From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #4 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, January 4 2000 Volume 2000 : Number 004 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: New Year Reflection ["Wally Kairuz" ] Hello Everyone! [Michael ] Re: Hello Everyone! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Hello Everyone! [Michael ] Stacy and the Joni Mitchell Companion [Steve Polifka ] Re: Hello Everyone! [FMYFL@aol.com] Joni makes the list ["Pitassi, Mary" ] nicole simpson and sydney "grump" [Sarah Schuckman ] Varsity Books [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Hello Everyone! [Susan McNamara ] Varsity Books [mann@chicagonet.net] Varsity Books [mann@chicagonet.net] Varsity Books Promotion Code [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: Hello Everyone! [Kathleen Kajioka ] Re: nicole simpson and sydney "grump" [catman ] Re: Hello Everyone! [Mike Friedman ] Re: Hello Everyone! [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Hello Everyone! [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Hello Everyone! [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: nicole simpson and sydney "grump" [Sarah Schuckman Subject: RE: New Year Reflection hi cathy in az! i'm sorry about your child!!! but you're right: seldom had i felt more "age of aquarius" than i did last ny's eve. all in all, humankind might make it to the next century. maybe. wallyk > Hi Wally-- > > I greeted 2000 in much the same way--watching tv for endless hours. My > vomiting child tubed my plans for dinner out and a party with friends, and I > was disappointed, of course, but now I'm actually glad I stayed home and > watched the time zone to time zone coverage, which I certainly wouldn't have > done had it not been for the flu. > > After several hours it began to sink in what a unique moment in human history > we all lived through, not so much because of the change in the calendar, but > because of our connectedness. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 06:25:24 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Subject: Hello Everyone! Hi! My name is Michael. I'm 37 and live in Massachusetts. I've been a Joni fan since the 70's, with some of my favorite albums of hers being Hejira, Summer Lawns, and Ladies of the Canyon. There have been a few gaps in my Joni collection for a long time, though, and one was just filled on my birthday (12/27) when I received Blue on CD. My God, where have I been??? This album is amazing. Usually, when I add a Joni to my collection, I need to listen to it a few times before it "opens up" to me. That happened with Blue last night for me..... suddenly, I had listened to it front to back four times, and still could not bring myself to turn off the damn stereo. And here I am this morning, listening again, amazed at this genius' depth. My favorite Joni works combine music and lyrics that do two things at once: evoking deep sadness/longing/loneliness/regret, and inspiring great joy/exhilaration/happiness. Blue does this so beautiful.... it's all allowed to co-exist on this album, and the result is an amazing piece of work. I may need to reconsider which Joni album is my favorite! Blue now contends for that title. Anyway, just wanted to say "hi" and I look forward to getting to know you all and reading your posts. mjf __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 09:33:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello Everyone! Michael introduces himself: <> Welcome, Michael! You're in good company, although my favorite has always been Hejira, Blue is thought by many to be her best, you'll have lots of folk who agree with you. Which others of hers do you have yet to hear? You may have some contenders for the title yet ahead of you! Again, welcome to the list, and I look forward to hearing more from you. Bob in South Carolina NP(Now Playing): Jewel, "Angel Standing By" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 06:43:21 -0800 (PST) From: Michael Subject: Re: Hello Everyone! Hey! Thanks for your welcome! Here are some Jonis I DON'T have. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Night Ride Home Dog Eat Dog Wild Things Run Fast Miles of Aisles Shadows and Light You tell me.... where to next? mjf > Which others of hers do you have yet to hear? You > may have some contenders for the title yet ahead of > you! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 08:56:25 -0600 From: Steve Polifka Subject: Stacy and the Joni Mitchell Companion Hey all! First of all a little note to Leslie Mixon: I thought I was going crazy looking at that same picture- I thought it was the ugliest pic of Joni yet- but I swore to myself that it wasn't her. She can look different in pics all the time, and the only event I know of her performing in IL was the Farm Aid '85 and that was not what she was wearing! Thanks! To Stacy, if you are reading this: Very cool, very nice! Articles and pics I haven't seen before were a treat. So what if there are 'mistakes'- I know it wasn't you! (Just look at all the other blunders in Joniland-PWWaM video cover and Complete Poems and Lyrics)... I can't wait 'til Wally interviews you for the JMHP!!! (That was a hint, Wally!) Congrats on a valiant effort! Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 09:59:16 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello Everyone! Michael looks at his treasure map: Don Juan's Reckless Daughter (FIRST) Night Ride Home (SECOND) Dog Eat Dog (FIFTH) Wild Things Run Fast (FOURTH) Miles of Aisles (SIXTH) Shadows and Light (THIRD) You tell me.... where to next?>> Michael, I marked the list accordingly. This is not to be read as which ones are better than others, just a suggestion. Obviously, they're all wonderful works. And of course, you WILL be expected to post when you get them and give them the heavy-duty listening treatment! ;~) Bob NP: The Jody Grind, "Eight-Ball" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:00:08 -0500 From: Janene Otten Subject: Cheers! (VLJC) Greetings. I am de-lurking once again to wish you all the best life has to offer us this year and always. I was at the Billy Joel concert at Madison Square Garden for NYE and it was incredible. Billy & I are from the same town so it was a family affair for us. I was with my parents and my best friend. My first Joni was Hejira because I wanted to recall the incredible event that took place at Central Park Summer stage this year. That was one of the highlights of `99. So there it is. Hope you all enjoyed the holidays. Until next time, peace. Janene ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:03:18 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello Everyone! New lister Michael writes: << Hey! Thanks for your welcome! Here are some Jonis I DON'T have. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Night Ride Home Dog Eat Dog Wild Things Run Fast Miles of Aisles Shadows and Light You tell me.... where to next? >> I also welcome you to this wonderful discussion list Michael. Since you're asking which of the above Joni albums to purchase next, I'll put my 2 cents in with Night Ride Home. ALL of Joni's albums are wonderful, but NRH is one of my favs. Jimmy in Ft. Myers, FL ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 10:15:46 -0600 From: "Pitassi, Mary" Subject: Joni makes the list I apologize in advance if someone's beaten me to this story, but being "behind the times" in knowing what's already been transmitted to the list is the one great disadvantage of being on digest. To the point of this post: Joni made the New York Times' "Musical Mileposts of the Century" list, published in this morning's paper! NYT music critics Jon Pareles, Neil Strauss, Ben Ratliff, and Ann Powers agreed on "25 albums representing turning points and pinnacles in 20th-century popular music," although admittedly, focusing more on the second half of the century than the first. They listed the albums in chronological order, rather than ranking them. About Joni's "Blue," they wrote: "A restless woman travels, falls in love and longs for what she left behind as she moves on; in the background 1960's ideals crumble. Joni Mitchell turned unsparing autobiography into sparse songs that quietly rejected symmetry and happy endings while they poured out her yearning. As she ushered in a confessional mode for pop songwriting, few of her emulators noticed that her seemingly unguarded revelations were so finely constructed." Among the groups and other individuals artists represented on the list were Louis Armstrong, Al Jolson, Billie Holiday, Duke Ellington, Hank Williams, Elvis, Tito Puente, Sinatra, John Coltrane, Miles Davis, Aretha Franklin, Dylan, Jimi Hendrix, Bob Marley and the Wailers, Public Enemy, Michael Jackson, and Nirvana. Included on the "alternate" list were releases by runner-ups Charlie Parker, Joao Gilberto, Ornette Coleman, and Edith Piaf, among others. Nice company for our Joan--and vice versa! Mary P. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 12:43:59 -0500 (EST) From: Sarah Schuckman Subject: nicole simpson and sydney "grump" i kind of thought the article was interesting... I mean, even if it's not true, it still shows that nicole and ron's family will never know what really happened... and because the case was so big, it seems like all of america will have this feeling like we'll never know what really happened to those people... but i have to say that beofre i read the article, i thought for sure O.J. did it. I saw "Dead Man Walking" recently so it had me thinking about all these things. :) THat is a really good movie, by the way, and makes you think about a lot... And even though this stuff is kind of "depressing"... especially during a time of celebration... it's really not, because, well, i could explain forever, but what it comes down to is that people are born good... life and experience and bad choices turn people into killers sometimes... but there is always hope, because we're all born with the same potential to love and be good poeple. :) And about the wasted money on new years... i hadn't thought about that, either... and i agree that it's a shame... most definitely. Happy New Year, everyone! Sarah ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 10:09:22 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Hello Everyone! Oh