From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #285 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, December 5 1999 Volume 01 : Number 285 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: More Joni report ["Marian Russell" ] Re: Kakki's cookbook question ["Marian Russell" ] Re: Paintings, cookbooks, special ed. & cyberspace ["Australian Seashells] Re: More Joni report ["Marian Russell" ] Re: More Joni report [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: More Joni report [TerryM2442@aol.com] Joni in Vanity Fair supplement [MGVal@aol.com] Re: UK Fanzine ["Matthew Hall" ] Re: UK Fanzine ["Matthew Hall" ] LACE Encounters ["Chuck EIsenhardt" ] LOTC ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Kakki: JMDL Ambassador Extaordinaire [Julie Webb ] Snowy Landscape LACE etc ["Jamie Zubairi" ] ps. spellcheck error [Julie Webb ] Rolling Stone ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] pss. one more thing [Julie Webb ] spellcheck error [Julie Webb ] Tom Rush liner notes (Detroit Joni content) [Brian Gross ] cookbooks [Kate ] Re: More Joni report ["Paul Castle" ] Re: pss. one more thing ["Marian Russell" ] JMDL Cookbook - 2nd edition? ["Marian Russell" ] Re: Joni hearing our doing her music (MD) [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: Snowy Landscape ; Both Sides Now and painting surprise [Phyliss Ward ] RE: Joni hearing our doing her music (MD) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Snowy Landscape ; Both Sides Now and painting surprise ["Jamie Zubair] joni dream (abstract joni content) [Wolfebite@aol.com] Mummy's Right [Michael Paz ] Re: who thought up the cookbook idea, etc. ["Beverly" ] Box Set Beauty [Julian51469@aol.com] Re: who thought up the cookbook idea, etc. ["Marian Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 10:41:26 CET From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: More Joni report Oh, Kakki - thank you so much for continuing to report about your wonderful time and your impressions. It's like being there to read your posts! You are such a great representative for JMDL!!! Thank you!!! Marian Vienna > >I also felt this validation for all of us here. Any small doubts I may >have had are all completely erased now. Her friends know us and she knows >us and the feeling I got was that we are very much considered as this >little >special group that is a recognized and regarded part of her "family." ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 10:51:07 CET From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: Kakki's cookbook question Kakki wrote: >Marian, Michael and Jerry - are you still going to be reproducing copies of >[the cookbook] >I would say the work has definitely increased in value and demand since the >first edition ;-) There are four copies of the cookbook in existence exactly the same - the one JOni has plus the ones Ashara, Bern and John van Tiel have. I had to send my copy to Joni because I couldn't find another binder like the ones I'd used for the copies that were given/raffled in Boston. I'm hoping this one little shop in Vienna can order more binders (or at least one more binder) because I'd like to have an exact copy for myself. If anyone else would like an exact duplicate, please let me know privately. The cost is rather steep, though - the postage alone from Austria is nearly $40, the binder is about $12, the plastic covers about $6 and the paper about $2 - so the total cost is approx. $60. I think this is way more than the printed version will be. Marian Vienna ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:21:14 +0800 From: "Australian Seashells" Subject: Re: Paintings, cookbooks, special ed. & cyberspace Hello, folks! Delurking again - Thanks to all the reporters from the "Joni at Lace" exhibition. Wish we would have more opportunity to see some of Joni's paintings. Still, Thank God For Small Crumbs! Even your descriptions (can't wait for the pics) positively glow like the mentioned landscape.. But virtual reality can't come to soon for my mind! Just imagine, we'd have been able to kit Kakki, Phylliss and everyone out with a pair of cyber-goggles and some really hyper sound equipment - and be there ourselves! All of the list plugged in, wherever we happened to be physically, joining the fun (even being able to see it all through several different perspectives - gulp!) in cyberspace... Growl! That thought is enought to make me really pace up & down! I don't really want to move to L.A. - so what alternative is there? And there would be a few side benefits, too.. Instead of having to deal with 1000nds of fans, Joni could relaxedly shoot the breeze (no pun intended) with just one (or a few) happy lister(s)... Oh, well. Good to hear that the cookbook is in the works! Where do I sign up for one? Yo! This new Joni album - Special edition - sounds like a beauty! Wouldn't Reprise appreciate something like a guaranteed number of pre-orders for that? How many of us would want one? Or give one as a very special present to someone?! It seems to me that for any publishing/record company it's a bit of a gamble every time in regard to how many items of an expensive "Special Edition" they should produce, since they don't really know how well they'll sell. A fixed pre-order deal would help them make up their minds about producing a few more, don't you think? And now's the time surely?! While the project is still in the works with Reprise, there might still be time to ask them. I'm happy to pay whatever in advance, if only one of the guys in the know can set something up - maybe through Robbie Cavolina, who sounds not only approachable, but an absolute darling. And never mind any autographs... if they happen to come with it, so much the better... Thanks very much for the news again, Simone NP: 2 Kookaburras in the Gum tree outside - no kidding! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 11:37:00 CET From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: More Joni report zapuppy2@webtv.net writes: << I would be very curious about hearing some of the thoughts of those on the boxset, how they feel about Joni listening to them, rather than vice versa. >> I feel similar to Terry, Cat and Anne - when I listen to my stuff it's hard to ignore all the mistakes in lyrics and at times chords and rhythm. When I think of JOni listening to me, it's hard not to feel embarrassed - like a student before the master. I do hope at some point in the future to have an opportunity to do a better performance. I feel most uncomfortable about the singing I did at Atty May's which was rather squeaky and my guitar playing there which was pretty terrible - Michael's guitar (Michael really gets a wonderful sound out of it) needs a much more delicate touch than an acoustic. So I hope Joni will be forgiving. But I think what Kakki said is true - the boxed-set is representative of our great love for Joni's music and of the special connection we have found with each other through JMDL. That is what is most important. Marian Vienna ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:34:49 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: More Joni report In a message dated 12/4/1999 2:14:58 AM Eastern Standard Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << Dear Anne, Terry, Catgirl and any others who are upset about Joni hearing the box set, >> Oh Kakki! I'm not upset that she has the box set! I gave my ok 100% to the project, knowing it would be out there for anyone to hear. It's just my own insecurities about my singing that has me cringing, but I'm thrilled and proud to know that Joni has an official record of our JoniFest gathering. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 08:43:01 EST From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: More Joni report In a message dated 12/4/1999 4:44:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, marian8888@hotmail.com writes: << You are such a great representative for JMDL!!! Thank you!!! >> I think Kakki should be appointed as the Ambassador to Siquombdom! Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:43:58 EST From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Joni in Vanity Fair supplement Last night, I was called up from my post-monthend stupor by my youngest son who had been flipping through the new Vanity Fair supplement in-between bouts of saving the world via Nintendo. "Look, look, it's Joni!" he cried. Since I was not officially in the midst of a nap, the urchin felt it safe to rouse me. At first, I thought that the list contact high of the Joni/Lace encounters had gone too far and infiltrated even the lug head of my Nintendo crazed offspring. As my eyes regained their focus, I saw that he was holding up the page with Joni from a 1970 Joel Bernstein photo session. A "rare, exuberant moment," to quote the caption. Check it out for yourselves on page 23. MG np: weekend chore avoidance ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 15:10:05 -0000 From: "Matthew Hall" Subject: Re: UK Fanzine Hello Everyone, I am new to this list and I have an agenda... I am currently setting up a fanzine in the U.K. called 'Obiting'. It is based around artists such as Tori Amos, Bjork, Pj Harvey, Kate Bush, Ani Difranco, Jewel, Sinead O'Connor, Madonna, Alanis Morissette and erm, Joni... I am big fan of Joni's, and for the first issue, it would be nice to have an article on her because her contribution to music has been so great. I'm looking for someone who is willing to come on board and write this feature for me, please. I'm looking for some original writing about Joni and not simply a profile. At the same time, this is not exclusively a Joni fanzine and so it must be a good read for a non-Joni fan. It would be good to have a look at the stages of her career - don't worry about the length for the moment. It really is up to you. And all fanzine profits go to charity. Tori Amos set up the 'RAINN' charity in the U.S. and so in the UK, we have to find some sort of equivalent. But rest assured that the money, if there is any, will go to a good cause. Thanks, Matthew By the way, I am getting the impression that you all made a CD or something and gave it to Joni? That is amazing! Someone tell me about it, it might be a very interesting article. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 15:10:58 -0000 From: "Matthew Hall" Subject: Re: UK Fanzine Hello Everyone, I am new to this list and I have an agenda... I am currently setting up a fanzine in the U.K. called 'Obiting'. It is based around artists such as Tori Amos, Bjork, Pj Harvey, Kate Bush, Ani Difranco, Jewel, Sinead O'Connor, Madonna, Alanis Morissette and erm, Joni... I am big fan of Joni's, and for the first issue, it would be nice to have an article on her because her contribution to music has been so great. I'm looking for someone who is willing to come on board and write this feature for me, please. I'm looking for some original writing about Joni and not simply a profile. At the same time, this is not exclusively a Joni fanzine and so it must be a good read for a non-Joni fan. It would be good to have a look at the stages of her career - don't worry about the length for the moment. It really is up to you. And all fanzine profits go to charity. Tori Amos set up the 'RAINN' charity in the U.S. and so in the UK, we have to find some sort of equivalent. But rest assured that the money, if there is any, will go to a good cause. Thanks, Matthew By the way, I am getting the impression that you all made a CD or something and gave it to Joni? That is amazing! Someone tell me about it, it might be a very interesting article. