From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #43 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, February 1 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 043 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- jdml cliques ... a handy reference guide [Don Rowe ] RE: Prince, diFranco and Joni (SJC) [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Companion in Canada? ["Catherine McKay" ] Se Habla Espanol ["Michael Paz" ] Re; cliquish [Gertus@aol.com] Re:Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? ["Matthew Hall" ] DJRD, TTT Melodies and Matthew ["Russell Bowden" ] WTRF - Ritchie Passage [Lindsay Moon ] Feel Fabulous Forever... [Evan + Vanessa Thomson ] Re: standards..joni's voice [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Re: Re: broad brush [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? Hmmm, not bad [Jason Malo] wtrf- solid love [Wolfebite@aol.com] WTRF - Henley to Joni on Ritchie [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] In My Dweams ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: standards..joni's voice [luvart@snet.net] Re: In My Dweams [TerryM2442@aol.com] Biography [TerryM2442@aol.com] viscous lists [Roman ] strange fruit [Roman ] The World of Coke [Roman ] Ritchie Running Fast (Paints His Shirt Red) [Roman ] I like to watch [Roman ] vicious lists [Roman ] Kate Bush site [Roman ] Re: Biography [Robert Holliston ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 07:11:35 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: jdml cliques ... a handy reference guide Hello Matthew -- well you're certainly getting responses to your posts now, aren't you! ;-) I hope that you're not feeling singled-out for exclusion, I assure you that was not, at least, my intention. Are we a clique-ish bunch ... sans a doubt -- so to help you in the future, here's a handy list of the various jmdl cliques -- I won't name names of course, as the members of each clique know who they are! ;-) 1. ASAIDA -- The All Synthesizers Are Instruments of the Devil Association. 2. JCDNW -- The "Joni Can Do No Wrong" Club. 3. DEDMAS -- The Dog Eat Dog Musical Appreciation Society. 4. ANJCA -- Adamantly No Joni Content Association. 5. SEG -- The Society of Esoteric Guitarists. 6. JMAC -- The Joni Mitchell Audiophile Congress. 7. IBMS -- The International Brotherhood of Musical Sluts. 8. LKDL -- The Larry Klein Defamation League 9. FTR-RA -- The "For The Roses Rules!" Association. 10. Hejira-RA -- The "Hejira Rules" Association. 11. JBVC -- The Jackson Browne Vigilance Corporation. 12. NMJSS -- The National Merit Joni Scholar Society. Hope this helps -- and welcome aboard! Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 11:29:17 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: RE: Prince, diFranco and Joni (SJC) Patrick said: << i may have to spring for prince's new one 'rave...' never heard that he had covered 'a case of you'; has anyone on this list?>> I hadn't heard that either Patrick, but it sure got my attention...if somebody out there HAS this cover, let me know, I'll make it worth your while! I bought 'rave' when it came out, and I think it's great. About half of it I liked instantly, and the rest has grown on me. Bob NP: The Motels, "So LA" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 17:50:42 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Companion in Canada? Kathleen writes: >for those of you in toronto, I found the Joni Mitchell companion at Book >City on Bloor (at Bathurst). > >Enjoy. Thanks for the tip - it's actually within walking distance of work (and a great bookstore too!) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:16:56 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Se Habla Espanol Victor wrote: "I was rummaging through a bag of tapes and I found a maxell tape with live Joni on it that was apparently broadcast on some Spanish radio station since at the beginning of the tape some man is speaking really fast in Spanish. The first two songs are Both Sides Now and Free Man in Paris. Does anybody know which concert this is? The date is 3/7/83." I can spic spanish flewently if yew need help. Oh boy a possible nuther tape twee. