From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #281 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, December 2 1999 Volume 01 : Number 281 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Grace Of My Heart (SJC) ["Raffaele Malanga" ] RE: Joni's VIVID story from PWWAM - VERY LOOOONG ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Re: Jason's page and DED [Jason Maloney ] Re: Grace Of My Heart (SJC) [Jason Maloney ] RE: Joni's VIVID story from PWWAM - VERY LOOOONG [Jamie Zubairi ] re: Joni at City Island [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] 1968 Joni concert recording [James Elliott Benjamin ] Re: Christmas music - yet another list (SJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Joni in City Island, NY ["Catherine McKay" ] RE: Top Canadians of the millenium ["Catherine McKay" ] Millennium Countdown [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: Millennium Countdown [Mark Domyancich ] The Joni Mitchell Companion [Stacey4882@aol.com] LACE tonight [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: Tuning Article and Toshi Reagon [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: The Joni Mitchell Companion [SCJoniGuy@aol.com] Re: Christmas songs [FMYFL@aol.com] Paintings and music with Joni ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 02:35:19 PST From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: Grace Of My Heart (SJC) Hello Jason, happy to 'meet' another UK lister. >Can anyone who has the soundtrack tell me which songs featured in the >movie are actually included? Though I am now compelled to search out >the >CD anyway, it would be helpful to know which ones made it onto the >album. I believe that all the songs performed in the movie Grace of my Heart made it onto the album. I saw the film a couple of years ago, I pretty much liked it and got the CD. If you can't find it, send me a message and I'll copy it to you. Raffaele (in London) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 02:38:49 PST From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: RE: Joni's VIVID story from PWWAM - VERY LOOOONG >Mariana from Argentina complains.. >>Am I the only Lister who's never seen Joni live? I want to see her >>so >>badly! >> >No, there are two of us. Just you and me it seems ! >Martin. In London. Here is another one, I'm afraid... And it makes three. Raffaele (in London) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 02:47:31 PST From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: "Grinch/Scrooge-like" >>Bob wrote: >>So anyway, I'll try to be less "Grinch/Scrooge-like"...hopefully >>the >> >folks >>that I've shared Joni music with would consider me a generous >>person. >Amen to that, Bob!! As a grateful recipient of music from your Joni > >treasure >chest, "Grinch/Scrooge-like" would be the last term I'd use to >describe >the >South Carolina Joni Guy. >Your Aussie mate, >John. I'm with you John. Bob IS a generous person. It goes beyond my English-American-slang-language knowledge what "Grinch/Scrooge" really is, but it doesn't sound nice, does it? Raffaele (in London) ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:29:43 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Jason's page and DED evian wrote: > My dear listers, > You all must check out Jason Maloney's web page, not only for his > intricate lists his picks for top albums and singles for the 90's, but > also for his WONDERFUL thoughts on DED... You have said everything I > have wanted to say, but never have seemed to articulate. Well done > Jase! Thanks for the plug, Evian! :-) Glad you liked the site. It's only been up for a week, but I'm adding things on an almost-daily basis. Jason. The Slipstream....A Guide To Life In The Slow Lane : http://freespace.virgin.net/jason.maloney/index1.htm ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:27:19 +0000 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: Grace Of My Heart (SJC) Hello Raffaele, Pleased to meet you also. I've been having one of my bouts of lurkdom recently, which happens quite often when I don't feel well enough to post to the list. A belated "welcome to the JMDL!" :-) Thanks for the GOMH info, and the very kind offer. I shall have a look for the CD, but I know where to come if I can't find it :-) Best wishes, Jason. The Slipstream.....A Guide To Life In The Slow Lane : http://freespace.virgin.net/jason.maloney/index1.htm Raffaele Malanga wrote: > Hello Jason, > happy to 'meet' another UK lister. > > I believe that all the songs performed in the movie Grace of my Heart made > it onto the album. I saw the film a couple of years ago, I pretty much liked > it and got the CD. If you can't find it, send me a message and I'll copy it > to you. > > Raffaele (in London) > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:57:25 -0000 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: RE: Joni's VIVID story from PWWAM - VERY LOOOONG Mariana from Argentina complains.. > Am I the only Lister who's never seen Joni live? I want to see her so badly! > No, there are two of us. Just you and me it seems ! Martin. In London. And me! Along with Raffaele that makes 4! Jamie Zubairi I thought I saw her walking down the street in South Kensington about the time of TI (which incidentally was where she would have been at the time, promoting it). A middle-class, middle aged blonde woman in shades looking very cool. It wasn't. It was just a dream all of us had. JAZ ------------------------------ Date: 1 Dec 99 05:52:09 PST From: Frances Liccione Subject: re: Joni at City Island The station that was playing Joni Mitchell, WFUV, is a WONDERFUL station that is based right here in New York from Fordham University in the Bronx. For those of you who may not know, they are located at 90.7 FM on the dial and their website is www.wfuv.org. You will find lots of great stuff there...they are always doing "theme" days, and they NEVER forget Joni on her birthday. On that day they always do a day-long tribute to her music. You will also find them playing full albums straight through (usually in the evenings) and have often selected her albums. I think the last ones I can remember them playing were Hejira and Court and Spark. Also, for those of you who live in New York, if you become a member of the station for a small fee (they are publicly funded) one of the perks that you will receive is eligibility to receive free concert tickets once a month. All you have to do is call up their "listener line", hear the selections, give your name, and that's that. One of the many things they are connected with is "Sessions at West 54th" and you can get in to their live performances that way. I used to work at WFUV last year for two months. I started as a volunteer during their fund drive and stayed on because I liked it so much there and the people were so great. It is because of one of their DJ's, Darren DeVivo, that my dream of seeing Joni live came true...he gave me tickets around four years ago (it was like a radio call-in contest type of thing) to the taping of CBS This Morning where Joni was doing a special performance/interview...I also managed to work my way into the backstage "reception" after the taping and got to meet her, talk to her, I even have a great photo of her with her arm around me...but that's another story. So, when anyone mentions WFUV, I can't help but put my two cents in and encourage people to tune in...they are a fabulous group of people who put out magnificent music...check them out. Frances ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 09:53:04 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: re: Joni at City Island Frances said: <> Thanks Frances...I looked at the site since my buddy Emily shirked her homework (just kidding, em) and here's what they said: Blue #7 C&S #27 Hejira # 65 LOTC # 71 An awesome list by the way...anyone who wanted to compile a collection of classic rock and jazz could do worse than use this list as a guide. Now Frances, get on with your "I met Joni story"...;~) Bob NP: The Cure, "One Hundred Years" (which is how long this dud album of theirs Pornography seems to drag on)... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 11:53:17 -0500 From: James Elliott Benjamin Subject: 1968 Joni concert recording Does anyone know anything about (or anyone else have) the recording of a Joni performance made into a CD called "By the Banks of the River Charles?" I just found it at a second-hand CD store; it says "recorded live from 'Club 47', Cambridge, MA, Jan. 1968," and it includes four unreleased songs—Gift of the Magi, Vali, Come to the Sunshine, and The Way It Is. I couldn't find any mention of it on the Joni Mitchell web page "rarities" section (and the only one of these titles included there is Gift of The Magi). Thanks— jamesben@mindspring.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:40:03 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: "Grinch/Scrooge-like" dear raffaele, scrooge is the main character in a xmas carol by charles dickens and the grinch is a xmas-hating cartoon character. wallyk - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Raffaele Malanga Para: ; CC: Enviado: Miércoles 1 de Diciembre de 1999 07:47 Asunto: Re: "Grinch/Scrooge-like" > I'm with you John. Bob IS a generous person. It goes beyond my > English-American-slang-language knowledge what "Grinch/Scrooge" really is, > but it doesn't sound nice, does it? > > Raffaele (in London) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 17:55:52 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Christmas music - yet another list (SJC) Anne asked: >Lullay Lully (Barbara Higbie - does anyone have the lyrics to this?) Years ago, my Dad had a recording of Christmas songs (unusual ones) sung by a group of nuns. I remember this one in particular because the melody is so beautiful. I believe it's meant to be Mary singing a lullaby to the baby Jesus. There are more verses, but this is what I remember: Refrain: Lullay, lullay, thou little tiny child Bye-bye lullay lullay Lullay, lullay, thou little tiny child Bye-bye lullay, lullay Verse: Herod the king, in his raging, hath he decreed this day, his men of might, in his own sight, all children young to slay. Needless to say, not a very pleasant verse, but this is the one I remember. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 12:58:14 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: 1968 Joni concert recording In a message dated Wed, 1 Dec 1999 11:46:12 AM Eastern Standard Time, James Elliott Benjamin writes: > Does anyone know anything about (or anyone else have) the recording of a Joni > performance made into a CD called "By the Banks of the River Charles?" I just > found it at a second-hand CD store; it says "recorded live from 'Club 47', > Cambridge, MA, Jan. 1968," and it includes four unreleased songs—Gift of the > Magi, Vali, Come to the Sunshine, and The Way It Is.