From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #6 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, January 5 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 006 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The London Jonifest 2000! [Rob Jordan ] Re: The London Jonifest 2000! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] London Joni Fest 2000 the whole story (long part 1) [Jamie Zubairi ] Grammy (SJC) [Jerry Notaro ] RE: The London Jonifest 2000! ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: What ONE album would you loan? ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: What ONE album would you loan? [Don Rowe ] Re: What ONE album would you loan? [Michael ] Re: What ONE album would you loan? [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: What ONE album would you loan? ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] Re: What ONE album would you loan? ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] Re: PRICK [catman ] Re: What ONE album would you loan? [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: What ONE album would you loan? [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: What ONE album would you loan? ["Mark T. Domyancich" ] JoniLondon2000FestThing [Chris Marshall ] PRICK ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] Re: Some Little musings [CaTGirl627@aol.com] RE: which joni to loan... ["Alison Einerson" ] Re: Grammy (SJC) [Dflahm@aol.com] RE: Grammy (SJC) [Louis Lynch ] First of the millenium... [Louis Lynch ] London Jonibash [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: What ONE album would you loan? [Kathleen Kajioka ] London Jonifest [Gertus@aol.com] Re: What ONE album would you loan ["Alan Lorimer" ] RE: LondonFest ["Wally Kairuz" ] Not to Blame [simon@icu.com] The BIRTH OF THE COOL Sessions [simon@icu.com] What ONE album would you loan? [evian ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 12:34:50 +0000 From: Rob Jordan Subject: Re: The London Jonifest 2000! At 11:34 PM 1/4/00 -0800, Kakki wrote: >I'm so glad Martin got it on tape. Is there any >possibility of a "Jonifest Cellar Sessions Box Set" release? (please!) I was thinking of "the basement tapes", but I think someone pipped us to it! Let me just add my sentiments to what, I'm sure, will soon become a mountain of praise. It was a wonderful gathering. I hope it doesn't sound to cute or corny, but Joni-people just seem so nice! Meeting people I've come to know by e-mail over 3+ years on the list was terrific... there's still this strong bond, even though I'm now a lurker for most of the time. I hope Jacky won't mind if I share something she said to me. She said her new year's resolution last year was to give up the list as it was too time-consuming. But here she is a year later, still plugged into this compulsive community. I can certainly identify with that, I bet many others can. To Jamie for organising, thank you. It was a great venue (I'm thawed out now!) with tons of atmosphere, and a space that was just the right size to make our own. And to the musicians, thanks for taking the plunge to get up there and play for us, you were brilliant. Chris is altogether too modest about his bass playing, it was fantastic and really added to the experience. Jamie tackled some incredibly difficult material and carried it off with aplomb. His duet with Adeola on My Secret Place was a gem; can't wait to hear that on the tape. And Marian, as loads of you already know, is nonpareil as a performer of Joni songs - note-perfect and with great soul. My only regrets are (a) we couldn't carry on all night, and (b) I didn't pluck up courage to ask for Marian's famed 'All Along the Watchtower'. We missed a few people (realising I could get in hot water if I've overlooked anyone - advance apologies). I would have really liked Colin to be there, and Howard, and Philip. If you're reading, too bad you couldn't make it, and maybe next time. Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 08:23:49 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The London Jonifest 2000! Kakki made the motion: <> And I second!! Congrats to all, sounds like a great Fest! Isn't it magical when we JMDLer's get together?! And I would also love to HEAR the recordings and would be glad to "CD-Tree" the set here in the US. And it's great to have everyone back from holiday and Joni-mail in the mailbox again - it's been too quiet! Bob NP: Freedy Johnston, "Until The Sun Comes Back Again" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 13:17:03 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: London Joni Fest 2000 the whole story (long part 1) Well, the day started when I was coming back from work, in a rush to get home to meet with Marian Russell and Chris Marshall. I got there and there was this lady sitting on my front porch playing a guitar. Bless her. After brief hellos and were-you-waiting-longs and no-I-just-mis-timed-the-journeys type thing we get into my flat when I discover that two lights have blown in the hall. First in a list of things that my flatmates haven't looked into while I was at work. But I'm not going to go into that. Chris arrives in his great big whale of a car packed to the brim with equipment. We unload and more or less start straight away with getting down to the business of the music after another round of hellos and did-you-find-it-okays etc. We jam for a while a few songs that we decide to do with a full line-up. Marian and I comment on how different it sounds to play the songs with the bass playing that eccentric melody that Jaco plays. Chris says that it feels so different playing with actual guitars and not playing to a CD . A pasta lunch of mushroom with Stilton and coriander (a Zubairi recipe) followed by another rehearsal of the songs. We pack Chris' car even fuller with our guitars and posters and bags and ourselves and head our way down to the Troubadour. London traffic and crazy driving being what it is we arrive slightly later than anticipated. Azeem Ali Khan and Jason Maloney are already there. It was great to see Jason up and about. And Azeem! So different to when we last met. Gone is the goatee and the long hair (we swapped, except I got rid of any Christmas goatee yesterday). I thought that there was a new member that I hadn't met but somehow knew my name. More members arrive. Martin Giles who I almost mistook for an actor friend, Brian Protheroe (sorry, if this offends Martin! ;-)) but younger. Jovial Gerry McNee, always with a smile. I saw Jacky (sorry, I don't know your family name) thru the door, clutching a coffee, and not least, my main Joni dealer and supplier Rob Jordan. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 14:04:00 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: London Jonifest 2000. The whole story (long pt 2) It gets to 8pm and we've made all our introductions. Marian mentions that we should make a start and I'm glad that she did. I can't remember the songs that we did but I think she started off with Coyote. The sweet thing that she is she asked my how I did my little slidey thing when I play it and she used it throughout the song. Marian plays wonderfully and, if I'm not mistaken, note for note, sometimes in her own key, but mainly in Joni's. And with a tenderly beautiful soprano voice that reaches notes some Joni's can't. (If someone made notes of the playlist, I would appreciate it). In France They Kiss On Mainstreet Coyote Harry's House Edith and The Kingpin Don't Interrupt The Sorrow Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Just Like This Train Ladies Of The Canyon Woman Of Heart and Mind Sisotowbell Lane People's Parties Trouble Child (by which time I had completely forgotten how to play) My Secret Place (with Adeola Martin) Hejira Refuge Of the Roads Off Night Backstreet Cotton Avenue (and the epic Overture! Wow!) Silky Veils of Ardour Both Sides, Now Three Great Stimulants Big Yellow Taxi Strange Boy We had an interval somewhere in between and ended at 11:15. I must say that after weeks of anticipation and practise and 'first-night nerves', playing Joni to a crowd of listeners is wonderful. And when you have the full complement of the bass, it's just mind-blowing. I don't think that it has sunken in properly what we did last night. I can't believe that I organised something that people actually enjoyed. In the drive back I was full of the joys of someone who had just come off a good night's performance, with a receptive crowd. I'm so glad everyone said they enjoyed it. My friends who turned up said that the evening was inspiring (It has given Adeola a taste going back to doing gigs as opposed to just acting). Buoyant and glowing. My playing did get more relaxed after the initial nerves, when I started to get into it. Marian was faultless in her playing and Chris was certainly the voice that is missing when I play any of those Hejira period songs on my own. It has given me a taste for playing Joni's music publicly, having never really ventured beyond the security of a blues/rock band in the early 90's. Most important was meeting the UK (and Euro) Midlers, I mean Jimdlers and 'putting faces to names' and such the like. Oh the joys of internet communities such as these. And speaking in the same tongue and not being looked at like a freak when you start to go on about tunings and basslines and the Hejira period and everything idiosyncratically Joni. I can't believe I also left the venue without actually paying them! I quickly corrected that this morning though. Oops! Much more Joni Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Jan 1980 14:06:03 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: LACE interview Could someone send me the post with the transcribed LACE interview? I only resub-bed yesterday so I missed it! Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 09:33:49 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Grammy (SJC) Does anyone know if David's cd did get a Grammy Nomination? Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:33:32 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: The London Jonifest 2000! way to go, guys!!!! i'm so jealous you got to hang out with marian and i will have to wait until may! now, where are those london jonifest pictures? i want to put faces on all of you! love, wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:44:34 EST From: Kleronomos@aol.com Subject: What ONE album would you loan? What ONE album would you loan to someone to introduce them to the music of Joni Mitchell? Dan NP: crosby/collins "Heros" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 09:51:20 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: What ONE album would you loan? Hejira, it embodies all her philosophies on life, love, and music. In a perfect world where I didn't have restrictions, I would give someone three CDs to encapsulate her highpoints: BLUE HEJIRA TURBULENT INDIGO sue >What ONE album would you loan to someone to introduce them to the music of >Joni Mitchell? > >Dan >NP: crosby/collins "Heros" ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:58:18 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: What ONE album would you loan? hejira!!! wallyk > What ONE album would you loan to someone to introduce them to the music of > Joni Mitchell? > > Dan > NP: crosby/collins "Heros" > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:02:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: What ONE album would you loan? <> Shadows & Light ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:07:19 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: "Ideal" Painting the painting has four words on each side of the frame. I know they all start with I: Ideal, Idle, and two others I can't remember. Unfortunately I don't have my copy of TTT here and I couldn't find the painting on Wally's site, but my guess would be the Art Mafia thinks that this painting is too romantic and naive: I'm pretty sure it's a rendition of a Maxfield Parrish image which is much too old fashioned and trite for modern sensibilities. When I saw