From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #275 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Friday, November 26 1999 Volume 01 : Number 275 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- PWWAM & Thanks ["Mark or Travis" ] harvest moon now JC [Vince Lavieri ] Re: PWWAM & Thanks ["Catherine McKay" ] (no subject) [Dmascall@aol.com] Heeelllp! Vonda vandalises Joni gem! (Both Sides Now) [Dmascall@aol.co] Joni's VIVID story from PWWAM - VERY LOOOONG ["Catherine McKay" ] Freebo & John Hall Update! ["Peter Holmstedt" ] RE: PWWAM & Thanks ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Joni's VIVID story from PWWAM - VERY LOOOONG ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: PWWAM & Thanks Tonight I watched my DVD of Painting With Words & Music for the first time. I saw the pay per view when it first aired but tonight was the first time since I got the DVD that I had a chance to sit down & give it my undivided attention. Travis is at work and I don't have to work tomorrow so it seemed to be the perfect thing for me to do for myself tonight. After seeing Joni at the Gorge it struck me what a difference there seemed to be in her demeanor in this intimate setting. She smiled a lot and seemed much more at ease. Not that Joni can't play to a large crowd. But she seems much more comfortable in a more intimate setting. It was almost as if she had created an atmosphere that was akin to those coffee houses she played in the beginning of her career. All of this video is wonderful but I was particularly struck by her performance of Amelia. I was reminded of her comments about recording the album Blue. She said that she felt like the cellophane on a pack of cigarettes, her feelings were so close to the surface and so clearly evident. She looked like that when she was singing Amelia. It struck me that not only is she a creative genius, she is also an incredibly gifted performer. Like a great actress she opens herself up and reveals her soul. She further illuminates her already luminous creations every time she performs them. This must have been what Pat Boland saw in that coffee house all those years ago. It's easy to see why you were bowled over by her, Pat, and easy to see why it's so easy to fall hook, line & sinker for Joni Mitchell. Part of the pleasure I got from watching PWWAM tonight was seeing a radiant Wally Breese behind Joni, smiling & looking like he had reached Nirvana. I have many things in my life to be thankful for, not the least of them being the friends I have made here in JMDL-land. The list has brought some wonderful people, music and experiences into my life. I certainly thank Les for creating & maintaining the discussion list but I also have to thank Wally. His beautiful homepage was the beginning of it all. We're all here because of Joni & because of Wally's devotion to Joni's art. So on Thanksgiving Day 1999 here in good old God-Save-America, I give thanks for all of you wonderful people out there in Joni-land and especially for Les Irvin and Wally Breese. Here's wishing all American listers a wonderful holiday and to all of you all over this little garden planet, I am grateful that you all are a part of my life. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 11:39:30 -0500 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: harvest moon now JC This whole thread has me confused: isn't Harvest Moon a marvelous album by Neil Young? And a blessed Thanksgiving to Wally Breese, Les Irvin, and all the JMDL pioneers who had this thing all ready for me to join a year ago (after seeing Joni in Chicago) and all the JMDLers who have become my cyber family and my second home, a place that I go to daily for something worthwhile and meaningful. There is no way that I list everyone who has made a special contribution to my year in the JMDL as I would invariably leave someone out (but MG, thanks for cds, Kate in Colorado, how are you, Bob, learn to love Handel's Messiah) but let me share one magical thing about the JMDL that shows the grace that is here: this will perhaps embarrass Marcel, but Janis is singing "Try" write now and that makes me think it will be alright: Marcel and I really had some words last spring and enough said about that. It was bitter, if anyone remembers. The passage of a little time... the fact we both stayed on the JMDL and keep on posting and learning more about each other... the commonality, the community that we have in the music of Joni Mitchell which appeals to our better selves... and then I posted a little tidbit about Janis Joplin (the other love of my life) and he emailed me privately back and we had this whole new connection and his sharing some things privately with me about Janis that were deeply moving and incredible to me... one of the things that I am most thankful for today as I play my new boxed set (Box of Pearls) is the sharing that Marcel did with me this fall. Who would have