>> James, I just got a copy of this last week. The quality of the recording is very good. The entire set list is as follows: Cactus Tree Night In The City The Gift of The Magi (really pretty I think) I Had a King Morning Morgantown Ballerina Valerie (I think this is what you were referring to as "Vali") Song To A Seagull Both Sides Now Conversation Come to the Sunshine (also very nice) Chelsea Morning The Pirates of Penance (not a lot of recordings of this tune, so it's good to hear it) The Way it is (Not the Bruce Hornsby tune, this was written for a Canadian TV show but they didn't use it. And you can see why when you hear it, a very cumbersome tune with almost unsingable intervals. It does not rest easy on the ear). The Dawntreader And, as always, I'm glad to dupe this one for whoever wants it...send a blank 90 min. cassete (if you're still into those things ;~D) or a blank 74-min CD (make sure it says "Music" or "Audio" on it, and send along with an SASE to: Bob Muller 309 West Prentiss Ave. Greenville, SC 29605 (Where the spirit of giving lives on!) :~) Of course, if you have Joni stuff to trade, that'd be great...after all, how do you think I GET all this cool stuff in the first place? Bob NP: The Cure "Pictures of You" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 17:30:31 +0000 From: Martin Giles Subject: Christmas songs Well, I'm an athiest, (so shoot me, as Colin would say!) So I'm not moved by any Christamas carols, although I did used to enjoy trying to sing Ding Dong Merrily On High for the Glor or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or or ororia bit! Most pop Christmas songs pass me by for the same reasons as the carols do, particularly recently as it has become another area to exploit commercially. Bah. Humbug. Christmas for me is about getting together with family, and also perhaps with friends that I normally don't get to see for the rest of the year. There are two or three Joni songs that refer to Christmas and so they will do me as my choices.. River Chinese Cafe Facelift atb, Martin. In London. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 19:11:58 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Joni in City Island, NY Emily said: >we started talking >and he explained that it wasn't a CD playing, but this >great radio station, WFUV, which is fordham university's >public radio. they have this great program "city folk" >and apparently play joni all the time. what's annoying >is that i've tried to tune in many times (90.7 FM) but >in brooklyn i just can't get it <> >i think it's so cool to play entire >albums on the radio! There used to be a lot of radio stations that played *different* kinds of music. That used to be pretty standard with FM stations. Here in Toronto, it was CHUM-FM that played all the album music and in the 60s and 70s, that's where you would hear people like Joni, and Steeleye Span, Frank Zappa and anyone else who wasn't mainstream or Top 10 - plus you'd hear whole albums, or bits of them, rather than the usual "hits" played elsewhere. Unfortunately, it seems most FM stations have gone to the "formula music/girly guile" type of music, or adult contemporary. There are a few stations around that play alternative-rock music and even though I don't listen to that kind of music all that often, it doesn't seem to have the eclectic range some of the old FM stations used to have. It seems more big-business driven than the old FM programs. Here in Toronto, one place where you hear something beyond the usual formula music is the University of Toronto's station (I think it's CIUT) but similar to your experience with Fordham, they don't seem to have the broadcast range or bandwidth or whatever you call it - it's hard to listen to once you're out of the city. Maybe because universities don't have the clout or the money to get the broader signals? And there are some stations around that do play different types of music, but not all the time. For example CBC Radio has jazz programs and other programs that play a broad range of music that you probably wouldn't hear anywhere else, but apart from that, you can go "up and down the dial, mercenary style" and hear the same thing everywhere. >one tiny irritance, however: the store owner said the same >old thing to me that i have to say i'm getting tired of >hearing, "how did someone your age get into joni mitchell?" >i'm 26 and frankly, i think that's kind of an inane question >to ask...but i hear it all the time! i usually give my >standard "she's such a great musician" answer but i think >this question must stem from so many people thinking of >JM only as a '60's folk singer...also, i was taught that >it's kind of rude to mention ANYONE'S age to them in terms >of making assumptions....oh well... You're right. It is rude. It also doesn't make a lot of sense. It's kind of like suggesting that anyone under the age of 70 shouldn't know about Billie Holiday. I'm sure she has been dead longer than most of us have been alive. Of course, ironically, most white people over 70 probably wouldn't know who she was either... Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 19:40:47 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: Top Canadians of the millenium Wally said: >i've just voted for joni [that wasn't difficult. glenn gould spoiled >his >recordings by humming along as he played and that makes me VERY >NERVOUS]. Well, you're right. They never could get him to shut up. He was always mumbling and humming as he played. Asking him to stop didn't work, so they tried all kinds of techniques by placing mikes and muffling equipment in different places while they were recording, but you can still hear him. It must have been straaaange seeing him perform live! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 01 Dec 1999 15:28:43 -0500 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni in City Island, NY Catherine McKay wrote: > > > There used to be a lot of radio stations that played *different* kinds of > music. That used to be pretty standard with FM stations. Here in Toronto, > it was CHUM-FM that played all the album music and in the 60s and 70s, > that's where you would hear people like Joni, and Steeleye Span, Frank Zappa > and anyone else who wasn't mainstream or Top 10 - plus you'd hear whole > albums, or bits of them, rather than the usual "hits" played elsewhere. So right, Catherine. That was when "alternative" meant what it wasn't, not what it was. I used to listen to CHUM-FM in Buffalo, and summers in Crystal Beach just to hear them play Joni. I first heard her on CHUM-FM singing Night In the City. It blew me away right from the start, and I had to go to Toronto to get the album. 30 or more years later, here I am, still lovin' Joni. Jerry np: Dave Matthews Band - Listener Supported ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 14:18:04 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Millennium Countdown 39 Tom Petty    38 J.S. Bach    37 Jackson Browne    36 Janis Joplin    35 Paul McCartney    34 Miles Davis    33 The Doors    32 Neil Young    31 Buddy Holly Hey, Bobby Boy, can you come up with a link for Joni to Bach other than the London Symphony connection? ;-) Penny PS I didn't realize when I posted this the first time, that I'd be sending in the whole countdown. So this time there is only 9 artists listed to get on pace for the last three installments....30-21, 20-11, and finally 10-#1.   :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:37:24 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Millennium Countdown I'm terrible at these things but I'll give it a shot. >37 Jackson Browne performed with Joni at the Paris Theatre in 1972. >36 Janis Joplin Performed Summertime and Joni did as well at ADITG. > 32 Neil Young Wrote Sweet Joni (about Joni). ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | ICQ: 21619464 | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 18:22:13 EST From: Stacey4882@aol.com Subject: The Joni Mitchell Companion Hello everyone, The word from my publisher at Schirmer Books is that The Joni Mitchell Companion is due to hit the stores on December 15th! You'll recognize a lot of the articles from Les and Wally's web sites, but there are also a few surprises. I look forward to hearing your feedback once it comes out. (Don't be shy, now.) Happy holidays to all, Stacey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 16:01:08 -0800 (PST) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: LACE tonight Hope all you SoCal JMDLers attending Joni's exibit at LACE tonight have a most excellent time. Hope the Joan shows!.....and if she does, relax and enjoy. ;-) Peace Penny :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: Grace dies when it becomes us verses them......Philip Yancey ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 20:46:59 EST From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Tuning Article and Toshi Reagon a very cool article on tunings appears in the current acoustic guitar magazene. it mentions joni, but focuses on bruce cockburn. it goes way past me, but you techies might be able to understand it. the same edition has a nice article on toshi reagon and her concerts at the fez in nyc. a very cool article as well. i might add that i was able to follow a little article called 'melodic solos up the neck' that focused on lead runs in the key of A. basicall, how to make scales into music. that i could follow. but the tuning thang was out of my league. too many numbers and letters. reminds me of algebra when i used to try and translate letters in to numerical values. failed the class twice. pat ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 21:17:01 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: The Joni Mitchell Companion In a message dated 12/1/99 5:27:13 PM US Central Standard Time, Stacey4882@aol.com writes: << The word from my publisher at Schirmer Books is that The Joni Mitchell Companion is due to hit the stores on December 15th! >> Synchronicity, Stacey! I was just thinking about your book today, I swear to Goddess! Glad to hear I have something to put under the tree for ME this year! Thanks for your efforts in putting this out! Bob NP: XTC, "Playground" (A Rocking selection from the AV2 Demos) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:13:11 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Christmas songs Martin writes: << There are two or three Joni songs that refer to Christmas and so they will do me as my choices.. River Chinese Cafe Facelift >> I also like on "Tax Free" where Joni sings " Oh come let us adore---ME!" Jimmy np Jewel " Joy - A Holiday Collection"...............nice CD ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 1999 22:48:11 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Paintings and music with Joni Hi all, I'm just going to do a quick note for now with a more detailed report later. We've (Phyliss, Lindsay, Pat & Andy) had an incredible night and have so many wonderful things to report. Right now we are famished an waiting for a let night pizza delivery but I promise to tell all at length in a bit. We are all very blessed. Wowowowowow!! ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #281 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?