From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #33 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, January 27 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 033 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: BSN single? [Joseph Palis ] mingus and live albums ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Contributions ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Re: Crosby Article [w evans ] live vs. studio [Emily Kirk Gray ] Re: Contributions [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: live vs. studio [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Joni Sea Chanties? [Steve Dulson ] Greetings to Wally ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: Crosby Article [Mike Friedman ] RE: JMDL Digest V2000 #47 [Lindsay Moon ] Rolling Thunder Logbook [Deb Messling ] OOOPS! [Lindsay Moon ] Wally's letter [FMYFL@aol.com] tapes from jonifest at Ashara's ["Takats, Angela" ] Re: Live recordings vs. [Martin Giles ] Joni vs. Hurricane, The Globes and Companion [Bounced Message ] Living [michael w yarbrough ] Re: mingus and live albums [CaTGirl627@aol.com] A desperate plea!!!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: A desperate plea!!!! [Mike Friedman ] For Wally [luvart@snet.net] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #48 [Bounced Message ] Joni's magical voice [Bounced Message ] Wally B. ["Russell Bowden" ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #48 [CaTGirl627@aol.com] The new "Both Sides Now" hits the air in New York City ["Robert Paterson"] The James Rivers Movement (SJC) [Michael Paz ] After just reading Wally's letter... [MINGSDANCE@aol.com] Re: BSN ["Eric Taylor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:10:35 +0800 (JST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: BSN single? I for one would love to hear Joni's new BSN version played on mainstream radio. I don't mind her being sandwiched by the more popular singers because I think this would give her album and and her artistry wider mileage, and be appreciated by a great number of people. The idea of playing Joni between Whitney and Celine tickles me because of the three singers, its easy to imagine who the listeners will listen with concentration and attention. I noticed, too that singers not generally associated with the standards repertoire could sometimes go the heart of the song more than the more established theatre singers. Notably: Sinead O'Connor - Bewitched (Am I Not Your Girl) Carly Simon - Not A Day Goes By (Torch) Sheena Easton - If You Go Away (No Strings) Rickie Lee Jones - My Funny Valentine (Girl at Her Volcano) k.d. lang - Skylark (Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil soundtrack) Joseph > > Am I being a real snob hear by saying that I almost hope they don't release > a single? I agree with Bob - it makes my hair stand on end and my teeth > start grinding (ouch!) to think of Joni in there with Celine and Whitney and > maybe some of the girly guile types. There aren't a heckuva lot of stations > that play Joni's kind of music - what would you call it? Would you play it > on a jazz station? I'd love to see Joni have a major hit - I'd love to see > her make a lot of money - but the idea of her being one of those, uh, > commodities (?) is mind-boggling. On the one hand, a bunch of people who > may not have heard of her may be genuinely turned on to her music; on the > other hand, the sycophants parade... yeesh. > > Catherine (in Toronto) > cateri@hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 03:46:28 PST From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: mingus and live albums Driving to work this morning I was listening to the Mingus album. I've always loved it and can't understand why it has been the cause of such bad critics for Joni. It's jazzy, alright, but she was already including jazz in her previous albums. The musicians on Mingus are great and Joni's voice is at its best. I wish there was the possibility to listen to the original version of the album, the one that Joni tells about in the liner notes. About live albums, I have to say that I saw Joni for the first time on TV - I guess it was the S&L video - and I fell in love with her and her music, especially Amelia. So S&L has a special meaning to me, but I also think that no one can't deny it's a fantastic album. I know people, who are not very much into Joni's music, praising this album for the musicians and the overall performance. On the other hand, I see MOA as the end of the first JM era. After that album there's HOSL which opens up the doors to *another* Joni. MOA is "rocking and rolling" and I quite like the songs with the full band. But I do think that S&L comes from another planet. It's Joni at her best. Raffaele in London. - -God bless you Wally- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 04:38:09 PST From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Contributions Has anyone of you ever heard some of the Joni's contributions to other artists' albums? Graham Nash's "Wild Tales"? Daryl Hall's? Indio's? I was also wondering (Bob Muller, you may probably help) whether there's a CD/tape tree with all the contributions collected together, also including all the songs by Eric Andersen and Jimmy Webb where Joni has guest appearances. Raffaele in London - -God bless you Wally- ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 08:00:37 -0500 (EST) From: w evans Subject: Re: Crosby Article > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:36:52 -0800 > From: Mike Friedman > Subject: Re: Crosby Article > > I hope I don't get stoned for this, but I REALLY don't get the appeal of > Dylan. The music's great, and the poetry's wonderful, but I've NEVER sat > through a more painful concert than Dylan opening for Joni and Van Morrison > at UCLA in 1998. The audience was awful (loud and rude), and I couldn't > understand a SINGLE WORD the man said! It was more hideous than a junior > high school choir concert. Let Joan Baez sing his songs. A lot of people say this on this list. Best way to put it over is, that Dylan sings Dylan best because he has the most knowing and hip phrasing. That doesn't necessarily come over well in his recent concerts, although it does on the recent Time Out Of Mind, which is the first "old man's" rock album of his generation. What I mean by "knowing and hip" is.. well, think of the beat poets reciting their stuff. That's how Bob sings. