From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #86 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Friday, March 3 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 086 Ashara has set up a "Wally Breese Memorial Fund," with all donations going directly into the upkeep of the JoniMitchell.com website. Wally kept the website going with his own funds, and it will now be up to Jim to continue. If you would like to donate to this fund, please make all checks payable to: Jim Johanson and send them to: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 USA ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage can be found at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni Mitchell Companion ["Alan Lorimer" ] Re: The Joni Mitchell Companion [Deb Messling ] JNC Something wrong? [catman ] Re: all joni, all the time [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni news [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni news [Wolfebite@aol.com] Re: Joni news [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Joni news [Brian Gross ] Re: Joni's pretty voice [Don Rowe ] Farewell To Wally ["David" ] joni and buckley ["Takats, Angela" ] Re: joni and buckley ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] SJC [Bounced Message ] Hello [Joseph Davis ] Re: BSN Broadcast! [Phyliss Ward ] Re: Hello [Phyliss Ward ] The Times Article - read it here [Les Irvin ] RE: The Times Article - read it here [Louis Lynch ] London Times article banned in Canada? [James Leahy ] Helen's Covers [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] London times cover etc:- ["Paul Headon" ] "Standard" edition of BSN - what does it look like? [Dmascall@aol.com] Re: Joni in the Times - more credit [Les Irvin ] Re: The Joni Mitchell Companion [David Wright ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:43:37 +1100 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell Companion My copy of the Joni Mitchell Companion has finally arrived :-) Getting books sent by 'surface' takes a long time if you live in Australia. (The book was ordered at the end of December last year). Apprecicated reading peoples reviews etc. :-) Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 06:44:29 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: The Joni Mitchell Companion >First of all, 4 of >the 10 songs are in first person. Second, this isn't the first time she's >used the narrative voice (anyone remember MARCIE, LADIES OF THE CANYON)? I >just don't see what the point is to bring this up. You make some excellent points about HOSL, Dax. I never understood the violent reaction some people had. I think maybe the real objection people had (not ME, certainly) was not the switch from first to third person, but the switch from personal/love topics to sociological topics. >Unfortunate for them, many people grow up >listening to a certain kind of music and then stick with that all through >their lives, causing them to put up blinders to new music. This is why our >parents don't like our music and their parents didn't like their music. And why we don't like our kids' music! Although MY niece likes Joni, and is learning to play some of her piano songs - the right way, by ear! >This isn't a hypothesis I just came to. In 1998 I went to see Joni Mitchell >at her concert in Atlanta. (It was great, we got to sing Happy Birthday to >her!). She was singing SONG FOR SHARON and this older guy from behind me >yelled out "Sing Some Old Stuff!" I was floored!!! I turned around and >looked at him in the eye (red from pot I'd say) and said, "Do you even know >Joni Mitchell! This is old and one of her finest at that!!" Okay, here's my theory about audience goofballs. Some people come to a Joni Mitchell concert thinking, she's a legend, she's from the sixties, she was playing in the background at parties where I got high, I must have liked her! (especially that song Brand New Key). When they get to the show, they don't recognize anything and grumble that she should be playing her "hits." Yeah, well what hits? For some of these audience bozos, even "Chelsea Morning" would be obscure. I once calculated the percentage of seventies songs that Joni played at a recent concert and it was substantial, but people still castigated her for playing all new stuff. