From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #83 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, February 29 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 083 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Rex Reed and Mark Christian on Joni [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: Paprika Plains [w evans ] Re: Rex Reed and Mark Christian on Joni [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni Contibutes [Catherine McKay ] Dawn Upshaw and Joni [Bounced Message ] Sunday Times [Steve Dulson ] JMDL Hejira -- Remember this one? [Don Rowe ] Re: Sunday Times [Catherine McKay ] Dog Eat Dog... another parody [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] BSN on the BBC [Martin Giles ] VHI reruns Joni [Randy Remote ] Heart on my sleeve ["Sue Cameron" ] Fw: Satuday's, Feb. 26, 00 Joni Mitchell article ["gene mock" ] BSN / A Case Of You [Scott and Jody ] The Pretenders & Chrissy Hynde ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Sunday Times [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Catgirl joins band SJC [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Geffen article-Joni reference [Bounced Message ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 03:58:03 EST From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: Rex Reed and Mark Christian on Joni Saturday I was with my straight pal Matt at the Bar Marmont on the strip so he could check out all the boss foxes that hang there to drink Jack 'n' Ginger at nine bucks a glass when we decided to head to another part of town where we could drink more cheaply. Inside one of West Hollywood's lesser known gay bars with a Western motif (they used to sponsor my old softball team) was famous film critic Rex Reed with none other than Mark Christian, Rock Hudson's last lover who won a major windfall of millions of dollars when he sued the late Mr. Hudson's estate for putting him at risk of contracting HIV which he didn't get. What a world .... Anyway, I told Rex that I had read his review of BSN here on the JMDL, which if you didn't read it, was an out and out rave. I asked Rex if he had liked Joni's other music. He said he did not, that he didn't care for folk music or her voice. Well, of course I made some attempt at trying to explain that Joni may have come out of folk music and the venues where it was played, but that she was never really a folk singer and had been working with jazz musicians since 1974 and had alienated a lot of her fans when she made an out and jazz album in collaboration with Charles Mingus. "Peter, Paul and Mary, Woody Guthrie and the Weavers -- that's folk music," I said, "music that folks can sing along with (Other than the Circle Game, how many of Joni's "folk" songs could people sing along with? Let's see a couple of hundred people try and sing along with That Song About the Midway)." Mark Christian came to my defense and had some Joni knowledge and said that Joni was always a cut above the other folk singers. That's like saying champagne is a cut above Kool-Aid, but whatever. Anyway, Rex said he hadn't liked Joni's earlier voice or her kind of music, but now her voice was so smokey and beat-up she could capably sing these great standards of jazz. His least favorite cuts were A Case of You and Both Sides Now, which makes sense. Anyway, the interesting thing that Mark Christian said was that an album had been recorded by Joni, Joan Baez and Judy Collins that was never released because of squabbles between these artist's different record companies. I doubt the veracity of this very interesting piece of hearsay -- but just in case, I thought I would throw it out to our very thorough discographers and music historians to dispute or hopefully support this story because just maybe, someone has a bootleg copy of this Joni/Judy/Joan record. Afterwards, Rex and Mark and I all agreed that with the homogenization of the world, and this being a period in which we are at peace, with little agitation for social issues, and a long wave of prosperity, all of it results in a generally (and I mean GENERALLY!) uninteresting time for all the arts. I asked Rex if he ever felt like he just couldn't see another fucking movie and he said he was feeling that way right now. - - Clark NP - Mingus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 07:50:31 -0500 (EST) From: w evans Subject: Re: Paprika Plains Matt J, you mentioned that you've been focusing on DJRD recently... I'd like to ask you (or anyone else who's tried) have you ever been able to read the unspoken words in Paprika Plains to yourself and make it spaced right to fill up the amount of time where joni isn't singing and have it somehow fit with the music? Or is it perhaps not intended to serve that function? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:28:40 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Rex Reed and Mark Christian on Joni CarltonCT@aol.com wrote: > Anyway, the interesting thing that Mark Christian said was that an album had > been recorded by Joni, Joan Baez and Judy Collins that was never released > because of squabbles between these artist's different record companies. I > doubt the veracity of this very interesting piece of hearsay -- but just in > case, I thought I would throw it out to our very thorough discographers and > music historians to dispute or hopefully support this story because just > maybe, someone has a bootleg copy of this Joni/Judy/Joan record. He is probably mistaking it for Trio, with Emmy Lou, Linda, and Dolly. It was tied up for many years before it was released, and some of the songs appeared individually on their respective albums before being released on Trio. Jerry np: Judy Collins - Voices ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:43:18 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: BSN One of the things that occurred to me this weekend was how much easier it would/will be for Joni to "tour" doing her BSN songs. There is a huge network of Pops Concert venues in this country, with house "orchestras" and theaters. Since all she would have to move around is herself it may be something to which she well looks forward. That would be very good news for us. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:15:53 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Joni Contibutes RIKandBRAD writes: > First, sometimes in posts, I see words framed with > an *. It would look like > *this*. What does that mean? First, sorry if I'm repeating what someone else might already have responded to. I was just quickly scanning my posts for the last few days, not really paying a lot of attention, so I may have missed someone else's response to some of your questions. *asterisks* around a word act as a form of emphasis, kind of like bolding or italics or something else you might use to *stress* the word because in a plain-text format (I think that's what you call it) such as is used in these types of e-mails, you can't use *real* bolding or fancy type. > One of which was an artist by the name of Kyle > Eastwood - album was "From > There to Here." Produced by Klein, JM on vocals > with Diana King and Julia > Forham also on vocals. Anyone familiar with this > Eastwood guy? The CD > sounds kinda cool. The CD is indeed kinda cool. Kyle E. is Clint Eastwood's son. He's a bass player and Klein seems to have been his teacher. Catherine (in Trawna) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca (formerly cateri@hotmail.com) ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca (the former cateri@hotmail.com) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 09:46:11 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Dawn Upshaw and Joni From: "jan glas" Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:59:09 +0100 Dawn Upshaw was a guest in a musicprogram on Dutch television last sunday. She made a point about how inportant the music of Joni Mitchell has been and still is in her life. Plays her music at home, especially in the kitchen and takes her music always with her on her many travels, so she said. She called joni Mitchell 'a great composer'. Dont we like to hear this kind of talk! Then the lp 'the hissing of summer lawns' was taken out of the cover and put on the turntable, and and we could see Dawn beaming all over the place while listening to a bit of the theme song. I never related Joni with the word 'composer', but Upshaw said it and i cant get it away from Joni anymore. Jan Glas NP: Harry's House/centerpiece ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 08:56:08 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Sunday Times Gertus@aol.com wrote: >You have to get hold of a copy of the UK Times magazine for today, 26th Feb. Can any of you UK jmdlers get hold of a few extra copies of this? I would be happy to cover expenses to get one or two. Thanks! ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:13:38 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: JMDL Hejira -- Remember this one? Some of you may remember a time past, just as The Chieftans had released "Tears of Stone", when the list was locked in a very similar firestorm as the one we've seen recently. Eerily similar, so much so I thought I'd re-post the parody I did at that time -- how little things change. Don Rowe JMDL Hejira -- A Parody of Combined Threads by Don Rowe I'm writing to some mailing list I've got lots and lots to say On preferences and politics That shell shock love away What the scriptures mean in Washington What would the Talmud say When sins are not adultery Why it's so hard to be gay In discussion unmoderated So much can be expressed So I'm asking simple questions Why all things Joni are suppressed I read nothing of myself in anything Just at this moment of the world NJC roils like shots of mace Silencing my favorite girl You know it's not been easy lately Whether you do or you do not decide Whether to post or lurk in extremities Or stick to some "str8ter" line Now here's a man and a woman tapping on the keys Talking of whatever they please Listen... Strains of Joni Mitchell Coming thru' the tape and video trees I appreciate the fevor But you know I'm so glad to be on my own Still somehow the slightest mention of Joni Can set up trembling in my bones I know - no one's going agree with everything In all these undigested threads Letters worn off the DELETE key The echo ringing in my head Now I looked at the subject markers Pointing to some levity - to some brevity And then I looked at myself here Soapbox preaching in my rationality On the other bands and acts I love As if they don't have a list There's the hope and the hopelessness Of everything I've missed So now I'm hoping that the Chieftans Steer a different couse to run But how can I hope like that When there's so much wrong to be undone So I"m sending out this e-mail Waving truce against the moon Casting out for thoughts on Joni Instead of modern personal doom I'm writing to some mailing list I've got lots and lots to say On preferences and politics And maybe Joni one fine day ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 12:45:55 -0500 (EST) From: Catherine McKay Subject: Re: Sunday Times > Gertus@aol.com wrote: > > >You have to get hold of a copy of the UK Times > magazine for today, 26th Feb. - --- Steve Dulson