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:45:42 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: live vs. studio hi everyone i, like someone else wrote, have loved this "live vs. studio" thread...one reason it's more difficult for me to love the live albums is because i am frustrated each time that i wasn't able to be there and really hear the live experience. so "live" albums to me don't really deliver what they promise. also, i love studio music because i like to think of an artist working in seclusion (or with other artists) for the sound of the music itself and not for applause and those velvet curtain calls. that way, i can imagine joni struggling and smiling with the joy of creation itself (the way i do? it's all a personal preference, i'm aware). that said, moments on S&L are breathtaking -- hearing "dry cleaner" and "in france they kiss on main street" in this form made me fall in love with those songs also, it's wonderful to hear her experimenting, using her art as art and not as artifact and "for free" on MOA is incredible -- but i'll take that, "rainy night house" and maybe the country "big yellow taxi" and leave the rest -- it's hard for me to hear so much cheese associated with joni, "of the moment" LAX or not... finally -- one sort of silly reason i love the live stuff is to be able to hear joni let go with one of her amazing, full-throated, wonderful laughs -- isn't it good to hear her laugh? - -- emily NP: Shadows & Light, of course! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:03:30 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Contributions Raffaelle asked: <> There's not one yet, but it's a great idea for a future project...On the tribute CD that I've been distributing, I added "Nexus" by Dan Fogelberg which is a gorgeous song on its own but features a pretty Joni "coda vocal". I'd be happy to work with any and all to gather up "Joni contribution" tunes and put 'em on a shared tree... Bob NP: J. Mellencamp, "Kind Of Fella I Am" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:22:20 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: live vs. studio Emily said: <> Joni to me is one of A FEW artists who can use both the studio AND the stage as an artistic medium. Rather than just a promotional tool, her performances are art too as she adds new instruments, arrangements, players, even new verses and phrasings...others who do this so well: Springsteen, Counting Crows, Dave Matthews... And then there are guys like the Allmans and Little Feat who seem to thrive and actually surpass their studio work in concert. <> Her laugh is extremely infectious, I can't help but laugh myself when I hear it! Bob NP: Pablo Cruise, "Part of the Game" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 07:52:48 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Joni Sea Chanties? John wrote: >"When is the Joni breathing Tape Tree is coming out?" and my fave, "When >are they releasing the Joni Sea Chanties?' Haul Away, Joni? Hanging Joni? Rollin' Down To Ol' Malibu? Joni's Gone To Hilo? ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:31:16 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Greetings to Wally Hi Wally, I'm the guy who's been wishing you well in his tag line! I want to thank you for introducing me (virtually) to Les, simon, and Ashara. The four of you have done extraordinarily good work in spreading Joni's music through the Discussion List, Tape Trees, and Video Trees. Thanks for inspiring the hostesses and hosts of all of the Joni Fests around the world. (Hi JulZie!) Through your creative spark, I've been able to put a face with a e-mail signature. More than that, I've been able to follow JoniFests that happen anywhere on the globe. Most of all, thank you for the rich tapestry that is the Joni Mitchell web site. Through your remarkable and generous gift of the web site, you have inspired a world-wide community in which we Listers all belong. It's exciting to think of all the new fans that will hit the site when "Both Sides Now" debuts in stores. Your counters will be spinning for sure!! God bless, Jim (wait for it......) ** Get well, Wally! ** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:26:02 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Crosby Article > > A lot of people say this on this list. Best way to put it over is, that > Dylan sings Dylan best because he has the most knowing and hip phrasing. > That doesn't necessarily come over well in his recent concerts, although > it does on the recent Time Out Of Mind, which is the first "old man's" > rock album of his generation. What I mean by "knowing and hip" is.. well, > think of the beat poets reciting their stuff. That's how Bob sings. I think I should probably listen to more of his albums (my lover is a fan), but that concert turned me off so much. He was singing as if he had mashed potatoes in his mouth. The most telling thing was the horrible people in front of us who came in late, loud and obviously drunk. They sat down just as Dylan was starting his 2nd song. The guy screamed out "Play 'Maggie's Farm'" and Sam leaned