From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #283 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Friday, December 3 1999 Volume 01 : Number 283 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re: Millennium Countdown [julius.kalcevich@ac.com] Re: thanksgiving in new orleans ["Michael Paz" ] Long and Good :-) [Kleronomos@aol.com] Re: Joni report (long and good ;-D [Scott Price ] Re: Joni report (long and good ;-D [Linda Worster ] Re: Millennium Countdown [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Joni report (long and good ;-D) ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Millennium Countdown [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: More Joni report [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 17:31:01 -0500 From: julius.kalcevich@ac.com Subject: re: Millennium Countdown ****** Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:18:04 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Millennium Countdown 38 J.S. Bach Hey, Bobby Boy, can you come up with a link for Joni to Bach other than the London Symphony connection? ;-) Penny ******** In response to linking Joni to Bach (#38), here are two possible connections...both are very indirect but possibilities all the same... 1. Nina Simone's version of "Love Me or Leave Me" where she melds in virtuoso Bach piano samplings during the bridge of the song. (I cannot find the specifics anywhere, i.e what pieces of Bach's that she is sampling, but she says that it is Bach in her autobiography. She was Juilliard-trained so I hope she knows her Bach.) Nina Simone wrote "Young Gifted and Black" with Lorraine Hansberry, which was recorded by Aretha Franklin. Aretha recorded Carole King's "Natural Woman". Joni sang back-up on James Taylor's version of Carole King's "You Got a Friend". 2. Even though this is contraversial, it has been discussed that "Whiter Shade of Pale" was either inspired or even copied from Bach's choral piece, "Sleepers Awake." (There is more debate on this topic on their website.) Annie Lennox recorded "White Shade of Pale" on Medusa, where she also sung Neil Young's "Don't Let It Get you Down". Then Neil Young to Joni should be easy... That's for the opportunity for temporary delurking- Julius (in Toronto) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 16:03:59 -0600 From: "Michael Paz" Subject: Re: thanksgiving in new orleans - ----- Original Message ----- From: patrick leader Subject: thanksgiving in new orleans > folks, > > i have been just too crazed to contribute much to the list lately, but i had > to take a moment to publicly thank michael paz for being such a great host, > for my sister and i, in new orleans. I actually could have done a much better job, but the combination of flu and my family being in from Honduras prevented me from showing Patrick and Karen the darker side of New Orleans. > > michael took me to lunch at maninda's, where i had my first po-boy and ate > the best onion rings i've ever had off of michael's plate. then i went and > picked up karen at the airport (following michael through the backstreets of > n.o. to avoid traffic) karen and i went into town to check in, then to the > quarter for an amazing meal at NOLA, adn extremely inventive new restaurant. It is actually Mandina's which is a New Orleans Mid City tradition. NOLA is the second incarnation of the ever popular Emeril Lagasse. NOLA is my favorite of all his restaurants in town. > > thanksgiving at chez paz was sublime, incredible food, incredible company > (freda is as wonderful as michael) and great music throughout the night. > one of michael's performer friends, denise marie, sang a bit, she did a song > that billie sings (though i've not heard billie's version) called 'i'm > having my self a time', as well as dylan's 'buckets of rain'. karen and i > made a special point of seeing denise play out on friday. wonderful. I wish there had been more time for music and unfortunatly a rather close family friend was somewhat of a pain in the ass and broke up what promised to be an extended Joni Jam, but ah well. Denise is great and a good friend. Her CD is great. I am hoping she will work something up for the Joni Tribute show in May. Which reminds me I hope you can work Memorial Day in New Orleans into your busy schedule next year. Thanks for the nice comments and it was great to have you folks in my home. Love Michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 18:00:34 EST From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: The Joni Mitchell Companion - UK availability "Paul Castle" wrote: >Stacey - Do you know if there is a UK co-edition >at the same time? I'd love to be able to get hold of >this before the Christmas holiday, too. Ive just checked my trade info and this is definitely available now as an import edition, and is in stock at one of my friendly book wholesalers at £12.99 (unless their stock database lies - which it hasn't done lately). Most independent booksellers (and a few of the biggies) should be able to get you a copy overnight. Quote ISBN 0028650271 The Joni Mitchell companion: Four decades of commentary By Stacy Luftig. Schirmer, Aug 1999, Published in USA. 275pp, 286 x 235mm, Photographs PAPERBACK UK £12.99 0028650271 Hope you enjoy it David Mascall (My partner can quote you for mail order at Bkparlour@aol.com). ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 18:40:30 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Kakki meets Joni... Next to Wally's weekend, this is the most exciting Joni encounter I've read. I'm struck by how warm and personable Joni is in these instances. The press paints her as something of a cross between Norma Desmond and Attilla the Hun. Can't wait for the special edition CD, and can't wait for Joni to move to Jersey. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 19:33:47 EST From: Kleronomos@aol.com Subject: Long and Good :-) I want to add my thanks for the various accounts of your evening with Joni, and for representing the listers to her. It was a special treat to find that in my mailbox this evening! If you remember more... don't forget us! We'd love to hear it! Dan <--- lefty in a righty world NP: not a blessed thing ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 17:43:22 -0800 From: Scott Price Subject: Re: Joni report (long and good ;-D Kakki, Andy, Phyliss, et al, How wonderful it was to read of your special night at Joni's painting exhibition. Thanks for sharing your stories with all of us. Even though I'm a only minor contributor to the list I somehow feel a sense of validation after reading how Joni effused over the JMDL. She may not have immediately embraced the internet, but she definitely recognizes and appreciates what goes on here in cyberspace between all the individuals who admire her work. Scott ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Dec 1999 21:43:49 -0500 From: Linda Worster Subject: Re: Joni report (long and good ;-D Scott wrote: > >Kakki, Andy, Phyliss, et al, > >How wonderful it was to read of your special night at Joni's painting >exhibition. Thanks for sharing your stories with all of us. Even though I'm >a only minor contributor to the list I somehow feel a sense of validation >after reading how Joni effused over the JMDL. She may not have immediately >embraced the internet, but she definitely recognizes and appreciates what >goes on here in cyberspace between all the individuals who admire her work. Scott- Thanks for putting this so well. Me too. Tears came to my eyes at times as I read the posts from all of you who were with our Joan last night. And the feeling is one of thankfulness that SHE knows we are out here loving her art. I'm glad she feels our support and love. As Pat said... we've become part of HER life now... WOW... what a world... Thank you all for telling us about last night. Linda ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:52:25 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Millennium Countdown Julius emerges from the shadows to link: << In response to linking Joni to Bach (#38), here are two possible connections...both are very indirect but possibilities all the same... >> Nice work, detective Julius! I was going to go: Sugarloaf played a medley of Bach and Chest Fever by Robbie Robertson, and of course linking The Band & Joni is a no-brainer... As for the others that remain unlinked: 39 Tom Petty - Sings (if you want to call it that) on "Dancin' Clown"    35 Paul McCartney- I thought we already did him, but he plays bass on JT's "Carolina In My Mind"...    34 Miles Davis - played a classic version of "Summertime"    33 The Doors Probably some really cool links, I'm gonna go with their performing Kurt Weill's "Alabama Song" on their debut, which was also covered by Richard Butler on the Weill tribute "Lost In The Stars", which features Tom Waits, Todd Rundgren, Sting, and some others that we've already linked.    32 Neil Young Lots of them, I'll go with Neil's harmonica on "Furry"   31 Buddy Holly Another Band link, The Band does a cover of "Not Fade Away" on the Holly trib disc of the same name. So once again, you see, it always comes "Bach" to Joni! :~) Bobby Baby NP: Tom Petty, "echo" (doing some REAL vocal work here) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 3 Dec 1999 00:22:47 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Joni report (long and good ;-D) Kakki, what a moving, touching story!!! I was especially excited by your description of the new album's art & music: <> I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR IT next Valentine's Day! Meanwhile I'd love to hear more about Joni's latest paintings. BTW, anyone notice how much more VIVID her snow-landscape appears in the PWWAM (during Facelift) than it does on the TTT sleeve? E.T. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 22:35:56 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: More Joni report I think the shock is just starting to set in ;-) My assistant at work asked me this afternoon if my feet had touched down yet and I said that actually they were just starting to take off! It's kind of a delayed reaction. Plus, some things happened at work today to really set me off further on another planet. One of the attorneys in my office was also there last night and we spent a good deal of today having a most amazing series of conversations about Joni. He was a lucky guy who got to go to the dinner party with Joni last night. His story is another book in itself, not so much about Joni, but rather, about the surprising and startling effect she had on him. I need to rest and reflect on this one a bit before I write more about it. I'm so glad to have you all here to share our experiences with. Debra asked: > Was anyone checking who came in? Did she seem to have any security around her? > How many people were in the room? She sounds amazingly gracious. Were the > paintings for sale? There was absolutely no apparent security and no one checked anyone coming in. But she did have her best friends Shel and Val surrounding her a good part of the time, with their