From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #84 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, March 1 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 084 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Sometimes I'm Happy [pmeyer ] BSN and a New Conversion #123876 (SJC) ["Ross, Les" ] Re: Catgirl joins band SJC [FMYFL@aol.com] Joni in The Times ["Robertson, David C" ] FW: Joni in The Times ["Ross, Les" ] Re: The Pretenders & Chrissy Hynde ["cassy" ] London Times Magazine? [James Leahy ] Re: BSN / A Case Of You [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Catgirl joins band SJC [Louis Lynch ] Re: Catgirl joins band SJC [Don Rowe ] Re: Catgirl joins band JC [Susan McNamara ] More of a whimper than a bang [M.D.Quinn@shu.ac.uk (Mike QUINN\(CMS\))] CDNOW & BSN [Bounced Message ] Re: Catgirl joins band SJC ["Mark T. Domyancich" ] BSN in my hands... ["Alison Einerson" ] Saturday Times ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Scanning the Century [Gertus@aol.com] Re: Dawn Upshaw and Joni [FredNow@aol.com] BSN hits the UK ["Sue Cameron" ] Re: BSN hits the UK [Randy Remote ] Re: BSN / A Case Of You /1973 "Case of You" Cd Available [Scott and Jody ] Re: Catgirl joins band SJC [Scott and Jody ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:06:31 -0800 From: pmeyer Subject: Sometimes I'm Happy I was listening, for the 23rd time, to BSN on my headphones, and heard, or imagined, background voices on Sometimes I'm Happy. They are audible on headphones, on the right channel, about a minute and a half into the song. It sounds like something picked up from a guitar pickup. Does anybody else hear (or imagine they hear) this? Is this purposeful, if real? (CD Now finally came through and send a new unscratched CD and a new box. Delightful to hear A Case of You finally. ) Thanks. paul m (in Oregon) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 08:59:41 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: BSN and a New Conversion #123876 (SJC) On the weekend of Wally's rememberance I drove to my sister's new home in the north of England to help with decorating and fixing stuff. She has two teenage kids and to help smooth over their discontent at moving away from their friends I offered to strip and redecorate their rooms and fix them up. They're good kids and were grateful and appreciative. While I was there and painting the rooms I was playing a recording onto tape of BSN. Made the day go by rather well. I was returning to London in the car on the sunday night and found that I'd left the tape behind and this cheesed me off a little but what the hell, I could always make up another one. I returned to my sister's house the following weekend to hear her 14 year old son humming 'Sometimes I'm happy' while he slunked, in the way that only 14 year old boys can, on the computer. Called up to my 18 year old neice's bedroom she sat me on the bed and said, 'you've got to listen to this', whereupon she played back to me 'A Case of you' from the BSN tape I'd left behind. 'Listen to the words!' I was instructed. 'But Kirsty, this is my tape! I know all the words!' She wasn't listening to me she was focusing on the playback and scowling at me for interrupting the music. When it was done she went on about how right the lyrics were and how she completely got what the singer was trying to say etc etc. Rather than bang on about how important to me they were/are and detracting from the moment of connection she was so clearly experiencing I offered to make her up a tape compilation of other of JMs works and send it up. 'Oh Yes, that would be great!' Ahh to be discovering Joni Mitchell again for the first time. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:11:37 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Catgirl joins band SJC Catgirl writes: << Eric and I both are joining the band. He will play bass, guitar and sing and I will play guitar and sing. AND we will be doing some four part harmony. So all I can say is...you guessed it...Whoo-Hooo!! That's wonderful Catgirl! Congratulations to both You and Eric Now for the Joni Content......I plan on doing Big Yellow Taxi and Coyote BOTH in the correct tuning. I am also thinking of Freeman in Paris and Raised on Robbery. any other suggestions please feel free to share and if anyone can come up with a name for the band that would be cool too. We are currently called Thin Ice but things could change! >> I liked the way you sang "You Turn Me On" in the Jonifest boxset. As for the band name, Marian is right - Thin Ice is a good name for a band unless you want to call it The Whooo-Hooo's :-) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:18:27 -0000 From: "Robertson, David C" Subject: Joni in The Times I phoned up the Times to get a copy of the Saturday Joni issue. It will cost £6 GBP, which is a tad excessive. I went to the local library and read their copy. It is a fabulous article and worth having for the photographs of Joni posing in the Belle Air hotel. David Robertson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 12:40:12 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: FW: Joni in The Times I wonder if we could do the naughty thing and get it all scanned up and put on the Homepage. I'm waiting to get a copy from the 'Remember When' company and wouldn't mind preparing the images. This offer applies to anyone out there who may want to take a look off list. If heaps of you do want to take a look, bear with me, I will respond to all. Les (London) - -----Original Message----- From: Robertson, David C [mailto:RobertsonDC@logica.