From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #38 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, January 29 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 038 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: $35 BSN?! [Phyliss Ward ] Re: $35 BSN?! [CaTGirl627@aol.com] The buck starts here [Michael Paz ] Re: VG-8 Info [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: More VG-8 102 [Randy Remote ] VG8 Sound ["Eric Taylor" ] More VG-8 204 [Michael Paz ] My Top Five Joni (This Year) ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: My Top Five Joni (This Year) [CaTGirl627@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 20:49:37 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: $35 BSN?! You can get the special edition BSN for around $34 or $35 via either www.barnesandnoble.com or www.cdnow.com when using the $10 off coupons at http://www.finditnow.8m.com/ Thanks Laura for this awesome site! I haven't paid full price for a CD or book since you passed it on! Tere are some other great bargains there too. Just keep checking it periodically. FredNow@aol.com wrote: > Louis Lynch wrote: > > >>Sorry, but at $35 for the boxed BSN set, Joni's work is NOT cheaply > > >>distributed. That amount would feed some families for a month, you know > > Hey, where can you get BSN ltd. for $35?! I'm down! > > -Fred - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:58:34 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: $35 BSN?! In a message dated 1/28/2000 11:09:16 PM Eastern Standard Time, FredNow@aol.com writes: << >Sorry, but at $35 for the boxed BSN set, Joni's work is NOT cheaply >>distributed. That amount would feed some families for a month, you know Hey, where can you get BSN ltd. for $35?! I'm down! -Fred >> Go to Barnes and Noble.com, they have it for $44.95 then type in password to get $10.00 off. That make it $34.99-whoo-hoo! Password code is CTENOFF Catgirl ps you can only use this code ONCE! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 23:21:22 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: The buck starts here SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/28/00 10:31:23 PM US Central Standard Time, > michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: > > << my programming > aims at getting close to the sound of her guitar on the original > recording. >> > > Michael's work on the VG8 was SO wonderful, he inspired me to perform at > Jonifest 2000 in New Orleans. His set at Ashara's was INCREDIBLE!! I was > bawling like a baby and couldn't even look at another JMDL'er, I was so > moved. Those of you who have heard it know what I'm talking about...Joni > herself says that she loves to hear a male voice sing her songs, and Paz is > one of the best!! > > Bob > > Bob Bob I can't find your snail mail address where I can send you your check for shameless promotion of another lister. Thanks for the kind comments. I have not been playing much lately, but plan to start rehearsing my set and figuring out what I am going to play this year. I have a couple of duets and threesomes planned. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 00:36:04 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: VG-8 Info In a message dated 1/28/2000 11:48:18 PM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Joni herself says that she loves to hear a male voice sing her songs, and Paz is one of the best!! >> I'll second that. And Paz better do Song For Sharon again. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2000 21:40:32 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: More VG-8 102 Michael Paz wrote: > > Sue wrote: > "The Roland VG-8 is a synthesizer that allows Joni to store all her tunings > on a hard drive so the strings of her guitar are always tuned the same but > by programming the synthesizer she can make it sound like it's in one of > her 60 odd tunings (this saves her a lot of time by not having to re-tune > all the time). Another feature of the VG-8 is there are different "colors" > or sound textures that can be programmed. For example, the Harlem in > Havana "color" is called Crystal. There is also a "color" called Acoustic > Guitar but no matter how you program the VG-8 it will always have an > electronic sound to it. Are there any VG-8 players out there who would > like to elaborate? I've never had the privilege of playing one." > > Sue you have the gist of it, BUT IT IS NOT REALLY A GUITAR SYNTH! It is > a modeler and that means that they analyse the sound of say an acoustic > guitar and write the code for over 22,000 parameters to make it sound > like that Martin D whatever or Strat or Telecaster or Les Paul. You then > can choose (within the unit as part of the patch) a guitar amp and > speaker combination to go with your guitar. Then you can add effects, > tunings of course, you can name the patch say Song To Sharon, etc. I gotta jump in here. A synthesizer by definition makes sounds electronically rather than acoustically. And regard- less of the method of generating the sound (in this case, by analyzing a real sound and digitizing the information), it is still either (my theory anyway) 1 an acoustic instrument or 2 synthesizer of some sort, or 3 a sampler, which is actually a unit which plays back a digitally recorded sound or sounds. Admittedly, advanced technology like the VG-8 is blurring the borders, but unless someone can convince me otherwise, I think it's a synth. > could play you many of the sounds I have programmed onto a tape and play > it for you and you would not be able to tell it was all the same guitar. > BTW I am offering free lessons on VG-8 to anyone who comes to > JoniFest2000 in New Orleans. More exciting news coming soon about the > fest in May (and no