arms around her most of the night. It was really touching to watch them - like they were protectively cuddling the most beloved person in their lives. I would say there were less than 100 people in the space. The paintings are not for sale. LACE is not a commercial gallery, but rather, an artists' "space" which holds many avant garde and cutting edge events. Like Doug expressed a few days ago, I did learn it was quite unusual for Joni to be exhibited there and I will tell more about that in my report about the attorney from my office, who used to be an art director in New York and who is a close friend of Amy Adler, the artist who curated Joni's event. Deb Messling wrote: >I'm struck by how warm and personable Joni is in these instances. The >press paints her as something of a cross between Norma Desmond and Attilla >the Hun. My impression of Joni is that she is a little bit of everything - I think she just puts it all out there. She definitely does have a certain bearing that I can see may be misinterpreted by the press or others who don't look too deep. Early in the evening she did seem somewhat serious and regal. But later on, out in the back smoking with her friends, she completely opened up and was talking about many personal subjects openly. She was very vulnerable and real. Maybe she, like many, puts up a little armor sometimes to shield her soft sensitivities. E.T. wrote: >I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR IT next Valentine's Day! Although some were saying the release date was Feb. 14th - Valentine's Day, Robbie told us it was coming out on Feb. 8th. I have to again express how unbelievable miraculous this album is. I know that some in the past expressed some disappointment that she was going to do cover songs rather than come up with new material. I'm happy to tell you that this project is over-the-top original in all aspects. So many artists have been doing these standards albums the last few years and most I've heard were really wonderful, but I assure you that this is something else and it has to be the Grand-daddy/mommy ;-) of all standards albums ever. It's HUGE. >Meanwhile I'd love to hear more about Joni's latest paintings. >BTW, anyone notice how much more VIVID her snow-landscape appears in the >PWWAM (during Facelift) than it does on the TTT sleeve? Eric, I think you are going to flip over them! And they did have the snow-landscape painting there last night. It is really amazing and extremely VIVID. I did not get to see it so up close at the tapings and was glad to really get up next to it last night. Scott wrote: >Even though I'm only a minor contributor to the list I somehow feel a sense of validation >after reading how Joni effused over the JMDL. She may not have immediately >embraced the internet, but she definitely recognizes and appreciates what >goes on here in cyberspace between all the individuals who admire her work I also felt this validation for all of us here. Any small doubts I may have had are all completely erased now. Her friends know us and she knows us and the feeling I got was that we are very much considered as this little special group that is a recognized and regarded part of her "family." When I handed her the Box Set, I felt a little insecure, like I had to do a good pitch to her so that she'd be sure and listen to it. So there I was like a little kid going "It's really good, Joni, the people are *really* good on it." She immediately exclaimed to me "oh, yeahhhh, oh yeahhhh, I *know* they are good!!" I wish I could convey her tone and attitude better in email, but trust me, she really meant it. Not only was she kind, open and warm to me, but so were her friends, and Robbie went out of his way to give us the special treatment once again. Sigh.....;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 23:44:02 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Millennium Countdown Bobby Baby, <<35 Paul McCartney- I thought we already did him, but he plays bass on JT's "Carolina In My Mind"...>> I just went back to check fer sure. Nope! But I do think the McCartney link to JT was used for another artist tying them to Joni. Michael Jackson maybe? At any rate, all you guys are really, really good at this! Very impressive! Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Dec 1999 23:30:59 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: More Joni report What a wonderful series of reports from you guys! It's like Chrismas came early this year on the JMDL! I'm so happy each of you had such a special time that you'll NEVER forget. I'm happy for Joni praising the cookbook that Marian and others put so much effort into. I'm happy for each of the listers that knows Joni has read their bio and Jonified recipe title. I'm happy for all the fabulous talents that got onto the Jonifest boxset that Joan now has in her possession. I'm happy to hear that the JMDL has a special place in Joni's heart. And I'm thrilled we all had Kakki, Phyliss, Andy, Pat, and Laura represent the JMDL members to Joni in such a respectful, warm, and real way. Just wonderful all the way around!! I would be very curious about hearing some of the thoughts of those on the boxset, how they feel about Joni listening to them, rather than vice versa. Also another quick question is if anyone happened to ask Joni about La Scala or a tour after the standards album's release? Again, fabulous reports guys! Thank you all so much! Peace Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #283 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?