that's easy! The live albums are both fabulous, particularly Miles of Aisles, and Night Ride Home is wonderful too. I personally find the other three a little more difficult, but they all have their gems. > From: Michael > Reply-To: Michael > Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 06:43:21 -0800 (PST) > To: SCJoniGuy@aol.com, JoniMitchellDiscussionList > Subject: Re: Hello Everyone! > > Hey! > > Thanks for your welcome! Here are some Jonis I DON'T > have. > > Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > Night Ride Home > Dog Eat Dog > Wild Things Run Fast > Miles of Aisles > Shadows and Light > > > You tell me.... where to next? > > mjf >> Which others of hers do you have yet to hear? You >> may have some contenders for the title yet ahead of >> you! ====================================== Everybody here tonight must boogie And let me tell you, You are no exception to the rule - --A Taste of Honey, 1978 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 14:18:20 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Varsity Books Tried using the coupon and was told: The BONUS1 promotion is non-transferable. Original recipients may redeem the BONUS1 promotion by calling 877-644-1234 to verify their eligibility Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 14:20:36 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Hello Everyone! Happy New Year, Michael. Welcome to the list, and Happy New Year to everybody else...my holiday was great, peaceful and uneventful, which is all I ask for! My first Joni of the New Year was playing A Strange Boy on Saturday morning...I've sinced tuned into That Song About the Midway which is a song I haven't thought about in a long time. awesome! Now to your question: If you only have enough dough for one of these, I would buy Night Ride Home. This is a beautiful album in many ways and the beginning of a new Joni phase for the 90s. I like to pair this album with Turbulent Indigo because it showcases her supreme mastery on the acoustic guitar right before she abdicates to the VG8. Although the VG8 made her decide not to retire from performing, her acoustic work on NRH and TI are breathtaking. Cherokee Louise and Slouching Toward Bethlehem are wonderful. Plus you have the beautiful piano song Two Grey Rooms to close out NRH. That's where I'd put my money (since you asked). And don't forget to use the links on Les or Wally's site so they get some kickback (thanks Jim for reminding us about that!) Thanks to Leslie for giving us the update on Wally's health. God bless him and Jim and their incredible enthusiasm for life. Get well soon, Wally! We love you! Just one more throw-away before I close. My top 5 listens for 1999 were: 1. You Pay Your Money and You Take Your Chance - LIVE EP Bruce Cockburn 2. Bruce Springsteen Boxset 3. Land of Souveniers - Patti Witten 4. Power of Grace - Joe McNamara 5. 1998 Tour Tape trees - Joni Mitchell (c/o the JMDL!) Take care, Sue >Hey! > > Thanks for your welcome! Here are some Jonis I DON'T >have. > > Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > Night Ride Home > Dog Eat Dog > Wild Things Run Fast > Miles of Aisles > Shadows and Light > > > You tell me.... where to next? > > mjf ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 13:24:20 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Varsity Books Jerry, Yes, I just got that also. Was trying another one of the codes. Guess we weren't fast enough on this one. Laura Jerry Notaro wrote: > Tried using the coupon and was told: > > The BONUS1 promotion is non-transferable. Original > recipients may redeem the BONUS1 promotion by calling > > 877-644-1234 to verify their eligibility > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:25:48 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Varsity Books Jerry, Here's another code to try. It is for $10 off $25.01 or more purchase and free 2nd Day shipping. If you plan to use this, do it quick as the coupons get pulled after so many orders. It just worked for me. Hope this helps! Laura Jerry Notaro wrote: > Tried using the coupon and was told: > > The BONUS1 promotion is non-transferable. Original > recipients may redeem the BONUS1 promotion by calling > > 877-644-1234 to verify their eligibility > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:30:10 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Varsity Books Promotion Code OOPS! HERE's the Promotion Code: SUPER28E It is for $10 off $25.01 or more purchase and free 2nd Day shipping. If you plan to use this, do it quick as the coupons get pulled after so many orders. It just worked for me. Hope this helps! Laura Jerry Notaro wrote: > Tried using the coupon and was told: > > The BONUS1 promotion is non-transferable. Original > recipients may redeem the BONUS1 promotion by calling > > 877-644-1234 to verify their eligibility > > Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 17:54:52 -0500 From: Kathleen Kajioka Subject: Re: Hello Everyone! Michael wrote: > Hey! > > Thanks for your welcome! Here are some Jonis I DON'T > have. > > Don Juan's Reckless Daughter > Night Ride Home > Dog Eat Dog > Wild Things Run Fast > Miles of Aisles > Shadows