From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #45 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, February 3 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 045 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: WTRF/Richie/Henley [MGVal@aol.com] Re: WTRF/Richie/Henley [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Covers That Resonate With The Music/DJRD [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] going off-list.... [Kleronomos@aol.com] Re: Biography ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Joni in standard tuning, Harlem in Havana [Howard Wright ] Re: Biography [Jerry Notaro ] Hejira vs DJRD [Julian51469@aol.com] Re: Biography [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Bio_Feedback Joni Mitchell ["Catherine McKay" ] S/he's Come Undone [Julian51469@aol.com] Re: Joni photos [Susan McNamara ] Re: Hejira vs DJRD [Don Rowe ] Re: Biography ["Bill Dollinger" ] Re: Bio_Feedback Joni Mitchell [Susan McNamara ] Re: Hejira vs DJRD (got an error message, sorry if re-post) [Don Rowe ] Re: S/he's Come Undone [michael w yarbrough ] Re: Hejira vs DJRD ["Mark T. Domyancich" ] Re: Hejira vs DJRD [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: S/he's Come Undone ["Catherine McKay" ] Rockgirl Magazine Votes in Joni (plus freebies) [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: Biography [Don Rowe ] Re: vicious lists [Mike Friedman ] BSN for $30 ["Alan Lorimer" ] Re: Rockgirl Magazine votes in Joni SJC ["Alan Lorimer" ] Re: Biography [catman ] Juno Award Nominees [Steve Dulson ] Joni Mention on "Who Wants to be a Millionaire?" [WirlyPearl@aol.com] [none] [Walter R Rodgers III ] (no subject) [dave fairall / beth miller ] Re: HOSL [CaTGirl627@aol.com] thoughts on Alternate Blue [CarltonCT@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 06:17:28 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: WTRF/Richie/Henley In a message dated 2/1/00 8:39:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, ekg200@is5.nyu.edu writes: << so many people have written with eloquence about why WTRF is a good listen, so i'm going to keep spinning it... but so far, the many many many references to "love" are just irking me. seems way too pat for this person i've known as such a brilliant poet. >> I love WTRF and it was still nice to read other opinions on thoughts on the album, so thanks for the thread prompt Emily! I can see your point about the "many many references to "love." It can seem banal and pat, but after getting to my 40's, I've found my philosophical base shift from "Life is weird and I can't figure it out" to "life is short and love is precious." I know that I'm no brilliant poet, (although I'd accept nominations for brilliant kitchen floor washer), but if you work for me, are adopted by me or are one of my friends, you'll be sure to hear me slip in many references to "love," or "unconditional love" in my pontifications. I firmly believe that "love" is the base of being a reliable friend and a terrific parent. Given the opportunity, I can also stretch the dogma to fit being a good accountant and successful supervisor. Joni's references to "love" on WTRF are, to me, almost an equivalent of a kid getting a new x, y or z and being so thrilled that the only exclamation that can be uttered is "isn't this neat? I love it!" over and over again. While the phrase may be pat, the emotion and joy is always eloquent and a treasure to be honored. For me, it's a nice change to hear this woman, who often seems to have been beaten by unfulfilled expectations of love, ("Lesson in Survival" and "Willie" are two that come to mind), to hear this collection of love songs that go beyond that weary resignation of "Amelia." Within this too, she's no dummy as witnessed by the title song: "WTRF." I think it is a companion/contrasting piece to her adaptation of Corinthians, "Love." For me, WTRF is often a song about two people falling in love, but suspicious of it. She thinks that he needs to be tamed, he thinks he is seeing a trap. That dovetails so nicely with the latter song and the lines: "and began to see, through a glass darkly." and "whereas a child, I saw it face to face, now I only know it in parts." Doesn't it seem that if the people in WTRF could embrace, "Love sees as a child sees," they would spend more time being good to and for each other and less time running away from/trying to trap each other? I could go on and on about this album, I love it! MG np: tail end of insomnia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 07:37:47 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: WTRF/Richie/Henley In a message dated 2/2/00 5:19:31 AM US Central Standard Time, MGVal@aol.com writes: << For me, WTRF is often a song about two people falling