over to me and whispered "He just did." :-) Even the Dylan zealots couldn't tell. Perhaps he was pulling the wool over their eyes and was singing that day's weather report or obituaries from the LA Times. Mike ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 10:54:10 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: RE: JMDL Digest V2000 #47 Mike Friedman wrote: I hope I don't get stoned for this, but I REALLY don't get the appeal of Dylan. The music's great, and the poetry's wonderful, but I've NEVER sat through a more painful concert than Dylan opening for Joni and Van Morrison at UCLA in 1998. The audience was awful (loud and rude), and I couldn't understand a SINGLE WORD the man said! It was more hideous than a junior high school choir concert. Let Joan Baez sing his songs. Mike, count me in on this one! Ugh! When I saw Joni, Bob and Van at the Anaheim Pond, I vowed I would give Dylan at least one or two songs (the whole thing was so painful now I can't remember). I had to leave as soon as the song was over (and who knows what song it was -- you couldn't understand the words!) Lindsay in San Diego - -----Original Message----- From: JMDL Digest [SMTP:les@jmdl.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 12:00 AM To: joni-digest@smoe.org Subject: JMDL Digest V2000 #47 JMDL Digest Wednesday, January 26 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 047 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. - ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: - -------- the bells and cheesy ole canadian crappola (njc) [evian ] Winter Weather (or The Snow outside's delightful) (NJC) [evian ] Re: Crosby Article [Mike Friedman ] Blah Express. [Richard Rice ] Re: BSN single? [Joseph Palis ] Re: Applause Applause NJC [Joseph Palis ] - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:21:38 -0600 From: evian Subject: the bells and cheesy ole canadian crappola (njc) Catherine writes: > That song reminds me of another CanCon clunker called "Quiver" or "Stay with > me a while" by a group named the Bells, a tune I'd just as soon forget, > except that, in periods of stress, I get these audio flashbacks > - ---aaaaaaggggghhh! They make Terry Jacks look good. > OMG, THE BELLS!!! LOLOL!!! I remember when I was about 4 or 5... one of my sisters had the Bells on 8-track AND cassette, which freaks me out now because I didn't even realize cassettes were really "out" then. Anyway, "Stay a While" is just so hideous I love to hear it.... you know, it's so hokey and stupid, it never fails to make me laugh -- they were actually serious!!! And "Seasons in the Sun" is the grossest, most vile song ever recorded.... ugh, makes me want to spit. However, didn't Terry Jacks also do "Where Evil Grows" or whatever? I gotta admit... we had that 45 when I was also 4 or 5, and I loved it... along with.... get ready to laugh... "Which Way You Goin', Billy?" Did any of these, besides the hideous "Seasons in the Sun" get released in the States? Since we are on the subject, I'll also admit that I love Anne Murray's "Now and Forever" and "That's Not The Way it's Supposed to Be", another cheesy Canadian act. And, fellow Canadians, hold your laughter for this... I just ordered Platinum Blonde's Greatest Hits... LOLOL, I thought they were so cool when I was in grade 8... LOL! And, fellow listers, did Rough Trade ever get any airplay outside of Canada? I used to think Carolle Pope was the coolest thing since sliced bread. Evian, set adrift on memory bliss..... - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:34:28 -0800 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Most Depressing Song Since this topic is lingering, how about Richard Thompson's "I'll Be Taking My Business Elsewhere" or Billie Holiday's, "Strange Fruit." Leslie - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 00:34:39 -0600 From: evian Subject: Winter Weather (or The Snow outside's delightful) (NJC) Delusional Ashara (must be from the snow trauma) wrote: > As far as I'm concerned, we can have winter all > year round! You can have the hot, humid, sweltering stuff. Give me the beauty > of snow covered trees, the breathing in of freezing, crisp, clean air, and > the exhilaration of bombing down a sleek white mountain trail with two boards > strapped to your feet any day of the week! > Honey, I love ya, but come in out of the cold!!!!! Give me palm trees, the breathing in of warm, that-smell-of-concrete-right-before-it-rains air, the exhilaration of skinny-dipping on a clear, quiet night with no sounds except the call of the loons, a tan that takes away the ravages of winter, the joy of reading in the hammock, the need NOT to wear shoes outside, and cutting the lawn beats the hell out of shovelling snow! Well, that should be prefaced with "of course, if you don't have a/c, summer CAN be a tad shitty!" Ok, Ok, there are some joys of winter, like blizzardy Fridays and chinooks, but otherwise, you can keep it! Evian, who instead of going to bed, feels compelled to keep on postin'.... - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 02:10:30 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: BSN pre-order I ordered BSN ltd. ed. through Reprise and tried to ask customer service whether they were going to fill every order they got or were they "over-booking" like the airlines do and then would have to bump some orders after 15,000. They couldn't/wouldn't tell me. Anyone know for sure? Don't want to wait until I get their "Sorry, we are out of stock ... " email to scramble to get one, if even possible by that point. - - -Fred - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 01:59:16 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: BSN single? NJC Canadian Catherine queried (;~D) << I guess I didn't realize that *anyone* released singles anymore. i thought that died when 45s went away. >> Oh but some of the best mixes have been released on CD-singles! Bjork RULES in the remix department. Joni's *Big Yellow Taxi* CD-7 remixes are very impressive. My fav U2 & NIN tunes are remixed singles. & The Pet Shop Boys *Forthright Dub* mix of Somewhere is the greatest single Single that I've ever heard! E.T. __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html - ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:36:52 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Crosby Article > From: Mark or Travis > Reply-To: Mark or Travis > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:40:36 -0800 > To: Siresorrow@aol.com, Harpua@revealed.net, joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Crosby Article > > i think she is the most brilliant singer-songwriter of all. i >> mean, i love dylan. he's a good poet. but musically, she's light > years >> ahead of him, and that's what kicks it over the top for me. > > And I say Right on, David! I agree 200%! I hope I don't get stoned for this, but I REALLY don't get the appeal of Dylan. The music's great, and the poetry's wonderful, but I've NEVER sat through a more painful concert than Dylan opening for Joni and Van Morrison at UCLA in 1998. The audience was awful (loud and rude), and I couldn't understand a SINGLE WORD the man said! It was more hideous than a junior high school choir concert. Let Joan Baez sing his songs. - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 01:44:02 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: Blah Express. Hi all, Joni herself has made a few references admitting that the L.A. Express weren't the most 'with it' band around. But they helped her immesely at the time. It was the beginning of her finding back up artists who could handle her music with depth and class. Much of this is due to the sumpsuous efforts of Tom Scott and John Guerin; who are major talents, in my humblest opinion. John Guerin in particular added so much class and richness to her music. Not to mention I believe he 'erased a few lines on her face' with a few kisses and touch of his fingers. Even those of us who aren't even taken with him in those regards surely must admit his drumming on the Paprika Plains jam is absolutely mercurial!!! It is such a crisp, brilliant passage. Much of the jazzy textures in her transition period hang on his brilliant play. As much as I love Joan, I believe her 'expressive' tremolo (is this the right term? Paz, help?) borders on being a handicap. Especially true on Mingus, which I love. Her lapses in timing do not serve the music and her inflections were not state of the art. Beautiful as her voice is here, one would not mistake her for Sahrah Vaughn on this one. She is more radiant a singer when she has a great drummer to help keep her beat true. (Only Brian Blade equals the wonderful touch of John Guerin.) Check out the vast improvement between the tape tree material where she does one of her earliest takes of Mingus's music live, Dry Cleaner's From Des Moines on Mingus, and then on Shadows and Light. She is so bubbly and vibrant and 'on' the beat with SandL. Her growth as a singer has been breathtaking since. Even my bud, Richard, who is polite about Joan only out of kindness to me, was quite taken hearing her on Herbie Hancock's cd. There, she really brings a depth to her singing that ranks with the best of jazz interpreters. It's this growth of her's as a singer that has me so excited for BSN, in spite of it lacking... NJC, New Joni Content! Which REMINDS me, When I got my first tape tree material and played some very early joni stuff, Richard burst into gaffaws, shaming us all for playing stuff he felt Joni would NEVER want anyone to hear now. By his mind, he is grateful poets distroy the bad stuff as to protect it from what we are doing here. In any case, he is always teasing, wondering: "When is the Joni breathing Tape Tree is coming out?" and my fave, "When are they releasing the Joni Sea Chanties?' Bob? Ashara? Jim? Best to all. John, not Rich, wishing everyone well. Especially Wally. - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:35:14 +0800 (JST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: BSN single? > > BUT, other pop singer have done VERY well with similar albums in their careers... Carly Simon, Linda Ronstadt, Toni Tenille, Natalie Cole, for example. > > Jerry > Not to mention Rickie Lee Jones and Sheena Easton. Joseph - ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:47:21 +0800 (JST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: Applause Applause NJC I remembered being in a classical concert where members of the audience were told not to applaud in between movements. When the opening strains of Vivaldi's "Spring" was heard, the audience (mostly freshmen college students who were watching a clasical concert for the first time for their humanities class) cheered and applaud because they were able to connect with the commercial on TV that used Vivaldi's music. Realizing that they should not clap, the audience roared into self-censure sound and listened quietly until it was finished. I think the spontaneity of applause sounds more genuine and exhilirating beyond words. Joseph np: Harry Connick, Jr. "We are in Love" > > But with classical concerts, I wonder about the silences in between > movements where you Must Not Applaud. In general terms, classical music > is blighted by the idea that it's only for sophisticated people. And the > fact that there is this rule about applause at the concerts only serves > to reinforce that idea. I'm quite sure that amongst some concert goers, > (though I'm sure not of you Scott), there is also an element of, "Well > listen to those people clapping, they don't know that the piece isn't > over yet, unlike the rest of us who are SO much more knowledgeable. > Well, REALLY." - ------------------------------ End of JMDL Digest V2000 #47 **************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to - ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe joni-digest" to - ------- Siquomb, isn't she? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 14:04:42 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Rolling Thunder Logbook The following link appears to have the text (full?) of Sam Shepard's Rolling Thunder Logbook, with some Joni references: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Coffeehouse/2929/logbook.html The chapter simply titled "Joni Mitchell" read thusly: Here's someone who just appears, just walks out with a plain guitar, a beret, and a history of word collage. Every single time the place goes up in smoke like a brush fire. She stands there in the midst of it, making believe she's tuning an already well adjusted guitar until the place calms down. No doubt the element of surprise, of the audience not knowing she's on the bill, is partly responsible for the explosions, but there's something more important in it - the fact that people listen to her every word. Her music's nothing outrageous, but her word maneuverings tend to verge on uncanny. "I got a head full of quandry and a mighty, mighty, mighty thirst." She seems to have merged into a unique jazz structure with lyrics and rhythmic construction and even managed to bite the masses in the ear with it. There's no search engine and the chapter headings are cryptic, so I don't know where the other Joni references are, although I've heard there are a few. I have no idea who created this page or whether we can trust the transcription. But there it is. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:58:46 -0800 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: OOOPS! Well, silly computer dunderhead that I am did something wrong and replied to an email and ended up recopying the whole digest. I'm sorry! I repent! I will never do it again. But if I do, I will leave the list willingly; no need for Les to boot me! Again, my apologies! Lindsay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 16:26:00 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Wally's letter I tearfully just got through reading the letter Wally wrote on his (yes his) website. I'll never think of it as the Joni Mitchell homepage. To me it is and will always be Wally's webpage. And Wally, you say it's time to say good-bye, well I say see you later. I know Jim and the others will continue to run *your* website with the love and knowledge that you've shown them. You also say that hope your efforts have met with at least some success. Well, let me tell you "that is the biggest understatement in history"!!! There is not one person on this earth with a bigger heart, and that has given so much to a community than you. I know that Joni loves you too! I love you, and so does a million people around the world. Peace and Love to You, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 08:29:07 +1100 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: tapes from jonifest at Ashara's HELLO all you talented gorgeous listers The kind john from the Blue Mountains sent me a tape - thanks to the kind Kakki (I think?) of the jonifest recordings - WOW WOWeeee...I read so many posts about this bash , and about who sang at it, but now I really know what it was all about - WISH I WAS THERE...It sounds like you all had the most wonderful time...I'm glad to hear Ashara didn't forget about the great land 'down under' - hearing her reference to OZ in Carey - love your work Ashara! WOW Marian...I can't stop playing your take of the wolf song - you are so talented...can't wait to hear you perform live one day soon...and Brian, you funky thang!!...and Chuck, you remind me of Neil Young - (BTW, I LOVE NY) - loved your version of Rainy Night...and Wally - u crack me up...and all of you are just too gorgeous.....as I said, I wish I was there to sing a song or two Thanks all those who made that tape available/possible - - Ange Sydney (sorry I'm so 'behind the times' here guys) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:46:40 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: Live recordings vs. Mark Domyancich said in #46 > I've been listening to a lot of the L.A. Express stuff lately, and I > have to say that I really like their takes on some of Joni's songs. > Rainy Night House, for me, is better than on LOTC, For Free, with Tom > Scott's solo at the end gives me goosebumps... but Carey should have > been left alone! Is it only me, or is there something wrong with the clarinet's tuning, or intonation on For Free? I love that version of the song, but something about the tuning in the clarinet always bothers me. Sorry. atb, Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 11:02:00 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni vs. Hurricane, The Globes and Companion From: "Hobbs, Rick - TP2RDH" Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 09:45:58 -0800 Hello JMDL Gentle Readers: I was intrigued Sunday night by the celestial audience's ovation given to Hurricane Carter at the Golden Globes. This dude had them on their feet. Having always looked upon the 1970s cut of Hurricane as one of my all time favorite Dylan tunes, I have paid mild attention to the Hurricane story since. The intrigue, of which I write, came about from an interview JM did that was reprinted in the Companion (around page 148, I believe). JM, in paraphrase, said during the time of HOSL and her tour with the Rolling Thunder Review (Dylan/Baez) she spoke to Hurricane via telephone on several occasions. Her reaction