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:57:31 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: Re; cliquish Matthew wrote:- and... apart from TI, which album would you recommend next? - ------------------------------ Hi Matthew, I'm in the UK too. Sometimes it can seem like there are not many of us on this list, but actually there are plenty, we just tend to be a bit quiet at times (apart from Colin, of course!) I think the suggestions that have already been made of For the Roses and Song to a Seagull are excellent ones and you will probably be able to pick them both up cheaply. I recommended FTR to a 20 yr old friend of mine recently and she loved it, although her absolute favourite is still Ladies of the Canyon. Two of my personal favourites I had to buy as imports :- DJRD (superb) and Shadows and Light, full version (also superb!) but they will set you back a bit. I haven't been able to obtain a release date for BSN yet in the UK so I've ordered it from the States. Can't wait! Cheers Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 19:26:59 -0000 From: "Matthew Hall" Subject: Re:Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? Hello everyone, thanks for recommending which cds to buy. I don't know whether I told you, but the most popular one was 'For The Roses' , oops sorry, I mean FTR. And I did intend to get that today, because I really liked the sound of it, but I ended up buying 'the hissing of summer lawns' instead. Don't ask me why; it had never really featured high on my list before, and the cover did not attract me at all. But in the shop I got it from (Andy's Records), it was a recommended album. I know that it is considered a classic, along with most of Joni's seventies stuff, so I just went for it. I usually go with my instincts on things like that. So here I am, giving it my first listen. I must say, the first half of the album passed me by a little bit, because I was reading my e-mail. But the title track is good, and I really liked 'The Boho Dance'. I was relieved to finally get to 'Harry's House / Centerpiece' - I'd already heard that on 'misses' and really like it. To be honest, at the moment, I'm wishing I had got 'FTR', but... I know that it can take time with Joni albums. There isn't many albums anyway, that I like on the first listen. With Court and Spark, I hated it at first. Which sounds kind of strange now, because it has so many great tunes on it, and it's also quite accessible, but I only had 'Blue' at the time, and I wanted it to sound exactly the same. So this album wasn't a big shock, but I'm interested to see how it goes. I'd like to know what you all think of it, because most of you will be really familiar with this album. I have enough money to buy 'FTR' tomorrow, but as Michael said, I think it's best to go slow, and give each album a proper chance. So I'll wait and see. Thanks again, Matthew ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:16:17 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? Oh Matthew, just quit squawking and go out and buy ALL the Joni Mitchell albums. That's right, all of them, dammit! Now! Get on it. Buy them. No excuses. Like there's something more flipping important than owning the complete Joni collection? Rent? Puh-lease! Car payment? Yea, right! Tuition? You gotta be kidding! Food? Not! Food for your children? Get real! So, just go out there and buy them up! That applies to the rest of you, too, dammit. Hear? Harper Lou Who, since quitting cigarettes, has moved from being mildly despondent to chronically angry at everything and everyone, and who also has been eating everything in sight, so watch your babies. (By the way, beware those styrofoam packing peanuts because after a couple dozen, they start to hurt your teeth.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 12:35:59 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re:Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? Interesting choice ... and you're quite right that you're going to have to give yourself some time to let it sink in. You've saddled yourself with something of a burden, in that a great deal of the imagery in HOSL is pretty solidly US suburban -- especially 'Harry's House ...' My personal favorite, "Shades of Scarlet Conquering" will bear repeated listening. So I can only imagine it won't be long now until you'll be in the market for a copy of the 'Hissing Demos", yes? Enjoy, I remember fondly my deepening journey of appreciation of this remarkable work. Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:45:21 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? HOSL was my first evr Joni bought on the strength of The Jungle Line. Maybe after you listen to it a few times you will love it as much. Maybe you won't. We all are different. I particularly like the last track, Shadows and Light. Just wonderful. