From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #301 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, December 18 1999 Volume 01 : Number 301 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- London Jonifest 2000 [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: London Jonifest 2000 [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Spice On the Lahm [Julian51469@aol.com] Don starts a Row [Julian51469@aol.com] RE: A mind is a terrible thing to waste [Jamie Zubairi ] Re: open mics [Sarah Schuckman ] Re: Don starts a Row [Don Rowe ] RE: open mics [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: open mics [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Don starts a Row [Les Irvin ] DJRD and some advice ["Russell Bowden" ] Re: A mind is a terrible thing to waste ["Kakki" ] TO A HEALTHY NEW YEAR! [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: LA Weekly Art review (LONG) [Susan McNamara ] Re: The Hissing of Summer Lawns [Susan McNamara ] DJRD cont. [Emily Kirk Gray ] Holiday fils: Capote ["Chuck EIsenhardt" ] RE: open mics ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: A mind is a terrible thing to waste [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: A mind is a terrible thing to waste ["Kakki" ] HAPPY HOLIDAYS! [pat ] Re: HAPPY HOLIDAYS! [CaTGirl627@aol.com] the Joni Mitchell Companion [evian ] Joni Mitchell interview on KCSN 88.5FM [Les Irvin ] Re: DJRD cont. [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni Mitchell interview on KCSN 88.5FM ["Kakki" ] Re: the Joni Mitchell Companion [JRMCo1@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:43:56 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: London Jonifest 2000 Dear All, I just thought I had better update you on the London Jonifest 2000 It's taking place on Jan 4th 7pm at The Troubadour Coffehouse on Old Brompton Road in Earls' Court. Nearest tube is Earl's Court. I will be putting up notices in the music shops advertising the evening to musicians but stating that it will start at 8pm. I think it will be nice for us to meet without any additional people there. As we haven't met under any official Joni umbrella this will hopefully be a intimate place to start, the only music will be our own. There will be an entrance fee. This is unfortunate as I have had to rent the space for the evening. I have put the fee as follows: Members GBP?3.00 Non-Members GBP?4.00 Concessions GBP?2.50 I will be printing a list of those members who have signed on to the Euro2000@jmdl.com list so we will know who is who. Please ensure that you have signed on to that list of have mailed me privately by the 3rd of Jan, if you haven't done before, to ensure that I know who on the JMDL will be coming. my email is: jaz@famelon.demon.co.uk jamie_zubairi@hotmail.com As far as I know, Marian and I will be playing guitar and it will be an acoustic set - no amplification whatsoever unless I can persuade a friend to come along and bring her stuff.... Still we'll see. I have some musician friends who will be coming and perhaps will be doing some singing as they are Jonifans, but not internet accessed. I will be recording the evening onto minidisc for the JMDL. I can't wait. I am SO EXCITED! Keep level headed Zoob, maintain, maintain (in my best Rickie Lee Jones voice) Jamie Zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:15:37 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: London Jonifest 2000 Jamie Jake/Zoob, A big thanks for all your efforts in putting this gig together...I'm anxious to hear the music! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 08:41:52 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Spice On the Lahm In a message dated 12/17/99 3:05:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, David Lahm write s: << The music on the date itself may not all have been literally improvised, but it sounds to me as if a lot of it could have been GENERATED by improvisation. Maybe they jammed together and she got inspired by what he was doing, learned from him or figured out what it was and then went on from there. Certainly the percussion jam is improv; a good deal of "Paprika Plains" might have been. I think it's also significant how "The Silky Veils of Ardor" stands out on the record; it's different in feeling from everything else, an elegant backward look at her earlier style. Am I correct that many of us feel it's one of her greatest triumphs? D LAHM >> If you send me you snail-mail address I could send you a wonderful interview tape "The Rock Master Class" that has Joni playing out the musical "medalion" that became the heart of Paprika Plains and explaining how she got there with it. Yes, that whole album is pure genius, to say the least. I have many fond memories of playing an old scratchty copy of that record with friends - staring out at many a sunset in a small, overstuffed