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 10:36:21 -0500 From: "Chuck EIsenhardt" Subject: LACE Encounters Thanks for the reports you guys have posted. What fantastic news. JMDL could not have a better set of ambassadresses, I'm sure! Altho, I think Kakki would have to get the nod for principal plenipotentiary to the stars! I am trying to put together some thoughts on this turn of events. I am most blown away that JMDL is on her radar, let alone seemingly growing in her regard. This could only culminate in her attending the Nawlin's show! She can help de-vien the shrimp! (Les, send Kakki another set, and quick!) np: 'Christmas Rapping' -the Waitresses Chuck ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:57:36 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: LOTC Just read in my new Acoustic Sounds Catalog that LOTC will be released next month on DCC Gold CD. List price is $25.00 Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 03:20:30 -0500 From: Julie Webb Subject: Kakki: JMDL Ambassador Extaordinaire Oh My Gawwwwd, after being digests behind, I just read another one of Kakki's close encounters of the uptight Joni-kind-------and I am delighted by her update---an early cyber stocking stuffer for me! (Joni loved our cookbook!!!! Great reporting Kakki...Way to go Marian! [ I believe it was Marian and I who conceived the idea, but Marian of course went through labor and delivered that baby! With Paz assisting...] "A rich exchange it seems to me." Doesn't our Kakki possesses a magical quality where by being one of the most unassuming and non-pushy people---and yet she miraculously manages to find herself effortlessly ushered into situations that most of us would normally claw our way through...and still not get anywhere. And is she not the master of gracious diplomacy? I'm so happy that Joni Mitchell liked our cookbook....I remember thinking---when deciding whether or not to mention the idea to the jmdl---that jmdlers might find the idea totally banal and frumpy ----as in {"what's next, jmdl crocheted toilet paper covers?"} but as it turns out "Joni liked it," (aren't I sounding so "Mikey, likes it?") That's "Life" for you... Finally, she knows we exist because our personalized dossiers or bios at the beginning of the cookbook. show that we are not a bunch of crazy loons (yea right) She likes us she really likes us, so Sally Field of me, -Juliezwebb, feeling pathetically self actualized ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 16:30:03 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Snowy Landscape LACE etc Dear JOnipeople All these posts about people meeting Joni in person and she being soooo nice. I am so green w/ envy! Kakki, Phyliss, Lindsay, Patti anyone else. You are so lucky! Eric Taylor: The snowy landscape is on the back cover of the TTT album, above the cat. It's a photograph as opposed to a repro of a painting. And it does look more luminous on PWWAM than repro'd on the back. I think she must use a luminous white for that. White which has tiny specks of something reflective (but not sparkly!)to give it that luminous quality. I can't wait even more for Both Sides Now (Is that what it's called? Anyone know for sure?) Much Joni Jamie Zubairi Remember, Joni is for Life, Not just Christmas. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 03:54:57 -0500 From: Julie Webb Subject: ps. spellcheck error Error Error! My last email incorrectly read "Kakki's close encounters of the uptight Joni-kind" and it should read "upteenth" instead of 'uptight.' Another example of how spell check and composing email without contact lenses on---is not necessarily a good combo. JulieZw ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 11:58:07 -0500 (EST) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Rolling Stone Besides that fab foto of Joni on the cover, she is mentioned in an interview with my old buddy Michael Tilson Thomas. He, like myself, got turned onto Joni early because of Buffalo's closeness to and with Toronto. He was a very young conductor of the Buffalo Philharmonic Orchestra at the time. What American popular music has stayed with you awhile? From the sheer spinning of a phrase, from the musical standpoint, there's no question that Sarah Vaughn, Ella Fitzgerald, Smokey Robinson, James Brown were inspiring. Also, there was Laura Nyro and Joni Mitchell - colosally important. Do you like Joni Mitchell's words or her music? Everything. I just think it's altogether fabulous. I know those songs. When you talk about music that really stays with you, that is important for most of your life when you need to hang on to something, all that music is in my heart, along with Schubert and Monteverdi. It's all there. I think Joan would be be quite pleased. Especially since she loves Gershwin and Michael is such a great interpreter of his music. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 04:22:57 -0500 From: Julie Webb Subject: pss. one more thing pss. Now that I think about it, if my memory serves me correctly---Bev Fishpond was there too dreaming up that cookbook. -Julie, pssss-ed out for now ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 04:53:18 -0500 From: Julie Webb Subject: spellcheck error This is a multi-part message in MIME format. - --------------7863C63B078BF1BA5B09223E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Error Error! My last email incorrectly read "Kakki's close encounters of the uptight Joni-kind" and it should read "upteenth" instead of 'uptight.' Another example of how spell check and composing email without contact lenses on---is not necessarily a good combo. JulieZw - --------------7863C63B078BF1BA5B09223E Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3848D6E1.DA66309E@visint.com> Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 03:54:57 -0500 From: Julie Webb X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.7 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joni@smoe.org Subject: ps. spellcheck error Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Error Error! My last email incorrectly read "Kakki's close encounters of the uptight Joni-kind" and it should read "upteenth" instead of 'uptight.' Another example of how spell check and composing email without contact lenses on---is not necessarily a good combo. JulieZw - --------------7863C63B078BF1BA5B09223E-- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 09:49:19 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Gross Subject: Tom Rush liner notes (Detroit