From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #17 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, January 15 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 017 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: real good for free [M.Russell@iaea.org] 'BOTH SIDES NOW' Hows It Sound? [simon@icu.com] Re: real good for free [Martin Giles ] Re: real good for free [Martin Giles ] Hejira Guitars [Julian51469@aol.com] BSN website [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: BSN website ["Mark T. Domyancich" ] HOSL demos [Dmascall@aol.com] OKAY OKAY -- I'll buy it!!! [Don Rowe ] Re: OKAY OKAY -- I'll buy it!!! ["Ken (Slarty)" ] in the garden? [Louis Lynch ] Re: BSN for the academic ["Catherine McKay" ] World Premiere of BSN Tune on 'Dawson's Creek' on 1/19 [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: World Premiere of BSN Tune on 'Dawson's Creek' on 1/19 [Don Rowe ] A few questions [Kathleen Kajioka ] RE: A few questions [Louis Lynch ] Re: real good for free [Susan McNamara ] Re: real good for free [Susan McNamara ] Problems with Reprise site... [Steve Dulson ] Re: A few questions [Susan McNamara ] Chaka covers "Man From Mars" [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: A few questions [catman ] Any mo' news on JM in NOLA? [howard ] Joni's disturbing behaviour [Relayer211@aol.com] Re: Joni's disturbing behaviour [Scott Price ] Re: BSN website ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: A few questions [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Any mo' news on JM in NOLA? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni's disturbing behaviour [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Re: Joni's disturbing behaviour [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: Joni dreams ["Kakki" ] Re: Joni's disturbing behaviour [catman ] Re: Any mo' news on JM in NOLA? [howard ] Re: A few questions ["Mark or Travis" ] Bsn promo on ebay!!!!!! ["Russell Bowden" ] Joni on the web [TerryM2442@aol.com] 4 Lithos Now [JRMCo1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:39:47 +0100 From: M.Russell@iaea.org Subject: Re: real good for free >I once recorded some bird song and then >played it back three octaves down on a >sampler, (one quarter speed), and it didn't >sound all pretty and sweet anymore, it had >transformed into a series of very intimidating >bellows and roars. The birds seemed to be >shouting, "GET OFF MY TURF BUSTER!" >Which is probably how it sounds to other >birds. ROTFL!!!! Wish I could help you with your question. Personally, I think Joni just finds tunings by chance, plays around with chord patterns and then hears/sings melodies that eventually become a new song. I think the music part of it is all very intuitive and sometimes accidental. With the Woodstock song, which uses the Moon At The Window tuning, I'm sure she was in that tuning playing around one day and started hearing a snippet of the Woodstock melody over a sequence of chord changes and then searched around to find other chords in that tuning that she could use to play the whole song. For Real Good For Free, you might want to try making the tuning minor to start with - try DADFAD. Good luck! Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 05:17:11 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: 'BOTH SIDES NOW' Hows It Sound? in a recent message Robert Youngken writes ... >______________________________________________________________________ >Pardon me for turning the discussion of the upcoming CD away from >the fairly hefty price tag to something of even greater concern-does >anyone know if it is recorded in HDCD or regular (lousy) 16bit/44? >______________________________________________________________________ it's an HDCD release. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:01:22 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: real good for free M.Russell@iaea.org wrote: > > For Real Good For Free, you might want to try making the tuning minor to > start with - try DADFAD. Hi Marian. Yes you're right, D minor must be a good place to start. (That's actually the key it was written in originally wasn't it). But the tuning needs a twist to it to be truly Joniesque. I love it when She tunes adjacent strings only two or three semitones apart. Thanks for the advice - my guitar's going to get a bashin' this weekend! atb, Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 10:19:50 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: real good for free Scott Price replied to my overly cynical,"I know She's a hippy chick, but what key is a blackbird in?": > She does not have any concept of what key she's playing or > composing in... I'm rather ignorant about Joni in this respect. Is it really true that She doesn't know anything