From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #44 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, February 2 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 044 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re:Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? ["Eric Taylor" ] gentle people [Roman ] bereavement JMDL [Roman ] Thinking of Wally... [jw1327@rcn.com] Joining Discussion Lists [Joseph Palis ] Re: Biography [TerryM2442@aol.com] Joni in Standard Tuning [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni Biography [James Leahy ] Re: Joining Discussion Lists ["Reuben Bell" ] WTRF/Richie/Henley [Emily Kirk Gray ] RE: Ritchie Running Fast (Paints His Shirt Red) [Louis Lynch ] Re: Re:Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: WTRF - Henley to Joni on Ritchie [Don Rowe ] Re: Biography ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: WTRF - Henley to Joni on Ritchie ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Joni in Standard Tuning [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Matthew Hall guess which one I got ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Biography [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? ["Eric Taylor" ] Covers That Resonate With The Music, was Re: Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? Hmmm, not bad ["Jim ] RE: Matthew Hall guess which one I got [john low ] Re: Joining Discussion Lists ["Eric Taylor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 02:32:49 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re:Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? Matthew shared: << ....the most popular one was 'For The Roses' , oops sorry, I mean FTR. And I did intend to get that today, because I really liked the sound of it, but I ended up buying 'the hissing of summer lawns' instead.... To be honest, at the moment, I'm wishing I had got 'FTR', but... I know that it can take time with Joni albums.... >> I must admit, of all Joni's albums, THOSL is the one I play least. I adore Sweetbird & Harry's House/Centerpiece but the rest of the album just isn't my cup of tea. I look at it as the turning point in her career which launched Joni's signature sound in Hejira, DJRD, etc., etc. I think it's sad that Joni's Hits CD is comprised primarily of the early songs. Misses is much more representative of her best work IMO. Go get FTR & TI ! E.T. __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 01:51:01 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: TI's sound Debra Shea asks: << Does anyone else think Joni sounds extremely depressed on TI or am I completely off the wall here? >> When I first heard that Joni had titled her new release Turbulent Indigo I remember rejoicing that she would probably be delving into the darker side of the human psyche. & BOY was I ever right! The reason I don't find TI depressing is because Joni transforms sad subjects into works of profound beauty. It actually makes me happy that somebody can articulate human insanity so intelligently & artistically. & it helps me overcome depressing situations to sing lines from songs like Borderline: *You snipe so steady / You snub so snide / So ripe & ready / To diminish & deride!* There is an incredible power in such sharpness & I'll take Joni over Prozac ANY DAY! If Joni's voice didn't convey a sense of depression on TI then I'm sure I wouldn't like it nearly as much! E.T. __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 09:41:40 +0100 From: Roman Subject: gentle people gentle people with flowers in their hair - Coincidental reading and hearing. Yes that was weird wasn't it? These things happen. tube ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 09:56:10 +0100 From: Roman Subject: bereavement JMDL Catherine wrote: >my Dad died quite suddenly Tuesday afternoon - I got the >news when I arrived home from work that day. Catherine my heart goes out to you. I live in fear of this. My parents are at that sort of age, and I've already started trying to prepare myself for a life without them. Not that I see them often since moving to Italy, but it's just knowing that they're there. The real pisser is that my parents and I have only just started getting to know each other for the last five years or so. Before that our relationship was strictly professional. I'm praying for at least another twenty years of their friendship, but it's tough to accept that that probably won't happen. Thnking of you tube. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 07:17:41 -0400 From: jw1327@rcn.com Subject: Thinking of Wally... Hello everyone- Just re-joined the List- and want to extend prayers, love, and extreme gratitude to Wally Breese- He is such a sweet man- I am at a loss for words... We love you, Wally- What else is there to say??? James White ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 20:25:10 +0800 (JST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Joining Discussion Lists The first Discussion Lists I joined apart from those related to my academic program were that of Everything But The Girl, Mary Black (now defunct) and Julia Fordham and later the JMDL. I like the EBTG List because people were discussing the music I listen to. There were so many angry people there though who jump at you at the slightest typo error you commit or remark that don't sit well with them. There was this one popular flamer who uses so many sexist and racist slurs to get his point across, but in a weird way, I am drawn to this guy's facility of the language and how he can possibly know almost all topics that ranged from plumbing to neo-classical music to the artistry of unknown stage actors to the finer points of the military hierarchy. He caused the departure of a lot of Listees though who were disgusted at his superiority. By the way in his list of lists there are only two singers that matter: Liz Fraser and Lisa Gerrard. I left the list when it became obvious that 90 percent of the time, they love to personally attack each other so much so that they managed to learn each other's location and planned how they want to maim each other. I can't imagine how Tracey Thorn's lovely sad voice attract these kinds of people. I mean, I am one of them, I may be them too. Except for a few who wanted to discuss EBTG's music, most of the time the favorite pasttime is insulting one another. Being with the Mary Black Discussion List proved unsuccessful. There were a handful of posts which are interesting because they touch on Celtic Music which I wanted to know so much. However, we were informed later by the "moderator" that they are closing the List for some reasons that I didn't quite grasp. I only remembered that there were problems with an internet company or something. It folded not because there were no discussants but because of something more computer-related. The Julia Fordham List was much much better. The community of people there may not be as warm as the JMDL but were articulate writers who can write effusively about Julia and document her concerts to the minutest detail that are either heavy-going and tedious for some, or too delightful for others. I read those that interests me and ignore the ones I find difficult to read. People there calle Julia as OLG (Our Lovely Goddess) and it was fun reading the posts that concern more about the lively and literate stage patter of . . . okay, OLG. It was a great list and besides there were some compatriots who were members of the List and its great discussing with them about other unrelated-to-Julia topics off-list. I left the List later because of the volume of posts I receive everyday. Simultaneous to EBTG and Julia Fordham, I joined JMDL because of my fascination to Joni. I was a jazz fan at an irresponsibly young age (due in part to my buffoonish father who explains anything musical to his kids, whether they are aged 17, 14 or 5) long before I discovered Joni. I am probably one of those people who read about Joni first before hearing her. If its vocal music, there's only Ella, Billie and Sarah for me, then, but our Cypriot teacher in school changed all that. Before he left for Cyprus, he invited all of us to a drink and for some mysterious ways both of us talked about music. He discussed music the way he discussed economics: very academic but this time with some passion I didn't hear when he discussed the IS-LM curves. He told me his favorite is Joni and he discussed her to me as though she is a relative of his, or as though he is selling a merchandise. I was hooked. I joined JMDL in 1997. The JMDL is quite unlike any of the discussion lists I joined in. The people were warm and affectionate and they respond to my posts whether on or off-list the way they do with others. Keen, mature and intelligent, they are conversant with all aspects of living and regularly posts very perspicacious messages fir to be published in magazines or academic journals. There were others I don't agree with; others whose opinions differ with mine, but the common denominator of all these disparate people all over the globe is the innate love for humanity and love for life. Being the only one from Manila in this group, I didn't feel as though I am that far from them, well, geographically yes, but then there was no place in the List that acts as the center of JMDL activity, save for occasional Jonifests. I love the way the group delved into the implications of Diana's death; responsible parenthood; and other topics. I finally unsubscribed to all Lists when my computer sort of crashed, or the crash necessitated no further contact. When I was online again, the only other Discussion List I joined was the JMDL. I remembered being cut from the List and there were a lot of issues that spring and I couldn't wait to come back to know what the members in the List has to say about this; so that I can see the various perspectives of people. In the words of British writer Clive Barker: "You learn something new everyday". Now, despite some necessary verbal tussles between members, I post messages that I feel strongly about or say something related to inform others who may not be aware of it. I learned many things from the List and from the people who populate it. Joni fans anywhere on the globe are the same -- "basically good people". Joseph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 08:00:43 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Biography In a message dated 2/1/2000 1:51:20 AM Eastern Standard Time, rhollis@home.com writes: << I believe the address is still www.biography.com >> Thanks, Roberto. Who else wants to flood their mailbox with me? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 08:09:27 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Joni in Standard Tuning I had always hear Joni say that "Urge For Going" was her only song in Standard tuning. This morning I read in the Companion that Tin Angel & Harlem in Havana are also in standard...is that so? I especially thought it fascinating that HiH was in standard after all these years. Apparantly Joni was so interested in the marimba and brass sounds from the VG8 that she forgot to twiddle the knobs? :~) Bob NP: Jungle Line ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 08:56:19 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Joni Biography Same problem in Canada: CBC's Life and Times (our version of Biography) has done bios on people I've never heard of or people who haven't accomplished what Joni has. I suppose it all boils down to whether Joni would cooperate with such a project by agreeing to be interviewed for it. Also, such a show would probably want to focus on the mother-child reunion thing, and I doubt Joni would agree to air her private matters in public like that. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 06:15:28 PST From: "Reuben Bell" Subject: Re: Joining Discussion Lists I, too left the Everything But The Girl list for this reason. I was surprised at the foul mood that was the norm of that list. Too bad...there was some good information floating around there, and some good discussion. Terriffic band. Reuben >From: Joseph Palis >I like the EBTG List because people were discussing the music I listen to. >There were so many angry people there though who jump at you at the >slightest typo error you commit or remark that don't sit well with them. >There was this one popular flamer who uses so many sexist and racist slurs >to get his point across, but in a weird way, He >caused the departure of a lot of Listees though who were disgusted at his >superiority. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 09:56:30 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: WTRF/Richie/Henley hi guys. thanks to everyone who wrote in about my "first listen" to WTRF. it's been fun for me to read about matthew's new joni purchases...i keep thinking, oh god, what i wouldn't do to still have "hejira" or "for the roses" or fill in the blank here of joni's still unheard... i agree that even learning her music is a long long process. i've been spacing out my non-owned joni's for a while, relishing that there's work out there for me to discover. so many people have written with eloquence about why WTRF is a good listen, so i'm going to keep spinning it... but so far, the many many many references to "love" are just irking me. seems way too pat for this person i've known as such a brilliant poet. lionel richie sings background vocals on "you dream flat tires" (otherwise known as that song with a zillion "love is precious" phrases...please...). his voice doesn't really irritate me on the song (the lyrics take care of that for me), but i suppose it's the IDEA of lionel rather than the PRACTICE. but i enjoyed thinking about joni wandering the studio halls, yanking anyone and everyone out of their (schmaltzy) work and making them sing some stuff. funny! also, i have to say in lionel's defense that "lady (you bring me up)" is one of my all-time favorite get up and dance songs. the henley quotation is a puzzlement -- and thanks to lindsay for printing it on the list so i could read it -- some day i'm going to get that newfangled internet thing! what a stupid thing for don henley to say. never did like the eagles, i have to say. - -- emily NP: "the tenth world," DJRD ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:53:25 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Ritchie Running Fast (Paints His Shirt Red) A woman she bounce back easy, but a man could break both his legs.... - -----Original Message----- From: Roman [mailto:ramnix@pronet.it] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 3:48 PM To: JMDL Digest Subject: Ritchie Running Fast (Paints His Shirt Red) Where exactly is Lionel Ritchie on WTRF? tube _______________________________________ Visiting Rome? Visit RomeLife first... http://ROMELIFE.tripod.COM RomeLife Website - For expatriates, students, long-stay holidaymakers and anyone else who needs to know what the travel brochures won't tell you about living in Italy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 09:56:34 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Joni photos Hey everyone! I am desperately seeking Joni photos from various concerts from her '98 tour: Vancouver, Chicago, Joni's Jazz in NYC. I'm doing covers for all my CD's and well, I'd be willing to trade and/ or supply CD's and covers for photo suppliers, or $$.