From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #72 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, February 19 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 072 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: hejira ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Aging Pianists ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Observance Around the World ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: BSN promo CD?, skipping ["patrick leader" ] Re: Viagra, drones, Carol Bayer Sager, (md) - now VG-8 vs other instruments [Deb Messling ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #101 [Bounced Message ] Re: Less Interesting ??????(md) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: BSN promo CD?, skipping [Phyliss Ward ] Re: My Story and Intro ["Mark or Travis" ] BSN Arrival [Ginamu@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 00:33:51 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: hejira Mike wrote: > >If I'm remembering my middle eastern history right, the Hejira was the >journey of Mohammed from Mecca to Medina (or was it the other way around? >that course was in 1981!), but I take it to mean more generally a journey >or >quest. > Yes, that's right! The date of the Hejira (which is sometimes spelt hijrah, depending on which translation) marks the beginning of the muslim calendar. Muhammad's flight to Medina from Mecca after being chased by Infidels.(and that's nothing to do with Bob Dylan) A person who has gone on the hejira (a journey that every good Muslim should undertake to the Holy City of Mecca) is called a haji or a hajjah, if you're a female. So really Joni is called Hajjah Mitchell. :-)!!! Much Joni Jamie Zoob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:42:20 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Re: Aging Pianists Wow, I guess she was being both literal and figurative! I hope she'll be able to play keyboards for a long because Vladimir Horowitz was really really old and he still played. Look at the old guys at the Preservation Hall in New Orleans! OLD!! I think the only thing to degrade Joni's keyboard playing would be those damned paintbrushes in her hands! :) Hipster Catherine McKay asked: Can she still play the piano, or has she lost some mobility in her fingers? When she sings "I went so numb on Christmas Day, i couldn't feel my hands or feet", is that an emotional state, or is some of it literal and figurative? All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:57:20 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Observance Around the World Wally's ashes will be scattered at Noon-- Pacific Time which corresponds to: 10 AM -- Hawaii 1 PM -- Mountain Time 2 PM -- Central Time, Saskatchewan 3 PM -- Eastern Time, New York & Cincinnati 8 PM -- GMT Greenwich, England 9 PM -- Vienna 6 AM -- Sunday in Melbourne Next up, multiplication tables! All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu near Cincinnati ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 21:06:37 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: BSN promo CD?, skipping Not the light marks >from normal use. It's simply not very likely that so much skipping would >'concentrate' on BSN, even if the CD's are slightly scratched from being >loose in the packaging. > >--jussi Actually, most people have complained about the scratching on 'a case of you', and i think if you and your dj friend looked at a scratched cd you'd understand why. you wrote >Scratches can cause jumping, especially if they are parallel to the grooves> and that's what happened to most of these. the actual space for the cd is a very flat cylinder, about 1/2 inches deep and 6 inches across. the 'lithos' and the lyric sheets (mine arrived shrink-wrapped and in perfect condition) would help keep a loose cd very close to the well it was supposed to be in. there are only two features in the box that could inflict scratching. the rim around the well is so long, i can't imagine it doing too much damage. the central point, which was supposed to hold the cd in and didn't, is probably what did the damage. my cd looks very scratched but only 'a case of you' skips. and while there are scratches all over, there are very distinctive, circular scratches only at one point, about halfway through the album. it seems clear that in a jostled package, the worst damage was done when the cd was thrown against the rim. the other part of the cd was thrown against the protrusion, and the worst scratches happened at almost the exact same point every time. almost certainly right in the middle of 'a case of you'. for people with more scratched cds, imagine how much the cd would be bashed against those protrusions in a bumpy truck ride. these cds had to put up with more than cds can take. by the way, i own several hundred cds and almost none of them skip. i'm insanely careful with them. you wrote >it's almost always the flawless-looking discs that skip.> and i have to say that this is the opposite of my experience. the few i have that skip always have obvious visual reasons why. i have never experienced 'flawless-looking disc' that skipped. anyway, i'm going to call the reprise number and see if i can send them proof of purchase and avoid sending the damaged cd back. i think that slice of the painting is just beautiful, and with a replacement cd for the set i think i'd put the scratched one in a frame or something. patrick np - audra mcdonald - the man that got away ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:30:41 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Viagra, drones, Carol Bayer Sager, (md) - now VG-8 vs other instruments Catherine asked: At 05:55 PM 2/18/00 GMT, you wrote: >> When she >sings "I went so numb on Christmas Day, i couldn't feel my hands or feet", >is that an emotional state, or is some of it literal and figurative? I've always assumed it was *absolutely* literal. I know someone with MS who suffers from numbness in the extremities. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 22:35:52 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: RE: BSN promo CD?, skipping I think this has been asked already, but does anybody know if the *unlimited* edition of this CD will have the artwork on it? If not, I'm with Patrick, I'll keep my scratches. Maybe. At 09:06 PM 2/18/00 -0500, you wrote: >anyway, i'm going to call the reprise number and see if i can send them >proof of purchase and avoid sending the damaged cd back. i think that slice >of the painting is just beautiful, and with a replacement cd for the set i >think i'd put the scratched one in a frame or something. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 20:41:21 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #101 Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 18:17:33 -0600 From: Lisa Nebenzahl I have recently joined and now must remove myself from this "discussion" list. Where are the discussions. It's been more like "diss' cussions...superficial banter, mean spirited jabbering and generally too many people with too little to say (in my opinion). What a waste of talent and time. Try spending it doing something meaningful for your community, your families or yourselves. Joni (and wally, whom we own a debt to) would appreciate it. L. nebenzahl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:47:50 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Less Interesting ??????(md) > > I cant believe that David Lahm doesnt think that Turbulent Indigo is "less > interesting" than her pre-Hejira music. Same with some of the stuff on Taming > the Tiger. Not all but some. Hejira is a great album but I dont light incense > to it. Its certainly not the end of her creative evolution. Thank you, Marcel! Mark the Heretic ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 19:58:20 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: BSN promo CD?, skipping Deb Messling wrote: > I think this has been asked already, but does anybody know if the > *unlimited* edition of this CD will have the artwork on it? I saw the prototype at LACE. The front and back paintings of Joni at the bar make up the front and back of the CD case. I don't know what will be inside (that was not done yet) but I would make the educated assumption that the 'flowers' and 'french kiss' will be in there too... > -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2000 20:09:21 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: My Story and Intro Too many hip, > gay guys my age only want throbbing techno beats and roll their eyes when I > say I love Joni ... in a condescending way to let me know that they feel she > is "irrelevant" in a world dominated by beats and not lyrics. > > Joni keeps me grounded, she keeps me bonded to the mystical world, the hippie > world (she still has a wonderful earthy streak in her ... much appreciated) > as well as to my inner world of emotions and feelings and sorrow. (She makes > it okay to grieve.) This may sound really odd, especially coming from such a > youngster like me, but there is just something about her. Hi Ed! Welcome aboard! As a gay male who first started getting into Joni way back when disco was just beginning I understand this completely. I also remember thinking when I first started listening to her, 'How does she know how I feel???' 'Court & Spark' was my first Joni album and it totally blew me away. Then when I heard 'Woman of Heart & Mind', 'Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire', 'A Case of You' and 'Blue' on Miles of Aisles I was a complete convert. I knew I had found something extraordinary. A lot of people didn't understand my obsession and I too experienced that condescension from other gay men who only wanted to hear dance, dance, dance music. But like you I tend to be very bullheaded about what I like & don't like. Joni has rewarded me over & over again for my fidelity to her. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 01:21:55 EST From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: BSN Arrival I received yesterday a FedX package containing a copy of BSN, from a friend who located it at his local record store (and another one on the way from CDNow, which I will be returning). I am pleased with the condition, overall. Not a scratch or skip. The lithos and lyric cards were bound in plastic and were also in good shape. Like Laura, the outside rim of the box had its paper peeling off in one place. There were two small globs of glue on the outside cover. The packaging could have been so much nicer! A little satin pocket on the box's top to slip the lithos and lyric cards into would have been a good idea. I've played it twice now and it's...mmmm...nice. I like A Case Of You and once again, one can tell that Joni truly loves the song Comes Love. Not sure about the other songs yet. I don't think the new version of BSN is anything to rave about, though I never really loved that song to begin with. I hope she drops the idea of doing a whole album of her old songs with orchestral arrangements. There is nothing like new, original Joni! (IMO) It's hard to say just yet but I doubt this is a CD that I'll be pulling out too awful much. Ensconced in its cumbersome packaging, it will be even less likely. The lithos are...mmmm....nice. Is there perhaps something in the way they were produced that diminishes their quality? The art work on TI seems much nicer. I don't care for the colors in the BSN paintings. The one of Joni tongue-kissing with Don Freed looks like a overexposed photo. It's awful, really. And I hear Joni's getting all riled up at interviewers again. Good grief! (goodbye Charles Schultz). Man...I'm like...10 digests behind... 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