the painting the first time I thought it was wonderful. Joni was going through a period where she was very much influenced by the Pre-Raphaelites of the late 19th century. The painting of the woman reclining on the Turbulent Indigo cd is an interpretation of Lord Leighton's Flaming June. I think these painters used the type of colors and emotional images that Joni could open up to. And it also goes along with her patterned quest to go against the grain: HIP IS A HERD MENTALITY. She said it and I'm sure she doesn't give the controversy the slightest thought. Sue >I asked this question before Xmas, but either everyone was too busy, or know >one knows! > >What is WallyB talking about in the following transcript from his weekend >with Joni, re: the ruckus with the picture frame? > >"Also up on the wall is the "ideal" painting of Don Freed sitting on a cliff >in B.C., which was used both in the TTT album package and as the curtain >backdrop during many of the shows on her first tour with Dylan in 1998. I >was told that during an exhibition of Joni's paintings, the frame of this >picture caused quite a ruckus with those folks who are "in the know" about >such things. They insist it's important to keep up with the trends, >apparently -- note to self." > >Can anyone help, ie. WHY did it cause a ruckus, or am I missing something >really obvious? > >Helen >_______________________________ >"I don't believe in livin' in the middle with >available extremes" - Carole King > >hell@ihug.co.nz ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 07:13:18 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: What ONE album would you loan? That depends on what intelligence I'm able to gather about my intended convert's musical tastes ... but Hejira, C&S, NRH have been my most consistent performers in getting folks "hooked." Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 07:25:01 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Subject: Re: What ONE album would you loan? Interesting question! It would depend on the person. I have a 15-year-old cousin who is learning to play guitar. She loves Jewel and Sarah McLaughlin. I wanted to get her something for Christmas that would broaden her horizons a little bit. She told me she liked "stuff with a hippie vibe". So I got her LOTC on CD. She loves it! I thought it was a great choice for someone with her tastes in her age group. The songs were perfect for her and where she's at. She told me days later that she couldn't stop playing it, and that her favorite songs were "For Free", "Big Yellow Taxi" and "Morning Morgantown". It was at around her age that I received my first Joni as a present (HOSL on LP!), so it was cool to turn someone in my family at that same age on to Joni! I felt HOSL to be a little obtuse at that age, but I warmed up to it after a few listens and it has held up through the years brilliantly as one of my favorite Jonis. Michael NP. kd lang: Fado Hilario (from Onda Sonora: Red Hot and Lisbon) __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 10:27:28 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: What ONE album would you loan? Don Rowe said it all for me: << but Hejira, C&S, NRH have been my most consistent performers in getting folks "hooked." >> These are the 3 albums I have found to get people "hooked" on Joni, but if I could only go with ONE, I'd say "Hejira". Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 10:30:35 -0500 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: Re: What ONE album would you loan? That's actually a tough question since you may not want to lend YOUR favorite out; a) because you may not get it back and b) because Hejira, though my personal favorite, took time to grow in me. I think "Blue" would be a safer bet since some of the songs are recognizable and downright catchy. (and I have 2 copies ;-) ) - -Jenny Wally Kairuz wrote: > > hejira!!! > wallyk > > > What ONE album would you loan to someone to introduce them to the music of > > Joni Mitchell? > > > > Dan > > NP: crosby/collins "Heros" > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 10:35:42 -0500 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: PRICK hehehehehehehehehehehehe! - -Jenny Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: > > y'all did not know that at the first millenium, there was a st. augustine > discussion list that had started late in the 4th century. on that list, they > carved tablets and posted them on public stone boards for all to see. > > at that time, there was a great question as to weather or not the millenium > changed at the 1st day of the year 1000, or the 1st day of the year 1001. As > well, roman numerals were the proper designate back then, so the posts looked > something like..... > > WHEN DO WE CHANGE MILLENIUMS>>>>>I MM or I MM I. > > That series of posts led to a response by a man named paul who went by PRI > which stood for Paul of the Rine the First. > > Well, once he posted, a great fight errupted over the use of MM to signify > 1000 or the use of CK to signify 1000, since the beginnings of metrics were > being ushered in at that time. Also, the letter C accompanied the letter K, > signifying the end of the great reign of the Romans and the beginning of the > onslaught of Central Europe. So, MM became commonly known as CK. > > One thing led to another and Paul, aka PRI , the great defender of proper > datings, became commonly known as: > > Paul the PRICK. > > And ever since then, we have been blessed with a wonderful grammer check on > our tablet posts! Our local Paul I, of Florida, actually comes from the > root of lineage of Paul of the Rine the First and more commonly known as > Paul, our JONI - PRICK. > > And there you go! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 10:39:32 -0500 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: Re: What ONE album would you loan? It's so great Michael could pass the torch like that. I only hope I get to get someone else hooked someday. (My daughter does seem to really enjoy Joni but she's only 18 months old!) - -Jenny Michael wrote: > > Interesting question! It would depend on the person. > > I have a 15-year-old cousin who is learning to play > guitar. She loves Jewel and Sarah McLaughlin. I wanted > to get her something for Christmas that would broaden > her horizons a little bit. She told me she liked > "stuff with a hippie vibe". So I got her LOTC on CD. > She loves it! I thought it was a great choice for > someone with her tastes in her age group. The songs > were perfect for her and where she's at. She told me > days later that she couldn't stop playing it, and that > her favorite songs were "For Free", "Big Yellow Taxi" > and "Morning Morgantown". > > It was at around her age that I received my first > Joni as a present (HOSL on LP!), so it was cool to > turn someone in my family at that same age on to Joni! > I felt HOSL to be a little obtuse at that age, but I > warmed up to it after a few listens and it has held up > through the years brilliantly as one of my favorite > Jonis. > > Michael > > NP. kd lang: Fado Hilario (from Onda Sonora: Red Hot > and Lisbon) > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. > http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 15:58:47 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: The London Jonifest 2000! > > > We missed a few people (realising I could get in hot water if I've > overlooked anyone - advance apologies). I would have really liked Colin to > be there, and Howard, and Philip. If you're reading, too bad you couldn't > make it, and maybe next time. Hi Rob and veryone else-I would have liked to have been there too but with 9 very young puppies at the moment there is no way i can leave them for that length of time. They are not like kittens that just get on with it. Puppies need attention and a regular poop scoop and food. I am pretty house bound when I have puppies.It does sound like you all had a wonderful time. bw colin > > > Rob - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 16:06:54 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: PRICK Jennifer L. Nodine wrote: > hehehehehehehehehehehehe! > -Jenny > > Siresorrow@aol.com wrote: > > > > y'all did not know that at the first millenium, there was a st. augustine Did you know that the idea of original sin came from this guy? He was really hung up abpout sex and because we all are derived from the sex act he decided we were all born in sin.Did you know that Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous has him as their Patron Saint? > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:22:05 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: What ONE album would you loan? None because I would never get it back. I would give them a copy of Song To A Seagull if they were folk oriented and Turbulent Indigo if they were younger and more contemporary. marcel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:28:47 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: What ONE album would you loan? Really & truly, what I would IDEALLY do (and what I have done) is to make a compilation tape (or CD now, I suppose) of an overview of Joni's stuff...maybe Hits & Misses would serve the same purpose (?) Bob NP: Rickie Lee Jones, "Rebel Rebel" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 11:06:38 -0600 From: "Mark T. Domyancich" Subject: Re: What ONE album would you loan? Misses, duh! :-) NP-Nick Drake-Black Eyed Dog At 9:44 AM -0500 1/5/00, Kleronomos@aol.com wrote: >What ONE album would you loan to someone to introduce them to the music of >Joni Mitchell? Mark Domyancich Harpua@revealed.net http://home.revealed.net/Harpua ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:27:59 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: PRICK In a message dated 1/5/00 11:09:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << Did you know that the idea of original sin came from this guy? He was really hung up abpout sex and because we all are derived from the sex act he decided we were all born in sin.Did you know that Sex and Love Addicts Anonymous has him as their Patron Saint? >> i did not know the last part of that where Augustine is the patron of SLAA. But i think you are right about the notion of sin and sex finding its start there, although there was always a notion of " unclean" associated with sex even as far back as David's time because the priests used to have to abstain from sex for a period of time prior to entering the holy of holies. there is an interesting book out by an episcopal bishop named Spong called Born of a Woman where he addresses this notion of original sin and sex and even the virgin birth. basically, aquinas took augustine to a new level with aristotelian logic and concluded that mary's conception in her mother's womb had to be immaculate since original sin passed through humanity and jesus was without sin, so the break had to be before jesus and that started with mary. so mary breached first original sin. that is part of the reason catholics elevate her so much. then in lourdes, st. bernadette had the visions of mary where mary referred to herself as 'the immaculate conception' which confirmed the aquinas theory since bernadette was a little girl and did not know what 'conception' was. Spong theorizes the the birth of jesus was not virginal at all, and was more than likely somewhat scandalous, out of wedlock, and definately not described in the early early church writings and needing to be 'virginal'. that came later. he does a whole chapter on the gospel texts and the ones that did not make it into the cannons and builds his argument. i kind of like the idea of his theories but i don't think i will ever tell my very catholic mother. pat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 12:40:18 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: PRICK my original post was off list, to a couple of people whom i was trying to make smile after having been corrected so strongly by paul. now that that cat is out of the bag, and on the list, i should say something about that. i've