it won't be Carly Simon). Have a great weekend. > > Michael > > NP-500 Miles High-Flora Purim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 00:37:24 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: VG8 Sound Catman wrote: << Is this VG8 thing why TTT sounds so odd and all the tracks sound similar? I listened to TTT this afternoon and I noticed this for the first time-that they all sound similar. The tracks also sound as if they are echoing (NO it is not my hifi). There is also this twanging sound going thru most tracks.What is a VG8? A synth of some sort? >> Taming The Tiger is Joni taming technology. For the first time she plays through a synthesizer on every song. TTT is yet another turning point in Joni's experimentation which has resulted in misunderstood masterpieces like Hejira, Mingus & Dog Eat Dog. I admit it took me dozens of listens to get into TTT but now I consider it among her top five albums. I love the crisp bell-like tone of her VG8. Her silky voice compliments the sound to a tee. Joni's lyrics are as wonderful & more down to earth than ever! Harlem In Havana, Love Puts On A New Face, Stay In Touch & Face Lift are as lyrically brilliant as anything she has ever composed IMO. I don't hear any troublesome twanging going on in any of the tracks. I do hear subtle texturing woven throughout which I find delightful & classically Joni. E.T. NP: TTT __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 00:01:48 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: More VG-8 204 Randy Remote wrote: > > Michael Paz wrote: > > > > Sue wrote: > > "The Roland VG-8 is a synthesizer that allows Joni to store all her tunings > > on a hard drive so the strings of her guitar are always tuned the same but > > by programming the synthesizer she can make it sound like it's in one of > > her 60 odd tunings (this saves her a lot of time by not having to re-tune > > all the time). Another feature of the VG-8 is there are different "colors" > > or sound textures that can be programmed. For example, the Harlem in > > Havana "color" is called Crystal. There is also a "color" called Acoustic > > Guitar but no matter how you program the VG-8 it will always have an > > electronic sound to it. Are there any VG-8 players out there who would > > like to elaborate? I've never had the privilege of playing one." > > > > Sue you have the gist of it, BUT IT IS NOT REALLY A GUITAR SYNTH! It is > > a modeler and that means that they analyse the sound of say an acoustic > > guitar and write the code for over 22,000 parameters to make it sound > > like that Martin D whatever or Strat or Telecaster or Les Paul. You then > > can choose (within the unit as part of the patch) a guitar amp and > > speaker combination to go with your guitar. Then you can add effects, > > tunings of course, you can name the patch say Song To Sharon, etc. > > I gotta jump in here. A synthesizer by definition makes > sounds electronically rather than acoustically. And regard- > less of the method of generating the sound (in this case, > by analyzing a real sound and digitizing the information), > it is still either (my theory anyway) > 1 an acoustic instrument or > 2 synthesizer of some sort, or > 3 a sampler, which is actually a unit which plays back > a digitally recorded sound or sounds. > Admittedly, advanced technology like the VG-8 is > blurring the borders, but unless someone can convince > me otherwise, I think it's a synth. > Hi Randy- Or 4- A modeler No where in the VG-8 manual does it call it a synth. I also happen to own the GR-1 Roland Guitar Synthesizer which is a synth. It allows me to have a palette of piano, string, brass, or any other synth sounds I want. I can also trigger my other keyboards and samplers with it. The VG-8 is based on VGM Variable Guitar Modeling VGM. Variable guitar modeling technology is capable of recreating the sounds of a large number of actual guitars that exist in the world today. This method of modeling is comprised of the following three parts. - -Electronic modeling, which simulates all characteristics which can be attributed to the use of vacuum tubes, transistors, and all other electronic circuitry. - -Magnetic Modeling, which simulates all the characteristics which can be produced as a result of using pick ups, transformers, speakers, and other electromagnetic parts (like microphones). - -Physical Modeling, which simulates all the characteristics that are produced as a result of the use of certain types of materials to make a guitar, including the kind of wood, metal parts, or finish that are used. There is also Composite Object SOund Modeling and Harmonic Restructure Modeling which has to do with creating new sounds never before heard like "Crystal" and the way one actually plays the guitar and its responses like vibrato, etc. There is so much more! Michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 00:57:57 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: My Top Five Joni (This Year) Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Turbulent Indigo For The Roses Hejira Taming The Tiger E.T. __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2000 01:43:14 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: My Top Five Joni (This Year) In a message dated 1/29/2000 1:34:18 AM Eastern Standard Time, ewwt@netzero.net writes: << Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Turbulent Indigo For The Roses Hejira Taming The Tiger E.T. >> Top Five (this year) Ladies of the Canyon Hissing Demos Turbulent Indigo Don Juan's Reckless Daughter For the Roses Catgirl ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #38 ******************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. 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