couch, smoking, drinking and singing and humming along. That particular side of the album got worn right down from us the sunset gang. And...I feel that "Silky Veils of Ardor" is the punctuation, the bookend, the bare steel and wood cadenza to the whole album. It is the gesture or thumbnail sketch of the whole album - it is the foot of the bed (and the head of the bead if you play it constantly like I do) that one has been dreaming a whole double album through and then bumps into and wakes up with paprika on their breath. BTW, Your CD of JTOJM is awesome!!! If I could vote for it being the best I would. So many nooks and crannies and cozy corners and curious, friendly, strange spaces too. Deffinately a ride that was familiar because of the subject but fresh, explorative, and exciting because of the new facets you found in the material. Thanks a million for doing such a project. I look foreward to meeting you in New Orleans. Take care, Julian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:01:42 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Don starts a Row In a message dated 12/17/99 3:05:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, Don Rowe writes: << Come on listas ... Les is right, things have been too slow! >> Well, now that you mention it... I have a few compaints to lodge. I'm sick and tired of Joni's albums always ending. I mean what's up with that? If you've got a good thing going why stop? And what's up with this abstracted, convoluted, ever changing meaning crap? Why is it every time that I listen to the same song for the umpteenth time does it mean something different to me? Why can't Joni just say what she means and make it real concrete for all of spoon-fed America? I mean, why can't she just say who she's really sleeping with, what color she likes, is it a taxi or is it a tractor, what bridge should we reference, is she hanging out with a coyote or is it a guy she knows or is it just her watching a stranger, is it first, second or third person she is refering to???? The questions just go on and on anon. With someone like Limp Bizkit, Mariah Carey, and NSync it's nice easy music that has a strait-ahead message that's easily digestible for my two dimensional brain to handle - love and hate and nothing in between. What's up with having "Two Grey Rooms" when all it leaves me with is out on an ocean of emotion and abstraction. If anyone out there can explain to me what Joni is really trying to say and if anyone has an extended-demo-mega-remix-club version of every single one of Joni's albums please have the UHall drop it off at my apartment. Don't get me wrong, I like this Joni chick and all but all she makes me wanna do is listen to more, more, and more. I mean, what's up with that?;-) Julian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 14:08:30 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: RE: A mind is a terrible thing to waste Les writes Joni moved into her current residence when? 1974? 1975? I write: I thought she moved in in something like 1969/70? Isn't it the same house that Graham Nash wrote Our House in? (A bit presumptuous wasn't he? ; ) The same house that Houdini lived in. The Spanish style Bel Air Mansion. That Wally went to. (I still can't believe that!) I reckon she must have paid off her mortgage by now. Didn't she also sell some property that she had renovated and decorated? That must have made her some money. Happiness Knows No Income Bracket Rainy Night House, damp proofed, fully insulated with infrared security alarms My Debts To You Sisotowbell Lane, off Cotton Avenue, River view. Paprika Plains location. Ranch house on the hill, valley neighbours all with barbecues, barbed wire security fence with curious red stain on barbs, 1 room decorated with Chippendale furniture, 1 blue pool, 1 Puerto Rican maid with damaged shins, 1 previous reckless owner, stones throw from the breaking waves of Malibu. Contact Dreamland Realtors. Any takers? Jamie Zoob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:19:42 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Don starts a Row A few moments with Julian Rooney: <> Yeah, good point, Julian...and what about all those paintings on the covers? Why doesn't she just put a simple photo of herself on the cover or something? Who does she think she is, Dan Fogelberg? :~) Bob NP: Foo Fighters, "Breakout" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:21:24 -0500 (EST) From: Sarah Schuckman Subject: Re: open mics Hey everyone :) and especially Dan, Anne, Marcel, Bob, Randy and Don... :) So my first open mic experience was a very good one!! I can't wait to go back. :) And your tips helped a lot! I felt like I knew what was going to happen. I also knew I would mess up a little, which also happened, but it wasn't too bad. I really liked the environment at the place I went to. It's called the Skylight Exchange here in Chapel Hill, NC.. have