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:29:41 +0000 From: catman Subject: JNC Something wrong? I sthere something wrong with the list? 3 mails only today and one referring to a mail I didn't get. - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:54:09 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: all joni, all the time <> Hi Ric! So good to hear from you, and glad you're enjoying your BSN...the car may be the best place to hear it because you can really surround yourself with the sound. And I agree that "Answer Me, My Love" is LOADED with emotion, but then again, she had to nail it because she was covering a song made famous by Nat King Cole! Talk about intimidating! I recently received a tape of Joni's 2/11 interview on CBC, and she says that you have to play it loud so that the orchestration can get under your ribs. All in all, the interview is a lot more positive than I was expecting, the interviewer asked some dumd questions and Joni answered them in a very blunt manner. But she laughs throughout the interview, so I didn't pick up on any hostility or anything... Anyway Ric, good to hear from you. I always think of you & your family when I hear "Happiness is the Best Spaceship" ;~D Bob NP: The Artist, "The Most Beautiful Girl in the World" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:02:49 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni news <> Thanks for the heads up on this, Randy! Can someone volunteer to get a good audio recording of it for a tree? I'll be glad to make copies but I don't have the right toys to get a good audio from the telly... Speaking of trees, I PROMISE to send out an update tonight on my CD Tree "Covers" Project for those who are interested... Bob NP: The Artist, "Dolphin" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 08:54:56 EST From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni news could this be part of the alledged tribute albumn?? i don't have TNT- i do hope that someone can tape it! doug ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 09:39:39 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni news Someone remind me about two days ahead of time and Ill tape it. marcel deste ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 06:50:06 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Joni news - --- Randy wrote: > The rear cover of the March 4 issue of Billboard has a > full page ad for BSN. snip > AND THIS: > [TNT Logo] Be sure to catch "An All Star Tribute to Joni > Mitchell" April 16th at 9 PM est/pst on TNT > !!!!!!!!!!!!! > If you are near a newstand, this is worth a look if not the > six bucks..... I'd be willing to bet that this is a tape of parts of Joni's Jazz (7/1/99) from that wonderful night in Central Park, with non-concert commentary by some better-known "All Stars" Later, Brian np: BSNLE (You're My Thrill) ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 07:35:52 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni's pretty voice - --- Relayer211@aol.com wrote: > but for some reason I love > high,pretty voices like early > Joni ... I think a great deal of this has to do with which entrance you used to get into the world of Joni Mitchell. Those who came in on the ground floor with STAS are usually most fond of the early, effortless soprano -- and have favorites lists quite similar to yours. Those who used the C&S doorway (if they hung around), appreciate the later, deeper voiced Joni material, but usually express a degree of longing for her soaring upper registers. It's only when you get to 'Hejira', and perhaps more so, S&L -- that you find the real devotees of the richer voiced Joni. If that's where she *imprinted* you, so to speak, that's the touchstone you'll use to gauge the rest of her catalog. Not from any quality standpoint, mind you, just from a preference angle. Then there are mutants like me ... lover of DED and CMIARS ... who have been there since the beginning (almost), and most love the way in which Joni uses her voice -- low, mid-register or high -- as a musical instrument. What a thing of beauty that has always been throughout her career. Always perfectly suited, as comfortable as skin covering the instrumental arrangements, needing only the smallest of spaces to project real power. That's why Joni's special to me. Don Rowe ===== "I want a stillness inside, and a quiet of mind, and to stop dreaming of the comfort of strangers." -- Julia Fordham __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 08:25:00 PST From: "David" Subject: Farewell To Wally Just thought everyone would like to know, who hasn't been to JM.com lately, that Jim has written a beautiful Post about the farewell to Wally. I would be happy to E-send a copy to those who do not have access to the web. Jim is also planning to write a post about Wally's years at JM.com which I'm sure we all look forward to. Yours David ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 05:00:43 +1100 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: joni and buckley Hi Listers... I haven't posted for awhile - I hope you are all well. I just wanted to say how excited I was to see Jeff Buckley pay tribute to joni on a video my friend lent me the other day. He taped it from a special on cable TV - and it was about the nothing short of amazing album - 'Grace'. In the beginning of this special - Buckley talks about his music influences - - listing the likes of Cohen and CSN&Y...and then he pauses and says "and Joni Mitchell...DEFINATELY Joni Mitchell" - YAY...I just smiled (and then pressed stop and rewind so I could hear him say it again - as u do!!!) (and my friend rolled his eyes and let out something along the lines of "oh ange, r u ever going to get over her" - "NEVER" - was of course my reply. In my other