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 14:48:18 -0600 (CST) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Re:Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? HOSL is my favorite--nuanced, incisive lyrics, imaginative and varied music yet still somehow coherent. It's *the* album I put on when i feel like hearing Joni but don't have something specific in mind. Keep working with it; the work will eventually pay off. I pulled out TTT for the first time in months the other day. Only listened to two songs (my favorites): "Harlem in Havana" and "Stay in Touch," and was re-amazed at just how fun and unique the first tune is and how achingly beautiful the second. I just love doing that. I'm especially grateful to this list for "Stay in Touch," because it only opened up to me after many on-list praises coincided with some life-events of mine. Now it's a lifelong treasure... Happy listening-- - --Michael NP: The Artist, _Emancipation_ (disc 3) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:49:47 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? Harper Lou-thank you for thses posts about quitting smoking. You have really shown me that I don't want to quit. Quitting chocolate and valium and weed and coffee was bad enough.(all terrible actually, weed being the worst) Your posts are such a breath of fresh air that i can happily carry on justifying my refusal to quit tobacco! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:57:41 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re:Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? Matthew writes: >the most popular one was 'For The Roses' , oops >sorry, I mean FTR. LOL - every time I see the short version of names, I have to grab my acronym dictionary myself. Welcome, if a bit late (I'm now 200 emails behind and reading, or skimming, furiously to get caught up before Hotmail revokes my account for being too "full".) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:26:37 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: broad brush A quick and belated apology to Fred... I put Roman's words into your mouth. Hope they didn't taste too bad! Beg pardon. atb, Martin. Fred quoted me correctly.. > >>I was thinking about what Fred was saying a couple of day ago, when he > > >>demolished all the output of the famous composers from three centuries. > Whoa, Nellie! It wasn't me, it was Roman! I defended all those composers. > > Dude, please be careful wading through the quotes of quoted quotes. > > - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 13:38:24 PST From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: DJRD, TTT Melodies and Matthew Hey Gang, I loved the posts re: first listens to DJRD. I bought this album hot off the press in '77...I was hooked on the first hearing and have been ever since. I know there are a couple of other DJRD fanatics on the list who know of what I speak. The Tenth World has never been a problem for me. On this symphonic/tone poem/suite type of album, 10th Wrld (to me) is a great segue from O&M retiring to FL, to the wonders of the tropics for a great white northener in Dreamland. That whole 'side' (ahhh..LP's!) fit together marvelously! I just finsihed a spontaneous/random play through of all the Joni studio albums...just picking which CD I wanted to hear at that moment. The end result was that the last one I played was DJRD!! As I got closer to the bottom of the pile, I was bemused by the final order of play. (Mingus was first) Re: TTT melodies....I, too, have found myself humming a tune thinking it was Face Lift, and realizing it was New Face. There is a sameness there, though I believe it is the instrument more than the actual songs. Long story short, love those tunes. Matthew, Hello, and get DJRD and/or TI. Of course, eventually you vill own zem all!!!! Love, Russ ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:05:44 -0000 From: "Matthew Hall" Subject: Re: Re:Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? I didn't realise everyone had access to the 'hissing demos'. What are they like? Obviously, i have an idea, but it would be interesting. I would like to get acquainted with the final versions first though! Matthew - ----- Original Message ----- From: Don Rowe To: Matthew Hall Cc: Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 8:35 PM Subject: Re:Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? > Interesting choice ... and you're quite right that > you're going to have to give yourself some time to let > it sink in. You've saddled yourself with something of > a burden, in that a great deal of the imagery in HOSL > is pretty solidly US suburban -- especially 'Harry's > House ...' My personal favorite, "Shades of Scarlet > Conquering" will bear repeated listening. So I can > only imagine it won't be long now until you'll be in > the market for a copy of the 'Hissing Demos", yes? > Enjoy, I remember fondly my deepening journey of > appreciation of this remarkable work. > > Don Rowe > > ===== > "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://im.yahoo.com > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:04:01 -0000 From: "Matthew Hall" Subject: Re: Re:Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? Hmmm, not bad Well, good news, because I'm starting to like the album now. I put the running order onto 'random' just to mix it up a little bit - I hate