was that he was a charlatan and opportunist. She also said she was the only one who felt that way. Well, she goes on to say, he was later freed from prison and the next day battered a woman. I re-read this excerpt from Companion this AM over coffee and reflected on Denzel's statement (in his best actor acceptance speech) that God is Love and Hurricane is Love. Could JM have been mistaken about the Hurricane? If not, well, its just one of those things that make you go hmmmm... With prayers for Wally, my best always. Rick Hobbs Hollywood, California USA ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:50:17 -0600 From: "Mark T. Domyancich" Subject: Re: Live recordings vs. I'll have to check the liner notes to see what instrument Tom is playing, but it may be a bass clarinet. At 8:46 PM +0000 1/26/00, Martin Giles wrote: >Is it only me, or is there something wrong with the clarinet's tuning, >or intonation on For Free? I love that version of the song, but >something about the tuning in the clarinet always bothers me. Sorry. Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:52:29 -0600 (CST) From: michael w yarbrough Subject: Living Dear Wally-- Art, for me, is about accessing the nethermost regions of human possibility. About those regions of experience that elude our grasp because of their height, their depth, their specificity or their complexity. Though the journey on which art takes us may be unsettling, uncomfortable, even depressing, the exploration is always an exaltation--a lifting up of ourselves, of humanity, of exploration itself. Wally, you are a work of art. Who would have imagined that genuine, emotional connections would multiply around the globe with such rapidity and strength? That something so seemingly trivial--common fandom of an artist virtually forgotten by the mainstream--could transcend cultdom and become instead a virtual lyceum? The Joni Mitchell Internet Community is more than a fan club, more than a clique, more then even a network of friendships. It is an educational institution in which we have all learned to love, to leap, to commit, to argue, to contend, defend and retract, and to understand each other and ourselves. Your simple, courageous decision has created a living, vital monument to art. No--it's not a monument to art. No mere representation or symbol, the Joni Mitchell Internet Community is art itself. When I contemplate the possibilities I have "discovered," the assumptions I have rejected, and the complexities I have unraveled only to be further baffled by them, (JC and otherwise) I become ineffably grateful for the gifts of the artists who have shared their work with us--Les, Joni, and you. How wonderful to create a work of art unsuited spatially, thematically or functionally for any mere museum. Your work is its own showcase, your friends and fellow fans its curators and creators. Wow. With love-- - --Michael "I miss you, but I haven't met you yet" --Bjork ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:09:18 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: mingus and live albums In a message dated 1/26/2000 6:49:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, r_malanga@hotmail.com writes: << About live albums, I have to say that I saw Joni for the first time on TV - - I guess it was the S&L video - and I fell in love with her and her music, especially Amelia. So S&L has a special meaning to me, but I also think that no one can't deny it's a fantastic album. I know people, who are not very much into Joni's music, praising this album for the musicians and the overall performance. >> I remember back in 10th grade, 1979, S&L came out on video and was shown on PRISM. We all went to this kids house who had PRISM and watched it. It was soo cool.!! I had been into Joni for about 3 years at that point and really enjoyed watching her live. A few months later I saw her at the Mann Music Center ( known previously as the Robinhood Del West.) What a show....nose bleed balcony and everything. I cried my eyes out when she did Big Yellow Taxi. I wanted the video for years and finally got in in 1989...10 years after.... Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:43:29 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: A desperate plea!!!! First of all, let me start by saying that I realize I am taking my life in my hands for not labeling this NJC, but I take that chance only because I am desperate. Maybe someone that is on the Joni-only list has some info on this. Yesterday, I woke up to my alarm clock playing a wonderful song . I called the station to find out what it was, and spent the better half of the day looking for this CD. It is out of print, and I am coming up with nothing. The CD is self-titled, by Brigid Boden. It was released by A & M records around 1997. I MUST have this CD!!!! If anyone has it, and would like to sell it, or make a copy for me, or know where I might be able to find it, PLEASE let me know!! THANK YOU!!! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 17:11:53 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: A desperate plea!!!! Have you tried the internet site "EveryCD.COM?" They claim that they can find things for you that are out of print. Also try Ebay or other auction sites? I'm finally getting my hands on Sandra Bernhard's first album which I've wanted for a long time, but it's out of print. (I never thought I'd pay $50 for a CD!) ============================================================= "I see the blue pools in the squinting sun and the hissing of summer lawns."