From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #31 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, January 26 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 031 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Live recordings vs. [Deb Messling ] Re: Laugh Track [Deb Messling ] BSN single? [Deb Messling ] BSN Reprise site ["Jamie Zubairi" ] Re: Live recordings vs. [Chris Marshall ] BSN Promos ["Chuck EIsenhardt" ] Re: BSN single? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: BSN single? [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Laugh Track [Susan McNamara ] Re: Rude concert goers [Jerry Notaro ] FW: Live recordings vs. ["Ross, Les" ] Re: BSN single? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni's music is universal! [Susan McNamara ] Re: "The Jungle line" is progressive! [Susan McNamara ] Companion in Canada? [James Leahy ] Re: BSN single? [Deb Messling ] Re: BSN single? ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: BSN single? [Phyliss Ward ] Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #44 [Stacey4882@aol.com] Re: BSN single? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] MOA [Steve Dulson ] Re: BSN single? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Laugh Track ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: BSN single? ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Companion in Canada? ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: BSN single? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Continuing Irony? [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Crosby Article [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: BSN single? ["Kakki" ] Re: BSN single? [SMEBD@aol.com] RE BSN Single [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: MOA ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Dear Wally, [AsharaJM@aol.com] Re: Joni's music is universal! [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: BSN single? ["Catherine McKay" ] Painting and Music DVD - trying again [Bounced Message ] Re: Dear Wally, [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Companion in Canada? [julius.kalcevich@ac.com] Re: Crosby Article ["Mark T. Domyancich" ] Joni in Detroit 1960s [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Live recordings vs. ["Mark T. Domyancich" ] Re: Crosby Article [Siresorrow@aol.com] MOA/LAX [w evans ] Painting and Music DVD ["Iain Mackenzie" ] Re: Painting and Music DVD ["Kakki" ] MOA and LAX [Vince Lavieri ] Re: MOA and LAX [Deb Messling ] RE: BSN single? ["patrick leader" ] If it weren't for Wally ... [Steve Dulson ] Re: Joni's music is universal! ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Crosby Article ["Mark or Travis" ] Wally, oh Wally.... [Jason Maloney ] Re: [JoniMitchellfans] more pics!!! [CaTGirl627@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 06:03:47 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Live recordings vs. I'm usually in the anti-live-album camp, but I'll take Joni any way I can. My problem with MOA is the band, for the most part. I agree that her solo songs are vibrant and lovely (esp. the Blue stuff), but to my ears the band sounds a bit schlocky. They murdered Rainy Night House, IMO. At 02:38 PM 1/25/00 +1100, you wrote: >"A Case Of You" It's almost as though this song has matured like a good >wine! Joni noticeably reduces the tempo of this song, her voice has matured >and has more depth than when she recorded the original. The live version on >MOA was the version that actually turned me on to this song! Judging from the Reprise sound clip, the above comment applies a thousand-fold to the NEWEST version. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 06:05:45 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Laugh Track Gomer Pyle! This was one of the questions on the Joni trivia quiz awhile back that few particpated in because it was "too difficult." Can you imagine a Joni trivia quiz too difficult for this bunch??? At 11:16 PM 1/24/00 -0500, you wrote: >For 10 points, and the championship, who was the third person mentioned in >the quote above? I'll give you a hint: It's a fictitious character from >American pop culture. No cheating! Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 06:07:04 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: BSN single? Does anyone have inside knowledge of any plans to release a single off BSN? Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:46:49 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: BSN Reprise site Dear folks I went to the BSN site at Reprise and I can't seem to access the soundclips. What format are they in? I found them quite easily but... I'm not sure what software is necesssary to open them up! Please help me. You're my only hope. Jamie Zoob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:24:29 -0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Re: Live recordings vs. On Monday, January 24, 2000 8:51 PM, Russell Bowden [SMTP:rustytrazom@hotmail.com] wrote: > So I am at Barnes & Noble this weekend with enough $$ for ONE CD.. > I have my choices narrowed down to around 5 titles/artists. Since I have > all the Joni studio recordings, I took a long look at S&L. Suffice it to > say that after looking at the track titles, I had to go with Rachmaninov's > Vespers (All Night Vigil)...the Robert Shaw recording. > > I'm with Colin on this one. the live recordings JUST DON'T CUT IT!! > Of course, being at a concert is another thing...or even video, but I am not > a fan of the live recordings...even operas!! S&L is one of those things that you really should get, IMHO. The band Joni assembled there was truly world class, and streets ahead of the MOA band. I