any of you ever been here? I go to UNC. Anyway, they had a chord for me to use (to plug my guitar into the amp), and the sound guy helped me balance... and it really did help to just pretend I was not amplified and just sing like I was in my bedroom. :) I really messed up "California"... because I got nervous and forgot THE LYRICS!!! It was funny, but not too embarrassing. There were all different kinds of people there... all different levels. Some were REALLY REALLY impressive! But what I really liked was that nobody cared. We were all eager to hear each other just to see what we all could offer. I thought I did pretty bad, especially messing up a whole song, but I knew I kind of picked hard ones... and I didn't feel too bad about it. And then after everyone was done, I was walking out and the sound guy asked me to play a couple more songs! :) isn't that sweet? Anyway, I really think I want to do this frequently, because one very cool thing was that I didn't invite any of my friends... This is something I can do just for myself, and I can meet new people to share it with.. (the other people who play). It would be really cool to find someone to play with. I've never written a song, and most of these people did original stuff... so I was thinking maybe i could ask one of them to write a song with me... after I get to know some people. Well, I just wanted to let you all know how it went. Thanks for listening to my ramblings!! Sarah p.s. that was a great story about "The Circle Game" being a song about "growing out of" the small setting... I don't think that will ever happen to me! I don't want it to, either! :) On Thu, 16 Dec 1999 Kleronomos@aol.com wrote: > Sarah Schuckman wrote: <> > > Hi Sarah! and welcome! > Playing at "open mic" nights will probably be one of the biggest helps for > you to grow in your performance abilities! (Just ask Joni, or Ani DeFranco, > or Neil Young) > > The host and / or the sound person will do their best to set you up, and to > make adjustments once you start singing. They generally need you to sing > fairly close to the mic (about six to ten inches) and to stay at the same > distance throughout the song. > > Just do your thing, and let them worry about making you sound good "in the > house". If you don't have a monitor (a speaker pointed toward you), you'll > have no idea what it really sounds like "out there." Just go for it. I also > have a quiet presentation, vocally. There is nothing wrong with that. > That's why they have amps and speakers! Just concentrate on your playing and > singing, and do it as you would in your bedroom. > > A good sound man can do wonders, and a bad one can make anyone sound like > crap! All you can control is your performance. Another note: If you have > an EQ "on board" your guitar, then set it "flat", that is, all sliders in the > middle. > > Joni content, loosely connected to the open mic question: > In the Joni concert with James Taylor (1970 BBC), she tells a story of Neil > Young turning twenty-one and no longer being allowed in the little club that > he had been performing in (a teen club), and that he'd written "Sugar > Mountain" to lament his lost youth. He set out to be a folk singer at that > point. Then she introduced "The Circle Game" as a song she had written for > him.... an answer to his lament. I'll never again hear "The Circle Game" > the way I used to! > > Dan > NP: "Bobby" Nashville Skyline > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 09:24:38 -0500 (EST) From: Sarah Schuckman Subject: Re: open mics p.p.s. oh, and one thing I noticed that I wanted to comment on... was that I was one out of two women playing... out of about 12 people altogether. that was kind of strange and intimidating in a weird kind of way... not too weird, just something I definitely noticed ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 06:47:47 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Don starts a Row - --- Julian51469@aol.com wrote: I'm sick > and tired of Joni's albums always ending. I mean > what's up with that? My Joni albums used to end ... at least until auto-reverse cassette decks came out. Then, of course, came the CD ... so the Joni never has to end. Why can't Joni just say what she means and make > it real concrete for all > of spoon-fed America? I'm pretty sure this is a Canadian thing ... oh god save me! With > someone like Limp Bizkit, Mariah Carey, and NSync Hey, those guys all ROOOOOCK! (lighter ignites as three-fingered Beavis & Butthead salutes wave wildly in the air ...) -- well, maybe N'Synch just "sways" ... Don't get me wrong, I like > this Joni chick and all but > all she makes me wanna do is listen to more, more, > and more. I mean, what's > up with that?;-) > Isn't the question you're really asking ... "How do you stop?" -- and that's a rhetorical question, don't you know! :-) Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:09:15 