thought that he and I would ever talk to each other after last spring? Time keeps moving on, Janis says, but friends don't always pass away, sometimes we suddenly see the friend in a person where we hadn't looked before. I offer that if there is anyone else in here who really can't understand how that some other person, whoever it is, can possibly be a Joni fan, or what that person is about, give it time and keep listening and learning... somewhere in our vast Joni connectedness, in time, that one turn of the kaleidoscope will happen when suddenly you see the pattern that has been hidden! And then you say, I see it, this is what we share, this is where we connect! Quick judgments formed in moments of passionate exchanges of postings aren't always Truth. What I am writing is not something that maybe can be called the truth, I wouldn't go that far, I wouldn't heavy up on anybody like that ... Thanks Wally B and Les, thanks to our three JMDL trinity of goddesses in human form, Catgirl, Kakki, and Ashara, thanks to MC DJ Bob of SC, thanks to everyone who has been, is, and will be my JMDL friend, thanks to Marcel for the piece of my heart that you touched with sharing about the Kosmic Blues, thanks to the JoniFest people who posted their pictures and recorded their music so those of us who couldn't be there could touch you in spirit in those ways, thanks to those who I am naming in my heart as I am so afraid of listing names and forgetting someone who has been special to me this last year, (but I must say to Kate, we have a picnic lunch date with the Lane Tech bag coming up someday), thanks to all of you who have made this the only place that I know of anywhere where people can be gay or straight or anywhere in between and it just doesn't matter, thanks to the JMDL which practices more acceptance than the gay forums that I belong to, more love than than the church forums that I belong to, more community with our far-flung family than in any international chat room, and more joy than can be contained in any bandwidth, thanks to Joni... for doing what she does that inspires all this in us... and to you too, Janis. (the Rev) Vince np: Janis, "Maybe" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 18:23:49 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: PWWAM & Thanks Mark says: >Part of the pleasure I got from watching PWWAM tonight was seeing a >radiant Wally Breese behind Joni, smiling & looking like he had >reached Nirvana. I didn't realize you could see Wally. Where was he sitting and do you remember what songs Joni was singing when Wally could be seen? Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:40:09 EST From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: (no subject) > Tony.Wyer@wyer.force9.co.uk> wrote on the Subject: Jan Garbarek >Have always held the view that Larry Klein wrecked Joni's career . >She should have turned to the likes of Manfred Eicher and used Garbarek's >group consisting of JG, Rainer Bruninghaus (piano), Eberhard Weber (bass), >Nana Vasconcelos (percussion) to show again how it can be done. How about nominations for an all-European Joni band? Jan Garbarek would definitely get my vote for Saxist. How about Danny Thompson on bass? David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:40:08 EST From: Dmascall@aol.com Subject: Heeelllp! Vonda vandalises Joni gem! (Both Sides Now) Fortunately I missed this one - I can only give thanks for my deliverance. One Vonda Shepherd cover was on such a different planet from the original it took many months and an issue of "never mind the buzzcocks" before it sunk into my fuddled brain that it WAS a cover. Anyone for a definition of the verb "to Vonda"? - or even planet Vonda? ( Vonda becomes Honda on the AOL spellchecker, for anyone who wants to know. Apologies to all Vondaphiles. David Mascall ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:12:49 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Joni's VIVID story from PWWAM - VERY LOOOONG A while ago, I offered to transcribe Joni's monologue from "Painting with Words and Music". I must have been out of my mind. There were a couple of words I couldn't make out - if anyone knows what they are, you know what to do. Does anyone have any idea what the deal was with the sandbags in North Dakota is supposed to be? Anyway, here it is: VIVID Joni Mitchell, from PWWAM [Joni tells this story just before she sings “Woodstock”.] Sometime after the completion of this song [“Woodstock”], I moved back to Canada. Everybody got kind of fed up with LA. Things began to change. The summer of love was over, heavy drugs were setting in, and flower power was starting to wilt. And Graham moved back to San Francisco, and Crosby moved to Marin. Neil Young and our manager, Eliot, took a ranch outside of San Francisco, and I took Highway 101 as far as it would take me into the Canadian backbush. And while I was building a little house there – kind of a stone reform school along Thoreau-ian philosophy: two chairs for company and three for society – I took a room in a hotel called Lord Jim’s Lodge. And it was off-season at the time, and I didn’t think there was anybody there but myself. And I was knitting a poncho cuz I’d quit smoking and so, to keep my hands busy, I was knitting. And there was all this wool that I’d dragged home from all around the world, and it was spread all around the room. This was a fishing lodge, where people came and there was no radio, there was no television. People just got up early and went out fishing, and came home, went to bed early, and got up and went fishing. But, like I say, it was off-season, so I was sitting up in bed and I’d finished the back of the poncho, which was all grey stripes and I couldn’t purl, I could only knit, so it looked like chain-mail. But there were all these stripes of drab, smoggy, yellowish greys and puce-ish greys, and it was finished and hanging over the back of the chair. And all around the room were all these what I thought were vivid colours – colours of the stone, the colours of the flowers, the colours of the sunset and the water. I was knitting sometimes three strands at a time – a boucle with a metallic. So there I was. I was sitting up in bed. I was naked from the waist up and the needles were clicking. Well, the room had two doors. One went out to where you parked the car, and the back went out to a kind of balcony that ran along the whole thing, and down below it, the fishing boats were kind of rocking in the night. So, I was sitting there knitting, listening to the sounds of my knitting needles, when suddenly, the door flew open and there stood a woman with orange hair and black roots and teeth like the teeth in “Yellow Submarine” – these very British teeth that had a space at the top and a space at the bottom. And she said to me, with a glass of gin rattling – the cubes rattling - in her hand, she said, “Oh, dull, dull, dull! I saw the knitting through the window this afternoon and I thought to myself, ‘How terribly dull!’ What are you knitting, dear?” And I said, “Well…” – pulling the covers up over me – I said, “I’m knitting the garden of paradise.” And she said to me, sitting down at the foot of my bed, “Paradise? Why, this is not paradise! Paradise is vivid, dear. Vivid! I mean, the broom is in bloom all along the highway everywhere you look. If you look out there, it’s bright yellow. Where’s your bright yellow, dear? Why, I don’t see any bright yellow. “I knit a sweater for my daughter once,” she said. “It was lovely. It was basic black with blue butterflies – basic black doesn’t show the dirt on the golf course – with blue butterflies all down both sleeves. And my daughter said to me, ‘Mama, you know, no more butterflies. I’m too old for butterflies.’ Can you imagine? Too old for butterflies! Why, you’re never too old for butterflies! “Now, I have a girlfriend in Vancouver. She’s my age, she likes to go, go, go. Well, Jack and I were the same, you know, we work hard. We work 9 to 5 all day, you know, and on the weekends, we like to go, go, go. And we have this friend, and she’s very vivid, dear. Now, she wears these colours now – chartreuse and magenta and turquoise [pron. Tur-KWAZ]. Now, that’s vivid! And paradise is vivid! But you kids are so dull, with your blue jeans and all. You know, you’re so very dull. “Now, where are you from, dear?” I said, “Well, um, I’m from California.” “Ohhhh,” she said. I said, “Well, I was born in Saskatchewan.” “Oh! Canadian! Oh, well you know, those damn Yanks, eh, they come up here with their boats, and they empty their bilges out here in our bays, and they don’t spend a goddam dime on [word unclear]. “Well, we went to the States once. We went to Minute [sp? Minoot? Maynooth?] North Dakota. Oh, it was terrible, dear – it was terrible! You know, the bayonets were out. You could see all the Negroes were huddled together and the sandbags were all piled in one corner. And they were sticking bayonets into the bales of sand. Well, YOU KNOW why they were doing that… Oh, we got out of there in a hell of a hurry, eh? “We went to Niagara Falls. Oh, it’s lovely on the Canadian side. But on the American side, of course, it’s just a pile of rocks falling down, and they want us to fix it up. Well, you know, that’s just silly, isn’t it? “Why don’t you come and have a drink with us, dear?” “Well, I’m knitting.” “Oh! I hear Jack outside. Well! Jack! She’s knitting, Jack!” “Uh, and I’m naked, I don’t have [word unclear]”. “And she’s naked, Jack! Well, wouldn’t you just come and have a little drink? I mean – we like to go, go, go on the weekends, you know.” I said, “Oh. No. Well… I just like to knit, knit, knit on the weekends.” “Well, all right, dear. Oh, you children. You’re so very dull. It’s not like our generation a-tall.” So, she stepped outside into the night and onto the balcony. And I heard her