(BTW, I have to do something with this Commercial Art degree...) My trade list is available if you email me privately. I thank you in advance, Talk to me! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 17:01:36 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Re:Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? >I ended up buying 'the hissing of summer lawns' instead All this talk about HOSL-ness now... I'm now reading Salman Rushdie's newest book "The Ground Beneath Her Feet". It's an interesting read, to say the least. Difficult to summarize what it's actually about because it works on different levels. But the main characters are a couple of rock singers and a photographer. They seem to be in an alternate reality which is pretty close to, but not exactly like, ours. There are various references to twins, duality, the death of a twin at birth and so on, (in the other reality, the dead twin may have been the survivor) as well as references to rock stars who exist in this reality, or who exist in some reality, but where things are slightly altered. For example, "Bridge over Troubled Waters" was sung not by Paul Simon and Art Garfunkel but by Carly Simon and Guinevere Garfunkel (whoever that is!) Elvis Presley is now Jesse Garon Parker (wasn't Elvis' dead twin brother called Jesse?) and his manager is Col. Tom Presley. Stuff like that that kind of jolts you every so often, which is appropriate because the novel deals with things being jolted (an earthquake figures in a major way.) To get to the Joni content, several times Joni's name is mentioned in the novel, as in a benefit concert where all the big stars are there - Tina, Joni and so on - he doesn't say their last names because *we all know* but he uses names of real people who exist in our reality, but then throws in a few that I for one have never heard of (this could be my own ignorance, but I suspect it's Rushdie jolting the reader again to say, Hey, this isn't real, you know, or maybe *this* is reality, so what are you in?) Every so often, he includes in his writing a phrase from a rock song or two, but it's so blended into his own writing that you get a bit of a tingle (rather than a jolt!) of "This sounds familiar... hmm, where've I heard that before? I dunno." Here's an excerpt: "Cruising to the ocean past the potato fields, the cornfields, the turning banks of sunflowers, the glistened polo horses, the sweet birds of youth and the tick-bearing deer; past the exotically casual American rich in their cut-offs, their halter necks, their chinos, their polo shirts, their classic convertibles, their Range Rovers, their monied old age, their gilded childhood and their potent prime; past the Shinnecock Indians trimming the hedges and cleaning the pools and maintaining the tennis courts and mowing the grass and in general tending to the high-riced, stolen land; past the honk of the railroad and the cry of the geese and the hissing of summer lawns, I was turned back, after a long age, towards thoughts of home." Whew - what a sentence! I hope you inhaled deeply before reading that one! But whaddya know? A direct Joni quote. Reason enough to read the book? Probably not - it may not be for everyone, but I like it (not finished reading it yet and wondering how it ends.) P.S. I also love HOSL. I can't remember how well I liked it when I first got it which is whenever it first came out, but it's one of my favourites now. I know it was widely panned at the time and that people made fun of the name and thought Joni was being pretentious. But what do they know? Ignorant Philistines, mumble, mumble... Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 17:29:40 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? > > > Here's an excerpt: > "Cruising to the ocean past the potato fields, the cornfields, the turning > banks of sunflowers, the glistened polo horses, the sweet birds of youth and > the tick-bearing deer; past the exotically casual American rich in their > cut-offs, their halter necks, their chinos, their polo shirts, their classic > convertibles, their Range Rovers, their monied old age, their gilded > childhood and their potent prime; past the Shinnecock Indians trimming the > hedges and cleaning the pools and maintaining the tennis courts and mowing > the grass and in general tending to the high-riced, stolen land; past the > honk of the railroad and the cry of the geese and the hissing of summer > lawns, I was turned back, after a long age, towards thoughts of home." > > Whew - what a sentence! I hope you inhaled deeply before reading that one! > But whaddya know? A direct Joni quote. Reason enough to read the book? > Probably not - it may not be for everyone, but I like it (not finished > reading it yet and wondering how it ends.) The way you described this novel, I thought I might read it. then I read this excerpt. > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 17:56:49 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Biography Terry wrote: >Does