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: open mics <> Way to go, Sarah!!! -- applause, applause -- Sounds like you did great! Especially to have the sound guy ask you to play more - I hope you're savoring that because it doesn't happen often at all!!!! Maybe you'll come to a JoniFest so we can all enjoy your playing ;-) Anne ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 10:12:31 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: open mics Sarah said: <> I've been to Chapel Hill plenty, Sarah...I went to NC State, my wife was a UNC grad. All us State people had to go to Chapel Hill for dates as the Engineering Schools And Agricultural Schools didn't attract the most appealing of date potentials...I've been to The Cat's Cradle a couple times and I also saw George Thorogood at Memorial Hall, and I saw U2 in Kenan Stadium on their "War" tour - pretty cool! <> Gee, I always thought you could sing and play whatever chords you wanted to! :~) Maybe the chord they gave you is the "Lost Chord" - somebody tell the Moody Blues and maybe they won't sound like shite anymore!! :~) Seriously, glad your show went so well! Thanks for sharing. Bob NP: Marvelous 3, "You're So Yesterday" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 11:27:36 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Don starts a Row From: ParkerBurns@aol.com Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:56:40 EST In a message dated 12/17/99 3:05:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, Julian writes: << Come on listas ... Les is right, things have been too slow! >> <> What are you talking about here? Don't you realize that all artists are forever? If it is truly a universal expression it will stand the test of time. Joni's cool dude. <> "Spoon-fed"??? Hey buddy! I eat my propaganda with a dumptruck like any other good American sheep. Besides I just like the way the music sounds. I don't listen to the words. << I mean, why can't she just say who she's really sleeping with, what color she likes, is it a taxi or is it a tractor, what bridge should we reference, is she hanging out with a coyote or is it a guy she knows or is it just her watching a stranger, is it first, second or third person she is refering to???? The questions just go on and on anon.>> It's none of your buisness what she thinks, does or who she does it with. But if you want to know just e-mail me privately. << With someone like Limp Bizkit, Mariah Carey, and NSync it's nice easy music that has a strait-ahead message that's easily digestible for my two dimensional brain to handle - love and hate and nothing in between.>> Are you trying to say that there is more out there than love and hate? If this is so I don't want to know about it. Life is too confusing as it is with two "Million Dollar" game shows on two different channels let alone who I should take to the prom. << What's up with having "Two Grey Rooms" when all it leaves me with is out on an ocean of emotion and abstraction. If anyone out there can explain to me what Joni is really trying to say and if anyone has an extended-demo-mega-remix-club version of every single one of Joni's albums please have the UHall drop it off at my apartment.>> There's a remix of all of her albums? What's it called? I can send you my tape list if you want to trade? I especially liked that remix Joni did of that Janet Jackson song. Wouldn't it be cool if they paved Paradise? We could rollerblade all day in Heaven. <> Dude! I think you have a problem. Why don't you go and listen to your LimpSync Pariah Bizcuit or whatever? Oh hey, I think you made a typo at the end of your post with that weird punctuation. Peace Out, Foolian np: "Busy Doing Nothing" by the Beach Boys ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:34:46 PST From: "Russell Bowden" Subject: DJRD and some advice Emily, Lahm and all: DRJD will always be one of my #1 Joni topics. This album/cd has been in the top 3 Joni's since Day One. I remember that it cost a whopping $7.00 plus back in '77..I wore it out...and converted several nonbelievers with this one....One good (now late) friend; former junkie, ex-con, big ass-kickin Stones fan..just went lyric crazy over Otis and Marlena, and Dreamland!! Every time he came to my house. which was just about every day..he'd say,,,"Stovers, (me, Russell) put on that Mitchell about the emery file and midnight ramblin' on the lawn...." He would get this look of serenity and real happiness at the word play he would hear...Dang!! Gettin' teary-eyed remembering...Jimmy Mingle....with a long-necked Bud in one hand..a Camel or a joint (or both going at once) in the other. Silky Veils, to me is another Peak of Genius that Our Queen saw fit to offer us...Young, Old and Joni yet to come in that one...Sorry, I just finished Dickens' 'A Christmas Carol' last night! The title song still gets my feet up to