about the notes on the guitar, and theory of music? What happened, for instance, when Joni was working with Mingus? Didn't he write the music and She the words? How did Mingus convey his music to her? I know you can get a long way without 'formal' training, but it's difficult *not* to pick up some stuff, when surrounded by other musicians. Scott also said: > she'd describe to > Shorter that it was late at night, maybe raining outside, but they're > inside a smoky nightclub, women in evening gowns and men in coats and ties, > and "NOW play your sax with this in mind..." I can definitely see that - she's painting with words and music again. atb, Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 09:49:58 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Hejira Guitars John said: << Joni is going to sell her guitars from the Hejira tour and Fred was curious if I thought the list would be interested in knowing that.>> Duuuude! How about she sells the low E string off the guitar she wrote "Hejira" on...you know the one that's tuned down to a B. I'd buy it for $25 bucks and frame it with the inscription: "Heart String". Holy Sh*t! This is very important stuff here...serious mojo going down. ...And it sounds like the ghost of Georgia O'Keefe is haunting her to the point where she feels complete and satiated enough to get on with her painting in a full time manner. I am soooo happy for her. How about a coffee tabel book of all of those guitars with all of their stories printed along side. Very important, very important stuff. (shaking my head in amazement). Thank you very much for the story. Julian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:30:01 EST From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: BSN website Check out the reprise records website at www.repriserec.com and click on the photo of Joni to get an advance look at the limited edition BSN. It is not to be believed!!! You can also place an advance order for $10 off the suggested price (they are offering it for $39.98 plus shipping and handling). There is also a contest to win artist proofs of the new Joni lithographs. The website is nicely designed and gives a great preview for what promises to be a great CD and CD package. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:16:57 -0600 From: "Mark T. Domyancich" Subject: Re: BSN website Wow, the limited edition is BEAUTIFUL!!!!! I am defintely getting it! And the lithos are suitable for framing! :D Thanks for posting this info, Stephen. At 12:30 PM -0500 1/14/00, SMEBD@aol.com wrote: >Check out the reprise records website at www.repriserec.com and click on the >photo of Joni to get an advance look at the limited edition BSN. It is not >to be believed!!! You can also place an advance order for $10 off the >suggested price (they are offering it for $39.98 plus shipping and handling). > There is also a contest to win artist proofs of the new Joni lithographs. >The website is nicely designed and gives a great preview for what promises to >be a great CD and CD package. Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:45:15 EST From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: HOSL demos In what form are the HOSL demos available? If there's one set of non-official Joni recordings I would love to hear it's these. David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 11:49:25 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: OKAY OKAY -- I'll buy it!!! God I hate myself sometimes ... but having now discovered that the BSN "special edition" is, according to the website, "personally signed" by Joni ... well that's another whole kettle of fish! My order's been placed -- and I'm off to my cave to put my hair shirt on. Me and my big mouth ... Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:03:44 -0500 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: OKAY OKAY -- I'll buy it!!! You're kidding, right.?! Joni's wrist must be more worn out than Crosbys. Don Rowe wrote: > according to the website, "personally signed" by Joni ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:13:31 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: in the garden? Hi all, I keep seeing references to "In the Garden" in your now playing lists. Is this an album? Could someone provide more information about it? By the way, I went to www.repriserec.com based on Stephen's recommendation. It's a magical website -- as soon as you click on the picture of Joni Mitchell, your other hand automatically reaches for your credit card. Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:17:05 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: BSN for the academic This sounds good to me: >The Ontological meets the Transcendent: The Eschatological >Revelation in >the Theophonophic Message of God's Troubadour Joni Mitchell, an >exercise >in the dialectic of both sides now: Hegelian synthesis or >Melanchthonic >tension?. Epistoligcal and Hermenutical implication shall also be >considered This sounds even better! Wonder if I could convince my boss that there's something here of relevance to work and could get them to spring for the tab... >By popular demand I can do this is at a JoniFest and make your >attendance partly deductible, and prove that the art world can't >hold a >candle to the Theology world when it comes to insider jargon! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 15:18:07 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: World Premiere of BSN Tune on 'Dawson's Creek' on 1/19 I'm so excited about the BSN Special Edition. It's hard to imagine that Joni will actually sign each one herself though. How could she? I'll suspend my disbelief for now. On the Reprise site in behind the "News" icon this press release emerged today. I've never seen this TV series before, but I'll be tuned in on Wednesday, 1/19. Interestiing what Klein had to say about Joni's concept of BSN's theme, I think. - -Julius NEW JONI MITCHELL ALBUM SLATED FOR RELEASE WB Television Show Dawson’s Creek To World Premiere Track Wednesday, January 19th Hit WB Television series Dawson’s Creek will world premiere a track from BOTH SIDES NOW, the new album from singer-songwriter Joni Mitchell which will be released by Reprise Records this Spring. The song will air on the Wednesday, January 19th episode of the popular weekly dramatic series. "We think that this is our strongest use of music and our strongest episode of the season," said Dawson’s Creek Executive Producer Paul Stupin. "Joni’s voice and this song are as timeless as the stories we try to depict, and for a show that is known for music from female vocalists, we’re proud to have the ultimate." A passionate song cycle about love in all of its manifestations, BOTH SIDES NOW contains twelve tracks recorded at Sir George Martin’s studio in London, England, with seventy members of the London Symphony Orchestra. A release date has been set for March 21st with a limited numbered edition available in time for Valentine’s Day which will come in a specially-designed box created by Mitchell and containing three of her lithographs. Featuring sultry, dramatic renditions of love songs from the 1920’s to the present, the CD was produced by Mitchell and Larry Klein, and features guest performances by artists Herbie Hancock, Mark Isham and Wayne Shorter. BOTH SIDES NOW showcases Joni like she’s never been heard before, singing music that she loves to sing, including such great vocal standards as "You’re My Thrill," "Stormy Weather" and "At Last." Also included on the album are fully orchestrated versions of two classic Mitchell songs, "Both Sides Now" and "A Case Of You" "Joni came up with the idea of having the record trace the arc of a modern romantic relationship," says co-producer Klein, "From initial flirtation through optimistic consummation, metamorphosing into disillusionment, ironic despair, and finally resolving in the philosophical overview of acceptance and the probability of the cycle repeating itself." An innovator at the forefront of folk, jazz, pop, avant-garde and world music, nearly half of Mitchell’s studio albums have been certified gold or platinum and she is the recipient of four Grammys. A complete track listing for BOTH SIDES NOW is as follows: "You’re My Thrill," "At Last," "Comes Love," "You’ve Changed," "Answer Me, My Love," "A Case Of You," Don’t Go To Strangers," "Sometimes I’m Happy," "Don’t Worry ’Bout Me," "Stormy Weather," "I Wish I Were In Love Again" and "Both Sides Now." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:48:20 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: World Premiere of BSN Tune on 'Dawson's Creek' on 1/19 GOODBYE CRUEL WORLD!!!!! Now before everyone jumps in with the "gee isn't it great that the teen-somethings will be exposed to Joni" and so on and so on -- this is unthinkable beyond any hope of decency. I had the same reaction to the Paul Westerberg and John Hiatt songs being used on "Party of Five" which not a soul in the show's target audience noticed -- oh I can't even rant any more -- I have to go floss -- or something. Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 12:49:37 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: World Premiere of BSN Tune Julius, thanks so much for this alert! You wrote: >I'm so excited about the BSN Special Edition. It's hard to imagine that Joni will actually sign each >one herself though. How could she? I'll suspend my disbelief for now. I believe it, but it also makes me think the supply may be more limited than we think. This is an incredible "surprise" and unbelievably generous of her. Certainly beats out the tin ear in TI, eh? ;-) The other "surprise" that may mean more to us arty types than others is that it appears in the Reprise web site photo that there is a small stack of CDs designed to look like old 45 records. I think this was one of the "surprises" Robbie was hinting at to us because he mentioned it in regard to the "well" that holds the CD. The box is fairly deep so this would make sense. How incredible - I'm just blown away -and if they don't win the Grammy for art/packaging, I will be completely dumbfounded. One thing that is not really clear is the following: >which will come in a specially-designed box created by Mitchell and containing three of her >lithographs. The Reprise website ad also mentions only 3 lithos in its copy, yet it shows 4 lithos in its photos and there are 4 new paintings. Wonder what is up with that? I also was not aware that Sir George Martin had some hand in this - no wonder the sound is so stupendous. Kakki, going to order her 3rd copy before they sell out! ;-D NP: Joni - No Apologies ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:48:20 -0500 From: Kathleen Kajioka Subject: A few questions Hi Everyone. I have a few questions that I want to put out for discussion: 1) Does anyone know what/who "Michael from Mountains" is about? 2) Literally and/or figuratively, what does she mean by "false alarm" in "Amelia"? 3) Literally and/or figuratively, what is "Blue" about? 4) Literally and/or figuratively, who is "The Dawntreader"? Looking forward to your responses. Kathleen in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 13:53:19 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: A few questions SIMPLE QUESTIONS, KATHLEEN... 1) Does anyone know what/who "Michael from Mountains" is about? CATMAN. 2) Literally and/or figuratively, what does she mean by "false alarm" in "Amelia"? ORIGINALLY, "BLACK CROW" WAS SUPPOSED TO BE AIRED ON THE BRADY BUNCH EPISODE FEATURING JAN'S FIRST KISS. BUT IT WAS CUT AT THE LAST MINUTE, SO JONI DUBBED IN THE VERSE IN RETALIATION. 3) Literally and/or figuratively, what is "Blue" about? CATMAN AGAIN. MOST OF JONI'S SONGS ARE ABOUT HIM, ACTUALLY. 4) Literally and/or figuratively, who is "The Dawntreader"? THAT WOULD BE DON ROWE. (Sorry, everyone, this sarcasm will pass. I think it's because I quit smoking for Christmas and by brain is not used to getting oxygen.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:02:42 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: real good for free Good luck, Martin. And remember to submit whatever you come up with to the Guitar page! It's a rich exchange (it seems to me)!! :-) > >Thanks Sue, and all who have responded. I really hope that I can come up >with something 'authentic'. It would be a blast to record it and see >what everyone thinks! > >atb, >Martin. > ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:06:41 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: real good for free I love it when Joni tunes to the City, too. While listening to the HOSL demo today I loved the taxi honking effect she gets with the guitar during Harry's House. I think that performance is my favorite on the demo! On the actual album the screaming of the horns at the beginning is a perfect arrangement of a landing plane. Of course, you all know that! :-) >In the promotional video for Hits and Misses, filmed around her property in >British Columbia, Joni discusses tuning to nature and there is a segment >with her sitting on a cliff overlooking the ocean and strumming the sounds >she hears on the guitar. > >Kakki > >NP: Steely Dan - Black Cow ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 14:14:22 -0800 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Problems with Reprise site... The Reprise set won't take my order...keeps getting an error. (Maybe they've see my credit card balance!:) ) I also couldn't find the link to a contest. Don't tell me I'm too late! :( Can anyone help me out???? ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 17:18:39 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: A few questions > >4) Literally and/or figuratively, who is "The Dawntreader"? > I'll answer this one: The Dawntreader is the name of David Crosby's sailboat. The sailor is David. ... the taste of the sea he takes and he learns to give...he aches and he learns to live...he stakes all his silver on a promise to be free... one of my favorite early Joni tunes... ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:00:50 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Chaka covers "Man From Mars" The NY Times ripped Chaka Khan a new orafice in their review of her jazz set at New York City's 'Blue Note' last Tuesday. The headline read "Chaka Khan: The Pop Diva as Would-Be Jazz Singer," and it was down hill from there. Nevertheless, the article mentioned that she sang her friend Joni's "Man From Mars" from TTT fairly well. So that's the third rendition of that song that I'm aware of for those of us scoring at home(Joni's, the singer on the unrecalled "Grace of My Heart" soundtrack, and now Khan). Interesting... http://www.nytimes.com/00/01/14/news/arts/khan-music-review.html - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:38:45 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: A few questions Susan McNamara wrote: > > > >4) Literally and/or figuratively, who is "The Dawntreader"? > > > > I'll answer this one: The Dawntreader is the name of David Crosby's > sailboat. The sailor is David. ... the taste of the sea he takes and he > learns to give...he aches and he learns to live...he stakes all his silver > on a promise to be free... Gosh this Crosby bloke gets around.... > > > one of my favorite early Joni tunes... > > ____________________ > /____________________\ > ||-------------------|| > || Sue McNamara || > || sem8@cornell.edu || > ||___________________|| > || O etch-a-sketch O || > \___________________/ > > > > "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:04:32 -0800 From: howard Subject: Any mo' news on JM in NOLA? What's up with the old gal in N'Awlins? Howard M. NP: Nanci Griffiths Other Voices, Others Rooms, too. "Anytime you have the opportunity to accomplish something for someone coming behind you and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:07:32 EST From: Relayer211@aol.com Subject: Joni's disturbing behaviour Like everyone here on this list,I am a big fan of Joni Mitchell and her music.I have noticed it is acceptable to talk about what we don't like about some of Joni's music.I hope I won't get won't get flamed for pointing out something I found disturbing and offensive about Joni's behaviour.I bought the Joni Mitchell companion recently and thouroughly enjoyed it.The interviews and reviews are very interesting.As much as I enjoy the book,however,I was outraged (as the last paragraph of the introduction warned I might be)by Joni admitting that she had kicked her housekeeper.According to Joni,her housekeeper took money from Joni to return to her home in Guatamala.Apparently the housekeeper lied and went to Europe instead.Joni became so angry that she kicked the woman in the shin.I found this totally apalling.certainly what the housekeeper did was wrong,but two wrongs do not make a right.There is no excuse for physically violent behaviour towards an emplyee(or anyone else.)This is behaviour that my 3 year old nephew would know better then to do,much less a grown woman and artist.This doesn't mean I value Joni or her music less overall,but I think it's worth speaking out against.Just because I admire artists like Joni Mitchell doesn't mean I can't speak out when they do things I find offensive. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 16:23:01 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Joni's disturbing behaviour At 07:07 PM 1/14/00 EST, Relayer211@aol.com wrote: >I was outraged (as the last paragraph of the introduction warned >I might be)by Joni admitting that she had kicked her housekeeper. I for one would wait until the WHOLE story came out before making any judgments. Was it in self-defense? The article you mention did not state the full set of circumstances leading to the incident. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 13:33:57 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: BSN website Stephen wrote: >Check out the reprise records website at www.repriserec.com >and click on the photo of Joni to get an advance look at the >limited edition BSN Yeah, except they won't ship outside the US! Not fair! I'll have to try CDNOW, at USD$5 more, which will probably mean I'm paying NZD$100+ for this! Guess I must really love Joni! Incidentally, I had another Joni dream last night! A friend (no idea who) and I were somewhere with Joni, and she had a new book out. Kind of a large "coffee-table" type book, about 30x40 cm in size. Anyway, I asked her if she would please sign it, and she took it over to a corner of the room. I tried to see what (and on what page) she was writing, but she wouldn't let me look. She finally handed the book back, saying "I know you're a big fan, so I thought you deserved something special". I opened the book, flicked through until I saw something sketched. She'd used a page with a photo on half of it, and on the other half, had sketched a kind of landscape scene (in black marker), quite reminiscent of the CAS album cover, and underneath had written "Helen, thank you for being such a great fan, love Joni" Boy, if only that was real! Not just the dream itself, but the book in the