From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #80 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, February 26 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 080 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: worried about Joni's smoking ["Carver, Dax" ] Acronyms & Quoting [Steve Dulson ] Re: Joni on WWTBAM? again [Don Rowe ] Joni and HER music [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Joni's Memoirs [CaTGirl627@aol.com] re: Unsung Melodies ["David" ] Both Sides Now ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: worried about Joni's smoking [Randy Remote ] Re: Crosby [FredNow@aol.com] Re: worried about JM smoking ["Reuben Bell" ] Re: Hypothetical Joni Question [RIKandBRAD@aol.com] Re: CBC Interview/Grammy Night [FredNow@aol.com] Re: worried about Joni's smoking [catman ] Re: worried about Joni's smoking [catman ] Re: Crosby [Randy Remote ] Re: Returning BSN to CDNow [RIKandBRAD@aol.com] Re: Both Sides Now ["cassy" ] re: Crosby (VLJC) ["Ray & Cathy" ] Re: A Hypothetical Joni Question ["Helen M. Adcock" ] re: Crosby (VLJC) ["Ray & Cathy" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:40:21 -0500 From: "Carver, Dax" Subject: RE: worried about Joni's smoking Phyliss, it seems that you understood the intent of my original message. Like I said, I know it's hard and it's sad. > -----Original Message----- > From: Phyliss Ward [SMTP:pward@lightspeed.net] > Sent: Friday, February 25, 2000 11:11 AM > To: Carver, Dax > Cc: Louis Lynch; 'catman'; JoniList > Subject: Re: worried about Joni's smoking > > My husband has quit every drug from alcohol to heroin. He has been clean > and > sober for 15 years. He takes vitamins and believes in preventative > health. He > has tried to quit smoking numerous times (believe me, it is no fun for me > when > he does, I've endured loots of 'bad days') He has even been successful > for as > long as 6 months. He still smokes - coughs every morning - has given up, > like > Joni > > "Carver, Dax" wrote: > > > A lot of people start smoking from peer pressure (hence, the cool thing > to > > do) but do > > not continue for this reason. They continue because of addiction. > That's > > sad. > > -- > Phyliss > Golden Fig Ceramics > http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 11:05:24 -0600 From: "Mark T. Domyancich" Subject: Joni on WWTBAM? again Hey everyone, Last night on Who Wants To Be A Millionaire?, one of the questions was "Who was on the first cover of Rolling Stone (and then some date.)?" The choices were John Lennon, Janis Joplin, Joni and another J. The answer was John Lennon. Just thought I'd like to share! - -- Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:15:54 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Acronyms & Quoting Anne Sandstrom wrote: >SMR - Sending message repeatedly Hey, look, John Low and I apologised, OK? Geez... :) Let's add: RLQ - Ridiculously Long Quoting. Was it really necessary to post Harper Lou's very long essay on smoking, back to the list, TWICE ?!? ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 09:16:48 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni on WWTBAM? again I can't help but think there's a secret Joni fan on staff at "Millionaire" ... once could have been a coincidence, but twice in a month or so??? Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:25:09 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Joni and HER music Do you have any Joni on CD? Would you like to get them for FREE or pay out the wazoo for it?? And if you are paying for it is she making any money off of HER music or is some rip off artist getting all the dough. Unless you really don't care about Joni and her receiving money for her music that she wrote and that she performed stop wasting my time with your bandwidth... next subject please!!! Catgirl Tim wrote::::: Wow, a lurker here, all this arguing and name calling, good heavens. E-bay, copyright infringements, Lord...haven't we anything else better to do. My God we're sounding almost as bitter as Joni on Turbulent Indigo...geez. Lets leave the accusations for the experts and concentrate on our own lives. I think we can use a little introspection. I'm very turned off by having to read this petty crap and arguing. I'm glad some are still talking about the music and Joni. Whats happening to this page? Yuck. - - Tim V. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:41:11 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Memoirs In a message dated 2/25/2000 11:24:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, M.D.Quinn@shu.ac.uk writes: << I have just found the following two book descriptions on Amazon.co.uk 1) Autobiography Joni Mitchell Special Order Hardcover - (December 2000) 252 pages Synopsis This autobiography of Joni Mitchell covers both her personal and professional life. It details her poor upbringing, the joy of her first hit record, how she gave up her daughter for adoption when she was 21, her love affairs with people such as Neil Young, and the stories behind her song lyrics. 2) Memoir Joni Mitchell Not Yet Published Paperback - (31 December, 2000) >> YES I know abuot this book. I ordered it and they wrote me back saying it is not yet published and they had no idea when it would ever be done. so no book... :o( Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:05:53 PST From: "David" Subject: re: Unsung Melodies There was also an enviromental song I heard her her sing once.. It was Called Goodbye Blue Skies. I don't remember quite how it went, but I remember thinking it was quiteg good. But I agree a 4 cd compilation of these songs would be fantastic!!! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 11:02:38 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Both Sides Now Dear JMDL I finally received my copy of Both Sides Now (Ltd. Ed.) yesterday, and I've got one word to say. Wow! Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow!!! This is absolutely beautiful. The "hat-box" is wonderful, and the lithographs are going to be framed, probably together. And the CD? It was loose in the box, and there were a few small scratches. I played it through, and it skipped on about 3 words in "A Case Of You", so I carefully polished the back a little, and now it's perfect. Pretty good considering it's come half-way round the world from California to NZ! I'm VERY glad I spent the extra money on this package. It was worth every cent. Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 19:19:25 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: worried about Joni's smoking People who taught us it is cool to smoke: Bogie and Bacall John Wayne Marlena Dietrich The Beatles Joni Mitchell Rickie Lee Jones "and you know there may be more" > Nonsmokers complain about their precious second-hand air, stupidly adding guilt to everything else a smoker deals with I want to breathe clean air, which has nothing to do with making anyone else feel guilty. Your statement simply astounds me, Lou. RR ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:14:03 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Crosby Steve Dulson wrote: >"Ray & Cathy" write: >>My favorite >>cut is the first song "Music is Love"...not only was Joni's dulcimer >>playing enchanting, but the song was such a collaborrative thing, >Was that Joni or Laura Allen dulciming on that track? I'm not positive, but I think it was Laura Allen's dulcet tones. I'm pretty sure Joni just sings on the album. - -Fred - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 12:20:42 PST From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: worried about JM smoking But...on that note I could say that since I do not drive, I have the right not to breath the carbon monoxide that surrounds us that comes from car exhaust. There is a certain hostility that surrounds "no smoking" issues, even when the intentions are good. I smoke periodicallly, and would never smoke in a place of business, anyone else's home, or anywhere else that I thought might bother someone. I do not clip my toenails in the living room for the same reason. Smoking is a nasty habit, with negative effects on a body's health. So is overeating, binge drinking, and on and on and on. I think that most smokers are content (more or less) to smoke in designated areas. A lot of non-smokers, however, don't always seem to see this as reasonable. Empty...empty, try another... Reuben >From: "Carver, Dax" >As a non-smoker, I don't feel that my desire not to breathe second hand >smoke has ever been self-righteous or anything other than I don't smoke >and, >therefore, I believe I have the right not to have to breathe it in. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:13:29 EST From: RIKandBRAD@aol.com Subject: Re: Hypothetical Joni Question Penny Wrote: If Joni herself came on and said something to the effect of "Hi everyone! I wanted to thank you for your appreciation all these years. Really, it's meant so much to me. I'm open for questions if you would like and would it be OK for me to give my impressions on some of your threads also? Ya know, do you mind if I hang out here on occasion?" RickyRacer Responds: I have had the same thought, Penny. I think it would be totally cool and maybe a little freaky if that happened. It might demystify her in my eyes. If I were her, my curiosity would be killing me to know what others were saying about my creations, or the twists and turns my life has taken, or the reactions my interviews received. But, of one thing I am certain, JM and I live in two different realities (she's celebrated by millions, me by maybe a dozen) and to her such information may not be all that interesting or useful. I have heard tell that some famous people rerad nothing written about them. Maybe she even resents people like us talking about her? I wonder if she even has a computer. I am conjuring an image of her scrolling through our prolific messages with a full ashtray on the side of the keyboard and a cat atop the monitor. The sun is shining in through the tall windows Wally spoke of and she has Julia Fordham's Porcelin on the stereo. RickyRacer in Hollywood ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 17:20:57 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: CBC Interview/Grammy Night luvart@snet.net wrote: >I love Brahms 3rd Symphony (in F major) ..... especially the poco >allegretto movement! If anyone ever gets the chance, put this piece of >music on your DiscMan and go for a walk on the beach. Truly moving. >I have not heard this 'rip off'. I'm going to check it out :-) >Here's a question: If every inspiration were noted on every piece of art >(music, painting or otherwise) wouldn't that be a little over doing it? >And another: >Where is the line when it comes to directly plagiarizing music? I should have been more clear ... it's not based on Brahms' melody, it's not inspired by Brahms' melody, it *is* Brahms' melody exactly, note for note. The only difference is that the original Brahms is in 3/4 (waltz) meter, and Carlos' version is in 4/4 meter, with a bossa nova-type groove. It's really nice, but he didn't write it. That's where I draw the line. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:42:16 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: worried about Joni's smoking If it wasn't for people who smoke and 'pollute the air', people might actually bitch about the pollution from cars and planes and trains and..... funny how this is kept quiet. A far greater danger I would have thought. Thre meanest thing: my grandfather aged 86 was forced to quit smoking for 'his heart'. He died withing 8 weeks. Thanks for your post HL. Good points. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 20:46:58 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: worried about Joni's smoking Carver, Dax wrote: > As a non-smoker, I don't feel that my desire not to breathe second hand > smoke has ever been self-righteous or anything other than I don't smoke and, > therefore, I believe I have the right not to have to breathe it in. Despite > what smokers say about physical addiction (and believe me, I truly feel for > those that are physically addicted to anything) it doesn't make it right to > force others to breathe in their smoke-induced air. Thank You For Not > Smoking signs are polite. Owners of businesses that use this sign could ver > easily use less than polite signs. Personally I do not smoke around people who prefer me not to. i never smoke in others homes unless with their permission.Having said that, waht about your car or other forms of transport? Don't you worry about what you breathe in from them? Have you stopped using them? > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 19:09:05 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Crosby Steve Dulson wrote: > > "Ray & Cathy" write: > > >My favorite > >cut is the first song "Music is Love"...not only was Joni's dulcimer > >playing enchanting, but the song was such a collaborrative thing, > > Was that Joni or Laura Allen dulciming on that track? > Neither of them appear on this track. The only musicians are Crosby, G.Nash and Neil Young. The sound you hear is an acoustic with airy EQ. From the CSN boxset: Vocals David Crosby, Graham Nash, Neil Young Guitars: David Crosby, Neil Young Bass,vibes: Neil Young Congas:Graham Nash "Music Is Love" is Nash's and Neils' fault. I improvised the tune, we were foolong around, it was a jam, and when it was over I thought 'That's nice', but I didn't see it as too impressive. Then Nash and Neil stole the tape. They added congas, vibes, and harmonies, brought the tape back to me and said, "This is going on your album, don't give us any shit" They were very firm about it. I learned a long time ago it doesn't work to say no to Nash or Neil. -David Crosby ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 16:04:29 EST From: RIKandBRAD@aol.com Subject: Re: Returning BSN to CDNow Scott Price Wrote: I was hesitant to do this knowing it was a limited edition and also had not received the other copy (yet) that I ordered from Reprise...my fear was that I'd end up with *no* copies! :-( But CDNow sent a return authorization along with a sticker for the package BSN-LE to me, before I had a chance to send the old one back. I thought this was great customer service and am happy to report that my replacement LE plays perfectly. RikyRacer Adds: Same exact experience. Last night, I played BSNLE through the best speakers in my house(the living room set)with a glass of red wine and some smoke, a la Ms. JM, and have to say every rave everyone has reported is true, true, true. It was a magical experience. Can't wait to get home tonight! RikyRacer in Hollywood ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 01:06:02 -0500 From: "cassy" Subject: Re: Both Sides Now From: Helen M. Adcock >I finally received my copy of Both Sides Now (Ltd. Ed.) yesterday, and I've >got one word to say. >Wow! Wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow, wow!!! I'm so glad you finally got a playable copy Helen, I ended up going to the record store and having them open boxes until I found a good one and bought it... let them worry about the headaches of returning scratched discs. (BTW it took three boxes to find a good one) >the lithographs are going to be framed, probably together. Exactly my thought. Regarding the general release disc, I am still wondering whether it will have the same art on the actual disc as the L.E. ... I just got an advance copy from a friend of mine who knows how much I like Joni and the disc is all black with bronze writing on it... I'm curious as to whether this is how the majority of the discs will be printed? Anyone know? Cassy N.P. Elmore James "King of the Slide Guitar" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 10:34:12 -0800 From: "Ray & Cathy" Subject: re: Crosby (VLJC) In reference to "Music is Love" on Crosby's If I Could Only Remember My Name, Steve Dulson asks: Steve, that's a good question! I just always assumed it was Joni, and have never even heard of Laura Allen. Maybe Fred Simon knows the answer??? Peace to all, Cathy in Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2000 10:44:22 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: A Hypothetical Joni Question Penny asked: >My question is: Would she be embraced or would she shunned because she >would cause too much of a distraction from what the JMDL means to you? >(Or for shunned for some other reason(s)???) Personally, I would absolutely love it if Joni was to join the list. Think of all the questions that we could finally get answers to! But I think the number of NJC posts would diminish considerably! Hell _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 Feb 2000 22:28:08 -0800 From: "Ray & Cathy" Subject: re: Crosby (VLJC) As to whether it was Joni or Laura Allen playing dulcimer on "Music is Love", Randy Remote writes: Randy - thanks for finally setting us straight on this. I have no idea what an 'airy EQ' is......but it completely fooled me! It sounds EXACTLY like a dulcimer! Cathy in Oregon ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #80 ******************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?