in love, but suspicious of it. She thinks that he needs to be tamed, he thinks he is seeing a trap. That dovetails so nicely with the latter song and the lines: "and began to see, through a glass darkly." and "whereas a child, I saw it face to face, now I only know it in parts." >> And the "glass", in most of the Biblical translations I've read, is a mirror, which is saying to me that as love grows we see/care about ourselves less and transition from looking at ourselves only and loving face to face with others... I've always loved WTRF, never disliked any song on it...at that time there were three records I listened to a lot. "Thriller" to pick me up, Willie Nelson's "Stardust" to relax me, and WTRF to just carry on day to day... Bob NP: Macy Gray, "I Can't Wait to Meetchu" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 07:44:53 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Covers That Resonate With The Music/DJRD In a message dated 2/1/00 9:24:40 PM US Central Standard Time, jlamadoo@one.net writes: << I know that lots of JMDLers love Hejira, and I do too but I have always viewed Hejira as a _sequel_ to her masterwork. [ D o n n i n g Flame Suit!!! Retreating from the wrath of the Hejira choir.] >> Maybe the word you're looking for is "warmup" or even "prequel"...Hejira couldn't have been a sequel if it came before, right? But your point is well taken - she certainly took the "sound" of Hejira and pushed the envelope on DJRD. I actually look at the two records sometime as a 3-record set... And while we're talking about the cover...question here for the visual artists. I think (aided by the wonderful commentary of the JM Companion) the theme of DJRD is Duality itself, the Eagle vs. the Serpent thing. The colors on the cover, the blue and the rust, are they considered opposite colors? I mean from a color spectrum standpoint, would the simple contrast of those two colors represent the duality of the record? Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 08:26:27 EST From: Kleronomos@aol.com Subject: going off-list.... Greetings, Joniphiles! I'm going off-list for a while, to focus on needful things. But feel free to drop me a line with news or to continue any private conversations. with love Dan NP (now praying)... for Wally.... we will keep you in our prayers, sir! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 14:28:08 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Biography Vince suggest that >for those you are planning to flood A&E for a Joni hour on >Biography, you might want to suggest a theme, too, that includes Joni >such as Influential Canadian Musicians, Great Female Recording Artists, >Rock & Roll Hall of Fame members, etc. > >If we are going to pitch a program to them, I think we have to pitch the >complete package or they will never figure it out for themselves. Oops. Too late. I already fired off my email to them. (We get A&E here in Canada, in case anyone is wondering...) I have to wonder - they're doing one on Farrah Fawcett (!?!) I can actually understand Dick van Dyke, but Farrah Fawcett??? Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 14:31:53 +0000 (GMT) From: Howard Wright Subject: Re: Joni in standard tuning, Harlem in Havana >I had always hear Joni say that "Urge For Going" was her only song >in Standard tuning. This morning I read in the Companion that Tin >Angel & Harlem in Havana are also in standard...is that so? Yes - all three use standard guitar tuning: EADGBE I've heard her say that Harlem in Havana was her 2nd song in standard, when it's actually the 3rd. I think the reason HIH is in standard is that, when Joni first got the Roland VG8 it could only offer a wide palette of timbres in standard tuning. Joni was very keen to get brass, string, flute sounds etc coming from her guitar - initially, this forced her back in to using standrad tuning for HIH. But what a result eh?!!! Mark wrote (about HIH): >Has anybody else >noticed the mistakes in the tab for it in the TTT book? They have a >shape as 0 13 13 12 0 0, which should have been 0 14 14 13 0 0 (It's >just an E shape played an ocatve higher-sweet sounding chord though!) Do you mean the chord shape is wrong? -i.e the grid with the dots that's printed above the music. Since it was me that wrote the few TAB examples at the back, I hope it's not the TAB that is wrong! Anyhow, I definitely didn't use this shape in the TAB I sent, so it must be the chord shape that's wrong. I didn't spot this one anyway ... Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 14:41:50 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? >Catherine asks of Don't Interupt The Sorrow: >What the heck IS that line she says? It's printed on the liner as >"your >notches, liberation doll". Is that what she's saying and if >so, what the >heck does it mean? Eric responded: >I always thought she was singing *you're not just liberation doll*! Actually, that's what I thought she was saying too, but that's not what the liner notes say (and hey, aren't they always right? ;) >*Notches* brings to mind bedposts.... I was thinking along those lines. If that IS what she's saying, it makes me think of gunfighters who would put another mark or notch on their gun for everyone they had killed, or WWII bombers putting marks on the sides of their planes for every bombing run they had done. Like, maybe Joni has won this round, but maybe the next time, she won't be so lucky (?) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 09:44:31 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: WTRF/Richie/Henley In a message dated 2/2/00 6:29:53 AM Eastern Standard Time, MGVal@aol.com writes: << but after getting to my 40's, I've found my philosophical base shift from "Life is weird and I can't figure it out" to "life is short and love is precious." >> i thought this entire post was very nice. i especially loved this line. i go to school at night. part of the course work involves presenting a spiritual autobiography. a woman stood up to present her autobiography and she took out of a paper bag with some props. a card with writing on it, and a baby's rattle. her story was one we all have heard. her first marriage ended in 20 months. the guy drank. hit her. she left. she had a miscarriage with him. some years later, she remarried. this marriage has held. her second pregnancy was still born. that child she only knew by the heart beat of the fetal monitor. they delivered the baby and the doctors knew it would be still, and they told her. but it lived for a few minutes and died in her arms. the baby rattle was from the hospital nursery and it was a heart shape. and she has kept it all this time. a few years later, she had a child who is healthy. and now she is adopting a second. the card had corinthians 13 on it, and she said it was the only thing that gave her the courage to try and have another child. the woman is canadian and she married a coast guard officer who brought her to the states. i immediately went out to my car and brought in wtrf and gave it to her. and she started to cry when she read it. i told her to keep it. this was last week. i agree with you about joni here. though she loves like a child, i don't think there is anything childlike about wtrf. and thanks for your post.pat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 09:57:03 -0500 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: Biography I agree. Or even worse, they could put her into a 60's folk singing chicks week with Joan Baez, Judy Collins, Melanie and Mary Travers. No disrespect intended to those fine women, but I shudder to think! How about a week of Biography on the theme of Female painter poet dulcimer/piano/guitar-playing Canadian singers who have worked with Mingus? As far as I can see that just leaves Joni and Celine Dion. Bill > A&E usually does biographries in units of weeks, such as "Famous > Criminals" or "Famous Britsih actors" or "Hall of Fame Baseball > Players" so for those you are planning to flood A&E for a Joni hour on > Biography, you might want to suggest a theme, too, that includes Joni > such as Influential Canadian Musicians, Great Female Recording Artists, > Rock & Roll Hall of Fame members, etc. > > If we are going to pitch a program to them, I think we have to pitch the > complete package or they will never figure it out for themselves. > > (the Rev) Vince > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 09:56:35 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Biography Also would like to add that there are tons of copyright issues involved with doing one of these. We all know how "tight" Joni is with her catalog (and rightly so). It may well be that she already been approached by them in the past. The same thing came up years back on the ILoveLucy list. After a year in production, Biography finally aired a 2-hour version, but was only authorized to show it once. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:09:45 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Hejira vs DJRD In a message dated 2/2/00 3:05:03 AM Eastern Standard Time, Jim L'Hommedieu writes: << Yes, the desert colors fits the primal sounds within. I love Don Juan's Reckless Daughter for the literary stories and the Pink- Floyd-like Paprika Plains, complete with the dramatically louder ending when the band plugs in again. I know that lots of JMDLers love Hejira, and I do too but I have always viewed Hejira as a _sequel_ to her masterwork. [ D o n n i n g Flame Suit!!! Retreating from the wrath of the Hejira choir.] >> How do we not know that DJRD was the prequel to Hejira? Was she just warming up? Or perhaps they are a tripple album that some record company executive shot down...ie "Coyote" and "DJRD" as a single performance as in 2/16/76 at the Spectrum? Where are those demo tapes?... Take care, Julian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 10:10:13 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Biography Bill Dollinger wrote: > I agree. Or even worse, they could put her into a > 60's folk singing chicks week with Joan Baez, > Judy Collins, Melanie and Mary Travers. > No disrespect intended to those fine women, > but I shudder to think! Well I happen to think that would be mighty fine company in which to be included. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 15:19:33 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Bio_Feedback Joni Mitchell Here's the post I sent to A&E yesterday, along with their reply: Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com >From: Viewer Relations >To: cateri@hotmail.com >Subject: Re: Bio_Feedback Joni Mitchell >Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 09:30:53 -0500 > >At 01:34 PM 2/1/00 -0500, you wrote: > >User Name: > >::: > >User Comments: > >I would really like to see you do a biography on Joni Mitchell. Not only >is she a wonderful songwriter and musician, but she is a visual artist >(painter) as well. Even for people who are not fans of her music, her life >story is a fascinating one and I know she would have many stories to tell. >I urge you to visit the Joni Mitchell discussion list website - >www.jmdl.com - as well as the Joni Mitchell website - www.jonimitchell.com >- to get an idea of what I'm talking about. Joni fans are intelligent, >well-read and KIND people and you would be doing a great service not just >to them but to the many others out there who may not be so fortunate to >number themselves among Ms Mitchell's fans. > > > >(I mean, c'mon - Farrah Fawcett?) > > > > > >::: > > > > >Dear A&E Viewer, > >Thank you for your recent e-mail regarding programming on A&E and in >particular, our flagship series Biography. Though we have not done a >program on Joni Mitchell, we appreciate your suggestion for Biography and >will keep your comments in mind for future episodes and theme weeks. Be >advised that we have over 200 episodes in various stages of production. > >Thank you for your comments and your interest in A&E. > > > >Viewer Relations > >AandE.com >Escape the Ordinary Online > >Biography.com >The Web's Best Bios > >Mysteries.com >Get Clued In > >HistoryChannel.com >The Best Search in History > >OriginalAvengers.com >The Original British TV Cult Classic ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:30:36 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: S/he's Come Undone Hello all, I hope I'm not the first to bring this up...but my wife and I were talking about all things Joni while listening to Live at the BBC 1970. At the point where Joni mentions her not getting to Woodstock and writing a song about the festival out of empathy...my wonderful wife exclaims, "You mean Wally Lamb didn't check his facts!" At first, to me (the semi-illiterate member of this rockin' duo), this was a beautiful nonsequitor, but I had to ask, "Huh? What?" Susan, my wife then ran to a bookshelf, found She's Come Undone and quickly found the offending page (pg 213 in the Washington Sq. Press paperback edition...) and triuphantly read aloud to me, "Naomi alughed, 'That was the thing about Woodstock. You didn't think of people as individuals. We were all this...mass enitity.' 'Oh,' I said. 'Right.' She must have seen my disappointment. 'I was two people back from Joni Mitchell in the portable toilet line, though,' she said. 'Joni Mitchell used the public toilets?' 'Well, yeah. See, the whole point was that we're all one, you know You and me and Joni and your tall, skinny friend: a bunch of equals sharing the same small planet. It was a rush - very political!'" Needless to say, we had a good laugh at W.L's expense...Besides the fact that both of us see the event of Woodstock and the described non-event of standing behind Joni in the portapotty line as "spiritual" and not "political." Take care, Julian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:31:15 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Joni photos Check out my Day At The Garden photos here: http://www.jonimitchell.com/GardenPhotos.html >Hey everyone! > I am desperately seeking Joni photos from various concerts from her >'98 tour: Vancouver, Chicago, Joni's Jazz in NYC. I'm doing covers for all >my CD's and well, I'd be willing to trade and/ or supply CD's and covers >for photo suppliers, or $$.