Joni news...I finally got myself a record player to listen to the pile of Joni records I have collected...HEAVEN...there's something so special out the crackle of a record player....mmmm And it was the first time I heard MOA - wish I was there...I love the way she does that duet thing with the electric guitar in 'U turn me on' - how devine is her voice! Bye all Ange Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:13:01 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: joni and buckley Many Jeff Buckley fand here on the list, Angela, especially myself and Bar-Bear-A. Grace is a superb achievement. I actually did go out and get the promotional video and tee shirt for that one. Jerry On Fri, 3 Mar 2000, Takats, Angela wrote: > Hi Listers... > I haven't posted for awhile - I hope you are all well. > I just wanted to say how excited I was to see Jeff Buckley pay tribute to > joni on a video my friend lent me the other day. He taped it from a special > on cable TV - and it was about the nothing short of amazing album - 'Grace'. > In the beginning of this special - Buckley talks about his music influences > - listing the likes of Cohen and CSN&Y...and then he pauses and says "and > Joni Mitchell...DEFINATELY Joni Mitchell" - YAY...I just smiled (and then > pressed stop and rewind so I could hear him say it again - as u do!!!) (and > my friend rolled his eyes and let out something along the lines of "oh ange, > r u ever going to get over her" - "NEVER" - was of course my reply. > > In my other Joni news...I finally got myself a record player to listen to > the pile of Joni records I have collected...HEAVEN...there's something so > special out the crackle of a record player....mmmm And it was the first time > I heard MOA - wish I was there...I love the way she does that duet thing > with the electric guitar in 'U turn me on' - how devine is her voice! > > Bye all > Ange > Sydney > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 13:23:51 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: list Stereophile, one of the few magazines I read cover to cover, has an interesting column this month in The Analog Corner. Michael Fremer writes about 100 in-print LP's worth owning- or giving. Prominent among the distinguished titles is C&S. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 12:04:16 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: SJC From: "Lindsay Daines" Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 23:10:05 +1100 Last night I had the privilege and pleasure to hear the Sydney Symphony Orchestra perform the composer John Adams's new symphony for the first time in Australia (Adams wrote the opera Nixon in China among other things - none of which I am familiar with). Adams himself was present at the concert in the Sydney Opera House (just had to throw that in) and introduced his work to the audience before it was performed. My companion and I gave each other a look when he refereed to the naive melody which is a feature of the first movement of the symphony as "like a Joni Mitchell or a Paul McCartney tune - its really that simple". Afterwards we both decided that he was not being uncomplimentary to either Mitchell or McCartney but on the other hand, wonderful as the movement (and the whole symphony) was, the naive tune had passed us both right by - leading us to hope that he didn't plan a career as a penner of pop songs. Also I suspected he didn't have a very up to date knowlege of JM's career . But hey, I'm just reporting it as I hear it. Nicholas ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 15:02:20 -0600 From: Joseph Davis Subject: Hello Hello, great posts lately! Was wondering if some of you could help me track down a couple of Joni items I would like get my hands on; First is the sheet music for "Amelia." I would like to teach myself to play this piano. Think I have some of the beginning figured out, just wanna see if I'm right! Second is her appearance on VH1's STORYTELLERS. What did she sing? Does anyone have a tape? Finaaly, is Joni responding to the posts? PLEASE email me, I'd love to read them! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:02:43 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: BSN Broadcast! It's starting NOW! leslie@torchsongs.com wrote: > Special note for those of you who may be interested > in hearing Both Sides Now > on your computers (and since you're reading this on > a computer, I'm guessing there may be a few of you > out there): Bradford Community Broadcasting in West > Yorkshire, England will be broadcasting a 78-minute > program devoted to the new CD. Host Karl Dallas tells > me that "in addition to including every track from > the new album in its entirety, the program also includes > 'Both Sides Now' and 'A Case of You' from the Miles > of Aisles album, plus comparative clips from Glenn > Miller, Billie Holiday and Buddy Greco of the songs > on BSN. > > The broadcast will take place on Thursday, March 2 > at 9 PM GMT (that's 1 PM PST, 4 PM EST if I'm not mistaken > -- somebody