From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #20 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Monday, January 17 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 020 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Siquomb, isn't she? ["Alan Lorimer" ] Re: Siquomb, isn't she? [Scott Price ] RE: A few questions [Jamie Zubairi ] Joni's "Larry Klein" and Diana Krall [julius.kalcevich@ac.com] Re: LL's future TTT review [LLDeMerle ] Joni @ Jazzfest--New Orleans 1995 [SMEBD@aol.com] KCSN interview [AsharaJM@aol.com] Joni Video Trees 1 & 2 PAL and US versions [AsharaJM@aol.com] RE: A few questions ["Catherine McKay" ] RE: Problems with Reprise site... [Steve Dulson ] Re: Joni's tuning/writing method ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: A swift kick? VLJC ["Catherine McKay" ] Greetings JMDL [Alan Poff ] Re: Joni's tuning/writing method [Phyliss Ward ] NEW JONI VIDEO OFFERED!!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] 15,000 signatures? [Steve Dulson ] Re: NEW JONI VIDEO OFFERED!!! [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: NEW JONI VIDEO OFFERED!!! [AsharaJM@aol.com] Memoirs - it was just a false alarm.... [Dmascall@aol.com] Re: 15,000 signatures? ["Kakki" ] Re: Memoirs - it was just a false alarm.... ["Kakki" ] Re: Apologies [WittenWist@aol.com] Tom Dean US Tour 2000 ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Request/Explanation/Enquiry/S&L (VLJC) [Jason Maloney ] re: Neil Young Boxed Set (W/ JC) ["Jerome Gonzales" Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? "Siquomb, isn't she?" is posted at the bottom of every digest that I've received. Am I the only JMDL member who doesn't know what it means?? Please someone put me out of my misery and tell me. Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 02:00:11 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Siquomb, isn't she? At 07:39 PM 1/17/00 +1100, Alan Lorimer wrote: >"Siquomb, isn't she?" is posted at the bottom of every digest that I've >received. Am I the only JMDL member who doesn't know what it means?? Alan, The following is from "Goldmine," Feb. 17, 1995: "The one thing I had was my own publishing company," Joni said. Joni's company was called Siquomb Publishing, and the name came from one of her many writing projects. As she would explain on Philadelphia radio station WMMR in March 1967, she was writing a mythology, the names of its various members derived from acronyms based on descriptive phrases. There were, for instance, a race of miniature women, the Posall ("Perhaps Our Souls Are Little Ladies"), and men, the Mosalm ("Maybe Our Souls Are Little Men"). Siquomb was the queen of the mythology, her name meaning, "She Is Queen Undisputedly Of Mind Beauty." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:05:42 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: RE: A few questions - ---------- > >4) Literally and/or figuratively, who is "The Dawntreader"? > Sue said: I'll answer this one: The Dawntreader is the name of David Crosby's sailboat. The sailor is David. ... the taste of the sea he takes and he learns to give...he aches and he learns to live...he stakes all his silver on a promise to be free... one of my favorite early Joni tunes... _ But really his boat was called 'The Mayan'. It was a toss up between The Mayan and The Dawntreader and I guess the Mayan won. All the best Jamie Zoob ___________________ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 08:21:02 -0500 From: julius.kalcevich@ac.com Subject: Joni's "Larry Klein" and Diana Krall I know that the rumour was brought up a few weeks ago, that the Canadian jazz sensation Diana Krall was dating a "Larry Klein", and the list pondered if this was indeed Joni's "Larry Klein"...the consensus seemed to be "yes". Anyways, confirmation was to be found in Toronto's Globe and Mail (Jan 13th) that featured a one page article on Diana where it mentions, "Krall, who has said she is going out with Larry Klein, a Los Angeles musician who was once married to Joni Mitchell..." My apologies if someone already confirmed the list's suspicions making this post rendudant. Julius K. (in Toronto- I think there is another Julius on this list who posts on a more regular basis) P.S. Just like everyone else, I am very anxious to receive my copy of BSN- I didn't really discover Joni until after TTT, so this will be the first release of Joni's that I have ever consciously waited for! A totally new experience- I admire the patience of all those who have been through this before... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 08:39:22 -0500 From: LLDeMerle Subject: Re: LL's future TTT review At 10:40 PM 1/16/00 -0500, MDESTE1@aol.com wrote: >Jonis music is pure >impressionism. Changing with each listen. Changing big-time with each listen. >That is why Jonis stuff is so different. I dont know if anyone will ever be >able to explain how it does what it does. marcel deste. It's so completely subjective and has as much to do with the listener as it does with the art. "Blue" knocked my socks off way back when and impacts me just as much today, if in different ways. The music always jars me emotionally. Time, life, the existential nature of any life will turn lyrics just enough to change their affect...a kaleidoscope...just a nudge and the whole scene changes. L LL de_merle@iagora.com <<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>><<>> "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result." ~Albert Einstein "There is a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line." ~Oscar Levant ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:29:04 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Joni @ Jazzfest--New Orleans 1995 I have seen mention of the Jazzfest Tape of Joni in New Orleans in 1995. I don't think this was ever on a Tape Tree (I'm in the process of collecting the Trees), but I would LOVE to get a copy of this. Is there anyone who would be willing to make me a copy (either for SASE/blank or a possible trade)? Thanks. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:44:09 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: KCSN interview John, coming out of the "lurker closet" said: <> I received this tape from Kenny when I was in NY a few weeks ago, (Thank you, Kenny!) and all I can say is I wholeheartedly agree, (tears and all) and could not have said it better. Even though the quality is poor, all I could think of when I heard "A Case of You" was, "there she goes again! Getting right inside my head, knowing how I feel, and putting it all into the most beautiful words and music. I cannot WAIT for the new CD to come out! Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 11:10:07 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Joni Video Trees 1 & 2 PAL and US versions Since I have been out of touch for so long, but have been lurking in the background, I have noticed several requests for Joni Video Trees 1 & 2. I am still very willing to copy these for whoever wants them. The following are the steps to go about getting them: For the US version of Video Trees 1 &2: This is what I need from you: 1. one PADDED envelope, big enough to hold 2 VHS tapes 2. Address THIS envelope to yourself, WITH postage (stamps- NOT the white label postage) 3. Enclose your blank tapes in this envelope, (highest quality for best results) do NOT seal. Also, please enclose a slip of paper with your name, e-mail address, and a note saying "For US version of Joni Video Trees 1 & 2". 4. Place that envelope INSIDE a second envelope, slightly larger than the first. This one does not need to be padded. Address this envelope to me: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 Here are the instructions to get a PAL copies of the videotapes: (NOTE: I only have 5 sets left of the PAL version. If you want one, please e-mail me first BEFORE you send any money, and wait to receive a confirmation that I have one for you.) 1) Please send $25 in US funds to the above address 2) Please include 2 easy to read, printed address labels, addressed to where you would like the videos sent. 3) Add a note with your name, e-mail address, and a note saying "For PAL version of Joni Video Trees 1 & 2". This price reflects the actual costs of having these videos made up in PAL format, and shipping them overseas. NO profit was made in this project. THAT'S IT!!!!! Please e-mail me with any questions. I will send them back as soon as I can. Please be patient, as I am a single mom with 4 boys, and a *very* busy, crazy life! Thanks!! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 16:25:26 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: A few questions >SIMPLE QUESTIONS, KATHLEEN... > >1) Does anyone know what/who "Michael from Mountains" is about? > >CATMAN. and so on... The week is off to a good start after all - I'm still laffin'! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 08:42:09 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: RE: Problems with Reprise site... Thanks to all who replied - on- and off-list - to my plea for help. Problem solved. They decided they liked my credit card, and I was able to enter the contest. My best to all, ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 16:59:20 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Joni's tuning/writing method Howard wrote: >I think this happens quite often - not just with Joni - that if >someone >writes about a dark or serious theme, using very heavy serious chords >and melody will often kill the song, making it sound too depressing. >But >having some "light" music with the serious words often works >surprisingly well, and writers may choose to do this deliberately. I >guess Little Green is a bit like this too. Thanks for the info. I also realize that I'm sure most songwriters don't always write the same way, and it's kind of a chicken-or-egg question. I guess it would help if I got hold of some of those tapetrees too! One that really strikes me with its disparity between the words and the melody is "No apologies" - the refrain in particular sounds pretty upbeat for what Joni is actually singing about - if you couldn't hear the words, you might just think it's a pretty song, kind of catchy, almost top-40 material (haha). Strangely, I don't find "Little Green" a downer - I think of it as kind of bitter-sweet (even with the line "sometimes there'll be sorrow" - c'est la vie!) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:15:17 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: A swift kick? VLJC John, I have a hard time understanding how you (anyone) can paint nude males without including penises - you could go the Austin Powers route and just have stuff that "just happens" to be covering that part of the anatomy! >NO Penises. My figures aren't about nudity or sexuality >anyway. They are meant to be 'universal symbols of human struggle' or >something of that sort, so clothes are inappropriate to them. >Anyway I >agreed. Started painting, then decided, 'What the heck. Put it in. >People have them don't they? It's not like I am making anything the >least bit outrageous.' > >First month passes and my bud comes out to see how things are going. >Well, he sees the hmmmhmmm's and has a fit. So, ok. I scrape them out. So, is there just a blurred part in the painting, like when they distort faces on TV to protect people's identify? I suppose you could always market that as the "All-nude, no-penises, naked-men show" or something. Your so-called friend says: >You're not an artist, you're just a cartoonist. And another >thing, I (he) has always been upset that I got a temp position >teaching >illustration and I (he) wasn't offered the job. (ignoring >obvious facts >that I work as an illustrator and he was a painting >major). [...] >And inspite of all this venting, he still could not contain his >frustration. I could see He was still wired to the hilt, so much so >that he reared his leg back and kicked me under the table. Good n' >hard. This guy sounds like he needs a good shrink - he's obviously stressed out in a major way. If you're still talking to him, I'd suggest you recommend he get counselling (you may want to do that over the phone though, to save your shins!) I'm glad to hear that the response to your show was good in any case despite all the BS. And now for the minor JC, I have a hard time getting in my head the image of Joni kicking someone. Somehow a good punch to the jaw works better for me - I guess it depends on what else is going on. I don't know the whole story, but most people don't just up and kick someone -maybe the maid was coming at her. I guess she's not working for Joni anymore, eh? Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:32:00 -0500 From: Alan Poff Subject: Greetings JMDL Hi, I'm a returning JMDL member. I signed off last spring during a major life-change. (I was leaving the Air Force, finalizing a traumatic divorce, and moving from San Antonio to central Florida so I could be with and help raise my 9-year old Son.) I don't know if any of you remember me; I wasn't a complete lurker, but I probably only averaged a couple of posts per month. But I really enjoyed the depth and insight of so many of the JMDL discussions. It was a revelation to me to see what technology had wrought here. By linking together people who share only ("only" ha!) the common thread of admiration for Joni's music, the Internet has provided a means for creating a totally unique kind of social group. I don't think a week went by that I wasn't grateful for an insight that I'd gained from this group; usually a perspective on a current issue which I'm sure I would never have been exposed to otherwise. There were often disagreements, but more often than not, I found "Both Sides" of the issues to be enlightening. I had intended to sign back on as soon as I was settled in here. But life got busy? My Son is with me more than half-time (which is a blessing, but it was not what I'd expected.) Also, after just a few weeks in my new job (I'm a systems analyst) my boss had a long talk with me about the "career broadening aspects" of a graduate degree. As a result, I'm back in school two nights a week. But a few days ago I was driving to Orlando with my Son, and I had Ladies of the Canyon playing. After the title song, my Son said, "That was really beautiful Dad, can you play it again?" I was a little surprised, being a lyrics-centered listener, I'd never thought much of that song. But as I played it again, I heard what my Son was hearing; her guitar playing and voice are just magical on that song. And I thought to myself, "there is nobody I know, other than some members of the JMDL, who I could repeat this to and would understand this exchange at all?" So today, I clicked my way to the JMDL archive to read the last few days worth of digests. I wanted to see if they have changed much; they haven't. Both the Joni content and the non-Joni content are like breaths of fresh air. For example, this was the first I'd heard of the "BSN special edition" and I quickly followed the link and placed my order (thank you!). And then there was Catherine, and her dismay over stores which "just sell best-sellers," which took me back to a teenage memory of a conversation with my Brother... He could never understand my taste in music, saying "Why do you like this album? There's not even one hit song on it!" Unfortunately the bulk of the population only likes whatever everyone else says is good, so those "best sellers" stores probably have a sound business/marketing plan. The herd mentality is a frightening thing, and its effects are more profound than just pop-culture (or is that death of culture?); it's why pre-election polls tend to become self-fulfilling prophecies, and it's the root cause of economic booms and depressions? Anyway, I've rambled enough. It's good to be back. Wishing you peace and love and much Joni! Alan Poff. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 09:34:05 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Joni's tuning/writing method Catherine McKay wrote: > One that really strikes me with its disparity between the words and the melody > is "No > apologies" - the refrain in particular sounds pretty upbeat for what Joni is > actually singing about - if you couldn't hear the words, you might just > think it's a pretty song, kind of catchy, almost top-40 material (haha). Funny you should mention this Catherine. I was just listening to the World Cafe interview the other day and Joni says something like she specifically sings that song somewhat deadpan - or without emotion - because the words are so heavy that it would be too much to sing the emotion with them. I'm not sure I agree with that but those are (similar to) her words. - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:35:05 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: NEW JONI VIDEO OFFERED!!! ANNOUNCING.......TA DA!!!!!! A DAY IN THE GARDEN- a video of Joni's performance at "A Day in The Garden," August 15, 1998 at the original Woodstock site in Bethel, NY. Setlist: Hejira Comes Love Facelift Summertime The Crazy Cries of Love No Apologies Sex Kills Magdeline Laudries Black Crow Moon at the Window Slouching Towards Bethlehem Just Like This Train Big Yellow Taxi Trouble Man Woodstock I decided not to "tree" this video offer, because so much quality is lost with generations of video. So, what this could possibly mean to me, is hundreds of Joni listers may want this video. So....if you are interested in this video, please follow these instructions EXACTLY! 1. Buy one (highest quality for best results) 2-hour video tape. 2. Unwrap the plastic, attatch the white label with these words: "A Day in the Garden- 8/15/98, and add your name somewhere on the label 3. Put this in a PADDED envelope 4. Address THIS envelope to yourself, WITH postage (stamps- NOT the white label postage) PLEASE DO NOT SEAL!!!! 5. Enclose a slip of paper with your name, e-mail address, and a note saying "For A Day in The Garden". 6. Place that envelope INSIDE a second envelope, slightly larger than the first. This one does not need to be padded. 7. Address this envelope to me: Ashara Stansfield P.O. Box 215 Topsfield, MA 01983 Please note that this offer is for PATIENT JMDLERS ONLY!!!!!! Depending on how many people want this video, this project could take months. If you are OK with that, and promise not to harrass me if I do not return your video right away, then you are welcome to send along your blanks. If you are interested in a PAL version of this video tape: Please e-mail me with your interest by February 10th. If enough people want a PAL version, I will have copies made for you. Please do not hold me to this amount, but the cost will probably be around $20 (US) which should include shipping. Please e-mail me with any questions about this offer. Videos will be copied on a first-come, first-served basis. Any videos arriving without following instructions exactly, will go to the bottom of the pile, and "may" be copied in this lifetime. Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 10:42:37 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: 15,000 signatures? Wally's page says that the BSN special edition will be limited to 15,000 copies. The reprise site says that these wil include Joni's "personal signature". It would take her several days of doing nothing else to sign her complex signature 15,000 times. Is she really going to do this? I hope so, but I have my doubts. ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:52:40 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: NEW JONI VIDEO OFFERED!!! In a message dated 1/17/2000 1:42:24 PM Eastern Standard Time, AsharaJM@aol.com writes: << ANNOUNCING.......TA DA!!!!!! A DAY IN THE GARDEN- a video of Joni's performance at "A Day in The Garden," August 15, 1998 at the original Woodstock site in Bethel, NY. Setlist: >> Isn't this still available in stores or on the internet? I do not know how this works. Thanks so much. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:07:42 EST From: AsharaJM@aol.com Subject: Re: NEW JONI VIDEO OFFERED!!! In a message dated 1/17/00 1:52:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, CaTGirl627 writes: << Isn't this still available in stores or on the internet? >> If this video were available commercially, I would never have offered it to the Jonilist. As far as I know, this video was never available on the commercial market. Hugs, Ashara www.photon.net/lightnet ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 14:27:52 EST From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Memoirs - it was just a false alarm.... >Catgirl wrote ...I was checking out Barnes and Noble and they have a hardback Joni > Mitchell book called memoirs....does any one know what this is? If this is what I'm thinking of, a hardback published by Random House, the details have been sitting around on trade databases in both the US and UK for a long time now with pretty vague information. My take on it is therefore that it represents a book to appear at some unspecified point in the future - or that it was one that was mooted and then got dropped by the publisher. Most online databases are sprinkled with items like these. Of course I could be wrong.....and have been before..... Why doesn't the next JMDLer to meet Joni ask her about this one? David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 12:31:40 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: 15,000 signatures? Steve wrote: > Wally's page says that the BSN special edition will be >limited to 15,000 copies. The reprise site says that these >will include Joni's "personal signature". Thanks for finding out the quantities, Steve. A few of us were wondering. > It would take her several days of doing nothing else to sign >her complex signature 15,000 times. Is she really going to >do this? I hope so, but I have my doubts. As someone who at times has to take profusive handwritten notes for days on end, I think it sounds worse than it really is. Other than being somewhat time-consuming and boring it's not impossible. Maybe she did a daily routine of 500 a day until she finished ;-) A list friend told me than Jonatha Brooke recently personally signed a quantity of 10,000 CDs just for her website/discussion list fans. Kakki NP: Yardbirds - For Your Love ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 13:15:14 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Memoirs - it was just a false alarm.... David wrote: > If this is what I'm thinking of, a hardback published by Random House, the > details have been sitting around on trade databases in both the US and UK for > a long time now with pretty vague information. My take on it is therefore > that it represents a book to appear at some unspecified point in the future - > or that it was one that was mooted and then got dropped by the publisher. > Most online databases are sprinkled with items like these. Of course I could > be wrong.....and have been before..... I saw this a few weeks ago while ordering a BSN from Amazon.com and went ahead and ordered it, too. I think this is one of the three-book deal she made a few yeas back. Last I recall the "Memoirs" book was to be an anecdotal-style autobiography. She's menionted it a few times in interviews so I think it's still going to happen at some point. Another book planned is a comprehensive, "coffee-table" style book of her paintings. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 17:28:29 EST From: WittenWist@aol.com Subject: Re: Apologies ...It was just a false alarm :) Vince Lavieri wrote: << It appears that "Reeling in the years" is jus going to have some Joni bit, not a focus on Joni. My friend was misinformed, and we both apologise for passing along a false alarm to you all >> Patti - ---------- Patti Witten http://www.pattiwitten.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 23:08:58 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Tom Dean US Tour 2000 PERFORMANCE SCHEDULE : JANUARY 1/15/00 - Brookline MA - O'Leary's - 1010 Brookline St - 617 734 0049 1/20/00 - Portsmouth NH - The Dolphin Striker - 603 431 5222 FEBRUARY 2/13/00 - Concord NH - Live interview on WEVO 89.1 2/18/00 - Londonderry NH - The Cafe Muse - 2 Young Rd - 603 437 6085 2/19/00 - Saratoga Springs NY- Cafe Lena - Phila St - 518 583 0022 2/23/00 - Portsmouth NH - The Dolphin Striker - 603 431 5222 MARCH 3/17/00 - Cambridge MA - Club Passim - 617 492 7679 3/29/00 - Portsmouth NH - The Dolphin Striker - 603 431 5222 3/30/00 - West Ossipee NH - Drylongso Coffeehouse - 603 539 7725 http://www.tomdeansongs.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2000 00:19:04 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Request/Explanation/Enquiry/S&L (VLJC) Hello all, Due to a real pain-in-the-neck ISP security problem, I have spent the last week in a varying state of flux regarding anything to do with my e-mail account and software. Folders have been corrupted, mail mysteriously vanished then reappeared then vanished again, passwords changed, a lot of ultimately fruitless premuim-rate helplline calls etc etc etc.... Anyway, it's good to at least be back in some form or other. You may remember in my last post to the list I mentioned I wanted to write up a section on the London Jonifest for my website. I had planned to use the e-mails I had written soon after and sent to the JMDL as a starting point for such a piece. Unfortunately, my entire sent folder has been lost thanks to the bright sparks at my ISP's technical department. Does anyone have a copy of those posts (I think there were two)??? I would be hugely grateful if someone could possibly forward them to me. Still on the subject of the Londonfest, I may have missed any talk about it during the last 7 days, but what's the situation regarding the photos and recordings of the evening? When will we get to see and hear them? Finally, and here's the *true* Joni Content, I picked up the single-disc version of Shadows & Light in Tower Records at the weekend, in one of those mid-price multibuy offers. I expect the double-disc edition is considered to be the one of greater worth, but I would be interested to know what any of you consider to be the down-side (or maybe even upside, who knows?) of the "shortened" version. TIA, Jason. PS. A couple of "personals".. ....Jamie, congratulations on the new job! I'm delighted for you, and I know you'll be a roaring succes. And to Azeeem : I really enjoyed your post on Parenting, and will now look for those books you mentioned. They sound like fascinating and rewarding reads. Okay, I think I'm done now... ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:28:41 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Impossible Dreamer From the JMDL Archives: Vol. #3/ #70 Feb. 9, 1998 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Impossible Dreamer Date: Mon. Feb. 9, 1998 David Marine wrote: >_______________________________________________________________ >Re: Lennon, I have a Joni question. I've always assumed that >"Impossible Dreamer" was about JL. Are there any interviews >with Joni on this topic that someone might steer me to? >David >_______________________________________________________________ yes, the Warner Bros Music Show #143, Interview w/Joni Mitchell and music from the Geffen album "Dog Eat Dog". (c) 1985 during the interview with Bill Flanagan, Joni says: BF: Is "Impossible Dreamer" about John Lennon? JM: It's a more general song than, y'know it's not specifically him. it's Martin Luther King, it's y'know all the voices of idealism. it's addressed to them singularly, but when i was writing it, all ... all of the public voices AND some private voices; and everything that i ever heard along that line. the death of that whole idea. i guess it came about because of its rebirth now. - ------- simon - ------- they sin by their silence ...when they should have spoken out. A.Lincoln ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:29:18 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: I Have A Dream ~ Impossible Dreamer? Delivered on the steps at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. on August 28, 1963 "I Have A Dream" by The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Five score years ago, a great American, in whose symbolic shadow we stand signed the Emancipation Proclamation. This momentous decree came as a great beacon light of hope to millions of Negro slaves who had been seared in the flames of withering injustice. It came as a joyous daybreak to end the long night of captivity. But one hundred years later, we must face the tragic fact that the Negro is still not free. One hundred years later, the life of the Negro is still sadly crippled by the manacles of segregation and the chains of discrimination. One hundred years later, the Negro lives on a lonely island of poverty in the midst of a vast ocean of material prosperity. One hundred years later, the Negro is still languishing in the corners of American society and finds himself an exile in his own land. So we have come here today to dramatize an appalling condition. In a sense we have come to our nation's capital to cash a check. When the architects of our republic wrote the magnificent words of the Constitution and the declaration of Independence, they were signing a promissory note to which every American was to fall heir. This note was a promise that all men would be guaranteed the inalienable rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. It is obvious today that America has defaulted on this promissory note insofar as her citizens of color are concerned. Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given the Negro people a bad check which has come back marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe that the bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds in the great vaults of opportunity of this nation. So we have come to cash this check -- a check that will give us upon demand the riches of freedom and the security of justice. We have also come to this hallowed spot to remind America of the fierce urgency of now. This is no time to engage in the luxury of cooling off or to take the tranquilizing drug of gradualism. Now is the time to rise from the dark and desolate valley of segregation to the sunlit path of racial justice. Now is the time to open the doors of opportunity to all of God's children. Now is the time to lift our nation from the quicksands of racial injustice to the solid rock of brotherhood. It would be fatal for the nation to overlook the urgency of the moment and to underestimate the determination of the Negro. This sweltering summer of the Negro's legitimate discontent will not pass until there is an invigorating autumn of freedom and equality. Nineteen sixty-three is not an end, but a beginning. Those who hope that the Negro needed to blow off steam and will now be content will have a rude awakening if the nation returns to business as usual. There will be neither rest nor tranquility in America until the Negro is granted his citizenship rights. The whirlwinds of revolt will continue to shake the foundations of our nation until the bright day of justice emerges. But there is something that I must say to my people who stand on the warm threshold which leads into the palace of justice. In the process of gaining our rightful place we must not be guilty of wrongful deeds. Let us not seek to satisfy our thirst for freedom by drinking from the cup of bitterness and hatred. We must forever conduct our struggle on the high plane of dignity and discipline. We must not allow our creative protest to degenerate into physical violence. Again and again we must rise to the majestic heights of meeting physical force with soul force. The marvelous new militancy which has engulfed the Negro community must not lead us to distrust of all white people, for many of our white brothers, as evidenced by their presence here today, have come to realize that their destiny is tied up with our destiny and their freedom is inextricably bound to our freedom. We cannot walk alone. And as we walk, we must make the pledge that we shall march ahead. We cannot turn back. There are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, "When will you be satisfied?" We can never be satisfied as long as our bodies, heavy with the fatigue of travel, cannot gain lodging in the motels of the highways and the hotels of the cities. We cannot be satisfied as long as the Negro's basic mobility is from a smaller ghetto to a larger one. We can never be satisfied as long as a Negro in Mississippi cannot vote and a Negro in New York believes he has nothing for which to vote. No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream. I am not unmindful that some of you have