(BTW, I have to do something with this >Commercial Art degree...) My trade list is available if you email me >privately. > I thank you in advance, >Talk to me! > > >Steve ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 07:38:47 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Hejira vs DJRD Hmmm ... I'm not entirely convinced that 'Hejira' and DJRD aren't anything but two completely separate and distinct projects. Yes, some will argue, and with good reason, that DJRD's title track and 'Coyote' are based on the same guitar figure -- but I think any substantive comparisons can pretty much go to bed after that. From an orchestration and arrangement standpoint, DJRD has much more in common with FTR than 'Hejira.' The dynamics are much wider, as are the styles Joni employs -- there's no two cuts on 'Hejira' that come anywhere near the difference between, say, "Silky Veils" and "Paprika Plains" for example. If you prefer the art metaphor -- DJRD is more like a sweeping musical landscape -- 'Hejira' a razor-sharp black and white photograph, as it's cover suggests. Lyrically the two albums couldn't be more different. DJRD is magical, fanciful and mythological -- Hejira thoughtful, pensive and introspective. So, in the end, I'm able to love both albums equally - -- but differently. See Julian, not so much as a spark, let alone a flame ... ;-) Thanks for the intriguing juxtaposition. Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:47:35 -0500 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: Biography I agree that would be mighty fine company. My point was only that the general public still thinks of joni as a folksinger. Bill > > I agree. Or even worse, they could put her into a > > 60's folk singing chicks week with Joan Baez, > > Judy Collins, Melanie and Mary Travers. > > No disrespect intended to those fine women, > > but I shudder to think! > > Well I happen to think that would be mighty fine company in which to be > included. > > Jerry > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:42:52 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Bio_Feedback Joni Mitchell This interest in Joni being on Biography is so wierd. I had the same thought the other night when I was watching the Nick Nolte bio. The bottom line is whether Joni would agree to it. I'm sure they would have done one if she would have agreed. So whatever happened with the "storytellers" blitz this list put on VH-1 last year? Oh yeah, Joni decided to produce her own show: Painting with Words and Music. I think we need read the Companion while we're waiting for the memoirs. :-) Take care, Sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 07:39:45 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Hejira vs DJRD (got an error message, sorry if re-post) Hmmm ... I'm not entirely convinced that 'Hejira' and DJRD aren't anything but two completely separate and distinct projects. Yes, some will argue, and with good reason, that DJRD's title track and 'Coyote' are based on the same guitar figure -- but I think any substantive comparisons can pretty much go to bed after that. From an orchestration and arrangement standpoint, DJRD has much more in common with FTR than 'Hejira.' The dynamics are much wider, as are the styles Joni employs -- there's no two cuts on 'Hejira' that come anywhere near the difference between, say, "Silky Veils" and "Paprika Plains" for example. If you prefer the art metaphor -- DJRD is more like a sweeping musical landscape -- 'Hejira' a razor-sharp black and white photograph, as it's cover suggests. Lyrically the two albums couldn't be more different. DJRD is magical, fanciful and mythological -- Hejira thoughtful, pensive and introspective. So, in the end, I'm able to love both albums equally - -- but differently. See Julian, not so much as a spark, let alone a flame ... ;-) Thanks for the intriguing juxtaposition. Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:23:03 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: Re: Hejira vs DJRD Didn't I read somewhere on the JM Homepage that Joni herself sees Coyote and the song DJRD as companion pieces? Even from the first time I listened to DJRD the album, I felt that there were two seperate albums in the 'package'. I seem to remember that the music press reviews at the time also making that observation. The tracks for one album being Jericho, Paprika Plains, DJRD, Offnight Backstreet, Silky Veils and the tracks from the 'other' album being Overture, Cotton Avenue, Talk to me, Otis & Marlene, 10th World and Dreamland. The first listing seem to me represent a 'style' of work from the period up to and including Hejira and the second listing anticipating her works to come. For me there is a 'companion piece' quality to Cotton Avenue and Harlem in Havana. Certainly thematically but also in timbre. I also feel that in