have live recordings of many artists, but S&L is the one that stands out, where the songs take on new life in their live incarnations. - --Chris Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd Web: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 E-mail: chris@secure-si.co.uk PGP key: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/chris/pubkey.txt Fingerprint: 49F7 5132 C599 6ADC 47E7 844E A612 3F53 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 07:31:04 -0500 From: "Chuck EIsenhardt" Subject: BSN Promos I called Boston's WUMB a few days ago to ask about BSN and they had not (and still not) received an advanced copy for airplay. Marilyn Rae said that they typically go out to the press before the radio outlets. Any friends in the music press? ChuckE ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:18:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN single? Deb asked: <> I'd be REAL surprised...there wasn't a single from TTT, was there? And that was a more "Pop" record...which market would play a single from BSN? Adult Easy Listening stations, perhaps...what a ghastly thought, to hear Joni sandwiched in between Celine Dion and some other MOR crooner... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:37:53 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: BSN single? SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > Deb asked: > > <> > > I'd be REAL surprised...there wasn't a single from TTT, was there? And that was a more "Pop" record...which market would play a single from BSN? Adult Easy Listening stations, perhaps...what a ghastly thought, to hear Joni sandwiched in between Celine Dion and some other MOR crooner... BUT, other pop singer have done VERY well with similar albums in their careers... Carly Simon, Linda Ronstadt, Toni Tenille, Natalie Cole, for example. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:39:42 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Laugh Track >For 10 points, and the championship, who was the third person mentioned in >the quote above? I'll give you a hint: It's a fictitious character from >American pop culture. No cheating! GOMER PYLE! ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:44:04 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Rude concert goers Walter R Rodgers III wrote: > I recall at Joni and Bob's MSG show there were two women a row in front of me who talked (more like yelled) into each others' ear during most of Joni's performance. God only knows what could have been so important that it was worth yelling about for an hour, but Joni definately noticed and shot them a few cold looks. Didn't say a word to them, but if looks could kill... During The Rolling Thunder Review tour I sat waiting all evening for Joni's turn. It was great to see Bob, Joan, et al, but it was Joni I was waiting for. As soon as she came on these two girls behind me starting gabbing away about some term paper they were working on. When turning around and giving dirty looks didn't seem to stop them, I did a flame thrower, a al Ally McBeal. I was a little surprised at myself, but it sure did work. Joni made me do it: ) Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:43:10 -0000 From: "Ross, Les" Subject: FW: Live recordings vs. On Monday, January 24, 2000 8:51 PM, Russell Bowden [SMTP:rustytrazom@hotmail.com] wrote: > So I am at Barnes & Noble this weekend with enough $$ for ONE CD.. ......I took a long look at S&L. Suffice it to > say that after looking at the track titles, I had to go with Rachmaninov's > Vespers (All Night Vigil)...the Robert Shaw recording. > > I'm with Colin on this one. the live recordings JUST DON'T CUT IT!! > Of course, being at a concert is another thing...or even video, but I am not > a fan of the live recordings...even operas!! Chris said.... >S&L is one of those things that you really should get, IMHO. The band >Joni assembled there was truly world class, and streets ahead of the >MOA band. >I have live recordings of many artists, but S&L is the one that stands out, >where the songs take on new life in their live incarnations. I agree with Chris on the quality of the band but feel that each were among the best at their time. I remember thinking that the LA Express were deliciously 'shiney' and 'LA' and very much of the moment. I'm not sure I'm damning with faint praise here. The S&L band are from another planet entirely of course, the members being still among the best around imho. There are points on S&L that I feel that band sound overwhelms Joni and that the quality of her voice is strained and hard and that the warmth and ease, present in the studio recordings, absent. Just a feeling. I think this is best illustrated in the Amelia/Pat/Hejira where the musical accompaniment is cut out, so much more of her voice just pours out of the speakers. That said, Edith and the Kingpin is brilliant especially the 'almost naf' boogie bit in the middle. Les (London) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:45:28 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN single? <> Agreed, I know the record will be well-received, and HOPE it will be HUGE. I'm already laughing thinking about all the "Comeback of the Year" comments that will undoubtedly be made, when we all know that Joni's never left! But the market this will be in is not a "singles" market, that's all I was saying... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:48:50 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Joni's music is universal! > I know one of the critisisems of Joni Mitchell's songs is that >they are too self absorbed,narcissistic,but I really don't believe that is >even 1% true.My theory is that the more detailed and personal a work of art >is the more universal it is at the same time.By Joni talking about her own >highly personal,individual,feelings she is inviting the listener to identify >with her and apply her songs to their lives,and in that sense she is far from >narcissistic.Her songs help many more people then songs by people who write >vague,abstract lyrics about "outside" stuff that noone can apply to their own >lives. True!!! The lines: "I am a lonely painter, I live in a box of paints, I'm frightened by the devil and drawn to those who ain't afraid" changed my life. I remember doing a self-portrait while listening to Blue when I was 16. I felt like Joni Mitchell was the only person on earth who understood why I cried for apparently no reason. I remember someone saying to me "why do you paint so many self-portraits, are you stuck on yourself or something?" That (and other issues of shame) put me into a painter's block that I've been trying to get out of for the last 25 years. All painters, writers and musicians must peel back the layers to get to the truth of who they are. Take care, Sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:58:31 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: "The Jungle line" is progressive! Relayer: I should have known you were prog by your sig: I've always considered Joni progressive. My favorite music when I started getting into her in the early 70s was Yes, Jethro Tull, ELP, King Crimson, Peter Gabriel-era Genesis, The Who, etc. I felt Joni was a good fit there because the underlying driving force of progressive music was the classical symphonic writing styles: rock operas, theme albums, etc. I've always felt that For the Roses should be listened to like a symphony. Judgement of the Moon and the Stars! Take care, Sue PS I was listening to Pictures at an Exhibition this morning in my car (ELP) > I asked the progressive rock music newsgroup if "The Jungle line" was >progresive,and they said yes! ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:16:26 -0500 From: James Leahy Subject: Companion in Canada? Have any Canadian list members gotten a copy of The Joni Mitchell Companion yet? The Indigo and Chapters websites list the title as being ready to ship in 24 hours, but so far the book hasn't appeared in their Toronto stores. Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:56:09 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: BSN single? >But the market this will be in is not a "singles" market, that's all I was saying... I think Bob's probably right. I don't hear a single, particularly. But as far as markets: I'm wondering if this record will hit with those twenty-somethings like my nieces and nephews who are smoking cigars and drinking martinis and listening to Frank Sinatra...or is that fad over already? Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 10:22:30 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: BSN single? I hope time proves you wrong :) BSN is a very popular "tune" and might very well chart on the Adult Contemporary list. Though most will opt for buying the album, many radio play lists are geared by plays and requests. Jerry On Tue, 25 Jan 2000, Deb Messling wrote: > > >But the market this will be in is not a "singles" market, that's all I was > saying... > > > I think Bob's probably right. I don't hear a single, particularly. But as > far as markets: I'm wondering if this record will hit with those > twenty-somethings like my nieces and nephews who are smoking cigars and > drinking martinis and listening to Frank Sinatra...or is that fad over > already? > > > > Deb Messling > messling@enter.net > http://www.enter.net/~messling/ > > I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. > - Joni Mitchell > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 07:56:53 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: BSN single? Deb Messling wrote: > I think Bob's probably right. I don't hear a single, particularly. Having been lucky enough to hear the whole CD, one song stuck out for me as a perfect single - especially for the 'smooth jazz' type stations that are around. It's "I Wish I Were in Love Again". It is very upbeat and catchy. - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:02:25 EST From: Stacey4882@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V2000 #44 Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2000 18:57:45 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni Mitchell Companion Finally, finally, after ordering it weeks ago the Joni Mitchell Companion arrived at my door today. Wow, wow, wow! It is absolutely fantastic and so well done. This is the best book on Joni that I've seen. I was also so surprised and happy to see a prominent nod given to Wally, Les and all of us in the Acknowledgments page! Brilliant choice of articles included and there are new photos that I've never seen before. Thank you Stacy for such a beautiful book! Kakki Thanks so much for letting me know you're enjoying the book, Kakki. If you (or any other jmdler) would like to post your thoughts in a review on Amazon.com, I'd very much appreciate it. Vince wrote a glowing first review (thank you!), but today I saw a review, posted first because it's the most recent, that kind of broke my heart. I wouldn't have minded so much if he hadn't liked the choice of articles, or the order, or the headnotes, etc. (Well, yeah, I would have minded, but I would have taken responsibility for it.) But he slammed the book for the mistake about the picture of Rickie Lee Jones where a picture of Joni ought to be. I didn't do the photo research. In fact, I was "allowed" to see the book only once in the production process, early on, and not again until it was completed. (If