read paul's posts for over two years now. at times they seem mean spirited. at other times, he has been very genuine and sincere. in the big picture i would not say that paul is a prick. i would say rather, that at times, paul's posts read as if he is prick-like. prick-like or not, i would also say he is 'our' paul and the list is a far more interesting place with his contribution. so paul, i am sorry i called you a prick inadvertantly on the list. but you must admit, even if they were a year early, the fireworks shooting out of the eiffel tower were pretty damn cool and the momentum of the posts that led to my name calling was of the same spirit as those fireworks: happy and light hearted. much happiness and light heartedness to all in 2000. pat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:47:15 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: London Jonifest 2000. The whole story Phew! Almost 24 hours later, I'm still buzzing.....and enjoying all the discussion and posts the evening has created. Jamie's full-length report was marvellous, and filled me in on what happened after I had to leave. For those of you who were there, I don't know whether I was what you might have been expecting, knowing of my poor health. I could sense a huge amount of care and genuine concern for me during the night, people making sure I was holding up OK. ME isn't an easy condition to bring into a social situation, as what you see isn't usually the whole story. The adrenalin and positive vibes generated by having such a fantastic time and meeting wonderful people, meant I was able to cope a lot better than I might have otherwise done. I began to flag around 9pm, but was able to prolong my departure for another hour. I really didn't want to leave at all. It was a very big event for me, and I'm very thankful for the reception I got from all of you....it really meant a lot. There was no discomfort or awkwardness in the slightest, which I've found isn't always the case. Of course, with the JMDL, I didn't need to worry. Jamie wrote: > Marian plays wonderfully and, if I'm > not mistaken, note for note, sometimes in her own key, but mainly in > Joni's. And with a tenderly beautiful soprano voice that reaches notes some > Joni's can't. Thanks Jamie, for articulating what I wanted to say about Marian so much better than I could. As I listened to her versions, it struck me - as it did Jamie - how she reaches and holds those high notes so beautifully. Her playing was also damn near perfect....she only needed to strum the briefest snippet of a song (often as a mere warm-up) to send a thrilling wave of recognition and pleasure down the spine. > I must say that after weeks of anticipation and practise and 'first-night > nerves', playing Joni to a crowd of listeners is wonderful. And when you > have the full complement of the bass, it's just mind-blowing. I don't think > that it has sunken in properly what we did last night. I can't believe that > I organised something that people actually enjoyed. Well, you have good reason to now feel a sense of achievement....and yes, it really did happen...thanks to you ;o) > In the drive back I was full of the joys of someone who had just come off a > good night's performance, with a receptive crowd. I'm so glad everyone said > they enjoyed it. My friends who turned up said that the evening was > inspiring (It has given Adeola a taste going back to doing gigs as opposed > to just acting). Buoyant and glowing. My playing did get more relaxed after > the initial nerves, when I started to get into it. I could tell how nervous you were at first, but in some ways it served to highlight how quickly you not only settled those nerves, but managed to play such memorable and distinguished versions of so many complicated and nuanced Joni tracks during the evening. Your Hejira was a marvel to witness, complete with "human bass" from some of the other JMDL-ers ;-) > Marian was faultless in > her playing and Chris was certainly the voice that is missing when I play > any of those Hejira period songs on my own. It has given me a taste for > playing Joni's music publicly, having never really ventured beyond the > security of a blues/rock band in the early 90's. I sincerely hope it will give you the platform to perform more often and to even larger crowds. Chris was indeed remarkably modest about his own ability and contribution. I was seated in the perfect position to get the full benefit of his supreme playing (I'm pretty sure about this, because Martin - sat in the centre - couldn't hear enough bass at the beginning while I always could!). > Most important was meeting the UK (and Euro) Midlers, I mean Jimdlers and > 'putting faces to names' and such the like. Oh the joys of internet > communities such as these. And speaking in the same tongue and not being > looked at like a freak when you start to go on about tunings and basslines > and the Hejira period and everything idiosyncratically Joni. Particularly fascinating in that aspect - for me, at least - was Marian's explanation (between songs) of how she breaks all the different songs/tunings/patterns etc into a user-friendly cross-referencing database and print-out for playing live. She really knows her stuff, and she's such an incredibly warm and caring lady. > I can't believe I also left the venue without actually paying them! I > quickly corrected that this morning though. Oops! LOL...!!! Once again, many many thanks to everyone for everything :-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 19:31:57 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: The London Jonifest 2000! Hi folks! Azeem's the real wordsmith, so I won't go on too long about the Jonifest 2000 last night, except to say.. Thank you so much Jamie, for organising it. And thanks again for the music you shared with us along with Marian and Chris. Thank you Marian, thank you Chris. I'm currently working on the recordings- cutting out the inevitable pauses while guitars were retuned etc. The recording was straight to stereo, with no PA