retrospect her vocalisation on those tracks from the second 'list' in DJRD anticipated the singing on Mingus. imho Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:32:02 -0600 (CST) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re: S/he's Come Undone I read this over holiday break (mixed reaction), but I interpreted this mention to be a sly characterization--i.e. the girl speaking was so earnest and eager to impress that her "facts" were somewhat inflated. Not unusual behavior for a college freshman. I wonder how many Woodstock attendees thought (or still think) that Joni *was* there. - --Michael NP: Lucinda Williams, _Car Wheels..._ - ----------------------------------------------------------------- "If I owned Texas and hell, I'd rent out Texas and live in hell." - --Gen. P.H. Sheridan On Wed, 2 Feb 2000 Julian51469@aol.com wrote: > Hello all, > I hope I'm not the first to bring this up...but my wife and I were talking > about all things Joni while listening to Live at the BBC 1970. At the point > where Joni mentions her not getting to Woodstock and writing a song about the > festival out of empathy...my wonderful wife exclaims, "You mean Wally Lamb > didn't check his facts!" At first, to me (the semi-illiterate member of this > rockin' duo), this was a beautiful nonsequitor, but I had to ask, "Huh? > What?" Susan, my wife then ran to a bookshelf, found She's Come Undone and > quickly found the offending page (pg 213 in the Washington Sq. Press > paperback edition...) and triuphantly read aloud to me, > "Naomi alughed, 'That was the thing about Woodstock. You didn't think of > people as individuals. We were all this...mass enitity.' > 'Oh,' I said. 'Right.' > She must have seen my disappointment. 'I was two people back from Joni > Mitchell in the portable toilet line, though,' she said. > 'Joni Mitchell used the public toilets?' > 'Well, yeah. See, the whole point was that we're all one, you know You and > me and Joni and your tall, skinny friend: a bunch of equals sharing the same > small planet. It was a rush - very political!'" > > Needless to say, we had a good laugh at W.L's expense...Besides the fact that > both of us see the event of Woodstock and the described non-event of standing > behind Joni in the portapotty line as "spiritual" and not "political." > Take care, > Julian > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 08:34:28 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Bio_Feedback Joni Mitchell Susan McNamara wrote: > So whatever happened with the "storytellers"blitz this list put on VH-1 last > year? Oh yeah, Joni decided to produce > her own show: Painting with Words and Music. > Actually, the planned Storytellers thing was chronologically after PWWAM. I know that there were at least two different dates set for it last year but it kept getting postponed. I asked Robbie about it after the gallery opening. He said he doubted that it would come to fruition now. I really wish she would do it though. She is probably more in "old standards" mode now and couldn't even think about playing her own material. Anybody hear anything about a tour for BSN? I need my live Joni fix!!! - -- Phyliss, hopelessly addicted pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 11:05:56 -0600 From: "Mark T. Domyancich" Subject: Re: Hejira vs DJRD Come to think of it, Hejira and DJRD (to me, at least) are two different projects. Joni had already written several songs for it before Hejira was released-DJRD, Talk To Me, Dreamland-and these were just leftovers from other projects. I think Hejira would be totally different if she had added DJRD to it. NP-Rusted Root-River In A Cage At 7:38 AM -0800 2/2/00, Don Rowe wrote: >Hmmm ... I'm not entirely convinced that 'Hejira' and >DJRD aren't anything but two completely separate and >distinct projects. Yes, some will argue, and with >good reason, that DJRD's title track and 'Coyote' are >based on the same guitar figure -- but I think any >substantive comparisons can pretty much go to bed >after that. Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 12:26:20 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hejira vs DJRD Mark said: <> As well as Jericho from MOA... Bob NP: Stevie Wonder, "A Seed's A Star" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 18:11:27 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: S/he's Come Undone Michael writes: >I read this over holiday break (mixed reaction), but I interpreted >this >mention to be a sly characterization--i.e. the girl speaking >was so >earnest and eager to impress that her "facts" were somewhat >inflated. Not >unusual behavior for a college freshman. > I got the same impression. I think Wally Lamb was being tongue-in-cheek about it and that he knows perfectly well Joni wasn't at Woodstock. On the other hand, a lot of young women had long blonde hair back then - the character quoted could be both "eager" and mistaken. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 14:08:11 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Rockgirl Magazine Votes in Joni (plus freebies) Good News...........I was at Tower today paging thru the music magazines. Picked up the January/February 2000 issue of ROCKGIRL magazine. the cover says "Rock's 50 Greatest Women of All Time" I was ready to battle if they didn't have Joni's name in there!!!!!!! Out of 50 she was number 3. The paragraph with her name says: JONI MITCHELL - Nobody has inspired more female singer/songwriters to take pen to paper and pick up a guitar than Joni Mitchell. 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Laura ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:55:41 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Biography > I have to wonder - they're doing one on Farrah > Fawcett (!?!) I can actually > understand Dick van Dyke, but Farrah Fawcett??? > As a red-blooded American male child of the 70s, I've gotta call a flag down on this one from Catherine. Farrah -- rivalled only distantly by Stevie Nicks and Ann and Nancy Wilson -- is single-handedly responsible for imprisoning an entire generation of male adolsecents in a fantasy world from which there was no escape. And with what? A POSTER!! That rates a Biography segment in my book ... and yes, I still HAVE the poster. ;-) Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 12:41:23 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: vicious lists Sounds like those are people who don't have enough to do, and need to get a life. :-) ============================================================= "I see the blue pools in the squinting sun and the hissing of summer lawns."--Joni Mitchell, 1975 Mike Friedman, San Francisco, CA, USA http://63.192.218.181 > From: Roman > Reply-To: Roman > Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:41:09 +0100 > To: JMDL Digest > Subject: vicious lists > > >> You want a viscous list, (can you say that 10x fast?), try the one for >> >Thomas >> Pynchon. Jesus, Mary and Joseph, does each individual member think they >have >> the ONLY interpretation of Pynchon's stuff. > > Yeah, I tried a Doors list for a week or two once - They had me for > breakfast. I probably deserved it - you guys are too patient with me! > > (Tip - If you ever join a Doors list, don't ever try suggesting that > Manzarek was to blame ;-)) > > Incidentally I've just realised I actually have more Stevie Nicks albums > than Joni albums. 4 to 3. > > tube > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 07:19:14 +1100 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: BSN for $30 Barnes & Noble now have Both Sides now listed for $39.99. Use a $10 of $25 order coupon to obtain it for $30. I have two of these coupons listed on my site. You may be able to stop your old orders and reorder :-) http://jonimitchell.freeservers.com/ Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 07:49:16 +1100 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Rockgirl Magazine votes in Joni SJC Joni's maturing like a good wine! Last year VH1 only listed Joni in position #5 on their list "The 100 Greatest Women Of Rock 'N Roll" behind Arerha Franklin, Tina Turner, Janis Joplin and Bonnie Raitt. I wonder how fresh "Dunking Donuts" will be by the time they get to Oz! Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 23:20:53 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Hejira vs DJRD From someone who knows nothing of the technicalities fo music-I cannnot hear any similarity at all between Hejira and DJRD. They sound completely different. Lyrically they are too. hejira is by far the better album, at least to my ears. i seem to recall it written on this list that Joni just threw DJRD together cos she had an obligation to fill. it certainly is a strange album. My favourite tracks being Talk To Me, The Tenth World and Dreamland. Paprika Plains is incredibly boring to my ears. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 23:22:20 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Biography Farah is no longer the girl from CA. No. She proved she can act both on stage and in film. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:13:05 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Juno Award Nominees The nominees for Juno Awards (Canada's Grammies) were announced today. Most interesting to us: Best Pop Adult: Joni Mitchell - "Taming The Tiger" The complete list of nominees can be found at www.juno-awards.ca ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 20:42:27 EST From: WirlyPearl@aol.com Subject: Joni Mention on "Who Wants to be a Millionaire?" Hi guys, I just caught the tail end of it, but Joni was in the "fastest finger" segment of the show. My husband Steve said they asked to put the dates of these singers first hits in order, or something like that. Joni Mitchell, Tracy Chapman, Cindi Lauper and I didn't catch the last one. I was just so excited to see Joni's name up there. Did anyone else see it? Pearl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 21:27:57 -0500 From: Walter R Rodgers III Subject: [none] Matthew; HOSL is one of my favorite albums period. I hear in it the obvious theme of disillusionment with the false gods of suburbanites, but more important for me it really hits home with the bittersweet melancholy of getting older. With In France They Kiss On Main Street I feel all the joy of young love and Sweet Bird just nails middle age with the line "Out on some borderline, some mark of in-between, I laid down golden in time and woke up vanishing." That's what I get out of it anyway. Walter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 02 Feb 2000 22:54:28 -0600 From: dave fairall / beth miller Subject: (no subject) To Catman's comments: >From someone who knows nothing of the technicalities fo music-I cannnot hear any similarity at all between Hejira and DJRD. They sound completely different. Lyrically they are too. hejira is by far the better album, at least to my ears. i seem to recall it written on this list that Joni just threw DJRD together cos she had an obligation to fill. it certainly is a strange album. My favourite tracks being Talk To Me, The Tenth World and Dreamland. Paprika Plains is incredibly boring to my ears. I don't think it takes a musical ear necessarily to appreciate the incredible textures and marvelous musical colors the individual players on DJRT exhibit. Wayne Shorter and Joni on Jehrico for instance, the composition itself, and Jaco throughout, consistently create special moments...not often found on a studio recording. I agree that Paprika Plains is somewhat tiresome, but the album is nothing if not unpredictable, which I think adds to it's charm. Give it another listen...... DF ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 23:51:35 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: HOSL In a message dated 2/2/2000 9:26:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, wrodgers@blast.net writes: << HOSL is one of my favorite albums period. I hear in it the obvious theme of disillusionment with the false gods of suburbanites, but more important for me it really hits home with the bittersweet melancholy of getting older. With In France They Kiss On Main Street I feel all the joy of young love and Sweet Bird just nails middle age with the line "Out on some borderline, some mark of in-between, I laid down golden in time and woke up vanishing." That's what I get out of it anyway. Walter >> You know Walter, I never looked at HOSL that way befor but I see it. Especially in Sweetbird when she says.... all these vain promises on beauty jars, somewhere with your wings on time you must be laughing, Behind our eyes, calendars of our lives, circled with compromise, Sweetbird of time and change you must be laughing. To me this all sounds like getting old (which happens to be right where I am out right now) and dealing with the lines that were not there befor and thinking back to al the things we wanted to do but never took the time to do them...time certainly flies...... Catgirl NP Sweetbird ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 3 Feb 2000 02:09:56 EST From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: thoughts on Alternate Blue I was listening to Alternate Blue tonight and would theorize that the reason Good Samaritan didn't make it in is because it sounds very much like This Flight Tonight, one of those songs that means a lot to me, and I'm sure a lot of others, who have ever flown somewhere following a breakup. But the chords of the two songs are so similar, I believe the tuning is the same with the bass string so slack that it buzzes at the end of both songs. I also think that part of what makes BLUE Joni's ground breaking masterpiece is that the songs were arranged like STAS, C&S and HEJIRA where there seems to be an emotional and/or chronological order, something like an unwritten novel. Alternate Blue is kind of like CLOUDS, a typical collection of songs which aren't related, don't segue into each other. It reminds me of reading that Joni got upset when she heard the cassette version of C&S and discovered they had reordered the songs. - - Clark np: Moby ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #45 ******************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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