From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #32 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, January 26 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 032 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: MOA [philipf@tinet.ie] Companion in Canada [evian ] Re: MOA and LAX ["Jackie Leve" ] Most Depressing Song [Leslie Mixon ] BSN pre-order [FredNow@aol.com] Re: Crosby Article [Mike Friedman ] Blah Express. [Richard Rice ] Re: BSN single? [Joseph Palis ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 21:29:47 -0000 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: MOA I love MOA. I play it more often than S+L. The live versions of Rainy Night House and For Free made LOTC pretty much redundant for me. Back then in the rock era there was still a lot of barriers between different types of music and jazz was alien to most of us. It was quite startling to see her up there without her guitar rocking and jazzing with a band. Philip - thinking about Wally a lot and praying he gets well. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:58:24 -0600 From: evian Subject: Companion in Canada > Have any Canadian list members gotten a copy of The Joni Mitchell > Companion yet? The Indigo and Chapters websites list the title as being > ready to ship in 24 hours, but so far the book hasn't appeared in their > Toronto stores. > Well, a few weeks ago, Chapters still had the JM Companion listed as $35, and since they said it was available since June, which we all know was wrong, I emailed them and told them that their info. was wrong, and I also told them that Indigo was selling it for $22, so they emailed me back and said that they were lowering the price, but that it would still have a shipping time of 3-5 weeks because it wasn't in their warehouse or something. So, I ordered it from Indigo last week during my weekly online compulsive book ordering spree, since they said it shipped in 24 hours, but they told me that since it was also not in their warehouse, it would be delayed. I received most of my other order on Monday, but alas, not the Companion. So, I am waiting.... and waiting... and waiting.... I also looked in McNally Robinson (a prairie mega-bookstore like Indigo and Chapters) and they didn't have it in stock either, but, last week, they had it listed on their website as in stock, and they have free shipping, so check it out (I ordered it from Indigo because I had a coupon burning a hole in my email!), and maybe it will still be available there -- www.mcnallyrobinson.com. Titles in S'toon didn't have the book either -- they had it on order, but didn't know when it would show up. Evian, who for some reason didn't get the damn digest again today -- you know you are a jmdl-aholic when you go to the website archives just to check and see if there was a digest that you didn't get! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:47:38 -0800 From: "Jackie Leve" Subject: Re: MOA and LAX The Gift of Insults There once lived a great warrior. Though quite old, he still was able to defeat any challenger. His reputation extended far and wide throughout the land and many students gathered to study under him. One day an infamous young warrior arrived at the village. He was determined to be the first man to defeat the great master. Along with his strength, he had an uncanny ability to spot and exploit any weakness in an opponent. He would wait for his opponent to make the first move, thus revealing a weakness, and then would strike with merciless force and lightning speed. No one had ever lasted with him in a match beyond the first move. Much against the advice of his concerned students, the old master gladly accepted the young warrior's challenge. As the two squared off for battle, the young warrior began to hurl insults at the old master. He threw dirt and spit in his face. For hours he verbally assaulted him with every curse and insult known to mankind. But the old warrior merely stood there motionless and calm. Finally, the young warrior exhausted himself. Knowing he was defeated, he left feeling shamed. Somewhat disappointed that he did not fight the insolent youth, the students gathered around the old master and questioned him. "How could you endure such an indignity? How did you drive him away?" "If someone comes to give you a gift and you do not receive it," the master replied, "to whom does the gift belong?" Killerbutterfly www.killerbutterfly.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: Deb Messling To: Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 4:33 PM Subject: Re: MOA and LAX > Excuse me??!!! I do not "disapprove of LA Express, I just dislike them, as > I am entitled to, and I don't appreciate being called names. Sheesh. > > > > >I think we have a bunch of fussy in-laws in the JMDL, disapproving of LA > >Express, or disapproving of Larry Klien, or whoever she plays with. > > > Deb Messling > messling@enter.net > http://www.enter.net/~messling/ > > I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. > - Joni Mitchell > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 22:34:28 -0800 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Most Depressing Song Since this topic is lingering, how about Richard Thompson's "I'll Be Taking My Business Elsewhere" or Billie Holiday's, "Strange Fruit." Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 02:10:30 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: BSN pre-order I ordered BSN ltd. ed. through Reprise and tried to ask customer service whether they were going to fill every order they got or were they "over-booking" like the airlines do and then would have to bump some orders after 15,000. They couldn't/wouldn't tell me. Anyone know for sure? Don't want to wait until I get their "Sorry, we are out of stock ... " email to scramble to get one, if even possible by that point. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 23:36:52 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Crosby Article > From: Mark or Travis > Reply-To: Mark or Travis > Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:40:36 -0800 > To: Siresorrow@aol.com, Harpua@revealed.net, joni@smoe.org > Subject: Re: Crosby Article > > i think she is the most brilliant singer-songwriter of all. i >> mean, i love dylan. he's a good poet. but musically, she's light > years >> ahead of him, and that's what kicks it over the top for me. > > And I say Right on, David! I agree 200%! I hope I don't get stoned for this, but I REALLY don't get the appeal of Dylan. The music's great, and the poetry's wonderful, but I've NEVER sat through a more painful concert than Dylan opening for Joni and Van Morrison at UCLA in 1998. The audience was awful (loud and rude), and I couldn't understand a SINGLE WORD the man said! It was more hideous than a junior high school choir concert. Let Joan Baez sing his songs. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 01:44:02 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: Blah Express. Hi all, Joni herself has made a few references admitting that the L.A. Express weren't the most 'with it' band around. But they helped her immesely at the time. It was the beginning of her finding back up artists who could handle her music with depth and class. Much of this is due to the sumpsuous efforts of Tom Scott and John Guerin; who are major talents, in my humblest opinion. John Guerin in particular added so much class and richness to her music. Not to mention I believe he 'erased a few lines on her face' with a few kisses and touch of his fingers. Even those of us who aren't even taken with him in those regards surely must admit his drumming on the Paprika Plains jam is absolutely mercurial!!! It is such a crisp, brilliant passage. Much of the jazzy textures in her transition period hang on his brilliant play. As much as I love Joan, I believe her 'expressive' tremolo (is this the right term? Paz, help?) borders on being a handicap. Especially true on Mingus, which I love. Her lapses in timing do not serve the music and her inflections were not state of the art. Beautiful as her voice is here, one would not mistake her for Sahrah Vaughn on this one. She is more radiant a singer when she has a great drummer to help keep her beat true. (Only Brian Blade equals the wonderful touch of John Guerin.) Check out the vast improvement between the tape tree material where she does one of her earliest takes of Mingus's music live, Dry Cleaner's From Des Moines on Mingus, and then on Shadows and Light. She is so bubbly and vibrant and 'on' the beat with SandL. Her growth as a singer has been breathtaking since. Even my bud, Richard, who is polite about Joan only out of kindness to me, was quite taken hearing her on Herbie Hancock's cd. There, she really brings a depth to her singing that ranks with the best of jazz interpreters. It's this growth of her's as a singer that has me so excited for BSN, in spite of it lacking... NJC, New Joni Content! Which REMINDS me, When I got my first tape tree material and played some very early joni stuff, Richard burst into gaffaws, shaming us all for playing stuff he felt Joni would NEVER want anyone to hear now. By his mind, he is grateful poets distroy the bad stuff as to protect it from what we are doing here. In any case, he is always teasing, wondering: "When is the Joni breathing Tape Tree is coming out?" and my fave, "When are they releasing the Joni Sea Chanties?' Bob? Ashara? Jim? Best to all. John, not Rich, wishing everyone well. Especially Wally. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 15:35:14 +0800 (JST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: BSN single? > > BUT, other pop singer have done VERY well with similar albums in their careers... Carly Simon, Linda Ronstadt, Toni Tenille, Natalie Cole, for example. > > Jerry > Not to mention Rickie Lee Jones and Sheena Easton. Joseph ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #32 ******************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?