From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #18 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, January 16 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 018 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni mention in Opera News [Robert Holliston ] Joni content of the list [howard ] Re: Joni content of the list [Siresorrow@aol.com] RE: Joni's disturbing behaviour ["Wally Kairuz" ] Reeling in the years, very much JC [Vince Lavieri ] Radio Plays "Both Sides Now" ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] [Fwd: Joni Mitchell] [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Problems with Reprise site... [FredNow@aol.com] A few questions: false alarm [WittenWist@aol.com] Re: World Premiere of BSN Tune [Randy Remote ] memoirs?! [CaTGirl627@aol.com] WIN Front Row CSNY TICKETS & JONI ON THE WEB cont'd [mann@chicagonet.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:48:18 -0800 From: Robert Holliston Subject: Joni mention in Opera News hey y'all, I don't remember if this has already been posted - and I apologize if it has - but Joni was mentioned in the September 1999 issue of Opera News. Many opera singers, working and retired, were asked: "What's the greatest voice you ever heard?" Well, Susanne Mentzer, a mezzo-soprano who, among other things, recently appeared at the Met with Bryn Terfel, Cecilia Bartoli, and Renee Fleming in The Marriage of Figaro, listed four: "The ones that have touched me the most are Eileen Farrell, Kathleen Ferrier, Jo Stafford, and Joni Mitchell............I love what Joni Mitchell can do with her voice - the instrumental quality and the twists and turns and highs she can reach." A few other non-classical singers mentioned by these opera singers include: Johnny Hartman, Gertrude Lawrence, Gordon MacRae, and Frank Sinatra. Thought you might appreciate this ;-) Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Jan 2000 23:03:38 +0000 From: howard Subject: Joni content of the list From: Susan McNamara >Thanks, Alan, for your suggestion, but I think since this is a Joni >Mitchell discussion list, it should be contingent on people not wanting to >talk about Joni to tag their messages, not the other way around. My humble >opinion. Forgive me, but I feel a "me too" coming on ...! I agree with what Sue said. General chat, swapping of life experiences, stories etc etc are all fine on the list - provided that people try to label this non-joni stuff with NJC. It doesn't matter if a few posts slip through without the NJC tag - no big deal - but it does help the folk on only-joni to keep up to date if most of the stuff they receive is joni-related. The "scroll down or delete" is fine in principal, but when you are trying to catch up with many digests it gets hard work if there is too much non-joni stuff to sort through. Having the "all posts" and "only joni" options is a great way to try and keep all members of the list happy. To make it work, we just all need to follow a little list etiquette. Use NJC where appropriate, but if you forget sometimes, let's try to be tolerant. If you're not sure if it should be NJC or not - don't sweat! - just post anyway. The list is here for us to talk to each other after all! Kakki already made the point that there are a few grey areas - list get-togethers and discussion of what is/should be/shouldn't be on the list are some of them. Are these joni content? I think we should be relaxed about these grey areas. If most of the joni content and non-joni content is easy to separate, that's the main thing. As regards jonifests, I would definitely prefer them *not* to be labelled NJC! my 2 pence worth Howard W. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 09:08:12 +0000 From: howard Subject: Joni's tuning/writing method Martin asked: >I was wondering, has Joni ever explained how she developes/creates a >tuning for a song? Has she ever been asked about Woodstock in >particular? Does she have a method, or is it a more improvised >thing? Catherine McKay wrote: >Does she hear the song in her head first and then work out a tuning or does >she fool around on the guitar in a particular tuning and the song is born >out of that? I've heard Joni say several times that it is the latter "method" she normally uses. For guitar songs, the first thing to come is the tuning. This is usually before she has words or melody. She'll fiddle around with the tuning, until she stumbles on a tuning and some chords she likes, then she'll start to build that into a song structure. At some point she'll start to work on a melody, then words, using the mood of the chords and tuning to give her a starting point for the song's theme. On one of the tape tree interviews, she talks about Magdalene Laundries - - how she had this fairly straight forward, major key, fairly "up" sounding chord sequence that she needed words for. The mood suggested a fairly light, positive mood, but then she came across the newspaper article about the graves in Ireland, and the song was born - with the dark subject theme married with the "light spirited" chords. I think this happens quite often - not just with Joni - that if someone writes about a dark or serious theme, using very heavy serious chords and melody will often kill the song, making it sound too depressing. But having some "light" music with the serious words often works surprisingly well, and writers may choose to do this deliberately. I guess Little Green is a bit like this too. Howard W. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 04:17:55 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: A swift kick? Ah, Our dear Joan is human! What a surprise. Not to say that would condone what she did. Just admit that it is 'human.' In a moment of frustration and hurt, she reacted in a very human, some what childish manner, and she tried to inflict the hurt she received back on the person who hurt her. A very human reflex. (God, I hate the thought of her reading this thread at all.) A year ago a good buddy of mine, working a new job as a Gallery Director, asked me to put up a show in his space to cover for him. He needed the work to be finished in under 2 months time. I jokingly told him, that I'd be afraid someone might fall against the paintings and sue for having wet paint damage their clothes, or that everyone would be walking through the space with their noses turned up because the air would be saturated with drying paint fumes and terpentine. Anyway, I agreed to help him. He is a good friend after all. I began the series, typical of the paintings I often do when thinking 'Art', big A: very large heavy impasto male nude figures, very similar to early Leon Golub stuff without the clobbering action. Now the one stipulation that he made was: NO Penises. My figures aren't about nudity or sexuality anyway. They are meant to be 'universal symbols of human struggle' or something of that sort, so clothes are inappropriate to them. Anyway I agreed. Started painting, then decided, 'What the heck. Put it in. People have them don't they? It's not like I am making anything the least bit outrageous.' First month passes and my bud comes out to see how things are going. Well, he sees the hmmmhmmm's and has a fit. So, ok. I scrape them out. But he's still concerned that there is sexual content in the new work. "they aren't like your old work" he says. But Ed, I say, of course not. Those were done 10 years ago! Of course I've changed. But they look enough like the old stuff and you like the old stuff. The old stuff is the reason you asked me to do the new stuff in the first place. Besides, I tell him, they are only half finished. You will like them more when they are done. A month passes and my bud comes out with a truck to load them off to the gallery. The whole way there, the entire time it takes to situate them in the gallery, and the entire ride home he says not a word to me. We get a mile outside of Dekalb and he goes, " You can't even tell I'm mad at you, can you? --I've got to get something to eat or I will have a nervous breakdown...' Ok, I say. So we head to the local diner for lunch. Over lunch he proceeds to assault me with one condemnation after another: "You've lost it. Drawing comics have dulled your perceptions. You can't even see the sexual content, or the 'illustrative' content of your art. You're not an artist, you're just a cartoonist. And another thing, I (he) has always been upset that I got a temp position teaching illustration and I (he) wasn't offered the job. (ignoring obvious facts that I work as an illustrator and he was a painting major). "So don't put them up," I say. "If you don't like them, just don't show them. Why worry and stress over it." "Well," he says, "that's easy for YOU to say. You don't have a kid to raise. I (he) will probably loose my job because of this. People will come in to the gallery and all they will have to know and judge me by is the work I hang there. They will look at this stuff and I will probably lose my job and my kid will go hungry ...besides, (and this was the real dagger...) It's easy for you to say, 'Don't worry.' You don't have to worry because you live off your partner ('s income.) And inspite of all this venting, he still could not contain his frustration. I could see He was still wired to the hilt, so much so that he reared his leg back and kicked me under the table. Good n' hard. "Owwww!!!" I said, I can't believe you did that. You kicked me! The kick didn't bother me, other than my surprise. I was more hurt that I had done him a favor, spent 300 dollars in supplies and worked nervously for two solid months, only to have him gripe that I was called in for a job and he wasn't. Well, I made up in my mind that I was NOT going to the opening. Better that he took them down. A few days went by and I started thinking, 'if I don't go and administrators and the like ask where is the artist, he would be in the awkward position of having to explain my absence and he would be in even MORE hot water.' So I went. It turned out fine. No one demanded the gallery director be hung or that children be led from the exibit. People found them generally interesting to look at. We had to add 2 of my old works to have enough paintings to fill out the space. The paint didn't smell to any great degree and no one's shirt got mussed. The funniest part was, at the opening a woman came up and asked me, "How long did they take to do?" and I replied, looking at the 2 old pieces, "oh, a few years, between them all." Anyway, I didn't care the least that he kicked me. True, It took a while for the pain to ease from the hurtful things he said, but I forgave it, every word. Easily. He was worried and flustered and did something human. And the fact that he could be boorish or childish does not diminish him in the least in my eyes. The guy is only human and a pretty unique and fun and interesting human at that. Other than the nasty things humans do in groups, for the most part, being human works out to be a curious, beautiful ironic thing. Forgive and forget. Something both Joni and her maid should do. John. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 09:56:49 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni content of the list In a message dated 1/15/00 4:22:35 AM Eastern Standard Time, howard@souzoukakia.netscapeonline.co.uk writes: << If you're not sure if it should be NJC or not - don't sweat! - just post anyway. The list is here for us to talk to each other after all! >> thank god for a voice of reason. pat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 12:42:02 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni's disturbing behaviour the story omits the fact that the woman PAINTED JONI'S PIANO!!!! of course, i don't condone violence of any kind, but if i had a piano and my housekeeper decided in my absence that the color doesn't suit her personality and had it painted ... well, i can't even imagine what i would do to that person. maybe crack her skull open for starters. then, i'd probably forgive her. but my first reaction would be seismic!!! wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 12:46:06 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Any mo' news on JM in NOLA? whenever bob writes that he's listening to marcy gray, i always read MARY GRACE and i think "when did my pen pal's mom release a cd?!?!?!?" - ----- Mensaje original ----- > Bob > > NP: Macy Gray "Do Something" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:13:59 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: James Lee Stanley Hi there, A couple of weeks ago I raved about a singer-songwriter called James Lee Stanley. All of his CD's has been in constant spin in my CD-player for the latest week and a half, and I think I ought to give them a proper introduction: "Simpatico" ( 1988 ) - - This is his first album on his own label, Beachwood Records. Features a great song co-written with Leah Kunkel. - "Ripe For Distraction" ( 1990 ) - - Features, among others, Rita Coolidge, Stephen Bishop, Lowen & Navarro and Timothy B Schmit, and a song co-written with Severin Browne. - "The Envoy" ( 1992 ) - - A song cycle inspired by the U.S. political arena of the past twenty years. Contributions from Larry Carlton, Laurence Juber, Russ Kunkel, Lowen & Navarro, Michael Omartian and Peter Tork. - "Even Cowgirls Get The Blues" ( 1993 ) - - This album is partly recorded at Neil Young's Redwood Digital Studio by John Nowland ( one of the very few other artists that has been allowed to record in Neil's studio! ). Features, among others, Sheila E, Doug Haywood ( ex-Jackson Browne ), Bonnie Raitt and Scott Matthews. - "Domino Harvest" ( 1996 ) - - Great Westcoast-feel with contributions from Timothy B Schmit, Peter Tork, John Ford Coley, Paul Barrere and Corky Siegel. - "Two Man Band" ( 1996 ) - - Duo album by James Lee Stanley and Peter Tork. Features songs from both artists solo albums, as well as a great cover of The Monkees' "Pleasant Valley Sunday". - "Freelance Human Being" ( 1998 ) - - His latest album, only voice and guitar, with stripped down versions of songs from all of his albums, as well as a version of Donovan's "Fat Angel". - Copies of all of James' albums are available from : Beachwood Records 4872 Topanga Canyon Blvd Suite 223 Woodland Hills CA 91364 U.S.A. Tel: 818 - 888 - 3534 Email: Jameslee23@aol.com Chanman23@aol.com Website: http://www.jamesleestanley.com Great albums from a great artist! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 15:06:27 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Reeling in the years, very much JC "Reeling in the years" is the name of a syndicated rock show that plays at WLAV in Grand Rapids, 6:00-8:00 p.m. EST, on Sunday evenings. One of my buddies says that tomorrow's show includes something on Joni. Not sure how much, or what or when, but I would suppose that most of you could find this same syndicated radio show in your area. If not it can be found on http://www.wlav.com which has a radio that you can listen to online and I don't know if it is free or not. Now I cannot made tapes but if Kakki or Les email me in private their address, I will try - emphasis try - and get my buddy to record it and I will mail it off for a tape tree to Kakki or Les, if our ethics allow reproduction of a commercial broadcast (I have a touch of the flu and cannot struggle with ethical questions right now, just a simple yes or no to the ethics question will suffice). Better yet would be someone with better equipment recording it off their local station. I do suspect the Joni content to be significant enough to warrant everyone in the US trying to find the Reeling in the Years show (guess what its theme song is?) and someone taping it for those who do not get US syndicated shows. I recall that they have spent 15-30 minutes or more on some artists in the past, and this must be getting advertised enough that my buddy has called me twice about it. (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:42:59 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Radio Plays "Both Sides Now" My local radio station, WNKU, just played the new version of the song, "Both Sides Now". A chill began in my elbows, swept up my arms. The chill continued across my shoulder blades and up into my brain stem. She really 'lives' in this song, now. The arrangement starts with just a little long chord changes from the string section, then Joni takes over. And I do mean takes over! Beautiful. All the best, Jim, near Cincinnati, Ohio, USA Get well Wally! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 17:12:21 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: [Fwd: Joni Mitchell] This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------4924067BF7395820E377D1F6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-mac-type="54455854"; x-mac-creator="4D4F5353" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Just to share with you the one new thing I learned about Joni being on the radio tomorrow night; that is 6 p.m. Eastern Standard Time, and I really appreciate my friends keeping me posted ... (the Rev) Vince Mike wrote: > Just to remind you. Joni Mitchell on Reeling in the Years on WLAV, Sunday > Jan.16, 2000 at 6pm. > go to http://www.wlav.com to downlaod the player to listen to it. - --------------4924067BF7395820E377D1F6 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: Envelope-to: revrvl@pathwaynet.com Delivery-date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:20:08 -0500 Received: from [207.142.108.2] (helo=wingsisp.com) by uruguay.pathwaynet.com with smtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 129acC-0006tP-00 for revrvl@pathwaynet.com; Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:20:08 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.20000115162041.007aaec0@wingsisp.com> X-Sender: mhenry@wingsisp.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Pro Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 16:20:41 -0500 To: Vince Lavieri From: Mike Subject: Joni Mitchell Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" X-PATHWAY: PROCMAIL FROM URUGUAY TO revrvl X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Just to remind you. Joni Mitchell on Reeling in the Years on WLAV, Sunday Jan.16,2000 at 6pm. go to http://www.wlav.com to downlaod the palyer to listen to it. - --------------4924067BF7395820E377D1F6-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 18:28:25 EST From: FredNow@aol.com Subject: Re: Problems with Reprise site... Steve Dulson wrote: >The Reprise set won't take my order...keeps getting an error. >(Maybe they've see my credit card balance!:) ) I also couldn't >find the link to a contest. Don't tell me I'm too late! :( > >Can anyone help me out???? Can't help with the Reprise site, but borders.com is selling the limited edition for the same price, $39.99, and is currently taking orders. - -Fred ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 18:53:24 EST From: WittenWist@aol.com Subject: A few questions: false alarm Hi everyone, New to the list, enjoying your onlyjoni party. Breif intro: Patti Witten, working singer-songwriter from NewYork. I just returned Amelia to my performance repertoire (I only play one or two covers if any in a given gig) and listened to Hejira again recently. What memories it brings! It's is an all time fave, the vibe between her and Jaco is blushworthy. My comment on this question: 2) Literally and/or figuratively, what does she mean by "false alarm" in "Amelia"? >> You know when you decide your life/luck/mind/love is changing, due to sheer will or circumstance, but then, sadly, things are not as different as you hoped they'd be? Identifying with Amelia and her sad lost glory and the lost hopes, etc. My father told me he was distantly related to Amelia Earhardt (sp?), so I like to think I am too. I wonder whether they ever decided if those discovered bones on a remote island were hers? - ---------- Patti http://www.pattiwitten.com Memory mystifies and romanticizes certain things becomes its own reality, is that a banadage or a ring A story organizes it, becomes its own reward worded and reworded, a moral or a sword - ---------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 19:55:53 -0800 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: World Premiere of BSN Tune Kakki wrote: > I also was not aware that Sir George Martin had some hand in this - no > wonder the sound is so stupendous. Since Martin announced his retirement from the biz last year, and since the press release said only that BSN was recorded at a studio he owns, my guess is that he wasn't involved. Tho I would like to be wrong.... RR, who has already ordered a copy, and will probably order a second soon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 01:15:01 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: memoirs?! I was checking out Barnes and Noble and they have a hardback Joni Mitchell book called memoirs....does any one know what this is? Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2000 00:42:15 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: WIN Front Row CSNY TICKETS & JONI ON THE WEB cont'd Somebody's going to win these tickets. Wouldn't it be nice if one of us did??!! Go to: http://ubl.com/fp.asp?layout=main_artspot_page Click on box on the left. Or if that doesn't work, try: http://csnydirect.com/csny/main.asp Click on the WIN A PAIR OF FRONT ROW TICKETS! box at the top. Also while you're there put JONI MITCHELL in the search box, continuing Terry's idea of http://www.sonicnet.com. Looks like they got alot of their info. from Wally and credited him too under JONI MITCHELL SHOWCASE "On August 29th, 1995 the Joni Mitchell Homepage was launched on the World Wide Web. Built and maintained by collector and archivist Wally Breese, it filled a hole in the net as far as information about Joni was concerned." Fun place to look around if you haven't already. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ FREEBIES BELOW: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ No one can ever say they went hungry on the Joni List... FREE tin of brownies for filling out tiny survey http://www.stew-leonards.com/ Free Sample of Godet White Chocolate. Call toll-free, 1-888-879-4633 Free Bag of Craisins or Fresh Cranberries. Call toll-free, 1-800-662-3263 between 9-4 EST. Free Sample of Zours: brought to you by the makers of Mike and Ike and Hot Tamales, samples of this new candy is available at the following stores: Sam Goody, On Cue, Suncoast or Media Play. (Coupon is not on the web, samples are at the store registers). Laura :-) ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #18 ******************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?