Joni content) On Tom Rush's new cd "The Very Best of Tom Rush: No Regrets", there are liner notes about each included song. Here's what he has to say about Urge For Going: "I was playing a club in Detroit called The Chessmate when Joni Mitchell, who had recently started playing the local coffee house circuit, came in and asked the owner if she could do a guest set. Her songs, this one in particular, bowled me over. I ended up recording three of her tunes for the album named after one of them, The Circle Game." Pat Henry - is this the club where you and Cul Heath worked? Take care, Brian np: No Regrets from this wonderful album ===== "No paper thin walls, no folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. All in one place. Yahoo! Shopping: http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:04:31 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Snowy Landscape ; Both Sides Now and painting surprise Jamie wrote: > Eric Taylor: The snowy landscape is on the back cover of the TTT album, > above the cat. It's a photograph as opposed to a repro of a painting. And it > does look more luminous on PWWAM than repro'd on the back. I think she must > use a luminous white for that. White which has tiny specks of something > reflective (but not sparkly!)to give it that luminous quality. Would it be "Titanium White" or is there another kind of white you are thinking of? This made me think back to when I was a kid. Where most parents help their children memorize and recite multiplcation tables, my father had me memorizing and reciting different oil paint colors like titanium white, burnt siena, yellow ochre, indigo blue and such (probably why I can't do math to this day, but I'm not complaining ;-) He especially would emphasize that I should always buy the White with titantium in it even though it was more expensive. > I can't wait even more for Both Sides Now (Is that what it's called? Anyone > know for sure?) I actually don't know for sure and forgot to ask the other night! But it's a good bet because, as I think Phyliss mentioned, the back CD cover art is her painting of the back of her image on the front cover. It's very clever. Phyliss sent me a scan of the front cover painting last night which she is hoping to soon get up on the web site along with the others. We learned something surprising that we'd overlooked before! She is wearing a billowy green jacket or dress and has her head propped up on one arm that has the hand holding the cigarette. So that forearm is facing the viewer and there is a large and distinct HEART image created in the folds of the jacket! ("wearing my heart on my sleeve"). There is also a coaster on the bar with something written on it and a pen nearby. We have not been able to make it out too clearly but wonder if it is a "cartoon coaster" with her drawing of "map of Canada with your face sketched on it twice"! The background could definitely be described as "Blue T.V. screen light" and now were are looking for more hidden images in the smoke rings! ;-) As Lindsay expressed, I also felt that her new version of "Case of You" is the ultimate tear-jerker on the album. Wow. I can't wait to see what other "surprises" the project may hold! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 10:08:32 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: spellcheck error > Error Error! My last email incorrectly read "Kakki's close encounters > of the uptight Joni-kind" and it should read "upteenth" instead of > 'uptight.' Ha, Julie! I just thought you were talking "hep cat" like in the song that goes "Uptight, everything is alright, uptight, and out of sight..." ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 13:31:02 -0700 From: Kate Subject: cookbooks Howdy Folks Have been enjoying all the reports about meeting up with Joni (I've met her several times in dreams, and what a sweetie she is); it's exactly the kind of personal anecdote I enjoy reading on this list. I'm wondering if I could be of any help in getting the cookbook's printing off the ground. I work for a publishing company that has a lot of experience in this sort of thing -- I mean, we have our own bindery machine and all the necessary computer programs, etc, to put a book together -- now maybe because it would have to be paid for in Canadian dollars it wouldn't be feasible (or would it? come to think of it...) but anyway Marian if you'd like to test out the options up here let me know and I can find out what needs to be found out (pricewise, etc). I would certainly throw in my time at no charge, wherever possible. Kate of the North ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 18:18:11 -0500 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: More Joni report Kakki wrote (about the Jonifest Box set) >But I don't think you all should feel so self-conscious about it. >It's not about giving Joni some slick, professional product - >it's about our hearts and spirits and love for her and her >inspiration to all of us. It's also a tangible example of how >she has brought people together from all over the world. >I am absolutely sure she would see nothing but beauty in >any "imperfection" and it would touch her all the more. Oh Kakki, of all the highly charged, wonderfully emotional, and truly exciting posts I have been reading from all of you over the last few days, this is the one that has finally done me in!! This is all too much for me. I'm going to bed early! PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 19:55:34 CET From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: pss. one more thing Julie wrote: >pss. Now that I think about it, if my memory serves me correctly---Bev >Fishpond was there too dreaming up that cookbook. -Julie, pssss-ed >out for now > Well, if Bev helped dream it up, she never managed to get around to contributing to it. I really cannot recall anything from the initial discussions except for you dreaming up the title, Julie, and I feel badly that you weren't given credit for that on the cover page. I was so involved with trying to put it all together in a consistent format (which was a lot of work) and trying to finally get it to Joni (which was very expensive - tried three times, third time was lucky) that I overlooked this. Michael, Jerry, Kate, whoever is in charge of getting it published, we should make sure that Julie gets credit for the cookbook's title "Sitting On My Groceries" in the final printed version. Marian Vienna NP: Big Yellow Taxi - Catgirl (what a pretty voice!!!) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 20:04:24 CET From: "Marian Russell" Subject: JMDL Cookbook - 2nd edition? Since how to publish the book is still up in the air, I wonder about possibly opening up the book for more contributions, so that people who didn't get a chance to contribute before can do so. Whenever this book is finally published, it is planned that several copies of it would be sent to Joni. I think there was also some talk about modifying the bios, but I don't remember how they were to be modified. I would be interested to hear from anyone who has thoughts about this. I am willing to continue adding recipes and bios until the question of how to publish the book is resolved. Another person who should be credited on the cover page is Jerry Notaro who spent time looking through the book and making corrections before the first edition was printed. Marian Vienna NP: F-Troop - This Flight Tonight (great guitar playing, Terry!) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 14:44:30 EST From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni hearing our doing her music (MD) In a message dated 99-12-03 02:47:39 EST, zapuppy2@webtv.net writes: << I would be very curious about hearing some of the thoughts of those on the boxset, how they feel about Joni listening to them, rather than vice versa. >> Personally I considered it a miracle when Les considered putting my songs on the Box Set in the first place. Considering how little time I spent doing it in my home studio at first I was concerned. Theres all kinds of mistakes. I hadnt used my equipment in the three years since I set up the studio and some of the equipment was malfunctioning. You can hear the reverb increase out of the blue right in the middle of For Free etc etc. I had lost my callouses and made the double mistake of hitting golf balls all morning before I did my mandolin tracks so my hands were cramping big time and I felt like a cripple. I hadn't played in so long that I had forgotten that you dont practice golf when you have to do acoustic instrument playing the same day.But the tape to be finished and sent the next day. My voice was VERY out of shape and all that. Normally you spend more time mixing the songs tracks into the final version on the tape than you do recording them but I mixed them all in about three hours. Having said all that it was still an honor to be included. THEN when kakki writes that she had given the Box set to Joni Mitchell I had to be revived. My first thought was that If I had known that Joni herself would actually get to hear this stuff I would have hired a band , hired a professional producer, practiced for 6 months and gone into a 24 track studio. On the other hand thats not the point. Joni would not have been impressed if I had. She cavorts with the gods and godesses of the music industry. She can do a duet with Emmylou Harris or Van Morrison with a phone call. The whole point of what Kakki did was that at the wonderful moment when she could have enjoyed the entire moment of meeting Joni in person all by herself she thought of all of us in the JMDL instead. Everybody. Les, Wally, Ashara, those who went to Toppsfield, those who didnt. For that she gets the official standing ovation. As for the music itself, since I received the incredible boxed set I got to hear everyone for the first time. Catgirl, Marian & Terry (I had heard them on the Julie Webb video), Michael, Bryan, the Incredible Mr. Kairez, etc and the special atmosphere of the party itself and the love for Joni and her art absolutely emanates from it. As for my contributions. After I played the CDs a few times I literally asked myself "Good grief, what would joni literally think of my songs if she ever heard them". I think she would like For Free. I said "i dont think she would cringe (musically) if she heard that one". My last take is that if I was Joni I would be touched that a group such as this exists at all. The quality of the "music product" is meaningless. It is just that fact that the event took place that is special. I will be eternally grateful that I was allowed a place on this CD. It means that all the millions of hours that I spent playing over the last 30 years was worth it. Ive been doing Jonis songs both privately and on stage at my gigs ever since I first played the guitar in the 60's. Now because of the consideration of others to include me in the project I have finally been able to give something back to the person who has given so much to me. Life is a funny thing sometimes. I want to thank Kakki for thinking of all of us when it counted. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 11:57:32 -0800 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: Snowy Landscape ; Both Sides Now and painting surprise Kakki wrote: > Jamie wrote: > > > I can't wait even more for Both Sides Now (Is that what it's called? > Anyone > > know for sure?) > > I actually don't know for sure and forgot to ask the other night! But it's > a good bet because, as I think Phyliss mentioned, the back CD cover art is > her painting of the back of her image on the front cover. It's very clever. Yes, I remember that being the title printed on the prototype burgundy box. So unless she changes her mind soon.....after all, it is Joni's perogative.... In my other cchance to speak with Joni my leading question was "Which of these paintings are the newest?" She became qutie animated at that and pointed to the 'french kiss', the 'yellow roses', and the 'album cover shot'. She described how the back cover painting (not at the gallery) was the back