used on the night, so what is on tape is very direct, and very real. I've had a technical cock-up courtesy of my Sony DATMAN which means that 3 titles are incomplete on my tapes, but Chris was making a minidisc back-up last night, so all is most definitely not lost. Highlight for me was Marian's utterly riviting 'Wolf That Lives In Lindsey' closely followed by her 'Cotton Avenue'. One or two of the songs where everyone sang along have come out well too - I had a tingling sensation on the back of the neck, listening today. A wonderful night. Good music and good company. Who could wish for more? atb, Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 19:42:46 -0000 From: Chris Marshall Subject: JoniLondon2000FestThing Hi All, I just thought I'd dip my oar in about the Euro 2000 Joni fest. Thanks should first go to Jamie for organising the whole thing: not just the people, but getting a viable venue together at some financial risk to himself. Thanks go to both Jamie and Marian for letting me in on the act so late in the day. It was so nice to be able to come and play Joni basslines with real people as opposed to along with the CD. Marian was notable for her amazingly large repertoire of Joni material and also that she's hitting notes that Joni isn't these days. That was something to hear. Jamie added a new slant, at least for me, on many of Joni's songs, by singing them with such a strong male voice. It's a new dimension that I hadn't really considered before. It's been wonderful to read everyone's feedback so far, and I look forward to the next time. As well as Martin Giles, I also recorded the evening's music. I may try and get a few wav files up on my web site ASAP, just to give everyone a flavour of the evening. I'll post a message as soon as there's something to grab. The files will be quite large, I'm afraid, but hey - you've all got loads of bandwidth stateside, right? :) OK, that's me done for now. Oh! I also have a ton of digital camera photos to transfer onto the web site also. Time... time... give me time. Regards, - --Chris Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd Web: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/ Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 E-mail: chris@secure-si.co.uk PGP key: http://www.secure-si.co.uk/chris/pubkey.txt Fingerprint: 49F7 5132 C599 6ADC 47E7 844E A612 3F53 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 15:20:06 -0500 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: PRICK Well, I'm a little embarrassed. I had no idea Siresorrow's email to me was for my eyes only. I really thought it had been posted to the list. I never get mail from him addressed only to me, so it didn't even dawn on me to check that before I responded publicly and posted it on the list. I publicly apologize to all that were affected negatively. (Mostly Paul and Pat) I really didn't mean to cause any trouble and I will be much more careful in the future. - -Jenny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 16:02:23 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Some Little musings In a message dated 1/5/2000 2:24:44 AM Eastern Standard Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << Cat, did you mean to write "posterity" or "prosperity"? Hey, I can see us getting very prosperous in a few years when we put our spare mint copy up on eBay! heehee. Hmmm, we may need to order *three* each! Plus, we have to get at least one of the "regular" ones. Kakki, who bought four TTTs, three TIs, and three WTRFs (doesn't everybody? ;-) >> Ummm, I think I meant posterity..yep that one. But yes of course I bout 3 TI hoping to get that damn EAR!!! No luck. I have two blue (one reg one gold) to CAS (same thing-reg and gold) and one day if they ever cfome out with Hejira on gold that one too! About eBay...we could sell it right away on eBay as a rare show and sell it for tons!! People there who really do not know Joni or value for that matter will buy anything for tons of money!! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 14:50:48 -0700 From: "Alison Einerson" Subject: RE: which joni to loan... Just wanted to kick in my 2¢ on this one... I think Court and Spark would be a great first album for a new Joni listener, probably because it is relatively more "pop" oriented than her other works, so it might be a little easier to grasp. It has such clarity to it, a deceptively simplistic quality that I really love. Also, "People's Parties" was the first thing I learned how to play in an alternate tuning, so I must be biased. Alison in SLC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 17:16:48 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Grammy (SJC) Unfortunately, no nominations for JAZZ TAKES...but there were some great musicians nominated in those categories, so...I'm OK. I appreciate everyone's good wishes on this. DL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:35:15 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: Grammy (SJC) David, Sorry to hear it. You deserved a nomination and a grammy award for your work. Hey List! I hereby nominate David for the official "JMDL BEST JAZZ JONI JAZZ COVER ARTIST OF THE 20th CENTURY" award! Any seconds? (And David, best wishes on your project with your mother's songs. It sounds wonderful.) Harper Lou - -----Original Message----- From: Dflahm@aol.com [mailto:Dflahm@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 5:17 PM To: notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Grammy (SJC) Unfortunately, no nominations for JAZZ TAKES...but there were some great musicians nominated in those categories, so...I'm OK. I appreciate everyone's good wishes on this. DL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 14:45:26 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: First of the millenium... Hi all, Pardon the shameless self-promotion, but I hereby claim to be the first JMDL member to release an album this year (century, millennium, whatever). My new CDs just arrived via UPS! "Traditional Music for Irish Harp" is recorded using just my harp for accompaniment and vocals. It's basically a product designed for sale at Renaissance Faires, a direct response to requests from people who want a recording of the traditional music I play there. It includes my renditions of Greensleeves, Beggars to God, Mingulay Boat Song, Wind that Shakes the Barley, Morning Has Broken, Mist Covered Mountains, and other Irish/Celtic classics. Any reviewers or record producers out there, I'll send you a free copy. I'll even grovel before you. The albums will be available on Amazon.com and such soon. If anyone is interested in performer comps or trades, please e-mail me privately. Hope this doesn't breach list etiquette, but it's so exciting when a new shipment comes in! Harper Lou harp@louislynch.