--Joni Mitchell, 1975 Mike Friedman, San Francisco, CA, USA http://63.192.218.181 > From: AsharaJM@aol.com > Reply-To: AsharaJM@aol.com > Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 19:43:29 -0500 (EST) > To: joni@smoe.org > Subject: A desperate plea!!!! > > First of all, let me start by saying that I realize I am taking my life in my > hands for not labeling this NJC, but I take that chance only because I am > desperate. Maybe someone that is on the Joni-only list has some info on this. > > Yesterday, I woke up to my alarm clock playing a wonderful song . I called > the station to find out what it was, and spent the better half of the day > looking for this CD. It is out of print, and I am coming up with nothing. The > CD is self-titled, by Brigid Boden. It was released by A & M records around > 1997. I MUST have this CD!!!! If anyone has it, and would like to sell it, or > make a copy for me, or know where I might be able to find it, PLEASE let me > know!! THANK YOU!!! > > Hugs, > Ashara > www.photon.net/lightnet > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:42:44 -0500 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: For Wally Sir Wally, ALL MY LOVE .... Your friend, Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:54:09 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #48 Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:03:15 -0600 From: dave fairall / beth miller I'm new to the Digest but a lifelong Joni fan. Saw her at Yasgur's farm, (Day in the Garden), and again at College Park Md. last year, (couldn't sit through Dylan after hearing Joni and her great band) and I'll never be the same.....truly magical. Ordered one of Sue McNamara's pics for my brother's Christmas gift last year, and it's proudly displayed on his wall. Thanks Sue. Persuing the various posts, I'd like to chime in to say that as a musician, I too think S+L is her greatest accomplishment, although the entire body of work is just amazing. In particular the work of Jaco, Brecker and Metheny is very special on that record, (a desert island album) and I'd love to see her collaborate with Michael and Pat again, (maybe even some kind of tribute to Jaco). I once read an interview w/ Robben Ford who was quoted as saying that of all the musicians he's worked with in the past, Joni is the one he would love to record with again.... that would also be way cool.....Robben may be the best blues guitarist on the planet. Thanks, Dave Fairall Baltimore MD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:55:56 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni's magical voice From: Relayer211@aol.com Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:48:30 EST Many singers have beautiful voices.Karen Carpenter,Judy Collins,Barbra Streisand(Though she is too un.subtle for me),Aretha Franklin,Roberta Flack ect...but there is something unique and magical about Joni's voice that I don't hear in any other singer.I'm not sure what it is,maybe it's her canadian accent. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 20:09:37 PST From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Wally B. I have just finished reading Wally's message to us all. The bravery that this man has shown, and is showing now, is absolutely unbelievable. Such grace of spirit. I am overwhelmed. Love, Russ The light, creation's mind, was everywhere, and all things owned its power. Charles Dickens ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 23:16:52 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #48 In a message dated 1/26/2000 10:57:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << (a desert island album) and I'd love to see her collaborate with Michael and Pat again, (maybe even some kind of tribute to Jaco). >> I think THAT would be great! His death was so sad. I think that guy only was in jail for less then a year for beating him to death. I hope it haunts him for the rest of his life... : ( Catgirl I know I am being mean but what he did was horrible! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 18:43:22 -0500 From: "Robert Paterson" Subject: The new "Both Sides Now" hits the air in New York City Hello All: I can't remember if I've actually posted to this list before or not, but I have been lurking with great intensity lately to gather news about the new Joni album... ( and also to keep up with the news about Wally's health). So I thought I'd post that today I actually heard two cuts from the new Joni album on the radio in New York City. They were played on WFUV-FM ( 90.7) the college station of Fordham University - and the home of "Americana" radio in the NYC area. Rita Houston ( dj and bigtime Joni fan ) played both "Stormy Weather" and "A Case Of You" during the noon hour as part of FUV's "Warm-It-Up-Wednesday", where they play an hour of songs that are supposed help "warm-you-up" during the cold winter months. I was delighted with what I heard. I missed the first two thirds of "Stormy Weather" - but heard enough to appreciate that the new record is *not* going to sound like anything that came before - it has a really big sound, with a complex orchestration. I heard all of "A Case Of You" - Rita kinda teased the listeners before she played it by saying something like " And now... wait till you hear this! ". Again, there was a complex orchestral arrangement ... and the tempo was slower than the original ... and Joni was singing in a lower key ( I think). But I liked it very much. But from what I heard... I would describe this as a jazz record. It makes me wonder what that means about "where" and "if" it will get radio airplay. Hope so, anyway. Since WFUV apparently has a copy of the new album - I suspect that many other similar stations will get their copies soon. I know that one thing we on the list can do to help support Joni is to call or fax various radio stations and request that they play it. I've had good luck with requests via fax at FUV - so they'll be hearing from me again soon. Others on this list lucky enough