of her head but done in 'fantasy' from her head. She described the No Smoking Sign and the romantic black and white movie showing on the TV screen behind the bar. Its funny how neither Kakki or I noticed the heart on the sleeve that night. that was my favorite painting and I spent a lot of time in front of it. It's so obvious now. Pat, Lindsay, Andy, Did you notice??? And I stood staring at the coaster thing trying to figure out what it was. The Case of You association never crossed my mind. Chalk it up to the excitement of the evening I guess. ; - - ) - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 17:37:13 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni hearing our doing her music (MD) marcel, i really don't want this to fall under the "mutual admiration society" category or want you to think that i'm coming on to you or anything, but SELDOM have i heard so sensuous, manly, DANGEROUSLY mesmerizing a voice as yours. i am irremediably exuberant and temperamental, so you will surely think i'm exaggerating and won't take me seriously. well, refrain from it. the quality of your voice -- boy, the sheer texture of it -- is beyond technical considerations, such as, "did i play the mandolin well?" or "is this well mixed?" i adore the box set, it brings back my fondest memories of 1999...of the decade, what the hell. i love EVERYBODY's sets and renditions. i keep going back to them continuously, to anne, terry, ashes, marian, cat, michael, chuck, john, bryan and brian, ME, the f-troop, bob's southern sensitive-butch voice, everybody, the memory of les watching it from the wings, julie-- dear sister-- bern and mark -- the most beautiful men one earth-- everybody, mg -- i love you, darling -- heather -- where are you, how are you, my dream visitor -- gina, oh f--k, i don't want to leave anybody out, KAKKI, of course, ambassadress extraordinaire, smiling jody, pearl! kenny, laura, pippin, en fin, you get the idea: everybody. but after hearing you sing, marcel, after singing along with you, intimately, intensely drawn to the color of your vowels and the feel your voice, you might as well be a giant bug from outer space and you'd still remain beauty incarnate to me. i am not embarrassed at all that joni should listen to my set. why should i be! it's all in her honor, but it's MY set and MY voice and MY choices. i was embarrassed that YOU people should have to listen to me. but joni? nah! and just like the mosquito bites in my legs -- which are STILL reactivating, kakki dearest -- withdrawals come and go, even as late as december. wallyk > Personally I considered it a miracle when Les considered putting my songs on > the Box Set in the first place. Considering how little time I spent doing it > in my home studio at first I was concerned. Theres all kinds of mistakes ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 13:27:32 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: More Joni report At 11:37 AM 12/4/99 CET, Marian Russell wrote: >When I think of JOni listening to me, it's hard not to feel >embarrassed - like a student before the master. Hi Marian, You're in good company! No less a performer than Shawn Colvin wrote in the liner notes for her album "Fat City" ....."to Joni Mitchell, me wimp, you master." I also seem to recall reading that Joni and Kilauren were thrilled with the JMDL tribute tape effort from a couple of years ago, and I thought that Myrtle ended up with a copy of the tapes as well, to be included in the Anderson/Mitchell heirlooms and archives. It wouldn't surprise me if this box set also ends up there...a place of honor, IMO. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 00:03:35 GMT From: "Jamie Zubairi" Subject: Re: Snowy Landscape ; Both Sides Now and painting surprise Kakki wrote: >Would it be "Titanium White" or is there another kind of white you are >thinking of. Titanium white is one of them and certainly the most 'white of all the 'flat' colours. But there is another white, one that is almost luminescent. At art school we were advised always to get pots of Titanium white if we were ever going to buy oils but at the shop there was this smaller tube of white that was incandescent and even more expensive. Your descriptions of the album covers are intriguing (sp? hello?) I CAN'T WAIT. Hang on I can count the days: Jan 4 London JoniFest 2000 FEb 8th Both Sides Now released to all the world! The release of her Memoirs was scheduled in December (after initially being pencilled in for May 1999!!) So maybe there is about 4 months of Joni days coming up! Taking deep breaths. Jamie Zubairi ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 19:26:19 EST From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: joni dream (abstract joni content) hello all with the most recent energy about the most recent joni meetings and insights- i too have felt this supercharged energy and excitement about ALL THINGS JONI (as my friends here say- ie: 'hey doug, how are ALL THINGS JONI?"). so i was struck by her comments about the cookbook- how she actually read it- ALL of it- and remembered enough to comment on it to Kakki. think of it- how often have you read or heard about something- and then later- run into someone affiliated with that something and actually had the where-for-all to make the connection and comment?? i lousy at it! so our joan strikes me as someone who pours over things and remembers them- drinks them in. i like that quality. so i had this dream where i and several people (a vague group of morphing friends and jmdl-lites) were at someplace and joni was there too. we all were 'stuck' waiting for something to happen- and i sensed my (and others) anxiety and anxiousness about how to keep Joan engaged and occupied while we waited for whatever was to happen to happen. anyway- we were all there, somewhat tongue-tied and nervous, and there was a box or portfolio near by that happened to be filled with artworks done by some of us. i notice a few of my watercolors in there, and their were photos and writings and drawings that i 