dream! It was full of song lyrics, poems, random notes and paintings and sketches. But I'm sure this is a "psychic" kind of dream, and Joni will release this soon! Helen _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz - -----Original Message----- From: SMEBD@aol.com To: joni@smoe.org Date: Saturday, 15 January 2000 06:32 Subject: BSN website >. It is not >to be believed!!! You can also place an advance order for $10 off the >suggested price (they are offering it for $39.98 plus shipping and handling). > There is also a contest to win artist proofs of the new Joni lithographs. >The website is nicely designed and gives a great preview for what promises to >be a great CD and CD package. > >Stephen > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:53:00 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: A few questions In a message dated 1/14/00 3:48:29 PM US Central Standard Time, kathkaj@istar.ca writes: << 2) Literally and/or figuratively, what does she mean by "false alarm" in "Amelia"? >> This gets discussed a lot here, Kathleen...the excerpt from "Companion" says: "In this song, I was thinking of Amelia Earhart and addressing it from one solo pilot to another...sort of reflecting on the cost of being a woman and having something you must do." So what is the "false alarm"? IMO it is her relationship that she is reflecting on, and discovering that it is not "the real thing"... What Joni would also say is that what's important is what it means to YOU. Bob NP: The Cars, "Don't You Stop" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:53:49 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Any mo' news on JM in NOLA? In a message dated 1/14/00 6:03:56 PM US Central Standard Time, howard@mpimedia.com writes: << What's up with the old gal in N'Awlins? >> The old gal turned into Carly Simon...it was just a false alarm... :~( Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:14:56 -0500 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Re: Joni's disturbing behaviour >"If you ask me why I kick them, Well I really can't say, I guess mother nature just made me that way. If you ask me why I kick them, Well I really don't know, I guess cause Satan done told me so. I gotta do something to save my soul, Cause I'm falling down a big, black hole. I'm going to hell with all the devils and the witches, That's why I be kickin' my bitches." from "Kickin' My Bitches(the parody of a pimp)" by Alan Joyner writer of such hits as "Shock Treatment's (better than murder)", "Music for Ganga", "Everybody Get Naked"(performed by Atlanta Band Deep Blue Sun at the Annual Nudefest in South Carolina....Bob?), "Monster (from the bottom of your heart), and "I'm Gonna Tell Your Mama", and many more get yours now for $19.95 Get the special edition!!! Comes in a purple box that kicks you when you aren't suspecting and shocks you if you try to remove this cd from your player before playing it all the way through. And if you don't order this cd NOW then, I'm gonna tell your mama. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:48:58 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's disturbing behaviour i have not read the story, but as relayer describes it, it doesn't shock me all that much. you don't know the full scope of their history together. for me, and i know i don't think the same as a lot of people, the fact that she did it and admits it, endears her to me. it shows her humanity and imperfection. it was a kick in the shin. could have been a punch to the face. it's almost humorus. household situations can get pretty emotional at times. it sounds very human to me. pat ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 18:04:19 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni dreams Helen dreamed: > Incidentally, I had another Joni dream last night! "coffee-table" type book, about 30x40 cm in size. Anyway, I asked her if she would please sign it, and she took it over to a corner of the room. I > tried to see what (and on what page) she was writing, but she wouldn't let me look. She finally handed the book back, saying "I know you're a big fan, so I thought you deserved something special". Boy, if only that was real! Not just the dream itself, but the book in the dream! It was full of song lyrics, poems, random notes and paintings and sketches. But I'm sure this is a "psychic" kind of dream, and Joni will release this soon! I've come to never discount premonitory dreams! Back in 1997 when I was still new to the list and barely knew anyone on it, and before the concept of a "Jonifest" was even a gleam in a JMDL'ers eye, I had an incredibly vivid dream that we all got together for a weekend at a beautiful estate somewhere in California. When we arrived we were all stunned to see Joni there with Larry, Brian