wrote:> > Can any of you UK jmdlers get hold of a few extra > copies of this? ...or could you point us to a website where we could read the full review? Thanks. ===== Catherine (in Toronto) catrin_of_aragon@yahoo.ca (the former cateri@hotmail.com) _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 10:30:33 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Dog Eat Dog... another parody Maybe we can make this Joni parody day? ;~) Here's one I wrote last night to send to a list friend. Please forgive if it doesn't format right...don't know why it hasn't.....Penny Dog Eat Dog It's dog eat dog--I'm just checking in The sweet are in lurkdom And the easily offended pedal nasty combativeness and call it passion Dog eat dog Joni discussion in the hands of Etiquette disregarders and agenda ranters And defensive old-timers Dog eat dog On net time posts, the gentler quip Thoughtful, respectful content is all they ask And blasted for arrogant censorship Net--Time--Posts Joni discussion in the hands of Etiquette disregarders and agenda ranters And defensive old-timers Where the heart's displayed Proud and intelligent parade And what gets sent--the timid fear being taken Some are treated well In these games on the JMDL And some of these lovely souls A word won't be spoken It's dog eat dog, ain't it a shame man Dog eat dog, you can lie, cheat, flame, scam Exhalt your view anyway you can Dog eat dog You'll do well on this page of Etiquette disregarders and agenda ranters You could get to be A defensive old-timer List of Joni discussion List of springboarding to left field Joni content isn't savored Long enough To really understand In every community in decline The watchful ones among the fans Know all that is genuine will be Scorned, ignored or cast away Dog Eat Dog People looking, finding nothing Dog Eat Dog People reading, absorbing nothing Dog Eat Dog People posting, Joni threads not happening Dog Eat Dog People stroking, the malcontents Dog Eat Dog Immaturity Dog Eat Dog ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 18:19:10 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: BSN on the BBC Ken Bruce on radio 2 in the mornings is apparently playing a song from BSN every day this week. I can't tune in for him, so I'll have to wait til the weekend to hear it. Tick tock tick tock......... atb, Martin. In London. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 11:45:54 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: VHI reruns Joni In case you missed it, the segment of VH1's "100 greatest women of Rock n Roll" which features a few minutes of Joni will air Sun Mar 5 at 8PM EST. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 19:46:07 -0500 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: Heart on my sleeve I must be the most unobservant person on the planet. I'll admit that when the list started talking about the picture of Joni's heart on her sleeve I was thinking this little red heart, right? Funny thing is that Joni's picture with her facing me and wine glass in the foreground has been on my desktop since December. Two months of that heart looking smack dab at me. Yikes! Do we know when an offical announcement can be expected on the tour dates? Les? Happy Monday! Sue ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 17:31:10 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: Fw: Satuday's, Feb. 26, 00 Joni Mitchell article - ----- Original Message ----- From: Times Webmaster To: Sent: Monday, February 28, 2000 3:19 AM Subject: RE: Satuday's, Feb. 26, 00 Joni Mitchell article > Dear Gene Mock > > Thank you for the email and your interest in The Times. > For copyright reasons, and with our great regret, we are at > present unable to include the Saturday/Sunday Times Magazine on our > Internet services. > Please rest assured that this is a lack that we are making > every effort to > address. > Backdates are available for purchase, and a company called > Remember When provides this service on our behalf. > > As they do not have email, the best course is to contact > them on: > > Telephone: (00 44) 181 763 6363 > Facsimile: (00 44) 181 668 0380 > > They will be able to advise you as to whether the dates you > require are still available, and the cost of the newspapers > and > of the courier delivery service. > > Should you require any further information, please do not > hesitate to contact us. > > Regards > > Webmaster > The Times > > > ---------- > > From: gmock@psyber.com[SMTP:gmock@psyber.com] > > Sent: 26 February 2000 17:31 > > To: webmaster@the-times.co.uk > > Subject: Satuday's, Feb. 26, 00 Joni Mitchell article > > > > > > First name: gene last_name: mock UserCode: 999 > > Address: 8729 Angeli Lane > > City: Loomis > > PostCode: 95650 > > Country: USA > > Phone No.: 916 652 9150 > > Email Address: gmock@psyber.com > > This E-Mail is for : webmaster > > Web browser : Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 5.0; Windows 98; DigExt) > > > > Comments: Is it possible for you to e-mail me,gmock@psyber.com the > > multi-page story you did on Joni Mitchell on the 26th of Feb.? If not, is > > there a way I can view from your web site? Thank You gene > > > > > > -- > > State: Calif. > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 20:54:30 EST From: Seanapper@aol.com Subject: BSN arrived! Today I heard a knock at my door. I opened the door, and there on the porch was a box containing my BSN-LE! Yeehaw! I opened it up, and sure enough, it was scratched up. But I cleaned it and put it in the player. It sounded fine; no skips or pops. Actually, it didn't sound fine...it sounded gorgeous! What a treat! Neil