From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #42 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Monday, January 31 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 042 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- hi there [Bounced Message ] Re: cliqueish? [Maggie McNally ] Re: WTRF [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: WTRF ["rick novosel" ] Re: New sub seeks Joni VIDEOS [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] RE: Prince, diFranco and Joni (SJC) ["patrick leader" ] Re: WTRF first listen [CaTGirl627@aol.com] WTRF and TI [evian ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 16:57:45 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: hi there From: "paul tyrer" Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:56:41 -0000 Hi Matthew Thought I'd reply (ego-maniac as I am) as I went to Liverpool University too - it was good, I enjoyed it once I'd crept out of my room (a v. shy 18 then) and went on to have a wonderful time there. hope you do too. As for which Joni album to recommend next, hmm a difficult one. If you love Blue and C&S, I'd go for one of the easy to love early ones. Ladies of the Canyon is v. friendly on the ear - it's got quite a few cuts from Hits you'll recognize and lots of lovely melancholy songs. Some people rave on about For the Roses, and though it's got some great tracks on it, it's not my fave. I love the Hissing of Summer Lawns, but I know some people find it difficult... And of course the first album is fantastic... Of Joni's later work, Night Ride Home is really super-accessible, but Turbulent Indigo broods and hangs around so much that once it hits you (and it took a while) you never quite stop playing it. At least, *I* still play it! whereas I don't much play Nightridehome (radio-friendly and lovely though it is). Confused?? Wait till you get everyone else's replies... bye for now Paul xx PS Hi again to listers who remember me from last year. Making a return appearance as I'm in work-avoidance mode. Hope you're all OK. Px ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 19:00:31 -0500 From: Maggie McNally Subject: Re: cliqueish? Matthew, > The Joni albums I own are: >Blue >Court and Spark >Hejira >Hits >Misses >Taming The Tiger > >The hits and misses collections are fantastic as an introduction to Joni's >work. >I normally think buying a 'hits' collection is a bit of a cop out as opposed >to buying a proper album, but it really did amaze me. I actually prefer >'misses' 'cause that seems to have more of her '90s work on it. > >... >and... apart from TI, which album would you recommend next? > You have done quite well considering your recent introduction! It is always interesting to me to see what route people take in their journey of discovering Joni's catalogue. I had the good fortune to start with Ladies of the Canyon a very long time ago (like, when it was new ;-D). Yet, I am a little envious of the discoveries you have yet to make. Like, For the Roses. And, Hissing of Summer Lawns. And, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter. Try those, for starters. I can honestly say that there are no discs I would pass over...just some are more easily entered and I have found more immediately rewarding than others. Maggie Maggie McNally ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:05:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: WTRF In a message dated 1/30/00 3:08:36 PM US Central Standard Time, vanpelt101@hotmail.com writes: << Could someone fill in on whether or not this was after he left The Commodores. I'll let it slide if it was. >> Yes Jerome, his appearance on WTRF was in the midst of his post-Commodore days... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 18:05:44 -0800 From: "rick novosel" Subject: Re: WTRF In response to Emily, Jerome posts: >>>4. two words: lionel richie? > I've been wondering about this. Could someone fill in on whether or not > this was after he left The Commodores. I'll let it slide if it was. I once heard Joni say in an interview, when asked about recording with Billy Idol, that she often just wanders over to whomever is in the next studio and asks them to help out. I presume this is how Lionel Ritchie became involved. >>>6. a very postmodern (and purposely ugly?) painting for >>>the cover > Nver looked at the cover in this perspective. Interesting that you mention perspective, Jerome. The perspective in this painting is way out of whack, especially if you can open up the double album cover to check it out. It brings up something Joni said on the LACE interview tape when they were discussing the TTT painting showing Joni nose to nose with a deer. The interviewer interpreted Joni as being in the foreground compared to the deer whereupon Joni said she was actually in the background and admitted to having poor depth perception. Rick np: "8:05", Moby Grape ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 21:08:12 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: New sub seeks Joni VIDEOS In a message dated 1/30/00 3:16:03 PM US Central Standard Time, SoulQuest7@aol.com writes: << If anyone knows of any good quality compilations of early Joni TV performances, pleases email me off-list with info. >> Welcome to the list, Nick! We do have some video trees that have been made, stick around and maybe you can get hooked up with 'em. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:14:14 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Prince, diFranco and Joni (SJC) i've been keeping this in my inbox because mariana in argentina wrote: >I thought it might interest some of you. If it doesn't at all, I >apologize. this is exactly the kind of thing that belongs on this list. we've talked plenty about the glyph and ani here, they are clearly part of the universe of joni-relevant subjects. don't even consider apologizing. > >I read the following recently on the Village Voice site >(http://www.villagevoice.com). It was part of a review of both Prince's >and Ani diFranco's new albums. The reviewer was talking about the >similarities between both musicians, and then he/she wrote: > >"Of course the former "slave" of contractual hoo-ha respects the >undisputed poster girl (with no poster) for indie labeldom. But it's >deeper than that. They also share both a sense of ultraperfectionism and >a self-defeatingly-vs.-self-perpetuatingly prolific recording history. >Oh, and they both dig Joni Mitchell. Ani obviously idolizes her, and the >Artist at one point wrote a song for her, which she declined; he settled >on namechecking her in "Ballad of Dorothy Parker" and covering "A Case >of You" instead. True story. >Now he offers an acoustic-ish nod to Ms. >Mitchell on a way-too-short Rave number entitled "Tangerine," a sonic >expression of color that's reminiscent of Joni's "Blue." " > this has me really intrigued. 'blue' is one of my three or four favorite joni songs, and an incredible model for another songwriter. i've always considered my favorite sarah maclachlan song 'mercy' (from solace) to be the bastard child of the songs 'blue' and 'shadows and light' i may have to spring for prince's new one 'rave...' never heard that he had covered 'a case of you'; has anyone on this list? i also love 'color' songs... patrick jfp - anne dudley - ancient and modern ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 22:40:55 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: WTRF first listen In a message dated 1/30/2000 2:05:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << My complete and total first reaction to WTRF when I first heard it was: "She sure was in love with someone when she recorded this!" (the Rev) Vince >> me too! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 23:34:55 -0600 From: evian Subject: WTRF and TI Well, I am using my posting disease to weigh in with a "me too". WTRF and TI just aren't my fave Joni albums. Try as I might, they just don't do it for me. WTRF has some GREAT stuff on it, like "Chinese Cafe" and, hit me now, "Underneath the Streetlights" (Yup, I am IN LOVE with that song, sue me). However, the album as a whole just doesn't get me goin'. And with TI... I really LOVE some of the songs, especially the title track, "How Do You Stop", "Last Chance Lost", and "The Sire of Sorrow". However, it's just such a downer for me as a whole... Great music, it gets to be too much for me and it just ends up dragging me down. Now, if Joni had gotten ole Lionel to do some dancing on the ceiling on TI, then maybe it would have cheered it up a bit ;) Now, don't think I don't like depressing albums (I mean, I live for the Cure's Disintegration), but TI just isn't in my Joni top 5 yet... maybe it will click someday! Evian p.s. My mind is boggled by this idea of carbonated water and ice cream.... I can't even imagine...... np: "They Don't Know" -- Tracy Ullman (found it in my old boxes of freaky junior high stuff, and forgot how cute this was) ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #42 ******************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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