'knew' belonged to the rest. joni picked up the box and started looking at them and she would say- 'who's is this' and each of us would apologies 'oh that's mine- it's really nothing....' when she would interrupt and make some comment about how nice this color was or this image or this passage and look at each piece carefully. she made us look at each piece carefully- drawing us into our own and each others work. It was a beautiful moment and i think sums up for me what we're about..... through her (our connection with her) we draw each other into our lives. now awake- doug np: brendan perry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 04 Dec 1999 18:39:47 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Mummy's Right Kakki wrote: "It also occurred to me how so many of us have several tapes of her that she probably never meant for public distribution, either! But we never sit back and critique those performances and pick them apart. We love her in any moment." Kakki- YOU are a beacon of light that will never burn or fade away. I for one am glad you did it even though I DO feel those butterflies about her hearing me. I have often fantasized about her walking in and hearing me play her stuff, but in reality it would be easier to play to 100,000 people that I DON"T know then it would be to play for a room full of Joni fans (who know her music inside out) or to the Grand Dame herself. Thank you dear for spreading your magic over the land. Michael P.S. Keep practicing your set for May2000! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 22:52:29 -0500 From: "Beverly" Subject: Re: who thought up the cookbook idea, etc. >Julie wrote: > >>pss. Now that I think about it, if my memory serves me correctly---Bev >>Fishpond was there too dreaming up that cookbook. -Julie, pssss-ed >>out for now Marian wrote: > >Well, if Bev helped dream it up, she never managed to get around to >contributing to it. Ouch! Marian, I can't imagine why you felt it was necessary to point out this fact publicly. It sort of reads like a criticism. However, since I know you're such a nice person, I'm sure you didn't mean it that way. Yet, now that my dereliction of duty has been made public, I feel I must explain, publicly, why I didn't "contribute." First, Julie must have been mistaken, and you are right, I have no recollection, whatsoever, of being involved in a discussion about a cookbook - good idea that it was. Second, I do not cook anything except for the simplest of meals. I doubt Joni, or anyone, would want a recipe in which the main ingredient is a piece of chicken and not much more. Third, I didn't want to use someone else's recipe and put my name on it. Bev ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 01:31:51 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Tim Curry's "Cold Blue Steel" Hello folks, The other day I was hard at work in my studio and listening to a wonderfully insightful CD that was kindly sent to me: the "Rock Master Class" - an interview with Joni and Larry K. in London after the DED sessions. The interview has some wonderful insights into Joni's childhood musical upbringing (the benefits of a well respected and funded music department being a lesson to this country's sorry-ass approach to music education, no doubt being one of the lessons learned). She discusses and plays for us the alchemy of the musical "medalion" within "Paprika Plains" ("I can't hit a wrong note. I mean hit a wrong note twice and it's not wrong...") She is also asked wether or not she will be singing her old tunes when she's seventy - - say "The Last Time I Saw Richard" to which she replies by speaking the lines in a histerically funny "old person's" voice. She is also asked whether she gains any insight from hearing other people covering her songs to which she replies, "Oh yeah sure. Why the other night we went to dinner at Tim "Rocky Horror" Curry's house and he played us a version of 'Cold Blue Steel' that was just fantastic." ....and then this really ripping guitar and heavy drums explodes in with Tim Curry singing in his increadibly melodramatic style - the first thirty seconds or so of the song. I was rolling on the floor laughing and in total awe. I, of course replayed it several times and put it on to a mix tape and played it for my wife. My question to everyone out in Joni land (and of course the folks in Tim Curry land can play too): What album is his version on and where and how can I get it???? I'd love to even just have a good copy of the song itself as done by him. Can we get him to do it on the Joni Tribute album??? Thanks for your help. Julian ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 22:56:53 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: JMDL Cookbook - 2nd edition? Marian wrote: > Since how to publish the book is still up in the air, I wonder about > possibly opening up the book for more contributions, so that people who > didn't get a chance to contribute before can do so. Whenever this book is > finally published, it is planned that several copies of it would be sent to > Joni. Marian, I think this is a brilliant idea! For those out there who may not be familiar with our cookbook project, it wasn't any standard, run-of-the-mill type of mundane deal. It is very entertaining, original, humorous and creative and I just know *that* is why Joni flipped over it. Many people have mentioned to me off-list how amazing it is that she remembered so much about it and our bios. We know that Joni is a good "sponge" when it comes to taking in events around her, but I really felt that this must have made a bigger than usual impact on her. I told someone else offlist that it was *all* she wanted to talk about and I think she would have just taken me off somewhere to a more private place to wax on about it if that had been possible. My feeling is that she was very taken with all the creativity exhibited in this project. I think it would be really great to take it to the next level - an expanded and professionally published version. I'm so glad to see Kate jump in, too, to offer her help. Between Kate, Michael, Jerry and Marian and maybe others putting their heads together, something good should work out. Kakki NP: Terry - Electricity at Ashara's (having to resort to me pre-mastered, preview tapes at this point ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 5 Dec 1999 02:09:59 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Box Set Beauty Kakki sez: << I am absolutely sure she would see nothing but beauty in any "imperfection" and it would touch her all the more. It also occurred to me how so many of us have several tapes of her that she probably never meant for public distribution, either! But we never sit back and critique those performances and pick them apart. We love her in any moment.