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 29, 2000 12:18 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Joni in The Times I phoned up the Times to get a copy of the Saturday Joni issue. It will cost £6 GBP, which is a tad excessive. I went to the local library and read their copy. It is a fabulous article and worth having for the photographs of Joni posing in the Belle Air hotel. David Robertson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 07:59:33 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: The Pretenders & Chrissy Hynde Could you please use NJC in the subject line when there is nothing in your mail that has anything to do with Joni? Thank you, it's appreciated. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:07:12 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: London Times Magazine? I checked out the newstands to find the London Times magazine article referred to on this list. The Sunday Times for Feb. 27 that I found included a magazine, but there was no mention of Joni. (I forget who was on the cover - some guys dressed in black I think.) I tried the Saturday Times as well, but it contained only a couple of entertainment (TV) guides. Can someone confirm the actual date of this magazine? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:21:58 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN / A Case Of You <> Jody, pray tell what is this version on? I don't think I've heard it...you have secret Joni and you don't tell your Pally? :~D Bob NP: Prince, "Le Grind" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 06:27:20 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Catgirl joins band SJC Catgirl, I like Jimmy's band name better. Definitely go with the Whooo-Hooo's! Now THAT is a band name to be reckoned with! In fact, "Catgirl and the Whooo-Hooo's" sounds even better! Congratulations and break a leg! Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 06:39:04 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Catgirl joins band SJC - --- CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: >I am also thinking of (doing) Freeman in Paris ... I always knew you were a 'rock chick'! And thanks for the heads up -- I had no idea Joni's song was about Morgan Freeman ... so what's the name of the band -- "Driving Miss Mitchell"? "Kiss the Jonis"? "The Mingus Redemption"? Inquiring minds want to know! ;-) Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 09:51:51 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Catgirl joins band JC CatGirl said: >I am also thinking of Freeman in Paris and Raised on >Robbery. any other suggestions please feel free to share Congratulations on joining the band! In my opinion, a rocking version of Black Crow will always bring the house down. But that's just my opinion! Try Mark's tab of it on the guitar page. www.jmdl.com/guitar/ Sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 15:52:38 +0000 From: M.D.Quinn@shu.ac.uk (Mike QUINN\(CMS\)) Subject: More of a whimper than a bang Date: Monday 28 Feb Place: Sheffield, UK BSN in the shops today...hooray! I can't wait to get my copy. Off to record store number 1. Huge Joni posters covering the windows, BSN playing full volume, A Case of You at the listening posts, hundreds of smoking Jonis staring from the new release shelves. BSN hits the UK with a bang! Yes I fantasise. The reality? I enter the store, barely glancing at the huge Oasis posters covering the windows, while their new album blasts out the speakers. No Joni posters on the wall, not even a teeny weeny lithograph to be seen. Its not that a lack of promotion is new for Joni's records but after all the great reviews... I'm an optimist you see. Heading for the new releases section, I push past two assistants as they finish some huge pyramid construction made from hundreds of Oasis CDs. It looks as if only one CD was released today, but wait I find a little bit of Air and one or two Eels have wriggled in. No Apple (F) and no Joni. No luck at the Recommended section either. I steer myself towards the Joni section (I could find it in the dark) to be confronted by her face staring back. But its the wrong Joni, she's not smoking and looks to be in her twenties with her head in the clouds. I never liked that shop anyway, so off I go to their competitor, record store number 2. New releases section: No luck Recommended section: No luck I arrive at the Joni section. Joni stares back but its the wrong one again. This Joni has an eighties perm and some wild horses behind. In record store number 3, I don't even bother looking at the new release or recommended sections. I home in on Joni's section and I am delighted to find a special division created for BSN. There's only one problem, there are no CDs. Fleetingly I think they've sold out but reality returns as quickly. Crestfallen I retreat for the day. Date: Tuesday 29 Feb Today I tackle the stores in reverse order( don't ask why!) Store 3 (Virgin Megastore) has no copies, says that none of its UK branches have copies, can't say when they will! Store 2 still has that special section for BSN, but still no copies! Can't be bothered to queue and ask. Store 1 (the one I never liked) Joni stares back from her section and it is the right one this time. She's smoking and I can clearly see that heart on her sleeve. It looks wonderful. There are two copies. So much for big sales! So I have my copy at last and the twist? I've promised not to play it until my birthday on Sunday (its a present you see). Roll on Sunday, I just hope the CD doesn't skip! Mike PS Hope there's more promotion for the US release! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 10:29:36 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: CDNOW & BSN From: mann@chicagonet.net Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 02:45:17 -0600 Vince, I had the same concerns and wrote CDNow about them................I didn't want to keep ordering over and over and paying shipping charges. I even asked them to open the box before they sent me another copy to make sure it was okay. I got great customer service help over there..........and got a response on Saturday night and a follow-up on Sunday night! ~~~~~See the letters below~~~~~~~~ They sent me a pre-addressed, postage paid label for my 'damaged' boxset and two days later I received another BSN box-set. Altho, the CD was scratched it played fine on the computer and our DVD player. The first one I got looked perfect (no scratches) just a dig or two..........but it 'skipped' almost the entire 5th song. Also, I got all 4 Lithographs this time.......the first BSN I only received 3 of them........no french kiss! I'm keeping this one. Anyways, CDnow was great about returning it........not used to getting such great customized and responsive customer service attention ......and they sent a replacement immediately .....as I still haven't sent the damaged one back yet. Laura **CDNOW's response below** Saturday night's response ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I received your email; however, before I can get back to you with a definite answer I am going to have to do some further investigating. I apologize that you will have to wait a little extra, but I assure you that I will have an answer soon. Thanks for your patience in this matter. I would be more than happy to send you a merchandise return label for the defective item, but would first like to collaborate with the warehouse regarding the condition of the in-stock copies of the item, MITCHELL*JONI, BOTH SIDES NOW. Laura, we understand that a safe shopping experience is vital to our customers; that is why we have a 30 day Unconditional Money-Back Guarantee, which I am including below: "We guarantee your satisfaction with all CDNOW merchandise. You may return any item within 30 days of delivery for a full refund of the purchase price (minus shipping and handling charges)." If you wish to return an item or an order for any reason, please visit our Contact CDNOW page to request detailed instructions and a Return Authorization number. To go to the Contact CDNOW page, click or copy/paste this link into your browser: http://www.cdnow.com/service For detailed information about returns, please visit our online Help Desk (http://www.cdnow.com/helpdesk). You will need to write your RA (Return Authorization Number) on the outside of the package you are sending back. Your RA number will be provided to you with detailed return instructions when you contact Customer Service. Please note that CDNOW merchandise is shipped from several different shipping centers. Merchandise that is returned to the wrong address will be shipped back to you. In most cases it takes about 3-4 weeks to process a domestic music return (import merchandise may take longer). If a CD jewel case or cassette case arrives cracked or damaged, we will be happy to mail you a replacement. Please visit our Contact CDNOW page (http://www.cdnow.com/service) for instructions. If an item in your order is damaged or defective and you need to request a replacement, you will not be charged any additional shipping or handling fees for replacement shipments. In your online Order History, located within My CDNOW, any item that has been processed as a return will be marked "Returned." This link will take you directly to your online Order History: http://www.cdnow.com/myorder I sincerely apologize for this inconvenience and thank you so much for your patience. Also Laura, please let me know if I can be of any further assistance to you on this matter or any other. Don't hesitate to contact us again if you have additional requests. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Sunday night's follow-up below ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Dear Laura, Thank you for contacting us. Please accept our apologies for the problem with your CDNOW order number ***. I am mailing you a merchandise return label to cover the return shipping charges. Please write your RA Number **** on the outside of the package. Feel free to use the same packaging in which your order was shipped. Also, please include a note in your return package explaining why you are returning your order. In the meantime, I have already processed the replacement for you. The new order number is ****. To check the status of your order online 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, simply go to "My CDNOW," login to your account (if you are not already logged in), and click the "Order History" link. Or, just click or copy/paste the following link into your Web browser: ******** If you have any specific questions regarding this matter, please feel free to email me at manager@cdnow.com or visit our online Help Desk: http://cdnow.com/helpdesk We regret any inconvenience this may have caused, and we hope you'll visit our online store again soon! Vince wrote: As for me, I just got