I had seen it later, you better believe I also would have changed the typo in my name on the book's cover.) I hate seeing the book slammed for something over which I had no control (though of course, the reviewer reviews the book, not the process.) Nonethless, if you or anyone else have a few moments to post your thoughts on Amazon, I'd much appreciate it. Thanks again, Stacey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:03:06 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN single? <> Yes, Stephen, but remember you're in NYC where you have your CHOICE of jazz stations. Here in the boonies the closest thing we have to jazz on the radio is when the "modern rock" station plays Big Bad Voodoo Daddy! <> Sounds pretty blissful to me! Bob (not Dylan) NP: Stones, "Under My Thumb" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 08:14:34 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: MOA Catherine wrote: >I get really irritated with people who start clapping and cheering when a >song starts and they recognize it. and SueMac wrote: >Yes, it was me screaming "Joni you're a genius, Joni your're a genius!" >during Slouching Toward Bethlehem at the Day in the Garden. Catherine must really hate my "Whooooo!" at the begining of "Cold Blue Steel And Sweet Fire" on MOA! Hehehehehehe..... ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:11:39 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN single? <> Boy, my Dad would be in 7th heaven to see a Rodgers & Hart tune on the hit parade! I was already planning to give him a copy of the CD for this tune alone... Anybody know what Broadway show this one's from? (A Clue: the answer is NOT Gomer Pyle! :~D) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:27:01 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Laugh Track >Catherine noted the goofball on the Miles Of Aisles session: > > > "Joni, you're better than Mick Jagger, Richard Nixon and > > [someone else that didn't fit] rolled into one!" in MOA. At > > least Joni laughed. > >For 10 points, and the championship, who was the third person mentioned in >the quote above? I'll give you a hint: It's a fictitious character from >American pop culture. No cheating! I listened to it again yesterday, so now I know! Jeez, how could I forget? I wonder if anyone outside North America, or younger than, what 35? (you never know - there are TV channels that play this kind of stuff ad nauseum) would get it though! Hint # 2 - it is NOT Gilligan, or anyone else from the island! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:40:49 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: BSN single? > > Deb asked: > > > > <BSN?>> > > Bob responded: > > I'd be REAL surprised...there wasn't a single from TTT, was there? And >that was a more "Pop" record...which market would play a single from BSN? >Adult Easy Listening stations, perhaps...what a ghastly thought, to hear >Joni sandwiched in between Celine Dion and some other MOR crooner... And Jerry added: >BUT, other pop singer have done VERY well with similar albums in >their >careers... Carly Simon, Linda Ronstadt, Toni Tenille, Natalie >Cole, for >example. Am I being a real snob hear by saying that I almost hope they don't release a single? I agree with Bob - it makes my hair stand on end and my teeth start grinding (ouch!) to think of Joni in there with Celine and Whitney and maybe some of the girly guile types. There aren't a heckuva lot of stations that play Joni's kind of music - what would you call it? Would you play it on a jazz station? I'd love to see Joni have a major hit - I'd love to see her make a lot of money - but the idea of her being one of those, uh, commodities (?) is mind-boggling. On the one hand, a bunch of people who may not have heard of her may be genuinely turned on to her music; on the other hand, the sycophants parade... yeesh. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 16:50:49 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Companion in Canada? Jim asked: >Have any Canadian list members gotten a copy of The Joni Mitchell >Companion yet? The Indigo and Chapters websites list the title as being >ready to ship in 24 hours, but so far the book hasn't appeared in their >Toronto stores. I haven't tried yet (too broke for now and looking for a second part-time job!) From what I've read of Indigo and/or Chapters (who are, incidentally, looking for help in their on-line division!), even if they *say* they can ship within 24 hours, I understand they're having a hard time keeping up with the demands of online ordering - seems they're getting more business than they were expecting (?) I read a few weeks ago in one of the papers that they even had the president into the warehouse packing orders trying to keep up with demand. Typically Canadian, eh? Never prepared! I haven't bothered going into the Indigo nearby (mall-phobia!) but don't you find that the people that work in those kind of stores always look really cute and perky, but most of them haven't read many books. They'd look it up on the computer for you, sure, but make sure they've got the name spelled right, 'cos they won't have a clue who/what you're talking about. I usually try to buy Canadian but if you want this kind of thing hot off the press, unfortunately, you're probably going to get it faster by ordering from the Yanks. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:51:34 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN single? <> Y'all have to make the distinction between "single" and "airplay"...I'm sure the record, as gorgeous as it is, will get *airplay*. But I'm equally sure that there won't be any "singles" culled from it. Next time you're in the store, LOOK and see who releases CD and cassette singles, it's NOT artists like Joni. That's kinda like thinking that MTV would play a video from BSN...it just ain't her market. Granted, I'd love to see a single, especially if she added some "Non-LP" stuff to it! Bob NP: John Mellencamp, "The Authority Song" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:08:14 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Continuing Irony? Hi Y'all! Last week when we were all (except Don and Paz ;-) watching Dawson's Creek to catch Joni's new BSN, the more observant listers noticed an ad for the Jonified title of the new Freddie Prince Jr movie, Down To You. Well, our oldest daughter went to see that movie with friends this weekend and said there was another Joni link in it. Carly came home and said the main female character was an artist of album covers and that they showed her working on what looked like a carbon copy of Joni's Clouds album. Has anyone else noticed the same in this movie? Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:09:28 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Crosby Article there is a nice article on cros and csny's tour in acoustic guitar (march'00). pictures by henry diltz for the west coast jmdler that runs into neat people in bars. for the confederate flag crowd, the article seems to bear down mostly on crosby and has no new pictures of stills or nash or young. and for the michigan priest, the article seems to avoid the whole ethridge thing. looks like a jmdler correct issue. only ones out are the joni only folks. sorry guys...no joni in this one. but!!!!! he does talk about open tunings and how he writes songs and tabs out one of his songs That House...so that offers some interest to the guitar heads on the only list. for that reason alone, i risk life and limb and drop the njc tag. pat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 09:10:18 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: BSN single? Maybe I've lost sight at this point what is meant by "single" but I heard there will be one or two promo "singles" sent out (don't know which songs). TTT did have a promo "single" pushed - Crazy Cries of Love. I have a copy of it and it was the song that tended to get the most airplay on the 2 main stations who play Joni in L.A. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:45:09 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: BSN single? In a message dated 1/25/2000 11:03:06 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy writes: << <> Yes, Stephen, but remember you're in NYC where you have your CHOICE of jazz stations. Here in the boonies the closest thing we have to jazz on the radio is when the "modern rock" station plays Big Bad Voodoo Daddy! >> Which is why I left NC many years ago. And actually, the number of jazz and standards stations is dying here as well. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:46:24 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: RE BSN Single In a message dated 1/25/2000 11:25:57 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << oy, my Dad would be in 7th heaven to see a Rodgers & Hart tune on the hit parade! I was already planning to give him a copy of the CD for this tune alone... Anybody know what Broadway show this one's from? >> "I Wish I Were In Love Again" is from "Babes In Arms". Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:01:54 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: MOA > >Catherine must really hate my "Whooooo!" at the begining of "Cold >Blue >Steel And Sweet Fire" on MOA! Hehehehehehe..... Aaahhh, so it WAS you - I knew it all along! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:10:06 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: Dear Wally, THIS is exactly why I don't feel the need to post much. Everyone on this list is so articulate, and expresses exactly what I am feeling. Thank you Kate, and everyone else that has expressed such heartfelt words for putting it all so beautifully. Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet Kate wrote: <> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:10:02 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's music is universal! In a message dated 1/25/2000 8:52:42 AM Eastern Standard Time, sem8@cornell.edu writes: << I know one of the critisisems of Joni Mitchell's songs is that >they are too self absorbed,narcissistic,but I really don't believe that is >even 1% true. >> I don't agree witht hta either. I do agree that they are about her but I don't think is narcissistic at all. Just becuase one writes about the pain they are in or about their life doesn't catorgorize them as that. I feel more in tune with Joni for the way she writes makes me feel. When some of my relationships ended and I felt alone and numb, Joni brought the emotions back to me so I could feel again. I can identify with so many of her songs. I feel such a connection. One last thing, when i first heard Ethiopia, I was blown away. That song is incredible. She made me feel that I am no the only one who feel this way about things in life. I think this is also why I love Tubulent Indigo so much. I put that up with in the top 5!!! Sex Kills is such a truthful pissed off song. I love it!! The lyrics are so right on the money....the whole lp blows me away! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:24:00 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: BSN single? >Y'all have to make the distinction between "single" and "airplay"...I'm >sure the record, as gorgeous as it is, will get *airplay*. But I'm equally >sure that there won't be any "singles" culled from it. Next time you're in >the store, LOOK and see who releases CD and cassette singles, it's NOT >artists like Joni. I guess I didn't realize that *anyone* released singles anymore. i thought that died when 45s went away. Someone's not paying attention in class and it sure ain't you, Bob! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 11:31:16 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: Painting and Music DVD - trying again From: "Iain Mackenzie" Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 07:59:29 -0000 I've posted this before but it didn't appear, so I'm trying again! Hi! I just bought P&M on DVD in the UK and it is superb! The sound quality is amazing - turn it up on a good home cinema setup and you could almost be there! But, on the paper insert, it gives a (supposedly) full listing of the 12 tracks, but when I watched it, there is actually 18 or 19 songs! Is this the same for everyone? Sorry if this has been done before. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:52:34 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Dear Wally, In a message dated 1/25/2000 1:14:36 PM Eastern Standard Time, AsharaJM@aol.com writes: << THIS is exactly why I don't feel the need to post much. Everyone on this list is so articulate, and expresses exactly what I am feeling. Thank you Kate, and everyone else that has expressed such heartfelt words for putting it all so beautifully. >> Oh dear. Another "me too". Everyone has expressed the same feelings I have about Wally, Les and the jmdl. As one of the senior members (oy, am I that old?), I remember connecting with both Wally and Les as the site was going up, for I too, punched in JONI MITCHELL when I first got on the web. When I think of all the wonderful friends I've met because of these two men, I just cannot believe my good fortune. Wally, we have been blessed by your goodness and hard work. With love, Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:54:57 -0500 From: julius.kalcevich@ac.com Subject: Re: Companion in Canada? I just received the JM Companion yesterday from Chapters.ca, after ordering it on Friday. I haven't seen it in a store though.... Julius K. (in Toronto) ****** >Have any Canadian list members gotten a copy of The Joni Mitchell >Companion yet? The Indigo and Chapters websites list the title as being >ready to ship in 24 hours, but so far the book hasn't appeared in their >Toronto stores. > >Jim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 12:58:29 -0600 From: "Mark T. Domyancich" Subject: Re: Crosby Article Actually, he talks about "Yvette In English" and how he got Joni into aleternate tunings. NP-Free Man In Paris At 12:09 PM -0500 1/25/00, Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: >there is a nice article on cros and csny's tour in acoustic guitar >(march'00). pictures by henry diltz for the west coast jmdler that runs into >neat people in bars. for the confederate flag crowd, the article seems to >bear down mostly on crosby and has no new pictures of stills or nash or >young. and for the michigan priest, the article seems to avoid the whole >ethridge thing. looks like a jmdler correct issue. only ones out are the >joni only folks. sorry guys...no joni in this one. but!!!!! he does talk >about open tunings and how he writes songs and tabs out one of his songs >That House...so that offers some interest to the guitar heads on the only >list. for that reason alone, i risk life and limb and drop the njc tag. pat Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:59:24 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Joni in Detroit 1960s While enjoying crawfish, shrimp and other Naw'lins goodies with Mr. Paz, I fell into a conversation earlier with my brother who was also in town for the weekend. Rick is a blues musician in Toronto but we grew up in Detroit. He remembered seeing Joni and Chuck perform here at the Chess Mate, back in the 1960s. He told a tale that I thought you guys might enjoy. As he remembers it, what made their act so fascinating was how Joni came on to join Chuck: Chuck would already be on stage singing a song (Rick couldn't remember if it was a Joni original or something else). Out from the very back of the audience, came a gentle harmony and then Joni slowly walked through the audience, guitar in hand, singing along with Chuck and finding her way up the stage. Though Rick isn't exactly a Joni fan , he did find the whole act amazing. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:03:14 -0600 From: "Mark T. Domyancich" Subject: Re: Live recordings vs. I've been listening to a lot of the L.A. Express stuff lately, and I have to say that I really like their takes on some of Joni's songs. Rainy Night House, for me, is better than on LOTC, For Free, with Tom Scott's solo at the end gives me goosebumps... but Carey should have been left alone! At 6:03 AM -0500 1/25/00, Deb Messling wrote: >I'm usually in the anti-live-album camp, but I'll take Joni any way I can. >My problem with MOA is the band, for the most part. I agree that her solo >songs are vibrant and lovely (esp. the Blue stuff), but to my ears the band >sounds a bit schlocky. They murdered Rainy Night House, IMO. Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 14:16:46 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Crosby Article In a message dated 1/25/00 1:58:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << Actually, he talks about "Yvette In English" and how he got Joni into aleternate tunings. >> you are right! i went through it pretty quick. he also says that joni mitchell taught him to write things down... one of the big effects on my writing was joni mitchell telling me to write stuff down. she said " david, you throw away more good phrases in an afternoon than most people can come up with in a week. what's wrong with you you brainless twitt? write your shit down." and i learned from her that if you get even to words in a row that mean something, that make you feel something, you should write them down. so i do. then on yvette i love it dearly. but she truly, truly ran with it. i only gave her the bare bones of what that song is. i still have what i wrote, and you can see that she started where i started, but she's a way better writer than i am , and she went for it. .....and she took it to a level that i could never have gotten it to. i think she is the most brilliant singer-songwriter of all. i mean, i love dylan. he's a good poet. but musically, she's light years ahead of him, and that's what kicks it over the top for me. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 15:43:35 -0500 (EST) From: w evans Subject: MOA/LAX All this talk about MOA reminds me that shortly after the tour this album came from, virtually the exact same band, plus Billy Preston, backed up George Harrison on his '74 tour, and played on one or two tracks on the Dark Horse album recorded after the tour, by which time George's voice was shot. Unfortunatly, recordings of the tour are only available on bootlegs, and the one I have has very, very poor sound quality. (Wish I could find a good one.) Anybody know other places this band played during that period? For the most part I don't like them all that much, I think they sound as dated as can be now, but I'm still curious. I actually prefer the version of Rainy Night House to the original... but I really, really hate what they did to Carey. Skip it every time. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:10:23 -0000 From: "Iain Mackenzie" Subject: Painting and Music DVD Hi! I just bought P&M on DVD in the UK and it is superb! The sound quality is amazing - turn it up on a good home cinema setup and you could almost be there! But, on the paper insert, it gives a (supposedly) full listing of the 12 tracks, but when I watched it, there is actually 18 or 19 songs! Is this the same for everyone? Sorry if this has been done before. Iain ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 13:23:03 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Painting and Music DVD > I just bought P&M on DVD in the UK and it is superb! The sound quality is > amazing - turn it up on a good home cinema setup and you could almost be > there! But, on the paper insert, it gives a (supposedly) full listing of the 12 > tracks, but when I watched it, there is actually 18 or 19 songs! > Is this the same for everyone? Iain, On my regular VHS video there are 19 songs listed, too. Joni performed several more over the two nights that were not included in the final product. Hope that someday they will release the "expanded" version ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:26:11 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: MOA and LAX W Evans at UMich (Go Blue!) and everyone: The year MOA was released, I gave it to everyone I knew as a Christmas present, convinced the joy of hearing live Joni would bless every person's heart. I was in seminary then, is I was poor as a church mouse (ouch, that was bad... but I couldn't resist...) It was because of MOA that I moved heaven and earth to be in Chicago to see Joni in 1998... I wanted to experience what I had heard, and MOA was as close to live Joni as I got prior to that, so MOA is very special in my life. Sometimes I still, when a friend is interested, play a song off of a pre MOA album, play the MOA version, an S&L version if available, and then the PWWAM version, and say, look Joni keeps making these songs new, she is alive and vibrant and growing as an artist, not doing the same old things the same old ways over and over again, such as the Stones and other dinosaur nostalgia acts playing old songs by rote the same way they played them 30 years ago. I liked LA Express. It was cool in its time and glad she did it, and glad she didn't just always with them either. I think we have a bunch of fussy in-laws in the JMDL, disapproving of LA Express, or disapproving of Larry Klien, or whoever she plays with. Joni is a big girl now. She can play with whomever she wants. Each musical influence on her has enriched her and her music because Joni is so open to the varieties of life. Maybe all the various experiences have enriched the music we love so much... And remember on MOA, where Joni says, no one ever asked Van Gogh to paint Starry Starry Night again so why should she have to do the same song the same way over and over again? Right on, Joni! (the Rev) Vince NP: Big Bad Voodoo Daddy, thanks to the incomparable MG... thanks! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 19:33:17 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: MOA and LAX Excuse me??!!! I do not "disapprove of LA Express, I just dislike them, as I am entitled to, and I don't appreciate being called names. Sheesh. >I think we have a bunch of fussy in-laws in the JMDL, disapproving of LA >Express, or disapproving of Larry Klien, or whoever she plays with. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ I love cats. They give the home a heartbeat. - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:00:58 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: BSN single? >there wasn't a single from TTT, was there? god, hard to believe they couldn't release even one single. crazy cries!? bob also wrote: Adult Easy Listening stations, perhaps...what a >ghastly thought, to hear Joni sandwiched in between Celine Dion well, at least celine would be shamed by comparison. i don't listen to those kind of stations by choice, but we all go to the dentist. i'd personally appreciate if joni crowded out some of the easy listening staples. i don't think that market should be ignored by her or reprise, either. 