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 18:01:25 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: London Jonibash Well, what an evening! I don't know how many people have already posted, as my first attempt to resub failed :-( I don't think there have ever been as many Europe-based Jonilisters together in one (bloody cold) room: in order of appearance, as far as I can remember: Jason, Jamie, Chris, Marian, Martin, Rob, Jacky, Gerry and yours truly. The Troubadour is a nice venue, despite the frankly arctic conditions. The acoustics are great, no doubt aided by the battered French Horns that line the walls (no, we couldn't figure that one out either). I am used to taking notes during concerts, as I write reviews for a website every week. HOWEVER, such was my state of delight from the very first note Marian played, that I omitted to write a word down, and thus my recollections are piecemeal at best. What I can tell you is that Marian and Jamie were the singers, both accompanying themselves on guitar, joined for quite a few tunes by Chris, who played some wicked bass, replicating Jaco and Larry with tremendous elan, especially since he'd never played these songs live! Marian's singing and playing were even better than I'd been led to believe, which is saying something. Starting with Coyote, I was spellbound, not only by her performances but the ease with which she coped with the retuning: no VG8 shortcuts here! Court And Spark was represented with People's Parties and Just Like This Train, Hissing by Harry's House. One of my personal highlights was Ladies of The Canyon, a song I barely know, as I very rarely listen to LOTC. Just beautiful. Rob requested something from Blue, and Marian obliged with a jaunty This Flight Tonight, with an impossibly low bottom string, which prompted me to ask for The Wolf That Lives in Lindsay, which was staggering - I seriously doubt Joni herself could have done it better. The communal singalong was provided by The Circle Game, and Marian finished with a sublime A Strange Boy. Which brings me to Jamie (ha! Jus' kiddin, Jamie). Jamie, as some of you may know, is a bloody good actor. Well, he's kept his singing and guitar playing abilities pretty well under wraps, and wowed us with his amazingly Joni-esque guitar (he's got that slap-and-drag thang to perfection) and rich, passionate singing. And boy, did he go for the easy songs! Hissing figured prominently, with Don't Interrupt The Sorrow, In France They Kiss On Mainstreet (or am I imagining that - I'm beginning to doubt myself!!) and Edith and the Kingpin. He also gave us Hejira and The Silky Veils of Ardor, one of my fave Joni songs. And just to show he does the early stuff too, Jamie did a wonderful rendition of Woman of Heart and Mind, sung from the point of view of an ex-girlfriend singing it to him (Confused? It all made sense on the night...), and Sisotowbell Lane, another song I hardly know. He was joined by Adeola for a sweet duet on Good Friends. And let's not forget perhaps the "centrepiece" of the evening, where Jamie, Marian and Chris all played on Don Juan's Reckless Daughter and Cotton Avenue - - complete with Overture! It was too great. What more can I say?? I sat there with a silly grin on my face all evening, I hope the tape and the photos come out OK, and it was lovely to meet Jason and Jacky for the first time. Both had travelled a long way to get there, and I was delighted they had. And of course I had not met Marian before, though at least I had a chance to get to know her a bit, which was a huge pleasure, as she stayed at my place (which was also not exactly boiling hot...). I'll be having a party here later in the year - to celebrate when I eventually leave my current job! - and I hope EVERYONE will be able to come!! So, there we have it, another illustration of Joni's abaility to unite people from all sorts of backgrounds, with nothing in common except being beautiful people with great taste in music. Time to log back on and check if my second and third attempts to resub have been successful. Much Joni to all. Azeem in London NP: a fab tape Gerry gave me yesterday, now at Rachelle Ferrelle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 18:16:18 -0500 From: Kathleen Kajioka Subject: Re: What ONE album would you loan? This is a bit of a hard one. I think I would lend "Blue", partly because it's the one most people know, but also because, it being the most emotionally "pure" album (she was on the brink of tears the whole time she was recording it), I think it gets at her essence, both poetically and musically. Kathleen ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 18:13:17 EST From: Gertus@aol.com Subject: London Jonifest Jamie, I just want to thankyou for the London Jonifest, last night, and I'm so sorry I had to leave early. As I've just told Kakki, who tried so hard to get the Joni interview tape to me in time, JMDL people are the best! You and Jason have already described very well the events of last night. I would just like to add that for me, some of the very many hi-lights include your rendition of "Hejira", Marian's of "Ladies of the Canyon", and really outstanding, you and your friend doing "My Secret Place" which, unlike Jason, is not a favourite song of mine, but your friend was so