PLEASE e-mail me if I'm > wrong!); you can catch it on the Web by following the > link below if you have RealAudio installed on your > Web browser. There's a link on JoniMitchell.com you > can follow directly to get to the URL, which is > http://www.legend.co.uk/~bcb/bcb.ram. > > The program is likely to be archived so it can be heard > later. I'll let you know what the URL for the archive > is when it becomes available. > > Leslie Mixon - -- Phyliss Golden Fig Ceramics http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 13:19:36 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Hello Joseph Davis wrote: > Second is her appearance on VH1's STORYTELLERS. What did she sing? > Does anyone have a tape? To my knowledge, Joni never did the Storytellers gig. It was scheduled, but fell through. > Finaaly, is Joni responding to the posts? PLEASE email me, I'd love to > read them! Yeah, Me too! As in I Wish... Last I heard she doesn't even own a computer. We should chip in and get her a WebTV - internet for non-computer people. Hey - my 83 year old dad loves it!!! - -- Phyliss Golden Fig Ceramics http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 14:46:17 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: The Times Article - read it here Joniphiles - By popular demand, here's the hastily formatted Times article for all to read. Three people sent me the text at about the same time and should be commended for their work at transcribing: Philip from Ireland, Paul Castle, and ... someone else (I'll remember who and credit you too!). The pictures were sent by Paul. Thanks to you all! http://www.jmdl.com/articles/thetimes.htm Les NP - Equation ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 14:52:38 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: The Times Article - read it here Les and the team, Thank you for putting the Times article out there for us. Nice job. It's oh so lovely, from an ever so British point of view. Sort of like in Ab Fab, Darling, you know, like she's in the Times now, so we have to pay attention, don't we Sweetie? Wondering what the pound note would look like with Joni's face instead of Elizabeth II... (And probably starting a post on which portrait of Joni we would select for currency). Harper Lou PS -- Catman, I'm NOT an Anglophobe -- my entire family's from the British Isles! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:44:32 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello In a message dated 3/2/00 4:23:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, pward@lightspeed.net writes: << Last I heard she doesn't even own a computer. We should chip in and get her a WebTV >> watch this one, girl. i remember maybe two years ago someone started a thread about buying joni a computer and it got ugly quick, and the whole thing turned into a big smelly turd. but the idea is a nice one. pat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 17:56:43 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Times Article - read it here Wow, thanks Les and everybody else who pitched in and helped to bring this piece online and accessible to us. It was wonderful! Great photos, and I got kinda misty reading the part about her watching John Kelly's show and the audience's acknowledgement of her presence... Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Tango 'til They're Sore" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:13:51 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: RE Joni in the Times Les wrote:- >>I wonder if we could do the naughty thing and get it all scanned up and put on the Homepage. I'm waiting to get a copy from the 'Remember When' company and wouldn't mind preparing the images. This offer applies to anyone out there who may want to take a look off list. If heaps of you do want to take a look, bear with me, I will respond to all.<< Just to let you know, I posted off a copy of the Times article to Les Irvin on Monday which he is going to post on the JMDL site in due course. Regards Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 18:34:13 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Covers Project Update (LONG but all Joni) OK, here's the latest on my "Covers BoxSet" Project. I have rec'd submittals from Randy, Kakki, DJ, Stephen, & Raffaele. Still looking for packages from Helen (I know it's somewhere between NZ & here, Hell), Laura, John E., Joseph P., Philip (Did I forget anybody?) Anyway, here are the songs which have been submitted/mentioned and will be part of the collection: A Case of You - Nancy Wilson Laughing - David Crosby (Joni vocal) Both Sides Now - Nana Mouskori Blue - Paul Horn (Joni scat vocal) Urge For Going - Crosby & Nash Chelsea Morning - Paul Horn A Case of You - Brian Kennedy All I Want - Natalie Merchant Blue - Sarah McLachlan A Case of You - Tori Amos If I Could - Seal (duet w/Joni) Long Ago and Far Away - JT (duet w/Joni) For Free - Ethel Ennis For Free - Ethel Ennis For Free - Judy Collins Chelsea Morning - Judy Collins (1997) Both Sides Now - Judy Collins (1985) Dida - Joan Baez (duet w/Joni) Twisted - Lambert, Hendricks & Ross Centerpiece - Lambert, Hendricks & Ross My American Skirt/Fiddle & The Drum/Spoony's Wonderful Adventure - from Carnegie Hall, previously released as part of a Reprise Record Special. Sweet Bird - Lani Hall Similie - Jimmy Webb & Joni Urge For Going - George Hamilton IV For Free - The Byrds Woodstock - CSN (1994) Same Situation - Clive Gregson & Christine Collister Shades of Scarlett Conquering - Christine Collister This Flight Tonight - Ian Shaw Banquet - Lani Hall Woman of Heart & Mind - Minnie Ripperton I Don't Know Where I Stand - Barbra Streisand All I Want - The Supremes The Priest - Jesse Hultberg Love Poem - Tom Scott/LA Express (Joni vocal) Nordic Winds - LA Express (Joni vocal) Got til it's Gone - Janet Jackson (Joni sample) River - Travis Night In The City - Bridget St. John* Big Yellow Taxi - Maire Brennan* Urge For Going - The Johnsons* Woodstock - Tuck & Patti Urge For Going - Mary Black* River - Diane Reeves* River - Rosanne Cash* River - Indigo Girls* Both Sides Now - Diane Reeves* Twisted - Marlena Shaw* People's Parties - Kevyn Lettau* Both Sides Now - Sharon Cuneta* Help Me - Wynnona Judd* * indicates tunes that folks have mentioned to me, I just haven't received them yet. Philip, I lost the list of what you were sending...could you give me an update? Helen, I know you were sending the Jacqui Fitzgerald stuff, but could you give me a list again? And here are Joni covers that have previously been treed - THEY WILL NOT BE A PART OF THIS TREE: The Circle Game by Ian & Sylvia, Tom Rush, Buffy Saint-Marie, Song to a Seagull by Buffy Saint-Marie ANNIE LENNOX Ladies Of The Canyon CLAIRE MARTIN Be Cool PAT MARTINO Both Sides Now JOSHUA REDMAN Interlude / I Had A King PAT MARTINO Both Sides Now (w/Cassandra Wilson, vocal) DAVE DOUGLAS Roses Blue, My Old Man, The Same Situation Fairport Convention - Eastern Rain (1969) Fairport Convention - Marcie (1968) Fairport Convention - Chelsea Morning (1968) Fairport Convention - I Don't Know Where I stand (1968) Fairport Convention - Night In The City (1968) Fairport Convention - Woodstock (live/accapella, 1986) Tim Curry - Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire Caroline Lavelle - A Case of You Cleo Laine - Both Sides Now Cassandra Wilson - Black Crow Betty Buckley - River Betty Buckley - A Case of You Bonnie Raitt - That Song About the Midway Holly Cole - River Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - Woodstock Phoebe Snow - A Case of You Whew! This is gonna be really cool you guys! I'm assuming there's no one else out there who wants to contribute, but if there is, let me know! My plan is to have all the "master discs" done by the end of March and ready to make "tree" copies for whoever wants. I'm anxious to see how many JMDL'ers are going to want this set for their collections. Again, thanks to all who've contributed!! It's a lot of work, but also a lot of fun. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 19:27:30 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Joni in the UK times.... Hey gang, I just ordered the newspaper from that site Leslie menitoned. I don't know the diff between lbs and dollars so I hope 18 lbs is not a ton of money!! This is what they sent me... Catgirl (look below) ps thanks Leslie!!! Dear Debra, Unfortunately you have selected the U.K. delivery, not U.S.A. There is a cheaper option for the U.S. as you only require the magazine which has the article on Joni Mitchell the charge will be £3.00 for the magazine and £15.00 for delivery. Please confirm these charges are OK and we will process your order. Kind regards, Rupert Godden ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 16:53:24 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Joni in the UK times.... £18 would be $28 according to the currency conversion website I just looked at. That's alot of money! ====================================== Everybody here tonight must boogie And let me tell you, You are no exception to the rule - --A Taste of Honey, 1978 > From: CaTGirl627@aol.com > Reply-To: CaTGirl627@aol.com > Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 19:27:30 -0500 (EST) > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: Joni in the UK times.... > > Hey gang, > > I just ordered the newspaper from that site Leslie menitoned. I don't know > the diff between lbs and dollars so I hope 18 lbs is not a ton of money!! > This is what they sent me... > Catgirl (look below) > ps thanks Leslie!!! > Dear Debra, > > Unfortunately you have selected the U.K. delivery, not U.S.A. There is a > cheaper option for the U.S. as you only require the magazine which has the > article on Joni Mitchell the charge will be £3.00 for the magazine and > £15.00 for delivery. Please confirm these charges are OK and we will process > your order. > > Kind regards, > > Rupert Godden > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 20:09:23 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: London Times article banned in Canada? What's goin' on? I tried two different news stores AND the central reference library here in world-class Toronto--they all had the Feb. 26 Times, but none of them contained the magazine with the Joni article. Here's hoping the text will get posted here some time. Hint, hint! By the way, I saw the BSN LTE at Towers here for 92 dollars! Sam's and HMV had it for 69.99. Jim (Having finally figured out the chords for Don Juan's Reckless Daughter!