knowing what's next. The only album where I always listen to it in it's proper running order is 'Universal Mother' by Sinead O'Connor because she actually asks you to in the sleeves notes. It's true as well, the tracks really do weave together well. I would definitely recommend that album. I like 'shadows and light' that's a little bit like some of the closing tracks on 'universal mother'. I'm also starting to hear lyrics on this album now; I love the way you just get a line or two when you first get a new album, and gradually you start to get a meaning. With 'Hejira' I actually went through the lyrics book while listening to it, which I do sometimes, but I think I'll just let these seep in. It's funny as well, I don't know whether anyone else does this, but I always seem to create a mood for an album by what it's front cover looks like. For instance, 'Court and Spark' is creamy for me, and I think it's quite fun. Which it is, but it's cover is really light, and TTT is really warm, which the front cover captures perfectly. Maybe that's just Joni with her good packaging, but I do it with all the people I listen to. I know, I sound stupid. 'Blue' is obviously blue, but Hejira's cover is just perfect for the album. i really only listen to that album when I'm in the mood. It's a bit draining if you're not. Although I could listen to 'song for sharon' all day. Best go, i think I'm going mad. Matthew - ----- Original Message ----- From: michael w yarbrough To: Matthew Hall Cc: Alan Lorimer ; Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 8:48 PM Subject: Re:Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? > > HOSL is my favorite--nuanced, incisive lyrics, imaginative and varied > music yet still somehow coherent. It's *the* album I put on when i feel > like hearing Joni but don't have something specific in mind. Keep working > with it; the work will eventually pay off. > > I pulled out TTT for the first time in months the other day. Only > listened to two songs (my favorites): "Harlem in Havana" and "Stay in > Touch," and was re-amazed at just how fun and unique the first tune is and > how achingly beautiful the second. I just love doing that. > > I'm especially grateful to this list for "Stay in Touch," because it only > opened up to me after many on-list praises coincided with some life-events > of mine. Now it's a lifelong treasure... > > Happy listening-- > > --Michael > > NP: The Artist, _Emancipation_ (disc 3) > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:04:37 +1100 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: Re:Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? >liked the sound of it, but I ended up buying 'the hissing of summer lawns' >instead Matthew, I only got HOSL a couple of months ago myself. It is a good choice and has some of Joni's best material such as "Don't Interrupt The Sorrow". "The Jungle Line" is another of my personal Joni favourites. Joni's albums aren't contrived to have instant appeal, they do take a lot of getting into. I often find on a first pass of a Joni album I only go for one track! Each album is a new learning experience, it's not like just reading another novel by your favourite author where you know what to expect (Terry Pratchett is an English example of this), but it's like a completely new book by a completely new author. The albums that you listen to and like straight away are the ones that quickly disappear into the depths of your collection never to be heard again, or get hidden in embarrassment! There are parts of most Joni albums that I still "don't get" or "don't like", but the good bits are just so brilliant that they take your breath away. You'll also find that over the years as you get older you'll get more out of them. I first listened to Joni when I was first at Uni and was blown away by the music alone. Now fifteen years later (back at Uni again!), I'm seeing a fuller picture and reading far more into the lyrics than I had ever done before. One piece of advice would be to *wait* two months or so before buying another Joni album. Even buying one album at a time can be a "can't see the forest for the trees" experience. Joni has spend 30 years creating, be prepared to spend a couple of years soaking this in. Joni's albums *are* different. Although there is a great variation, there isn't the "wall of sound", overproduced hallmark of most modern music produced in the last 30 years ago. It's like watching a movie for the story, not the *name* stars or the special effects. Enjoy spending 2 or 3 years learning about Joni. Don't try and overdose to try and get it all. All of us on the Digest (like yourself) listen to other music. Members quoted albums such as Deep Purple's "Made in Japan" and The Who's "Live at Leeds" as their favourite live albums! I tend to play Joni albums over and over again and then go "Too much Joni", and put on something loud and heavy! Spread the purchases of Joni albums out over a few years. You wouldn't read the "Discworld" series in a week, would you? You'd get one and read it a few times over before you really got it all. Apologies to the American readers of the Digest who probably have no idea who Terry Pratchett is ;-) Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 16:33:29 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: WTRF Emily wrote: <<4. two words: lionel richie?