confirmation today from cdnow that they will replace my second scratched cd... I wonder how many time we'll do this until I get an unscratched copy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 14:10:59 -0600 From: "Mark T. Domyancich" Subject: Re: Catgirl joins band SJC Great to hear, Deb! I haven't gotten the chance to hear you play, but I imagine you can play whatever you like. Good luck! (Break a string!!!) :-D At 1:03 AM -0500 2/29/00, CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: >Hey Gang, >I have been so busy lately. First going to CA and now joining a band. YES, >Me finally!! I am so happy someone pinch me!!! Eric and I both are joining >the band. He will play bass, guitar and sing and I will play guitar and >sing. AND we will be doing some four part harmony. So all I can say >is...you guessed it...Whoo-Hooo!! - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 13:33:10 -0700 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: BSN in my hands... well, finally after having it on order forever, i just got my BSN-LE (from CDNOW). i am extremely relieved and happy to report that although the cd was loose inside the case, there are a very few tiny scratches. currently on "you've changed" and no skips so far...crossing my fingers and holding my breath. oh man, is it beautiful. it really takes my breath away. i better get through an entire listen before i get going... ecstasy! alison e. in slc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 21:40:58 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Saturday Times Hello folks All of you that have requested info regarding the Joni I/V in the Saturday Times 26 Feb 2000, there is a company called 'Remember When' whic deals in back issues. It's probably rather expensive to do so (It cost me 3 pounds to do it locally, I don''t know what international would cost) but they do ship internationally and can be emailed which is: remember.when@virgin.net for information. I don't think they have a website. The pictures are good, and Joni looks beautiful and mature. It's an article about life over 50 so she does look over 50, not some airbrushed angel. Much Joni Jamie Zubairi ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 18:10:17 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Scanning the Century The UK Independent newspaper has a review of a book called Scanning the Century by Peter Forbes (Penguin books) accompanied by a lovely Joni photograph. It's an Anthology of the last 100 years seen through the eyes of poets including Lennon and McCartney, Bob Dylan and Joni Mitchell plus Owen, Auden, Larkin, Heaney and many more. Might be wrth a look Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 20:52:10 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Dawn Upshaw and Joni "jan glas" wrote: >I never >related Joni with the word 'composer', but Upshaw said it and i cant get it >away from Joni anymore. That's how I've always thought of Joni; to me, that was her greatest strength. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 22:20:41 -0500 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: BSN hits the UK Mike, Thanks for the story on your search for Joni. When I read it at first I thought that your fantasy of Joni posters and Joni blasting from the speakers was real. I enjoyed your fantasy right along with you. Tell us, does this CD contain any different pictures than the limited edition? Are all the song lyrics included? Sue ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 19:44:57 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: BSN hits the UK Sue Cameron wrote: > > Mike, > > Thanks for the story on your search for Joni. When I read it at first I > thought that your fantasy of Joni posters and Joni blasting from the > speakers was real. I enjoyed your fantasy right along with you. > > Tell us, does this CD contain any different pictures than the limited > edition? Are all the song lyrics included? > [and is it a HDCD?-RR] > Sue ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 23:44:18 -0600 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: BSN / A Case Of You /1973 "Case of You" Cd Available Bob wrote: > > Jody, pray tell what is this version on? I don't think I've heard it...you have secret Joni and > you don't tell your Pally? :~D > > Hey Pally, it's in the mail :-) My Chicago accent coming through. Hey, youse guys....I'd be more than happy to make a copy of this CD. It's one CD - Urge for Going is the title Tracks 1-4 - "The Song About The Midway" "The Gallery" "The Priest" "Carey" Recorded live in London - 1973 Tracks 5-10 - Recorded live in the US ( Well,that's a big help!) "Willie" "For Free" "Mr. Tambourine Man" ( p.s. I Love he way she blows a line here and improvs with DooDoDoDooDoDee Dee Dee... "A Case of You" "Both Sides Now" " Urge For Going" For anyone interested, send me your snail mail address. It's a chance for me to show off my new CD Burner skills. Thanks Bob and Les! jody ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2000 00:34:25 -0600 From: Scott and Jody Subject: Re: Catgirl joins band SJC Congratulations Catgirl!! As far as a band name, How about Catgirl and the Coyotes.....Ooooh! Just kidding! I like 'Thin Ice'. It makes the listener feel that there is an edge to your music. I like what Mark D. wrote - "Break a String" What he said, "Break a string" jody ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #84 ******************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?