>> From my experience, when people hear or see themselves all that can be experienced is their imperfections, awkwardness and mistakes. When someone else sees or hears these same recordings (and the work is done with soul and passion and good intent) all they can experience is beauty, insights and a general glow. My feelings from this experience is that tha sense of imperfection is the same entity as the beauty. They are one and the same. Therefore: Joni has a gorgeous box of JOY and fragile human BEAUTY in her hot hands and she has all of your sweaty, calloused, nervous, struggling but perfect souls to thank for it. Julian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 05 Dec 1999 08:18:26 CET From: "Marian Russell" Subject: Re: who thought up the cookbook idea, etc. Bev wrote: > >Julie wrote: > > > >>pss. Now that I think about it, if my memory serves me correctly---Bev > >>Fishpond was there too dreaming up that cookbook. -Julie, pssss-ed > >>out for now > >Marian wrote: > > > >Well, if Bev helped dream it up, she never managed to get around to > >contributing to it. > > >Ouch! Marian, I can't imagine why you felt it was necessary to point out >this fact publicly. It sort of reads like a criticism. I'm really sorry, Bev. What I said does sound critical of you, and I'm sorry. I did not mean to attack you. I felt like Julie was criticizing me for not giving credit where credit is due and I would never ever do that. I would never intentionally leave anyone out. I reacted badly and should be tarred and feathered and banished. Your name should be on the cover page, too, for dreaming up the whole cookbook idea. We should have a credits section, including also TerryM aka Dr. SigMondegreen for helping me deal with all the aggro along the way. The cookbook wasn't really intended to be original recipes authored by us, but a collection of favorite recipes that we want to share with each other, but I respect how you feel and since maybe other people feel like you do - that they don't want to include a recipe that isn't their own original creation - perhaps the bios section could be expanded to include any JMDLer who wanted to contribute a bio. Maybe the cookbook 2nd edition should be instead transformed into a JMDL album with recipes, bios, photos, artwork and poetry. Of course it would cost a lot more to publish, but it would be a very interesting product. I'm really very very sorry, Bev. And I'm sorry, Julie, for taking offence. Marian Vienna NP: River ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 4 Dec 1999 23:21:53 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni hearing our doing her music (MD) Gee, Marcel, wow, :-) You wrote: > My voice was VERY out of shape and all > that. Normally you spend more time mixing the songs tracks into the final > version on the tape than you do recording them but I mixed them all in about > three hours. Having said all that it was still an honor to be included. THEN > when kakki writes that she had given the Box set to Joni Mitchell I had to be > revived. My first thought was that If I had known that Joni herself would > actually get to hear this stuff I would have hired a band , hired a > professional producer, practiced for 6 months and gone into a 24 track > studio. Good Lord, Marcel, I didn't hear one single thing "off" with your songs - I was blown away. It made me think of how I never knew STAS was actually a very damaged final product for almost 30 years till I joined the list. Crosby still weeps over the "wreckage" of that production, but I never thought anything was wrong with it and thought it was deliberately supposed to sound the way it did! It still remains neck in neck with FTR as my favorite Joni album. But I know how it is - I also recorded and performed music in another lifetime and always, always fretted about everything and was never satisfied with my final product. Even when people would effuse over me and compliment me, I would think to myself "oh, but they just don't really know." I would also think "oh, they just don't listen to people like Joni Mitchell, so they don't know what *really good* is." Self-criticism *is* necessary for spurring us on and keeping us practicing and perfecting but we can lose sight sometimes that we may really be a lot better in truth than we might perceive. When I heard the box set the first time, I was immediately so taken with everyones' performances, I really didn't notice anything wrong with anything. But with the expression of some peoples' worry about it, I thought maybe I missed something. So tonight I dug out the "pre-mastered", uncut JoniFest tapes that Paz sent me before the official Box Set was released and have been here listening for a few hours and GEEZ, YOU GUYS, it really is fantastic and very special. I swear it's better than the professional Joni's Jazz Tribute. "Our tribute" has a little of everything in it - it's VIVID, dammit ;-) and also equal parts gorgeous, adorable, heart-pulling, funny, brilliant and fun. Think of some of the artists Joni adores, O.K.? Not a one is a technical perfectionist, not a single one. Kakki NP: Marian - Coyote at Atty Mays ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #285 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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