come here out of great trials and tribulations. Some of you have come fresh from narrow cells. Some of you have come from areas where your quest for freedom left you battered by the storms of persecution and staggered by the winds of police brutality. You have been the veterans of creative suffering. Continue to work with the faith that unearned suffering is redemptive. Go back to Mississippi, go back to Alabama, go back to Georgia, go back to Louisiana, go back to the slums and ghettos of our northern cities, knowing that somehow this situation can and will be changed. Let us not wallow in the valley of despair. I say to you today, my friends, that in spite of the difficulties and frustrations of the moment, I still have a dream. It is a dream deeply rooted in the American dream. I have a dream that one day this nation will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: "We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal." I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slaveowners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood. I have a dream that one day even the state of Mississippi, a desert state, sweltering with the heat of injustice and oppression, will be transformed into an oasis of freedom and justice. I have a dream that my four children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day the state of Alabama, whose governor's lips are presently dripping with the words of interposition and nullification, will be transformed into a situation where little black boys and black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls and walk together as sisters and brothers. I have a dream today. I have a dream that one day every valley shall be exalted, every hill and mountain shall be made low, the rough places will be made plain, and the crooked places will be made straight, and the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it together. This is our hope. This is the faith with which I return to the South. With this faith we will be able to hew out of the mountain of despair a stone of hope. With this faith we will be able to transform the jangling discords of our nation into a beautiful symphony of brotherhood. With this faith we will be able to work together, to pray together, to struggle together, to go to jail together, to stand up for freedom together, knowing that we will be free one day. This will be the day when all of God's children will be able to sing with a new meaning, "My country, 'tis of thee, sweet land of liberty, of thee I sing. Land where my fathers died, land of the pilgrim's pride, from every mountainside, let freedom ring." And if America is to be a great nation this must become true. So let freedom ring from the prodigious hilltops of New Hampshire. Let freedom ring from the mighty mountains of New York. Let freedom ring from the heightening Alleghenies of Pennsylvania! Let freedom ring from the snowcapped Rockies of Colorado! Let freedom ring from the curvaceous peaks of California! But not only that; let freedom ring from Stone Mountain of Georgia! Let freedom ring from Lookout Mountain of Tennessee! Let freedom ring from every hill and every molehill of Mississippi. From every mountainside, let freedom ring. When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!" - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "They kill people who give hope in this culture." Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 20:59:09 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: A Dream Deferred What happens to a dream deferred? Does it dry up like a raisin in the sun? Or fester like a sore -- And then run? Does it stink like a rotten meat? Or crust and sugar over -- like a syrupy sweet? Maybe it just sags like a heavy load. OR DOES IT EXPLODE? Langston Hughes (p) 1959 thought i'd share this. - ------- simon - ------- "Never doubt that a small group of committed citizens can change the world: Indeed it's the only thing that ever has." Margaret Mead ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:02:00 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Impossible? Yea i think so! the question IS when are All going to be accorded *Equal Treatment* under the law and in the eyes and attitudes of all men (& WOmen). clearly the goal is ... "Coexistence with mutual respect for the dignity of each individual." Thomas Jefferson said it best, even if HE wasn't able to live up to his own ideals. "We Hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness." ... the pursuit of Happiness. a revolutionary concept. think about it. - ------- simon - ------- Remember: Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:49:54 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: **Free** Joni Tape Tree # 3 Tape Tree #3 is available free on 3 audio cassettes. Tape Tree #3 starts with group of live performances from a radio station's tape archive. The quality of the recordings vary wildly but she tells many stories. You will hear her skill as a storyteller- that is for sure. The interviews were between 1966 and 1968, originally broadcast in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA. (Joni's first album, "Song To A Seagull" was released in 1968.) It also includes a live performance at a nightclub called the 2nd Fret, also in Philadelphia, during October 1967. This was at the end of the Summer Of Love if I recall. She was sure of herself and did not have any cocaine anger, ooops. I mean, she is an accomplished live performer, calmly telling her audience about the story behind some songs. To read more about this period, go to: http://www.jonimitchell.com/joni2.html The third tape has 2 discussions with Roberta Joan (Joni) Anderson Mitchell. The first interview took place in 1988, to announce the (then) new album called "Chalk Mark In A Rainstorm". To read more on this era, go to: http://www.jonimitchell.com/Experimental.html In 1995, the interviewer was Todd Rungren. (Have you ever heard "Hello It's Me"? It's the same guy.) Tape Tree #3 acts as an excellent introduction to the tape trees in general, Joni's experiences in the folk nightclubs of North America, and the middle period stuff. d i s c l a i m e r s :::: Send an email to me and I will give you the details! I'll be keeping this tree open for the winter (Northern Hemisphere) / summer (Southern Hemisphere). I will label it N_J_C next time... I promise. Read Les's introduction to tape trees at http://jmdl.com/trading/ np:  "Ritual" from Yes'es Yessongs set from 1980. Thanks to Wally Breese for creating a resource where I could look up Joni's