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 20:19:38 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Helen's Covers Another update (but a shorty this time!) Here is what the lovely & charming Helen is sharing with the gang: Jacqui Fitzgerald - Dry Cleaner From Des Moines " - Be Cool " - God Must Be A Boogie Man When The Cat's Away - Big Yellow Taxi Very cool stuff! It's Joni around the world! :~) Bob NP: Steely Dan, "Hey Nineteen" (gotta tear myself away and go get that new one...) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2000 02:07:23 -0000 From: "Paul Headon" Subject: London times cover etc:- Hi All As a lurker I will like unlurk to thank whoever mentioned the Joni article in London Times-it was fabulous. Joni comes across as such a well rounded person. How great to see her as a "cover girl": at 56 she looked wonderful ! It was great to read of her optimism that she and Kilauren will sort out their problems. Now if only we could sort out ours... :-) Best wishes Paul Headon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2000 21:38:31 EST From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: "Standard" edition of BSN - what does it look like? Jerry Here's a quick run down of the appearance. Front Cover - "Joni at bar smoking with heart on sleeve" painting. In VERY small lettering on top right hand corner and all in white caps JONI MITCHELL BOTH SIDES NOW Insert - Inside Cover: Sleevenote by Larry Klein Page 1: Fragment of painting on page 4 at top of page - Lyrics to "You're my thrill" Page 2: Lyrics to "At Last" Page 3: Painting of Male in hat (left), Joni on right -both in profile engaged in..erm...affectionate tongue to tongue contact.Background of water, autumnal hills, sky with rainbow to right and dark clouds and sky at top. Page 4: Lyrics to "Comes love" Page 5: Painting of yellow roses in globular vase with candle on candlestick to right and framed picture of mustachioed male on left. Page 6: Lyrics to "You've changed" Page 7: Lyrics to "Answer me my love" at left. In top right hand quadrant of page is enlarged section of painting on page 5 - male in picture frame only. Pages 8 - 14: lyrics to "A case of you","Don't go to strangers","Sometimes I'm happy","Don't worry 'bout me","Stormy weather","I wish I were in love again","Both sides now" Page 15: Credits Page 16: Back view painting of Joni as portrayed on cover with bar shelves behinnd to left- red and white "No smoking" sign to right of top shelf of bar. Kissing/dancing couple in black and white to right of Joni's hand and head (on television?). Page 17: more credits Back cover of sleeve insert possibly continues the cover painting extended to the left of Joni: Wraiths of curling smoke against dark background. CD itself - zoom into cover image - includes Joni's lips, heart-on-sleeve and half-full glass of red wine JEwel case back insert (behind CD) - more wraiths of smoke Back of jewel case insert: slightly "panned out" version of page 16 illustration - but minus "No Smoking" sign and including track listing to bottom left And as for the music...... David Mascall PS apologies if this is a duplicate description of any parts of the "Special Edition" PPS - this must be the first standards album I've seen to include the lyrics in the package. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2000 17:15:06 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Joni in the Times - more credit At 3/2/2000 04:13 PM , Gertus@aol.com wrote: >Just to let you know, I posted off a copy of the Times article to Les Irvin >on Monday which he is going to post on the JMDL site in due course. Yes... Jacky was also one of two people who took the time and expense to send me a hard copy of the article. Thanks Jacky! Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 01:48:26 -0500 (EST) From: David Wright Subject: Re: The Joni Mitchell Companion Dax wrote: > I was very surprised at the reaction the media had to Joni since THE > HISSING OF SUMMER LAWNS. [snip] > I just can't believe all the remarks about Joni switching from first > person singular to the narrative. First of all, 4 of the 10 songs are in > first person. Second, this isn't the first time she's used the > narrative voice (anyone remember MARCIE, LADIES OF THE CANYON)? I > just don't see what the point is to bring this up. I think it's a very good point to bring up. HOSL's songs seem to me like little movies, or short stories. I think on HOSL she was trying to do something very different from her previous albums, and the way she uses perspective is a clue to it. I think it (the