in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:36:08 EST From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: BSN Ah! The divine Ms M - only four songs in and she's singing "You've changed - you don't love me anymore" - but you've seduced me again anyway - not with your mind (c/o HOSL) but with something different.... And as for that case you could drink, I think the bottle in question is a rich, blowsy grapey Muscat - which is just fine by me. Yours determinedly uncritically David Mascall (white, male, straight, british mongrel wine-fancier and metaphor-mixer) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:11:30 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: BSN David Mascall writes: > Ah! The divine Ms M - only four songs in and she's singing "You've changed - > you don't love me anymore" - I had wondered if anyone else noticed that... As for me, I just got confirmation today from cdnow that they will replace my second scratched cd... I wonder how many time we'll do this until I get an unscratched copy. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 22:49:22 -0600 From: Scott and Jody Subject: BSN / A Case Of You Hi All, I was listening to an old reditition of "a Case Of You" tonight. If it weren't for the melody, I would have barely recognized it ( lyrically speaking). Do you guys know this rendition(maybe a rough draft)....!?! 'Just before our ship got lost,I am as constant as a northern star. You silly as a northern fish says I ( No mention of a 'Blue T.V. Screen Light') "On A cartoon coaster pack, you didn't make me laugh at all" "I drew a map of Canada, and charged it all to..!?#?"......( I couldn't recognize this.) "I'm frightened and scared to death by angels " Pours out of me, Black and red design." A Case Of You has always been a favorite song of mine. When I heard this rendition, I listened to the "Blue Album" and then "BSN" WOW! This is obviously a song that means alot to Joni. She has been recreating it for decades. I'm in tears right now listening to her BSN. jody ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:09:35 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: The Pretenders & Chrissy Hynde Hi folks, I just want to weigh in with this recommendation: np: Chrissy Hynde's "Isle of View" CD which I bought at a pawn shop for about 1/5th of what a new CD would have cost. The sound is _extra-ordinary_ and the versions are flawless! My copy was originally bought from BMG music club. Recommended? You bet! "Never paint your masterpiece under artificial light." C. Hynde All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:38:16 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Sunday Times In a message dated 2/28/2000 11:58:21 AM Eastern Standard Time, steve@psitech.com writes: << Can any of you UK jmdlers get hold of a few extra copies of this? I would be happy to cover expenses to get one or two. Thanks! >> I wuold like to get one too. One can never have enough Joni. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 01:03:59 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Catgirl joins band SJC Hey Gang, I have been so busy lately. First going to CA and now joining a band. YES, Me finally!! I am so happy someone pinch me!!! Eric and I both are joining the band. He will play bass, guitar and sing and I will play guitar and sing. AND we will be doing some four part harmony. So all I can say is...you guessed it...Whoo-Hooo!! Now for the Joni Content......I plan on doing Big Yellow Taxi and Coyote BOTH in the correct tuning. I am also thinking of Freeman in Paris and Raised on Robbery. any other suggestions please feel free to share and if anyone can come up with a name for the band that would be cool too. We are currently called Thin Ice but things could change! With all this going on I will be lurking but will pop in from time to time. I love all you guys and thanks for all the confidence at the Joni Fest in Boston. It really helped give me the extra push I needed!! Hugs to all! A very happy Catgirl :o) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Feb 2000 00:10:23 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Geffen article-Joni reference From: "Steve" Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 21:27:46 -0600 Hello all! Someone gave me an article about an author who wrote a book about David Geffen. In a sidebar article, the author talks about some interesting Joni references-here it is: As far as I know, never once-even after that stormy conversation (with Geffen), did Mr. Geffen tell anyone not to talk to me. Nonetheless, I learned that many people are simply not ready or willing to talk about the experiences they had with David Geffen. The most dissappointing rejection came from singer Joni Mitchell, who memorialized him as her 'Free Man in Paris' and was for a time his platonic housemate. Mr. Geffen had said many disparaging things about her to me and worried aloud about whom I would believe in depicting their story. "If I didn't talk to her for the rest of my life, I wouldn't miss her for a minute," Mr. Geffen told me. After numerous unanswered letters and phone calls from me, Ms. Mitchell's manager finally phoned one day to say she would do a short telephone interview. The next day, he called back and said she had reconsidered. Joni Mitchell did not want to talk about David Geffen. The author is Tom King, and his book is called, "The Operator". There was also a characature diagram called the 6 Degrees of David Geffen- He set up a date for Warren Beatty with our Joni... ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #83 ******************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?