name at birth! Wally Rules! BTW, I haven't forgotten Frank Tortorici or Neil Penwell. I haven't made it to Kinko's to make J-cards for you guys. Maybe this evening. - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 19:28:31 PST From: "Jerome Gonzales" Subject: re: Neil Young Boxed Set (W/ JC) I just read that Neil's long awaited, long delayed 6 or 7 CD boxed set will be released this fall. A few years ago he mentioned it would include somewhere in the neighborhood of 6 songs recorded with Joni and shelved in the 70s. The release I read confirmed that these sessions would be on it. Just thought I'd pass along this news. Jerome ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 22:55:53 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Happy Birthday Dr. King HAPPY BIRTHDAY (Lyrics & Music by Stevie Wonder) You know it doesn't make much sense There ought to be a law against Anyone who takes offense At a day in your celebration 'Cause we all know in our minds That there ought to be a time That we can set aside To show just how much we love you And I'm sure you would agree It couldn't fit more perfectly Than to have a world party on the day you came to be Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday I just never understood How a man who died for good Could not have a day that would Be set aside for his recognition Because it should never be Just because some cannot see The dream as clear as he that they should make it become an illusion And we all know everything That he stood for time will bring For in peace our hearts will sing Thanks to MARTIN LUTHER KING Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Why has there never been a holiday Where peace is celebrated all throughout the world The time is overdue For people like me and you Who know the way to truth Is love and unity to all God's children It should never be a great event And the whole day should be spent In full remembrance Of those who lived and died for the oneness of all people So let us all begin We know that love can win Let it out don't hold it in Sing it loud as you can Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Happy birthday to you Happy birthday to you Happy birthday Happy birthday Happy birthday Happy birthday Ooh yeah Happy birthday... We know the key to unify all people Is in the dream that you had so long ago That lives in all of the hearts of people That believe in unity We'll make the dream become a reality I know we will Because our hearts tell us so from the album "Hotter Than July" __________________________________ how well i remember what others may well have forgotten. in the late 70's the effort to establish a National Holiday in honor of The Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King was stalled and passage seemed hopeless. (in large messure) due to the tireless efforts of Stevie Wonder, Right eventually won out over ignorance. Happy Birthday Dr. King - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:46:47 -0700 From: Bounced Message Subject: I See The Promised Land ~ Impossible Dreamer? (Part One) From: simon@icu.com Date: Mon, 17 Jan 2000 21:00:30 -0800 "I See The Promised Land" April 3, 1968 Memphis, Tennessee This was Dr. King's last, and most apocalyptic, sermon. He delivered it, on the eve of his assassination, at [the Bishop Charles] Mason Temple in Memphis, Tennessee, on 3 April 1968. Mason Temple is the headquarters of the Church of God in Christ, the largest African American Pentecostal denomination in the United States. __________________________________________________________________________ Thank you very kindly, my friends. As I listened to Ralph Abernathy in his eloquent and generous introduction and then thought about myself, I wondered who he was talking about. It's always good to have your closest friend and associate say something good about you. And Ralph is the best friend that I have in the world. I'm delighted to see each of you here tonight in spite of a storm warning. You reveal that you are determined to go on anyhow. Something is happening in Memphis, something is happening in our world. As you know, if I were standing at the beginning of time, with the possibility of general and panoramic view of the whole human history up to now, and the Almighty said to me, "Martin Luther King, which age would you like to live in?"-- I would take my mental flight by Egypt through, or rather across the Red Sea, through the wilderness on toward the promised land. And in spite of its magnificence, I wouldn't stop there. I would move on by Greece, and take my mind to Mount Olympus. And I would see Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, Euripides and Aristophanes assembled around the Parthenon as they discussed the great and eternal issues of reality. But I wouldn't stop there. I would go on, even to the great heyday of the Roman Empire. And I would see developments around there, through various emperors and leaders. But I wouldn't stop there. I would even come up to the day of the Renaissance, and get a quick picture of all that the Renaissance did for the cultural and esthetic life of man. But I wouldn't stop there. I would even go by the way that the man for whom I'm named had his habitat. And I would watch Martin Luther as he tacked his ninety-five theses on the door at the church in Wittenberg. But I wouldn't stop there. I would come on up even to 1863, and watch a vacillating president by the name of Abraham Lincoln finally come to the conclusion that he had to sign the Emancipation Proclamation. But I wouldn't stop there. I would even come up the early thirties, and see a man grappling with the problems of the bankruptcy of his nation. And come with an eloquent cry that we have nothing to fear but fear itself. But I wouldn't stop there. Strangely enough, I would turn to the Almighty, and say, "If you allow me to live just a few years in the second half of the twentieth century, I will be happy." Now that's a strange statement to make, because the world is all messed up. The nation is sick. Trouble is in the land. Confusion all around. That's a strange statement. But I know, somehow, that only when it is dark enough, can you see the stars. And I see God working in this period of the twentieth century in a way that men, in some strange way, are responding--something is happening in our world. The masses of people are rising up. And wherever they are assembled today, whether they are in Johannesburg, South Africa; Nairobi, Kenya: Accra, Ghana; New York City; Atlanta, Georgia; Jackson, Mississippi; or