dance! The Scorpio and Gemini images in this song are so amazing and right on...I think of it as Joni's astro confessional!! I could and probably would go on..but I gotta have lunch and do mail.... Thought you all might find this amusing...from a friend struggling with a new band... Love, Russ NP Ariadne auf Naxos (bliss!) > > > > 36 RULES FOR BANDS: > > 1. Never start a trio with a married couple. > > 2. Your manager's not helping you. Fire him/her. > > 3. Before you sign a record deal, look up the word > > "recoupable" in the > > dictionary. > > 4. No one cares who you've opened for. > > 5. A string section does not make your songs sound > > any more "important". > > 6. If your band has gone through more than 4 bass > > players, it's time to > > break up. > > 7. When you talk on stage you are never funny. > > 8. If you sound like another band, don't act like > > you're unfamiliar with > > their music ("Oh does Rage Against The Machine also > > do rap-rock with > > political lyrics?") > > 9. Asking a crowd how they're doing is just > > amplified small talk. Don't do > > it. > > 10. Don't say your video's being played if it's only > > on the Austin Music > > Network. > > 11. When you sign to a major label, claim to have > > inked the best contract > > ever. Mention "artistic freedom" and "a guaranteed 3 > > record deal". > > 12. When you get dropped insist that it was the > > worst contract ever and you > > asked to be let go. > > 13.Never name a song after your band. > > 14. Never name your band after a song. > > 15. When a drummer brings in his own songs and asks > > to perform one of them, > > begin looking for a new drummer IMMEDIATELY. > > 16. Never enter a "battle of the bands" contest. If > > you do you're already a > > loser. > > 17. Learn to recognize scary word pairings: "rock > > opera", "white rapper", > > "blues jam", "swing band", "open mike", etc. > > 18. Drummers can take off their shirts or they can > > wear gloves, but not > > both. > > 19. Listen, either break it to your parents or we > > will; it's rock 'n' roll, > > not a soccer game. They've gotta stop coming to your > > shows. > > 20. It's not a "showcase". It's a gig that doesn't > > pay. > > 21. No one cares that you have a web site. > > 22. Getting a tattoo is like sewing platform shoes > > to your feet. > > 23. Don't hire a publicist. > > 24. Playing in San Marcos & Alpine doesn't mean > > you're on tour. > > 25. Don't join a cover band that plays Bush songs. > > In fact, don't join a > > cover band. > > 26. Although they come in different styles and > > colours, electric guitars all > > sound the same. Why do you keep changing them > > between songs? > > ("ooops! GUILTY!!"- Timbo) > > 27. Don't stop your set to ask that beers be brought > > up. That's what > > girlfriends/boyfriends are for.("and/or lead > > singers!" -Timbo) > > 28. If you use a smoke machine your music sucks. > > 29. We can tell the difference between a > > professionally produced album cover > > and one you made with the iMac your mom got for > > Christmas. > > 30. Remember, if blues solos are so difficult, why > > can so many 16 year olds > > play them? > > 31. If you ever take a publicity photo, destroy it. > > You may never know where > > or when it will turn up. > > 32. Cut your hair, but do not shave your head. > > 33. Pierce your nose, but not your eyebrow. > > 34. Do not wear shorts onstage. Or a suit. Or a hat. > > 35. Rock oxymorons; "major label interest", "demo > > deal"," blues genius", > > "$500 guarantee", and "Fastball's second hit". > > 36. 3 things that are never coming back: a)gongs, > > b)headbands, and c)playing > > slide guitar with a beer bottle > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 12:45:57 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: A mind is a terrible thing to waste Jamie wrote: > Les writes > > Joni moved into her current residence when? 1974? 1975? I think it was around 1975. I recall a real extensive story in the L.A. Times around that time about her paintings and an art exhibit she was having in Laguna Beach, I think. It mentioned in passing her move into the new house. There were some color reproductions of some of the paintings and I have never seen any of them again in the Starart book or anywhere else. They were beautiful - a lot of the vivid colors she is currently using but the style was more abstract - similar to her painting "Axilar Moonrise". Wish I would have saved that article (bet Steve Dulson has it somewhere! ;-) > I write: > I thought she moved in in something like 1969/70? Isn't it the same house > that Graham Nash wrote Our House in? (A bit presumptuous wasn't he? ; ) The > same house that Houdini lived in. The Spanish style Bel Air Mansion. That > Wally went to. (I still can't believe that!) The house she lived in with Graham is on Lookout Mountain Ave. in Laurel Canyon. Half of the notables in the 60s