to actually *have* a radio station that *might* play a cut from the new Joni are hereby encouraged to call up and request to hear it. And if you're successful maybe you could post to the list about it. My best to all on this list, and thanks for all the kind words about Wally... I have found reading them to be a very moving experience. At it's best, the Internet really can be an amazing way to bring people together. Bob Paterson ( bobpaterson@dellent.com ) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 22:53:52 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: The James Rivers Movement (SJC) Ashara wrote: " My 16 year old asked me today if I knew of any "jazz bagpipe" artists. I didn't, but I thought I might ask about 600 of my nearest and dearest friends if they knew of anything like this. ;-)" Ashara Dear, Check out the James Rivers Movement from none other than New Orleans. He has been a couple of Clint Eastwood movies and done music for the movies. He plays a mean bagpipe, I may have video footage of such on JukeBox. As you know Clint is Kyles ... and Kyle Joni Larry... I also went to high school in the Blue Ridge Mountains of NC, what a glorious place. Love, Paz NP-Comes Love (nothing can be done) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 00:26:22 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Buying Both Sides Now from Reprise Records You can order the soon-to-be-released collector's edition of "Both Sides Now" from Reprise directly. Click through the slide show that starts on: http://www.repriserec.com/jonimitchell/index2.html My initial thought was to buy from my local electronics store but tonight I was ceased by fear that it will sell out. Probably a silly notion given Joni's track record, right? :-D All the best, Jim ** Get well, Wally!!** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 21:51:27 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: The new "Both Sides Now" hits the air in New York City NYC Bob wrote: <> Wonderful, wonderful!!!! (even though I'm so jealous I can't see straight ;-) The radio station in Portland OR (KINK), that I know will be playing her, hasn't gotten it yet. But they've been priming everybody for Joni's BSN for awhile now. Geez, they've been playing Steely Dan's new one for what seems like ages. I wonder why Reprise is taking so long to get BSN promos out? hmmm. Like the DJ you heard, maybe we're being teased into a frenzy! ;~) After all, it is a very romantic theme. Does anybody else get an little rush or sense of proud pleasure when our Joan get airplay? My kids are even like, "Mom, listen, that's auntie Joni on the radio!" ;-) And the anticipation for BSN continues to build...... Blessings, Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 00:58:31 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: Wally's Letter; request hi everyone i have a request -- could someone copy and paste the letter from wally that's up on the site and send it to me? privately, if you wish -- or maybe someone could just post it to the list? it's irritating, i know...i wonder if i'm the only one with email but no internet access...(and my friends with office jobs are SO sick and tired of my "can you just check one thing for me on the joni web site?" emails) thanks in advance i appreciate it! - -- emily NP: quiet brooklyn neighborhoody sounds...time for bed! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:05:29 EST From: MINGSDANCE@aol.com Subject: After just reading Wally's letter... Through the lump in my throat, the pounding of my heart, and the tears welling in my eyes, I would like to Welcome Jim as the new CEO of the Joni Mitchell Homepage, and to offer any support that I can muster up, at any time needed, even now, and Wally can rest peacefuly knowing Jim's effort is a total extention of his love and good judgement concerning all things " Joni ". Love from, Mingus NP "A Chair in the sky" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2000 01:58:10 -0800 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: BSN Catman opined: << I am dreading this release really. I just can't imagine Joni being able to sing these songs. I don't see Joni as a singer, rather as a songwriter at which she excels. maybe years ago she could sing but judging my TTT and PWWAM she can't anymore. Not that it matters. The last time she sang and sounded like she could was on WTRF, IMO. To me certainly on NRH TI and TTT her voice really suits the work. I just can't imagine her singing singers songs. >> I removed NJC from the subject line because this is definitely JC IMO. Catman has shared this sorry sentiment before & I can't disagree more! Like most great singers Joni's voice has become richer & subtler over the years. When I listen to Judy or Barbra or Joni in their early years the pure perfection of the singing can actually get on my nerves after a while. Especially Barbra! I have friends who can't tolerate Joni's early soprano but get into her later works. To me Joni's voice sounds best on Turbulent Indigo (Last Chance Lost in particular). The silky edge & feeling phrasing of her recent vocals surpasses Billie Holliday's entire career! & if Comes Love from PWWAM is any indication, BSN will be up there with Barbra's Broadway, Carly's Torch & Judy's Carnegie Hall comeback. Since you also don't like Mingus, Catman, perhaps it's not Joni's voice that you don't like. I suspect you just don't have an ear for great jazz. ;~* E.T. NP: Last Chance Lost P.S. As this was playing my partner June stuck her head in the door & said: *Now those are the songs of her's I like.* BTW, June considers Joni's pre-Hejira albums *country music.* __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #33 ******************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?