>> In an older copy of Musician magazine (and wouldn't you know I can't find it in my Joni Archives (a bureau drawer in a spare bedroom) -- came out in the 80s and had JM, Stevie Wonder and now I can't remember who on the cover - -- titled something like Living Legends) I remember reading that she had originally asked Don Henley to do the vocal part on "Flat Tires." Then she went into the studio to record it and Lionel Ritchie was in the next studio and she went over and asked him to do the vocal. It was basically a textural choice; she felt Henley's register on that song was too close to her own. I'll go to Les' site and look up the article now and send along that passage if I can find it. It had some funny non p.c. remark from Henley that I don't want to misquote. Lindsay San Diego ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 16:50:15 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: WTRF - Ritchie Passage Well, that JMDL site is a thing of wonderment! As I posted to Emily, I remembered reading a passage about Joni's remarks on picking Lionel Ritchie to accompany her on "You Dream Flat Tires." It is on Les' site and called "Secret Places Part 1 of 2" from May 1988 (it appeared in Musician Magazine if I'm not mistaken.) "See, I had done something with Henley years before. For 'You Dream Flat Tires' on Wild Things Run Fast. I wanted a female/male contrast, but because of the register I had Henley sing it in, I didn't get any contrast. We were both singing lower than usual, and you'd be a long way into it before you realized that the voice changed. So I was dissatisfied with it and Lionel Richie was working across the hall, so I put Lionel on it. I forgot to tell Henley! Years went by and when I called him up to do this he said, 'You're not gonna take me off and replace me with a Negro this time, are you?' I said, 'Oh my God, did I ever explain to you what happened there?' And he said, 'No, I don't want to know.' God knows what he was thinking. He was insulted. I said, 'I had you in the wrong register!' This time I paid special attention to that; I knew it was up high enough that he'd get that certain timbre that's distinctively his. I owed him that. And he's perfect for that song." Lindsay (still rummaging around in that bureau drawer...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 11:55:54 +1100 From: Evan + Vanessa Thomson Subject: Feel Fabulous Forever... Hello, I think it was Wombqueen (forgive me if I'm wrong) who wanted to know if anyone out in Jimdle land had purchased "Feel Fabulous Forever". Sadly, I am the one who was foolish enough to buy this book on the strength of the one tiny Joni picture! There is 'no' Joni content in the book just a larger picture of her that's also on the cover! Its a black and white photograph of her smiling and striding toward the photographer. It's a lovely photo except the quality is blurred. So IMO, don't buy the book! Unless you wish to feel fabulous over 50! Strange thing is, I'm only 25 so if I follow all of these hints, I'm thinking I'm going to look sensational by then! Vanessa I know this is a minuscule amount of Joni but I thought it best for both lists to know that no actually Joni info is contained in the book! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 20:34:32 -0500 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: standards..joni's voice >I don't agree that standards are easy to sing. They're familiar to a >lot of people but some of them have very complex melodic lines and it >is *not* easy to sing them *well*. Very true! "Lush Life" by Billy Strayhorn is extremely difficult to sing. And while it is true that many standards have very complex melodic lines, it is also true that every singer intrepets them differently, and alot of how "well" the song sounds has to do with the way it is intrepeted, the little nuances and inflections they add, the mood they create, the notes they add in or leave out. There are two sides of jazz: the extreme precision and complexity of the chords and melodies...and the passion, the improvisation, the feeling of being free and natural to sing what you feel, where there is really no right or wrong. These almost seem to counter each other but when they work together the results are magical. John Coltrane is