narrative/first person thing) *is* generally different on HOSL than before -- only one of _Blue_'s ten songs is not in first person, for instance, and even in her many previous third-person songs the scope is not as wide in certain ways as on HOSL (and of course much else had changed in her lyric-writing style since her early albums as well). I don't think that pointing out changes between her earlier work and her later work is necessarily a complaint. I think if you look at DJRD, too, the perspective becomes (I think) an especially important part of the work. It moves from the first person of "Talk to Me" and "Jericho" to the third person of "Otis and Marlena," "The Tenth World," and "Dreamland" (well, that's in first person, but has a definite third person "travelogue" quality) and back to the first person of "Off Night Backstreet" and "Silky Veils of Ardor." In between are first "Paprika Plains," and later the title track, which very strongly fuse the first and third person perspectives (personal and political perhaps we might say) in a large-scale way. The album has this arch form, musically and lyrically, and the perspective is a part of that. So I think it's a very important thing to point out. > > Mr. Meisel comes to his over-stated conclusions about HEJIRA by > comparing a line from one song with a line from another song even when > the songs are clearly about different topics. Well, in my opinion that's what critics ought to do -- trace subjects, themes, forms, and symbols/images from song to song, both within an album and between different albums (like when Meisel calls clouds "a cipher for all that is significant to Mitchell since 'Both Sides Now'"). I think _Hejira_'s songs are not about different topics at all. I mean, of course this song is about Furry and that song is about Amelia, but the way she responds to them and the part of herself that she ties them in to are the same -- they have this continuity -- that's why _Hejira_'s a great *album* and not just a random bunch of great songs. It has so many powerful recurring images and metaphors, such as flight and the road, as well as references to Joni's earlier songs -- blue (motel room), cactus tree, clouds, etc. > He even goes as far to say that Joni has always thought of herself as a > poet because she writes her lyrics in the sleeves of her albums! How > absurd is that? Not very, in my opinion. I guess I can see why it might be absurd to some people, but I think Meisel's point that by providing lyric sheets you invite your lyrics to be scrutinized on their own is a valid one. And he does draw a distinction between the printed lyrics and sung lyrics ("Joined with melody and the infinite nuance of her voice, Mitchell's words are something else again"), which I think is also a good point. > Basically, he's calling her self-important > and vain throughout the entire article... Well, I think in her interviews she pretty well demonstrates that she is those things. It's not necessarily a bad thing, at least as far as _Hejira_ goes. In fact, I don't think someone who wasn't at least a little self-important *could* create a _Hejira_ -- which has such a strong element of Joni turning her personal feelings into Profound Universal Truths and so forth, and very successfully. Since I think _Hejira_ is one of the greatest albums ever, I'm thankful for Joni's self-importance. I see where Meisel is coming from here. I think Meisel's article is glib at times, and I wish he offered more supporting evidence from Joni's lyrics for some of his statements (I think he could easily find it), and I don't agree with every conclusion he draws about the album (though I agree with many of the observations from which they're drawn). His review might be a little pretentious....but, well, _Hejira_ invites it. But I think he pinpoints a lot of the duality, on many levels, in Joni's work -- a part of what makes her work so rich. And I think his comments on "Furry Sings the Blues" and "Refuge of the Roads," in particular, are pretty much right on -- for example, about the way the melody blossoms on "Refuge"'s chorus....that chorus leapt out at me from the very first time I heard the album. The stuff about "flight" in the album is also very illuminating. And as I said recently, I think it's a great compliment to write a review such as his at all. It's very evident from his review that he had a strong, complicated response to the album and was sufficiently provoked by it to try to understand his feelings about it at some length. (At times, and I don't mean to indulge in psychologizing here, but it almost seems like he even wants to prove himself worthy of analyzing the album, like with that stuff about Joni's possible "latent anality" -- he seems kind of smitten with it and/or her. Of course I might be wrong.) That's the kind of response that makes me curious, that makes me want to buy an album. - --David ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #86 ******************************** ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?