Blade, Greg Liesz and other band members playing on a small stage for us. Within 8 months both of these things basically came to past in real life. Julie Webb held the first Jonifest in Pittsburgh and JMDL'ers were invited by Joni to the private Warner Bros. tapings for the PWWAM show. Never in my wildest daydreams did I think this could happen. May all our dreams come true ;-) Kakki NP: Marshall Crenshaw - Fantastic Planet of Love ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 02:13:34 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni's disturbing behaviour > I found disturbing and offensive about Joni's behaviour.I > bought the Joni Mitchell companion recently and thouroughly enjoyed it.The > interviews and reviews are very interesting.As much as I enjoy the > book,however,I was outraged (as the last paragraph of the introduction warned > I might be)by Joni admitting that she had kicked her housekeeper. And thus discovering that our Joni is human. I would be the last one to condone physical violence but you know this hardly ranks as such a terrible sin. She didn't strangle her or beat her senseless-she kicked her in the shin after being provoked. give her a break. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 21:12:57 -0800 From: howard Subject: Re: Any mo' news on JM in NOLA? Oh, woe is me. SCJoniGuy@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/14/00 6:03:56 PM US Central Standard Time, > howard@mpimedia.com writes: > > << What's up with the old gal in N'Awlins? >> > > The old gal turned into Carly Simon...it was just a false alarm... :~( > > Bob NP: Macy Gray "Do Something" "Anytime you have the opportunity to accomplish something for someone coming behind you and you don't, you are wasting your time on this earth." Roberto Clemente ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 19:56:35 -0800 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: A few questions Kathleen asks: > 2) Literally and/or figuratively, what does she mean by "false alarm" in > "Amelia"? And I reply: Here's something I posted as a possible answer to this question awhile back: Specifically I think the song is about a breakup. More generally I think it is about searching for something - love, happiness, fulfillment, glory - and being ultimately frustrated by wrong turns & dead ends. Are the six jet planes really the hexagram of the heavens, some kind of sign pointing the way to fulfillment? No, they're just a false alarm. Is the drone of those flying engines calling you to find what you seek by wandering from place to place? Nope. Just another false alarm. Will leaving your present circumstances and travelling to those places people have gone to & are telling you to go to bring you the happiness you want? No, it's just another false alarm. Will the arms you crashed into when the overwhelming feeling you felt when you looked down on everything caused you to lose your balance keep you safe and make you happy? Guess again. Another false alarm. Is there some answer in fulfilling that dream to fly? Not for Amelia. She was swallowed by the sky or the sea. No answer there, just another false alarm. Finally the dreams of 747's over geometric farms are just a symptom of your wanderlust and don't really mean anything. They're all just dreams, dreams & false alarms. For what it's worth. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 20:43:05 PST From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: Bsn promo on ebay!!!!!! Gang, I was checking out Joni on ebay and there is a promo of BSN with picture....There are 6 days left on the auction... Is this legal..should I (or any of us) bid?? It did say promo...The given location is LA. Help me, I'm think I'm tearing in half again. Love, Russ of the Joni Police Squad ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Jan 2000 23:47:12 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Joni on the web Found a neat website that has a whole area of Joni stuff- audio clips, bio, links, etc. Check out http://www.sonicnet.com and type in her name. Neat pix of her on her front page, too. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2000 00:41:01 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: 4 Lithos Now Kakki noted: << The Reprise website ad also mentions only 3 lithos in its copy, yet it shows 4 lithos in its photos and there are 4 new paintings. Wonder what is up with that?>> They stand corrected. The Reprise site now says four lithographs in the BSN promo. Which one of our jmdl's finest tipped them off? While we're at it...what's that white piece of paper in the photo? I figure it's liner notes. - -Julius ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #17 ******************************** Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?