totally cool and in control, that I loved it. Please tell her she's a star, as are you! Great to meet everyone and when's the next one? Jacky ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2000 11:11:42 +1100 From: "Alan Lorimer" Subject: Re: What ONE album would you loan Marcel really hit the nail on the head regarding this. It really does depend on who you are lending the album to. The incredible depth of albums such as "Herija" could be overwhelming for some and love at first sight for others. Lending one album *does* make sense as there have been so many phases to Joni's work that most people would (happily) spend years absorbing all those. Why not lend one album a month until they're hooked? If I was to recommend *one* album, I would suggest one of the following: For the Roses Court & Spark Night Ride Home Any of those albums should prove easier for a newcomer to Joni's music. My preference would be FTR. Let them start at the title track. In addition to being one of the most popular Joni songs, this also demonstrates her ability to create really incredible music while just accompanying herself on Guitar. (I'm also biased as this was the first Joni album that I heard around 20 years ago) ps: This is a great "thread" as it allows those of us relative newcomers to JMDL who haven't heard all Joni's music yet to contribute to a Joni thread Alan Lorimer Hawley Beach Tasmania ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 20:18:07 -0500 From: "Sue Cameron" Subject: LondonFest Thanks to everyone who posted about the gathering. Although the surroundings were chilly the company sounded warm and inviting and the music pure magic. I hope that the list will be able to get copies as I am intreguied by Chris' bass playing. Always loved Jaco, and seeing him live was a wonderful treat. From everyone's description sounds like Chris could be a ringer. Jamie, I have to give you credit for getting over the stage fright. It is a big demon to conquer but sounds like you came through with grace. Then there is Marian. 'Nuf said. Can't wait to hear Cotton Avenue! I sure would love it (Jamie) if you guys would plan another gathering when the weather is warmer. Maybe in August? Around the 2nd week of August? It is always very temperate then and you never know how many Yank tourists will be in town :-) Cheers~ Suze ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 22:37:58 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: LondonFest careful there, sue!!! early august is too close to labor day, a sacred date for jmdlers!!! ;-))) wallyk > I sure would love it (Jamie) if you guys would plan another gathering when > the weather is warmer. Maybe in August? Around the 2nd week of August? It > is always very temperate then and you never know how many Yank tourists will > be in town :-) > > Cheers~ > > Suze > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:15:03 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: Not to Blame Alison Einerson wrote ... >__________________________________________________________________________ >Okay, I must be really confused. I thought there was a big to-do about >the song "Not to Blame" having been written about Jackson Browne's alleged >>physical violence against Daryl Hannah. What does O.J. have to do with >any of it? >Alison in SLC >__________________________________________________________________________ Alison, there's nothing *alleged* about Jacksons' physical violence against Daryl Hannah. it was widely reported. as for "What does O.J. have to do with any of it?" NOTHING! not a damn thing. besides ... the Song *predates* the murder of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman, by a person or persons Unknown! for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2000 21:14:29 -0800 From: simon@icu.com Subject: The BIRTH OF THE COOL Sessions Jerome writes ... >_________________________________________________________________________ >I saw 'Mr. Ripley' last week and quite enjoyed it actually, but (music >slut that I be) couldn't help but be distracted by one detail. This >movie takes place in the fifties, not long before/after the birth of cool >>sessions and Miles Davis' recording of Kind Of Blue. However, the jazz >>aficianado Dickie Greenleaf had somehow acquired a vinyl copy of Tutu, >Miles' 1986 release! Did anyone else catch this? >_________________________________________________________________________ Jerome, FWIW: the BIRTH OF THE COOL (recording) Sessions took place on: January 21, 1949 April 22, 1949 March 9, 1950 with previous 'Live' dates by the associated musicians on: Sept. 4, 1948 Sept. 18, 1948 it's interesting to note that while these highly influential sessions inspired the whole school of West Coast 'Cool' Jazz, they were simply another transitional phase for Miles! who quickly moved on. KIND OF BLUE was recorded during sessions on March 2, and April 22, 1959. for now ~ take care, - ------- simon - ------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Jan 2000 20:55:55 -0600 From: evian Subject: What ONE album would you loan? Actually, I just introduced a friend to Joni's music this Christmas with C&S. She knows nothing about Joni, but is absolutely obsessed with Carole King's Tapestry, and since both albums remind me of each other in some way (don't even ask what I mean, but to me they sorta go hand in hand), I thought C&S would be a good intro. However, it all depends on the person. Personally, it was Blue that caught my attention, but I would say C&S is a safe bet. However, since this year I seem to be leaning towards HOSL and DJRD and FTR as my fave Joni albums (I just can't be consistent like all you Hejira folks), I think a compilation tape of songs from those albums, in the right order, would be good to indoctrinate the non-Joniphiles. Evian np: Supertramp -- Even in the Quietest Moments ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #6 ******************************* Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. 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