anyone here have any clout in getting Biography to do a story >on >Joni? If they can do Dick Van Dyke, surely they can do Joni. >Sheesh. Roberto replied: >I emailed this very request a few months back and received a very >polite >(and immediate) response saying that they get many such >suggestions and >that they'd consider mine. In other words, hold not >thy breath! (Of >course, I have zilch in the way of clout with A&E.) Is there anyone out there in TV land who *gets* the way this works? Do they make these decisions based on the popularity and/or fame of the person whose bio they do? Is it based on how familiar the producers are with the person in question? Or on a popularity poll? Whatever the case may be, even IF you were so ignorant as to not know who Joni is, or to think no one would be interested, it seems to me they've done life stories of some people that you wouldn't normally think would get there - - which makes me think that how "interesting" a person's life is may be a factor. I'm sure Joni's life has plenty in it that would be "interesting" to a lot of people even if they weren't fans of her music or her art (incredible tho that may be to even consider...) Would they ask the person for her permission or for her input, or would they just go ahead and do it even if she didn't agree to it? Just wonderin'... Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:13:44 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: WTRF - Henley to Joni on Ritchie The context of Henley's life, career and art suggest nothing of bigotry ... nothing certainly, as overt as this isolated statement, made in private to another artist ... that I am aware of. I would be loathe to pass a sweeping judgement of anyone, based on a passing 20 year old comment, made in private, in an angry moment. Maybe that's just me. Like so many other members of the 70s superbands, Don Henley (and the other Eagles) suffered more than anything, from a steady diet of sycophants whispering in their ears about how invinvible they were -- that, combined with heaping side-dishes of controlled substances ... made a great many of them say and do things they did not actually mean, were not indicative of their character, and that they would ultimately regret. Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 18:28:14 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Biography Terry asks: >Who else wants to flood their mailbox with me? I am SO THERE!!! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 19:00:42 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: WTRF - Henley to Joni on Ritchie Don writes: >The context of Henley's life, career and art suggest >nothing of bigotry ... nothing certainly, as overt as >this isolated statement, made in private to another >artist ... that I am aware of. I would be loathe to >pass a sweeping judgement of anyone, based on a >passing 20 year old comment, made in private, in an >angry moment. Maybe that's just me. Not knowing anything about what happened here will not stop me from putting in my 2-cents worth anyway. The impression I got in reading this is not so much that Henley was really *angry* as that he was being rather tongue-in-cheek about it and was ribbing Joni for picking someone who just happened to be in the next studio and asking him to help out. Referring to Lionel Ritchie as "some Negro" when he was in fact, quite famous and popular at the time. I don't want to get into the whether-or-not-it's-racist thing again, but I think you have to be aware of the context and it doesn't sound (to me anyway) as if that was the intent. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 13:06:51 -0600 From: "Mark T. Domyancich" Subject: Re: Joni in Standard Tuning She talks about this one at length on the KCRW interview from March in 98. Yes, they both are her only standard tuning songs. It's interesting that in HiH she uses shapes she would otherwise have used in an alternate tuning (like 0 12 12 12 12 0). Has anybody else noticed the mistakes in the tab for it in the TTT book? They have a shape as 0 13 13 12 0 0, which should have been 0 14 14 13 0 0 (It's just an E shape played an ocatve higher-sweet sounding chord though!) NP-Tin Angel >I had always hear Joni say that "Urge For Going" was her only song >in Standard tuning. This morning I read in the Companion that Tin >Angel & Harlem in Havana are also in standard...is that so? Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua GO TITANS!!