a good example of being a master at these two things. I feel that Joni is in a very good space right now to do an album like BSN. Having sung for over thirty years, her voice has matured very well and I think only becomes more beautiful. People get older, a woman in her forties may not look eighteen and someone may say, "She is not beatiful anymore," but I think I would disagree. Age does not necessarily diminish beauty but in many cases may enrichen it because beauty does not merely exist on the surface but deep within. The way you can look into someone's eyes and they seem to go on forever and maybe you don't realize it but you can see yourself reflected in their eyes and you feel a warm glow inside. This is how I feel about Joni's voice. The magic and beauty is there for you to find or to pass along to someone else. "And it's just a box of rain, Wind, and water. Believe it if you need it, If you don't just pass it on. Sun and shower, wind and rain, In and out the window, Like a moth before a flame. And it's just a box of rain, I don't know who put it there. Believe it if you need it, Or leave it if you dare. And it's just a box of rain, Or a ribbon for your hair. Such a long long time to be gone, And a short time to be there." robert hunter Victor http://www.mindspring.com/~waytoblu/Tangled.htm NP: Allison Krauss-It Wouldn't Have Made Any Difference ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:03:31 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Re: broad brush In a message dated 1/31/00 3:36:05 PM, mlg@ukonline.co.uk wrote: >A quick and belated apology to Fred... >I put Roman's words into your mouth. Hope they didn't taste too bad! Beg >pardon. Actually, they did taste kinda funky ... - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 01 Feb 2000 02:18:04 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? Hmmm, not bad Oh, and here's another thing I had to comment on.... :-) Matthew wrote: > It's funny as well, I don't know whether anyone else does this, but I always > seem to create a mood for an album by what it's front cover looks like. For > instance, 'Court and Spark' is creamy for me, and I think it's quite fun. > Which it is, but it's cover is really light, and TTT is really warm, which > the front cover captures perfectly. Maybe that's just Joni with her good > packaging, but I do it with all the people I listen to. I know, I sound > stupid. 'Blue' is obviously blue, but Hejira's cover is just perfect for the > album. i really only listen to that album when I'm in the mood. It's a bit > draining if you're not. Although I could listen to 'song for sharon' all > day. Matthew, I'm sure you're not alone in this! I think it's often just a natural thing to do. Personally, I take a lot of pleasure in a good album sleeve. Scanning my Top 100 Albums for my website was sheer bliss for me in that respect. I'd forgotten just how much I enjoy and value the cover art of an album when it's good, and how hardly any of my 100 choices have what I would consider aesthetically affronting artwork. I'm sure there's something quite significant in that. As for Joni album sleeves, I wonder whether the reason just about every one of her album covers is both appropriate to the contents and visually pleasing is mainly due to her being an artist. Obvious conclusion to reach, I know, but one that holds true? Even DJRD, not my favourite of covers, is entirely fitting for the music inside. I agree with you about Hejira...that is a stunning sleeve for an equally stunning album (my #8 of all-time...ahead of Hounds Of Love, even!) I think the only Joni sleeve I don't *get* is WTRF..and, hey presto...guess what? It's probably the Joni album I have most trouble feeling affinity with. When considering of my favoruite Joni tracks, or even looking back over her catalogue, WTRF is the one I always have trouble getting that unmistakable Joni-feeling about just by even thinking of it. Yet, the cover of TTT is quite possibly the reason I manage to keep some sort of faith in it! A different cover, and it would surely be lower than even WTRF in my estimation...and you thought YOU were mad, Matthew! I'm enjoying this thread more than I should, I know... ;o) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:47:58 EST From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: wtrf- solid love hey yall been in and out of reading post -but have been drawn to WTRF postings. i had that on vinyl back in college when it first came out, i don't think i've listened to that album in over 10 years! but i so curious to go back to it (actually- i don't own it anymore). solid love still stands out in my head as a favorite. i think it's the closest to capturing that early rock and roll do-wopish feel that she likes so much- you know- that 'why do fools fall in love' sound. 