music scene lived on that street or nearby around that time. It is basically a mountain pass and most of the homes are very old (by SoCal standards). They are not much more than rustic cabins and bungalows. It was one of the "hippie havens" back then, along with Beverly Glen canyon and Topanga Canyon. It is still very rustic, but now suffers from horrible rush hour traffic as people use it for a short cut to the San Fernando Valley. Bel Air is very different. While it is very woodsy and set out among the mountain canyons, it has a very elegant, exclusive and rarified air to it. > I reckon she must have paid off her mortgage by now. Didn't she also sell > some property that she had renovated and decorated? That must have made her > some money. That house is in the Hollywood Hills (east of Bel Air and Laurel Canyon) and the L.A. Times announced both the offering and the sale. > Sisotowbell Lane, off Cotton Avenue, River view. Paprika Plains location. > Ranch house on the hill, valley neighbours all with barbecues, barbed wire > security fence with curious red stain on barbs, 1 room decorated with > Chippendale furniture, 1 blue pool, 1 Puerto Rican maid with damaged shins, > 1 previous reckless owner, stones throw from the breaking waves of Malibu. > Contact Dreamland Realtors. I LOVE this!!! ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 15:18:28 -0600 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: TO A HEALTHY NEW YEAR! Here's to a happy and healthy new year to everyone! http://www.vitamins.com/ First time customers get an automatic $25 off your 1st order (see box at the top of home page) PLUS use code BACK105 to get an additional $10 off. PLUS shipping is free!! $35 for your healthy new year! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:40:50 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: LA Weekly Art review (LONG) Mark said a long time ago: >I'm curious about something. Did some of you who have studied art >find this article informative? Hi Mark: Sorry it's taken me so long to respond to this email, but I just got a chance to catch up on the list today. I thought that article was full of artistic hyperbole, and I haven't gotten through the rest of the responses to my question, but I basically think that assumption about Joni changing her name is crap. I know Joni can be pretentious at times, but if she changed her name in art school when she was 19 it was probably because she thought Joni sounded more like a ukelele player than Joan. You also said a long time ago: >Now just what the hell does 'gestural biomorphic abstraction' mean? >Does anyone know? Does anyone besides the author of this article >know? My father used to call this "neo-barfism." :-) ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 16:42:04 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: The Hissing of Summer Lawns Ah, I love these 'what do I think' questions!! The Hissing of Summer Lawns is also one of my favorite albums. I like to think of it as Joni peeling off the layers of suburban life. Ironically when I first heard this album I was a bored teenager living in a surreal suburban development on Long Island. Every lawn was perfect, every family was perfect and at night all the teenagers would go down to the park behind the community pool, get high and and play music. So the theme of Joni's album was perfect for the mood I was in. I was already a joni-acolyte at that time and bored all my friends with repeated playings of my Blue 8-track in my vw bug as we would ride to Jethro Tull concerts. (this is not an episode of "that 70s show" this was really my life, guys) My favorite song to play off that album is Don't Interrupt the Sorrow! Damn right! I also love Harry's House/Centerpiece. Joe Sample's piano solo is amazing. hope this isn't old news...take care, sue np: trail of broken hearts...kd lang ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:42:31 -0500 (EST) From: Emily Kirk Gray Subject: DJRD cont. Russ wrote: "Silky Veils, to me is another Peak of Genius that Our Queen saw fit to offer us...Young, Old and Joni yet to come in that one..." i agree, i agree! that song ends a work of art more perfectly than most things i can think of, especially the last two lines, "It's just in dreams we fly In my dreams we fly." putting those two sentences back to back to me is the entire message of the album (if not joni's oeuvre) in its entirety. this joining says -- reality is here, we can never pretend it is not, including all the violence and stupidity and racism in the world (i.e. "it's only in dreams that we escape") but then comes back immediately to powerfully answer that idea with: art is the beautiful madness in which anything is possible, in which we can imagine other lives, solutions, situations (i.e., "in my dreams we can fly -- isn't that wonderful and amazing!") i don't know if i am making clear what these