'my best to you' would have been perfect for lite radio. that's not to insult the song, which i love; just to say that a golden opportunity was missed. without having heard anything from 'bsn' (i have decided not to listen to the clips or interview until my 'limited' copy arrives) i can already say that the title song should be pushed out there. apparently, reprise thinks so, too. the songs that have been hits for bette midler on adult contemporary are not my favorite recordings by her, but they've let her and the record company make some money and she's been able to keep recording. and every album has some gems, that i wouldn't hear if bette didn't have a record contract. she's and she has a great, funny attitude about the songs; in her last hbo special she was her usual bawdy self most of the night, and finally near the end says, 'oh the insprirational ballads: you've all been so patient...' then she does incredible versions of songs we're all pretty tired of. and makes you love them. quite a talent. patrick, drifting np - shadows and light -- goodbye porkpie hat - inspired by the recent thread. i can't imagine my record collection not having this album. just great musicians making great music. esp. dry cleaner from des moines ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 17:07:40 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: If it weren't for Wally ... Clark wrote: >I finally got up the nerve and sang at the open mike of the Kibbitz >Room, next to Cantors, here in LA. Way to go, Clark! Make sure you let us know when you're doing more of these - your fans would like to come along and support you! Hmmmm...can't get Jagermeister at most Orange County OMs... Yes, the chance to meet Joni was one great thing that has come out of the great work of Wally and Les, but meeting and hanging out with so many terrific jmdlers just might top even that, I think. Put me on the list for a CD, Clark! ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:39:39 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni's music is universal! > True!!! The lines: "I am a lonely painter, I live in a box of paints, I'm > frightened by the devil and drawn to those who ain't afraid" changed my > life. I remember doing a self-portrait while listening to Blue when I was > 16. I felt like Joni Mitchell was the only person on earth who understood > why I cried for apparently no reason. Sue, this post gave me shivers. Get some paints & brushes and shake off that old garbage! You are a creative person & you should never let anyone stifle those urges! This line from 'A Case of You' really hit me when I first heard it, too. And to tie in with the 'live vs studio recordings' thread, I first heard it on 'Miles of Aisles'. I only had 'Court & Spark' and maybe 'LOTC' & 'Clouds' when I got 'MOA' from my folks for Christmas. Side 2 of the 2 record set became almost like some kind of liturgy for me. This side had the following songs: Cactus Tree Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire Woman of Heart & Mind A Case of You Blue Five of the most gut-wrenching songs that I can think of. And all from Joni albums I had yet to own at the time. It was a big motivation to get me to buy the rest of those records. I still love those live versions the best, though. And the songs from 'Blue' were really such an accurate decription of where my head was at in those days. The lyric Sue quoted was especially apt along with this one: Well there's so many sinkin' now You gotta keep thinkin' You can make it through these waves Acid booze & ass Needles guns & grass Lots o laughs Lots o laughs Everybody's sayin That Hell's the hippest way to go Well I don't think so But I'm gonna take a look around it though Leave out the needles & guns & it's a pretty clear picture of how I felt when I was in my early 20's. 'Miles of Aisles' is very special to me. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 18:40:36 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Crosby Article i think she is the most brilliant singer-songwriter of all. i > mean, i love dylan. he's a good poet. but musically, she's light years > ahead of him, and that's what kicks it over the top for me. And I say Right on, David! I agree 200%! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2000 02:44:47 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Wally, oh Wally.... I've been reading all the wonderful messages of love and support for the man who we all have so much to be thankful for. I've been struggling to come up with something to say that hasn't already been said, and also been trying to come to terms with the full impact of what Les so movingly wrote at the weekend. As words still fail me, I'll have to simply add a "me too" to everything that has been said. Peace be with you, Wally. Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Jan 2000 20:43:13 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: [JoniMitchellfans] more pics!!! In a message dated 1/25/2000 7:06:03 PM Eastern Standard Time, FMY FL writes: << Hey CatGirl, Thanks for sending the pics, they are truly great. I have a question on the above pic. I've never met everyone in person (except Pearl), but is that Anne instead of Sue? You're probably right, but I just wanted to make sure. You *are* a sweetie for posting these. Big Hugs and Kisses, Jimmy >> who the hell is Sue? oppss!! Ann! I am so sorry! I knew it was you but you must remind me of a Sue... Sowwy!! Cat... ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #31 ******************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?