'underneath the street lights' (is that the title?) comes in a close second. where as 'dream flat tires', 'lady's man', 'your so square' just flop for me.... i like 'dancing clown' from CMIARS too- forget the overproduction, and it's a sweet rollicking song. i think some of her rock and rollish songs from that time... 'solid love' and 'dancing clowns' especially... could be really hot now- redone- sparser and more acoustic/percussive. I'd imagine a bit of the percussions of 'fourth world' underneath them- a bit of grinding grunge guitar and chorus of partying rabblerousers behind her. still digging toshi reagon- you'll have to give it a listen sometime doug ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:37:47 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: WTRF - Henley to Joni on Ritchie I have not much affection for the post-Commodores Ritchie, placing him in the same category of dreck as Kenny Rogers, Chris Gaines (or whatever name that dude is using today), and Barry Manilow, the post-Mandy years. In fact, my musical dreck category is almost all white, for whatever that is with. But tghen I read this: Lindsay Moon wrote: > Well, that JMDL site is a thing of wonderment! > ....... It > is on Les' site and called "Secret Places Part 1 of 2" from May 1988 (it > appeared in Musician Magazine if I'm not mistaken.) > "See, I had done something with Henley years before. For 'You Dream Flat > Tires' on Wild Things Run Fast. I wanted a female/male contrast, but > because of the register I had Henley sing it in, I didn't get any contrast. > We were both singing lower than usual, and you'd be a long way into it > before you realized that the voice changed. So I was dissatisfied with it > and Lionel Richie was working across the hall, so I put Lionel on it. I > forgot to tell Henley! Years went by and when I called him up to do this he > said, 'You're not gonna take me off and replace me with a Negro this time, > are you?' Is Henley a little bit of a bigot? A big bit of a bigot? Presuming that Joni is quoting Henly correctly, that is a racist statement. "You're not gonna take me off and replace me with ANOTHER SINGER would have been understandable and human; "with a Negro" is offensive. Does anyone know more about Henley to put this in any context by whcih we can otherwise understand this? I am sincerely asking. I didn't expect this type of statement from him. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:32:17 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Guess which cd I got???? What do you think? In a message dated 1/31/00 7:08:37 PM US Central Standard Time, alorimer@tassie.net.au writes: << Apologies to the American readers of the Digest who probably have no idea who Terry Pratchett is ;-) >> No apologies needed, Alan...I don't know the guy, but your post was a SUPERB summation of getting new Joni and how it has to slowly weave its way into your psyche. She is so unlike any other musical artist I know... Bob PS: So Matthew, do ya still think the list is too cliquey? LOL!! :~) It's like a good hot tub party...always room for one more! (But it WOULD have to be one big-ass tub for the lot of us! :~D) NP: Earth, Wind, & Fire, "Can't Hide Love" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:50:36 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: In My Dweams Dear Dr. Zigmondegreen, I keep having a recurring dream that I'm sailing my Dad's sailboat. Just like when I was in high school- racing sailboats on the weekends of Summer in the 70s. Does this mean that I'm reliving my past? Does the sailboat represent a state of grace? Am I the sailboat? Have I become my father's age? And why is Anna Nicole Smith there? Grinning, Jim *All earthly comforts to Wally* ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:27:47 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: standards..joni's voice At 08:34 PM 1/31/00 -0500, waytoblu@mindspring.com wrote: > >>I don't agree that standards are easy to sing. They're familiar to a >>lot of people but some of them have very complex melodic lines and it >>is *not* easy to sing them *well*. > > >Very true! "Lush Life" by Billy Strayhorn is extremely difficult to sing. > Queen Latifah does a nice version from the sound track to 'Living Out Loud' (an odd movie) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 23:59:44 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: In My Dweams In a message dated 1/31/2000 10:58:33 PM Eastern Standard Time, jlamadoo@one.net writes: << I keep having a recurring dream that I'm sailing my Dad's sailboat. >> Ach, Meester Lamadoodad, Dis...now DIS ees a goot esample of ze penis envy. Ze boat..tink about it. Long, pointed, no? You sail mit your fadder so you don't haf to vorry about competing against him, see? Eez safe sat way. Ven you ver a boychick, you enjoyed ze simplicity of zat. But oy vey, vonce you heet your adolescence, you don vant to be sailing mit him no more. No vay. No siree. So mamala, ze vish is to be zat little boychick who no have to vorry about competing for za mutter, for dat vould mean a hatchet to the helm, if you get my drift. Drift! Ha, I make a funny. Ok, I go now. Dr. SigMondegreen. They no haf spell check een the USA? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2000 00:33:58 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Biography Does anyone here have any clout in getting Biography to do a story on Joni? If they can do Dick Van Dyke, surely they can do Joni. Sheesh. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:39:31 +0100 From: Roman Subject: viscous lists >You want a viscous list, (can you say that 10x fast?) Well with enough lubrication I could... tube ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:29:35 +0100 From: Roman Subject: strange fruit >Well, suggesting Stevie Nicks is not a force of good in the world could >certainly be construed as asking for a reaction! ;o) Well, you know; 'by their fruits shall ye know them' tube ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:27:37 +0100 From: Roman Subject: The World of Coke >There is a working soda fountain as part of the exhibits in "The World of >Coke", next to Underground in downtown Atlanta, with a resident Jerk >doing demonstrations This would be Lou Reed right? tube ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:47:38 +0100 From: Roman Subject: Ritchie Running Fast (Paints His Shirt Red) Where exactly is Lionel Ritchie on WTRF? tube _______________________________________ Visiting Rome? Visit RomeLife first... http://ROMELIFE.tripod.COM RomeLife Website - For expatriates, students, long-stay holidaymakers and anyone else who needs to know what the travel brochures won't tell you about living in Italy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:50:29 +0100 From: Roman Subject: I like to watch >In which Peter Sellers film did he say the classic line "I like to watch" >while playing a character called Chauncey Gardener "I like to watch, but it's not as good as 'BEING THERE'". tube _______________________________________ Visiting Rome? Visit RomeLife first... http://ROMELIFE.tripod.COM RomeLife Website - For expatriates, students, long-stay holidaymakers and anyone else who needs to know what the travel brochures won't tell you about living in Italy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 21:41:09 +0100 From: Roman Subject: vicious lists >You want a viscous list, (can you say that 10x fast?), try the one for >Thomas >Pynchon. Jesus, Mary and Joseph, does each individual member think they >have >the ONLY interpretation of Pynchon's stuff. Yeah, I tried a Doors list for a week or two once - They had me for breakfast. I probably deserved it - you guys are too patient with me! (Tip - If you ever join a Doors list, don't ever try suggesting that Manzarek was to blame ;-)) Incidentally I've just realised I actually have more Stevie Nicks albums than Joni albums. 4 to 3. tube ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:01:06 +0100 From: Roman Subject: Kate Bush site >Suprisingly, I don't think I have ever checked out a Kate Bush >list/website! >Evian Go to GAFFAWEB - it's the Katie B equivalent of Wally's Joni site - A real mega site with every angle covered, very professional, very good looking, vetted links, the whole trip. Definitive and dedicated. Can't remember the URL - just run a search for gaffaweb, you'll soon turn it up. tube _______________________________________ Visiting Rome? Visit RomeLife first... http://ROMELIFE.tripod.COM RomeLife Website - For expatriates, students, long-stay holidaymakers and anyone else who needs to know what the travel brochures won't tell you about living in Italy. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:45:23 -0800 From: Robert Holliston Subject: Re: Biography Hi Terry, I emailed this very request a few months back and received a very polite (and immediate) response saying that they get many such suggestions and that they'd consider mine. In other words, hold not thy breath! (Of course, I have zilch in the way of clout with A&E.) However, if a few hundred jmdlers bombard them with emails, they might put it on the front burner. (These videos almost always end up for sale, and I'm sure I'm not the only person here who'd want one ;-) I believe the address is still www.biography.com Cheers, Roberto TerryM2442@aol.com wrote: > Does anyone here have any clout in getting Biography to do a story on Joni? > If they can do Dick Van Dyke, surely they can do Joni. Sheesh. > > Terry ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #43 ******************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?