lines mean to me -- all i know is that in their stunning simplicity (capping an album of gorgeous confusion and complexity) they speak truth to me (my truth, anyway). thanks for prompting me to think more about this song, and album! - -- emily ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:52:24 -0500 From: "Chuck EIsenhardt" Subject: Holiday fils: Capote The Capote film about the fruitcake-making, I know as a book, called 'A Christmas Memory'. I didn't know there was a film, or if it's so called. It's an incredibly touching story mainly sketching his relationship with a spinster cousin, Miss Sook Faulk down in Alabama, with whom he spent much formative time. This book may completely change the way you think about fruitcake! It's a slim little thing, a 30 minute read, and nice read aloud. There is a companion Capote book about Thanksgiving called 'A Thanksgiving Visitior'. They are around in Random House editions from the mid-fifties done up in nice bindings and slipcases. They are also in print in a Modern Library hardcover with a third story called 'One Christmas'. Highly recommended. np: Dee Carstensen 'Regarding the Soul' now wondering: what's Paz' big surprise? Hmmm... chuck ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:46:36 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: open mics hey! five of my students have been accepted by unc so far!!! talk about synchro... wallyk > I've been to Chapel Hill plenty, Sarah...I went to NC State, my wife was a UNC grad. All us State people had to go to Chapel Hill for dates as the Engineering Schools And Agricultural Schools didn't attract the most appealing of date potentials...I've been to The Cat's Cradle a couple times and I also saw George Thorogood at Memorial Hall, and I saw U2 in Kenan Stadium on their "War" tour - pretty cool! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:06:02 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: A mind is a terrible thing to waste Snip from Jamie's post: < Subject: Re: A mind is a terrible thing to waste Penny wrote: > And if I recall correctly, wasn't their one more Joni house that was > even closer than a stones throw, during a particularly nasty Feb storm, > from the breaking waves at Malibu. When was that (Kakki, Dulson?) that > Joni's beach house was in the national news because it was one of the > homes that had gotten water damage from the incredibly high waves? > Another of Joni's troubles from the mid-80's? Did she ever live there? > From what I can remember of the article they said the house was still so > new the smoke detectors didn't even work correctly yet. Wow, Penny, you have more tidbits on Joni that I didn't know about than anyone - you must have been paying much better attention than me during the pre-internet days! ;-) Yes, Joni does have a home in Malibu on the beach. In the Henry Diltz "Under The Covers" CD-Rom he has some photos of her sitting by an open glass door overlooking the sand, painting and with her leg in a cast. (Sounds like a great way to air out those painting fumes). I didn't know that home was damaged, but I'm not surprised because just about everyone who lives there goes through an almost annual cycle of various disasters from either waves, floods or fires. > And also, wasn't the Houdini house the one that she's still in? Is it true that this was Houdini's former house? My recall is that the "Houdini Mansion" is much grander and located closer to Hollywood. Maybe the place in Bel Air was his "starter house." Wonder if he ever pays a visit? ;-) Kakki NP: Otmaro Ruiz - Las Tres Marias ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 17:49:25 -0800 From: pat Subject: HAPPY HOLIDAYS! hi everybody, I've got a little too much on my plate these days and haven't been onlist for a while. Just wanted to write and say I miss you guys and hope you have a happy holiday season. Oh yeah, A Digital Greeting Card is waiting for you at our virtual post office! take care, pat The pick-up address is - -- http://www.all-yours.net/program/start20?read00&id=548176363-jo -- pick up number: 548176363-jo AOL CLICK - ----------------------------------- (c) The Digital Internet Postcard Provided as a free service by All-Yours Internet Solutions [0] http://www.all-yours.net/ webmaster@all-yours.net ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:02:03 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: HAPPY HOLIDAYS! In a message dated 12/17/1999 8:52:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, badwolff@angelfire.com writes: << hi everybody, I've got a little too much on my plate these days and haven't been onlist for a while. Just wanted to write and say I miss you guys and hope you have a happy holiday season. Oh yeah, A Digital Greeting Card is waiting for you at our virtual post office! take care, pat >> Pat! That was a great card. I wish I could be right there right now!! GORGEOUS!!! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 22:31:17 -0600 From: evian Subject: the Joni Mitchell Companion Hey you wonderful listers, Just a quick question about the Joni Mitchell Companion. Wasn't it today it was supposed to be released? And if so, are the release dates (or whatever the hell you call the day when a book is published) the same for the U.S. and Canada? I've been keeping my eye on Chapters and Indigo's sites, but they have some dumb-ass wrong info. Chapters says it take 3 to 5 weeks to ship, which they have been saying for months (they somehow think it was released in June), and they are charging 35 bucks for it. Indigo also says it's been released in June, and they are charging 22 bucks or something. Since that info was so wacky, I went to Amazon, and they are charging like 12 bucks U.S. So anyway, I am just wondering if it is indeed out now, and if it is, let me know, because I'll call Chapters and tell them to get with the program. I asked at Titles in Saskatoon today about it, and the guy just looked at me and said "uhhh... we have that Joni Mitchell biography..." so basically, I am shit out of luck unless I find it online. Btw, I just realized I am swearing like a sailor, but forgive me... I braved the crowds today, and after dragging a cart with a broken wheel all around Costco this afternoon (the place was so crowded I basically had to park in a different time zone), I realized the 4000 lb bag of cat litter I had in my cart had a tear in it and I ended up leaving a lovely mess down the frozen food aisle). I wish I had a River... Evian ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:41:03 -0700 From: Les Irvin Subject: Joni Mitchell interview on KCSN 88.5FM Joniphiles - I received this message tonight: >From: "Laurence Cohen" >Subject: Joni Mitchell interview on KCSN 88.5FM >Tuesday, 12/21 from noon to 1:00pm in Los Angeles > >Joni talks about her exhibition of paintings currrently running at LACE in >Los Angeles. New tracks from her upcoming CD "Both SIdes Now" will have >their world premiere. Spread the word. Ok... who's going to tape it for the rest of us???? Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 23:56:08 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: DJRD cont. Emily says: << i agree, i agree! that song ends a work of art more perfectly than most things i can think of, especially the last two lines, >> Of course the whole of DJRD is genius, unrecognized by most. Ain't it cool that WE all get it... I love this phrase in "Silky Veils": "I wish I had the wings of Noah's pretty little white dove I would fly this raging river To reach the one I love But I have no wings And the water is so wide We'll have to row a little harder It's just in dreams we fly" What a gorgeous bit of poetry...anyone who's ever been separated by a great distance from a true love can feel the emotion of that. Bob ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Dec 1999 21:14:47 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni Mitchell interview on KCSN 88.5FM Les wrote: > >Joni talks about her exhibition of paintings currrently running at LACE in > >Los Angeles. New tracks from her upcoming CD "Both SIdes Now" will have > >their world premiere. Spread the word. Whoo hoo !!!! I think that's the really great local classic jazz station. I tuned it in once in my mom's car and it's all she listens to now. > Ok... who's going to tape it for the rest of us???? There's no better man for the job than our own Ken Corral and I'm forwarding this alert to him so he doesn't have to wait for digest ;-) It's difficult for me to plan my time well during work, but I will also do what's possible to get a least a copy off my humble player there. Maybe Clark and Steve can tune and tape in, too. ****Tuesday, 12/21 from Noon to 1:00 p.m. in Los Angeles. Yabba dabba doo!! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 02:51:12 EST From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: the Joni Mitchell Companion Haven't had a side-splitting belly laugh like this in a blue moon. You're an absolute panic, Evian!: << I asked at Titles in Saskatoon today about it, and the guy just looked at me and said "uhhh... we have that Joni Mitchell biography..." so basically, I am shit out of luck unless I find it online. Btw, I just realized I am swearing like a sailor, but forgive me... I braved the crowds today, and after dragging a cart with a broken wheel all around Costco this afternoon (the place was so crowded I basically had to park in a different time zone), I realized the 4000 lb bag of cat litter I had in my cart had a tear in it and I ended up leaving a lovely mess down the frozen food aisle). I wish I had a River... Evian >> ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #301 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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