Memphis, Tennessee--the cry is always the same--"We want to be free." And another reason that I'm happy to live in this period is that we have been forced to a point where we're going to have to grapple with the problems that men have been trying to grapple with through history, but the demands didn't force them to do it. Survival demands that we grapple with them. Men, for years now, have been talking about war and peace. But now, no longer can they just talk about it. It is no longer a choice between violence and nonviolence in this world; it's nonviolence or nonexistence. That is where we are today. And also in the human rights revolution, if something isn't done, and in a hurry, to bring the colored peoples of the world out of their long years of poverty, their long years of hurt and neglect, the whole world is doomed. Now, I'm just happy that God has allowed me to live in this period, to see what is unfolding. And I'm happy that he's allowed me to be in Memphis. I can remember, I can remember when Negroes were just going around as Ralph has said, so often, scratching where they didn't itch, and laughing when they were not tickled. But that day is all over. We mean business now, and we are determined to gain our rightful place in God's world. And that's all this whole thing is about. We aren't engaged in any negative protest and in any negative arguments with anybody. We are saying that we are determined to be men. We are determined to be people. We are saying that we are God's children. And that we don't have to live like we are forced to live. Now, what does all of this mean in this great period of history? It means that we've got to stay together. We've got to stay together and maintain unity. You know, whenever Pharaoh wanted to prolong the period of slavery in Egypt, he had a favorite, favorite formula for doing it. What was that? He kept the slaves fighting among themselves. But whenever the slaves get together, something happens in Pharaoh's court, and he cannot hold the slaves in slavery. When the slaves get together, that's the beginning of getting out of slavery. Now let us maintain unity. Secondly, let us keep the issues where they are. The issue is injustice. The issue is the refusal of Memphis to be fair and honest in its dealings with its public servants, who happen to be sanitation workers. Now, we've got to keep attention on that. That's always the problem with a little violence. You know what happened the other day, and the press dealt only with the window-breaking. I read the articles. They very seldom got around to mentioning the fact that one thousand, three hundred sanitation workers were on strike, and that Memphis is not being fair to them, and that Mayor Loeb is in dire need of a doctor. They didn't get around to that. Now we're going to march again, and we've got to march again, in order to put the issue where it is supposed to be. And force everybody to see that there are thirteen hundred of God's children here suffering, sometimes going hungry, going through dark and dreary nights wondering how this thing is going to come out. That's the issue. And we've got to say to the nation: we know it's coming out. For when people get caught up with that which is right and they are willing to sacrifice for it, there is no stopping point short of victory. We aren't going to let any mace stop us. We are masters in our nonviolent movement in disarming police forces; they don't know what to do. I've seen them so often. I remember in Birmingham, Alabama, when we were in that majestic struggle there we would move out of the 16th Street Baptist Church day after day; by the hundreds we would move out. And Bull Connor would tell them to send the dogs forth and they did come; but we just went before the dogs singing, "Ain't gonna let nobody turn me round." Bull Connor next would say, "Turn the fire hoses on." And as I said to you the other night, Bull Connor didn't know history. He knew a kind of physics that somehow didn't relate to the transphysics that we knew about. And that was the fact that there was a certain kind of fire that no water could put out. And we went before the fire hoses; we had known water. If we were Baptist or some other denomination, we had been immersed. If we were Methodist, and some others, we had been sprinkled, but we knew water. That couldn't stop us. And we just went on before the dogs and we would look at them; and we'd go on before the water hoses and we would look at it, and we'd just go on singing. "Over my head I see freedom in the air." And then we would be thrown in the paddy wagons, and sometimes we were stacked in there like sardines in a can. And they would throw us in, and old Bull would say, "Take them off," and they did; and we would just go in the paddy wagon singing, "We Shall Overcome." And every now and then we'd get in the jail, and we'd see the jailers looking through the windows being moved by our prayers, and being moved by our words and our songs. And there was a power there which Bull Connor couldn't adjust to; and so we ended up transforming Bull into a steer, and we won our struggle in Birmingham. Now we've got to go on to Memphis just like that. I call upon you to be with us Monday. Now about injunctions: We have an injunction and we're going into court tomorrow morning to fight this illegal, unconstitutional injunction. All we say to America is, "Be true to what you said on paper." If I lived in China or even Russia, or any totalitarian country, maybe I could understand the denial of certain basic First Amendment privileges, because they hadn't committed themselves to that over there. But somewhere I read of the freedom of assembly. Somewhere I read of the freedom of speech. Somewhere I read of the freedom of the press. Somewhere I read that the greatness of America is the right to protest for right. And so just as I say, we aren't going to let any injunction turn us around. We are going on. We need all of you. And you know what's beautiful to me, is to see all of these ministers of the Gospel. It's a marvelous picture. Who is it that is supposed to articulate the longings and aspirations of the people more than the preacher? Somehow the preacher must be an Amos, and say, "Let justice roll down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream." Somehow, the preacher must say with Jesus, "The spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to deal with the problems of the poor." ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #20 ******************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?