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 14:20:14 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? In a message dated 2/1/2000 3:03:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, ewwt@netzero.net writes: << I must admit, of all Joni's albums, THOSL is the one I play least. I adore Sweetbird & Harry's House/Centerpiece but the rest of the album just isn't my cup of tea. I look at it as the turning point in her career which launched Joni's signature sound in Hejira, DJRD, etc., etc. >> Eric, Did I make you the Hissing Demos? I thought I did. It made me love the lp more after hearing the songs. I love that lp and put it in my top ten. Don't interupt the sorrow is a great song. It just moves me. The lyrics on Edith and the Kingpin are so well written. I love the whole lp and even like the Jungle Line more then I did befor. Her writting PEAKED on Herjira and then again on TI. She makes it looks soo easy! catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 14:25:27 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Standard Tuning In a message dated 2/1/2000 8:40:02 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << I had always hear Joni say that "Urge For Going" was her only song in Standard tuning. This morning I read in the Companion that Tin Angel & Harlem in Havana are also in standard...is that so? >> I read she only had TWO songs in standard tuning. Does anyone know what the other one is? Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 20:27:27 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Matthew Hall guess which one I got Hello Matt and the rest of the list I have been a little quiet at the moment as I am in the middel of rehearsals and have subbed to the only joni digest list and is a little hard for me to reply to individuals but I just had to reply to this: HOSL IS AN AMAZING ALBUM! I do love the title track as well as Matthew. The current line that is in my head during rehearsals (and annoying some members)is 'There's a black fly buzzing, there's a HEEEEEEATwave burning in his masters' voice...' that's all, not the rest, just that. I think the imagery in this song is so perfect, so dense, so concise... oooooohhh I could go on. That particular lyric, to me, is like a piece of Magritte, slightly surreal, slightly out of context, and yet a perfect description of what is going on, behind closed doors, under the skin of the suburbs. And it's not particular to the American suburbs either but suburbs in general. Don't Interrupt The Sorrow is just bliss as is Harry's House. BTW Marian has just updated the guitar section of the jmdl to include the 'Centrepiece' medallion, a task that I was going to do, you beat me to it Marian!! I couldn't think of a better person to do it. Wait until the whole album takes you by the senses and shakes it so hard to see it's ultimate beauty. Have a safe journey. Jamie Zooby "Whatever makes you YAHOO!" Joni Mitchell, Shiny Toys 1985 ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 15:38:32 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: going away I'm signing off until next Monday: my nephew is getting married in Cardiff, Wales and I wanna be there. D LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 20:45:38 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Joni in Standard Tuning >Has anybody else >noticed the mistakes in the tab for it in the TTT book? They have a >shape as 0 13 13 12 0 0, which should have been 0 14 14 13 0 0 (It's >just an E shape played an ocatve higher-sweet sounding chord though!) Thanks for clearing that up. I knew it sounded strange. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 20:48:19 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? Catgirl says: >Don't interupt the sorrow is a great song. This reminds me and I gotta ask. I'm sure it has been asked and answered before but that was likely before my time here. What the heck IS that line she says? It's printed on the liner as "your notches, liberation doll". Is that what she's saying and if so, what the heck does it mean? (I love that song too.) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 16:05:23 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: TI's sound >Does anyone else think Joni sounds extremely depressed on TI or am I >completely >off the wall here? > >Debra Shea Sorry if someone has said this already (I'm hopelessly behind on posts again) but while reading all the posts on WTRF and it being so 'damn' happy it occurred to me: WTRF is happy because Joni was in love and getting married to Larry--Turbulent Indigo is sad because it was being recorded while Joni and Larry were getting divorced. You can especially hear the melancholy about the divorce in 'Last Chance Lost.' Sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 17:35:21 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Biography A&E usually does biographries in units of weeks, such as "Famous Criminals" or "Famous Britsih actors" or "Hall of Fame Baseball Players" so for those you are planning to flood A&E for a Joni hour on Biography, you might want to suggest a theme, too, that includes Joni such as Influential Canadian Musicians, Great Female Recording Artists, Rock & Roll Hall of Fame members, etc. If we are going to pitch a program to them, I think we have to pitch the complete package or they will never figure it out for themselves. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 17:30:32 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? Catherine asks of Don't Interupt The Sorrow: << What the heck IS that line she says? It's printed on the liner as "your notches, liberation doll". Is that what she's saying and if so, what the heck does it mean? (I love that song too.) >> I always thought she was singing *you're not just liberation doll*! *Notches* brings to mind bedposts.... E.T. __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 10:53:18 +1100 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: TI's sound Following Debra's post, Susan said: >Turbulent Indigo is sad because it was being recorded >while Joni and Larry were getting divorced This explains a lot of the emotion apparent on this album. As an example, you can see anger born out of frustration in songs such as "Turbulent Indigo". Its as though Joni's emotions are the fuel that fires her creative processes. Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 22:01:02 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Covers That Resonate With The Music, was Re: Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? Hmmm, not bad Yes, the desert colors fits the primal sounds within. I love Don Juan's Reckless Daughter for the literary stories and the Pink- Floyd-like Paprika Plains, complete with the dramatically louder ending when the band plugs in again. I know that lots of JMDLers love Hejira, and I do too but I have always viewed Hejira as a _sequel_ to her masterwork. [ D o n n i n g Flame Suit!!! Retreating from the wrath of the Hejira choir.] Jason Maloney said: > As for Joni album sleeves, I wonder whether the reason just about every one of > her album covers is both appropriate to the contents and visually pleasing is > mainly due to her being an artist. Obvious conclusion to reach, I know, but one > that holds true? Even DJRD, not my favorite of covers, is entirely fitting for > the music inside. (Why does MS-Outlook Express make me open up Navigator, when all I want to do is "Paste As Quotation"?) np: PWWaM in the next room. The bass isn't very clear here is it? The mix (by Joni) has an emphasis on the VG-8 and a quieter vocal. You will hear this subdued vocal mix again soon..... very soon, I guarantee! All the best, **All earthly comfort to Wally!** Jim L'Hommedieu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 16:32:31 +1000 From: john low Subject: RE: Matthew Hall guess which one I got Jaimie, writing about Matthew's choice of HOSL, says: "I think the imagery in this song is so perfect, so dense, so concise...oooooohhh I could go on. That particlar lyric, to me, is like a piece of Magritte, slightly surreal, slightly out of context, and yet a perfect description of what is going on, behind closed doors, under the skin of the suburbs. And it's not particular to the American suburbs either but suburbs in general. Don't Interrupt The Sorrow is just bliss as is Harry's House." Yes, this is just so true!! I was about to write in about the powerful imagery on this album when Jaimie 'stole my thunder' and, in doing so, expressed it far better than I would have. Nevertheless, I will just add one thought. The image that has always stuck in my mind since first hearing HOSL is "a dragonfly on a tomb" from 'Harry's House'. With striking precision this brilliant image sums up the central concerns of the album, the "shadows and light" at the heart of modern society. It is an image that is both beautiful and sinister and is haiku-like in its startling simplicity. Joni is a great writer and IMO her work on this album is definitely some of her best. Stick with it Matthew! John (in Sydney). __________________________________________________________________ Get your free Australian email account at http://start.com.au ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 2 Feb 2000 00:56:48 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Joining Discussion Lists Joseph Palis said it so beautifully: << ....The JMDL is quite unlike any of the discussion lists I joined in. The people were warm and affectionate and they respond to my posts whether on or off-list the way they do with others. Keen, mature and intelligent, they are conversant with all aspects of living and regularly posts very perspicacious messages fit to be published in magazines or academic journals. There were others I don't agree with; others whose opinions differ with mine, but the common denominator of all these disparate people all over the globe is the innate love for humanity and love for life. Being the only one from Manila in this group, I didn't feel as though I am that far from them, well, geographically yes, but then there was no place in the List that acts as the center of JMDL activity, save for occasional Jonifests. I love the way the group delved into the implications of Diana's death; responsible parenthood; and other topics.... >> I was torn whether or not to add NJC to the subject line but finally realized that this is certainly Joni Content! After all, the fact that Joni Mitchell has the best website devoted to a musician AND the friendliest discussion group many of us have ever experienced speaks highly of not only Joni but also caliber of her fans. Thanx for sharing this with us Joseph! E.T. NP: Hissing Demo __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #44 ******************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?