and Light > > You tell me.... where to next? WELL, I suppose you can't really go wrong, it all being Joni, can you? I would submit that Night Ride Home is a good one to avoid living without for too much longer. Hypnotic rhythms, vivid images, and an ingenius merging of a great Yeat's poem with her lyrical and musical style ("Slouching toward Bethlehem"). Provocative themes explored such as in "Cherokee Louise", and a powerful angle on the Passion story ("Passion Play")--"All around the market place, the buzzing and the stinging/Divinely barren and wickedly wise, the killer nails are ringing" slays me every time! Enjoy! Kathleen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 23:06:26 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: nicole simpson and sydney "grump" > but what it comes down to is that people are born good... life > and experience and bad choices turn people into killers sometimes... but > there is always hope, because we're all born with the same potential to > love > and be good poeple. :) I couldn't agree more-that is what i believe too. Unfortunately many people do not think this. many think we are born 'in sin' and are therefore not born good, and can never be good within and of ourselves. that is very sad. I think to have faith in people is so important. This does not negate having faith in a higher power but to me one cannot have one without the other.Although people many people think nurture has nothing to do with it, these same people are quick to take the credit when their children 'do well' and quick to disown when they 'do bad'. Also experience is what we are all the rsult of. Sometimes experience can so damage a person, they are incapable of empathy. this is dreadful. More dreadful is that theese are the people some class as 'evil'. It is good to know God would not. bw colin > > > And about the wasted money on new years... i hadn't thought about that, > either... and i agree that it's a shame... most definitely. > > Happy New Year, everyone! > Sarah - -- To change the world-change your self "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 23:14:57 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Hello Everyone! Mike-where have you been stranger? I wrote to you ages and ages ago to thank you for being so kind and sending me PWWAM but you seemed to have disappered! bw colin -hoping this is not a different Mike Friedman! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2000 15:26:25 -0800 From: Mike Friedman Subject: Re: Hello Everyone! on 1/3/00 3:14 PM, catman at catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk wrote: > Mike-where have you been stranger? I wrote to you ages and ages ago to thank > you for being so kind and sending me PWWAM but you seemed to have disappered! > > bw > colin -hoping this is not a different Mike Friedman! > > No, it's not. I've been around, just laying low and had unsubscribed from the list for a while (I was deleting hundreds of messages at a time, and didn't have a chance to keep up). Glad to be back. Hi ya'll! ============================ I'm your Boogie Man That's what I am I'm here to do Whatever I can. - --KC & the Sunshine Band, 1976 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 21:11:50 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello Everyone! In a message dated 1/3/00 1:23:51 PM US Central Standard Time, sem8@cornell.edu writes: << I've sinced tuned into That Song About the Midway which is a song I haven't thought about in a long time. awesome! >> It IS awesome Sue, I heard it a couple times myself as I was compiling a Joni Cover CD and put Bonnie's WONDERFUL rendition of "Midway" on it. One of the very few performers who can do a Joni song better than the master herself! Bob NP: Stevie Nicks, "Rock A Little (Go Ahead Lilly)" ...thanks to a late visit from Saskatoon Santa ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 21:27:26 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello Everyone! In a message dated 1/3/2000 9:27:47 AM Eastern Standard Time, mjf2001@yahoo.com writes: << My name is Michael. I'm 37 and live in Massachusetts. I've been a Joni fan since the 70's, with some of my favorite albums of hers being Hejira, Summer Lawns, and Ladies of the Canyon. There have been a few gaps in my Joni collection for a long time, though, and one was just filled on my birthday (12/27) when I received Blue on CD. My God, where have I been??? >> Ahhhh Blue! You are so lucky to finally hear that wonderful Lp. I think I was around 14 when I first heard it back in 77'. I fell in love with that lp and would sing my head off everytime I played it. For me growing up was LOTC. I played that lp so much. When I got her songbook greatest hits vol one that was it for me. I would keep playing those songs (in the horrible reg tuning and they never quite worked but would have to do for now) over and over again singing loud and proud!! Those were the days....my friends!!! Now, I play her in correct tuning so last year was the year for me to learn HOW to play her music (all the old favs) in proper tunings. so that to me is like your discovery of Blue....blown away!!! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 21:28:28 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Hello Everyone! In a message dated 1/3/2000 9:45:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, mjf2001@yahoo.com writes: << Hey! Thanks for your welcome! Here are some Jonis I DON'T have. Don Juan's Reckless Daughter Night Ride Home Dog Eat Dog Wild Things Run Fast Miles of Aisles Shadows and Light >> Don Juan's hands down!!! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:19:08 -0500 (EST) From: Sarah Schuckman Subject: Re: nicole simpson and sydney "grump" colin, i totally agree... and i think it's horribly obvious to me everyday that so many have lost hope and faith in humanity... it is most obvious when i hear people condemning entire groups of people... especially Mexicans and Blacks where I'm from. You are right... it is very very sad. Especially because it is obvious to ME that if jails are filled with Blacks and Mexicans, there is a bigger reason for it. Everyone is responsible. when i came out of the closet as a lesbian, i really had a taste of what the priveledged fail to recognize. I'm not saying "woe is me"... at all... because I'm still very priveledged... but I think I can more easily admit and appreciate those advantages now. People will talk about repression and descrimination forever, though... and I don't want to get into that discussion, because I think what you said at the end of your message is what really counts... God doesn't look at the world that way. I've never been a bible beater or very "religious"... but I guess you could say that I am religious. I believe that God is a loving god and we should follow god's example of love and forgiveness. And bringing it back to Joni... I think her music brings it down to that, too. She wants peace... and she knows afterall, that all ANYONE (Black, White... or even a murderer) wanted was just to come out of the cold. :) Nanci Griffith knows it's a Hard Life Wherever you Go... and Tracy Chapman says we should start all over, make a New Beginning... which I think we could do. :) That possibility is what keeps the world spinning. :) Sarah On Mon, 3 Jan 2000, catman wrote: > > but what it comes down to is that people are born good... life > > and experience and bad choices turn people into killers sometimes... but > > there is always hope, because we're all born with the same potential to > > love > > and be good poeple. :) > > I couldn't agree more-that is what i believe too. Unfortunately many people > do not think this. many think we are born 'in sin' and are therefore not born > good, and can never be good within and of ourselves. that is very sad. I > think to have faith in people is so important. This does not negate having > faith in a higher power but to me one cannot have one without the > other.Although people many people think nurture has nothing to do with it, > these same people are quick to take the credit when their children 'do well' > and quick to disown when they 'do bad'. > Also experience is what we are all the rsult of. Sometimes experience can so > damage a person, they are incapable of empathy. this is dreadful. More > dreadful is that theese are the people some class as 'evil'. It is good to > know God would not. > bw > colin > > > > > > > And about the wasted money on new years... i hadn't thought about that, > > either... and i agree that it's a shame... most definitely. > > > > Happy New Year, everyone! > > Sarah > > > > -- > To change the world-change your self > "It is better to be hated for what you are > than to be loved for what you are not." > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2000 22:19:38 -0500 (EST) From: Sarah Schuckman Subject: Re: nicole simpson and sydney "grump" p.s. and it's good to know someone feels the same :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2000 00:33:56 -0500 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: The Talented Mr.Ripley I went to see "The Talented Mr.Ripley " the other night and while I did find it "visually massaging" I was somewhat disappointed in the storyline which in many instances I did not find very believable. The acting was very good and the director as well I thought did a good job. I think it was more the screenwriting I had problems with. When I left the theatre I was thinking how much more I enjoyed old Hitchcock classics which seem much more clever and subtle and how much easier it was with them to suspend my disbelief. I didn't like the way in which the movie began by just jumping into everything immediately and I thought the whole ending was pretty weak. It seemed like the writer didn't know where to go with this character he had developed so he just let him continue on his way which seemed a little too easy and he started to seem less like a real person and more two dimensional and overemphasized. In the past several years, I've found the movies I've enjoyed the most have been foreign films (French, Russian) etc....they seem to have better stories than alot of American movies. Victor ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V2000 #4 ******************************* Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?