say to Jack, “Jesus Christ, Jack! Look at them stars! Ain’t they something!” END Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 19:41:14 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Justice a la Joni - kind of llllloooonnnngggg (ish) When I was transcribing the Vivid story from PWWAM and fast-forwarding to get to it and stopping every time Joni looked like she was gabbin' and not singin', I stopped at the Justice one first, so I transcribed it too. For what it's worth. This is kind of a two-for-one sale. BTW, I'm all caught up on my emails now, and ready to do some serious damage! So, voila. JUSTICE Joni Mitchell, from PWWAM Just after the LA riots, I pulled up behind a car with a license plate that read “Just Ice”, which caused me to do some thinking and some asking questions. And I asked a lot of people what justice was. Nobody seemed to know. I asked a lot of lawyers what justice was – they really didn’t seem to know. Many of them referred me to Socrates, and so I ended up reading a book – “Plato’s Republic” – which is a debate on justice featuring Socrates according to Plato, and the pivotal point of the book is, someone comes and says, “What is justice?” And Socrates says, “Well, in order to have justice, we have to have a just society.” So, he goes about creating what he considers to be a just society – and it isn’t really a just society. Actually, what it is, it’s a society of specialists. It’s the enemy of renaissance. When I met Georgia O’Keefe some years ago, she said to me, “Well, I would have liked to have been a musician as well, but you can’t do both.” And I said to her, “Oh yes, you can.” And she leaned forward on her elbows, at the age of 90, and said, “Really?” And I thought, if someone had told the young O’Keefe that she could have been a violinist AND a painter, she would have been. But, it’s a society of specialists. And, it was tough enough in her time just to be a female painter. Given permission, there’s no big deal in participating in 3 or 4 or 5 of the arts. Academics carry 6 or 7 subjects. Nobody thinks much of that. But Socrates kind of created a strange form of fascism. It was the foundation stone of western thought, and we’ve been discombobulated, kind of, ever since. Anyway, this is a little song about sex and violence in LA. END Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:55:08 -0600 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni's VIVID story from PWWAM - VERY LOOOONG I'm guessing there may have been a flood in North Dakota, but I don't know of any rivers that flow through it. Sandbags are used as an embankment to stop flood waters. And there may have been the war (as in the Civil War), so this woman would to have been at least 100. About the 'negroes': maybe they were trying to destroy the embankment or something??? Happy thanksgiving everyone - Deb (or whoever wrote that beautiful Thanksgiving poem) - that was wonderful! NP-Tim Reynolds - Stream ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | ICQ: 21619464 | |_________________________________| > A while ago, I offered to transcribe Joni's monologue from "Painting with > Words and Music". I must have been out of my mind. > > There were a couple of words I couldn't make out - if anyone knows what they > are, you know what to do. > > Does anyone have any idea what the deal was with the sandbags in North > Dakota is supposed to be? > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 13:14:50 -0700 From: "Brett Code" Subject: VIVID - Minot, North Dakota Thnaks for doing this, Catherine. It's great. I think the town in N.D. is Minot. I was there once as a boy. An old classmate of my father lived there. It was fun - ended up joining in a big neighbourhood crab apple fight. Don't ask me why, but the kids there loved to have crab apple fights in the fall. Brett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Nov 1999 23:39:40 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Freebo & John Hall Update! Dates: 11/28/99 Freebo and John Hall House Concert! Oak Park (Agoura), CA 6 pm Sunday Evening Potluck Dinner $10 RSVP to Russ at 818/707-2179 or email Russ at houseconcerts@jrp-graphics.com http://www.jrp-graphics.com/houseconcerts.html 12/2/99 Freebo and John Hall with the Groovsters The Baked Potato Hollywood, 6266 Sunset Bl.(1/2 blk eastof Vine) 8pm $12 323/461-6400 12/5/99 KPIG 107.5 Watsonville, CA Freebo & John Hall Show starts at 10am, Freebo & John on at 11am Listen online @ www.kpig.com 12/5/99 Fourth Street Tavern, 711 4th Street (at Lindaro), San Rafael, CA 415/454-4044 or 415/456-4828 12/7/99 KAZU 90.3 FM Pacific Grove, CA 9-11am Freebo & John Hall Live on The Roadside Cafe Listen online @ http://www.kazu.org/ 12/7/99 Henfling's Firehouse Tavern 9450 Highway 9, Ben Lomond, CA 8pm $10 advance, $12 at the door 831/336-8811 12/9/99 Cafe Van Gogh, Grass Valley, CA (in the front of the No. California Center for the Arts check www.freebo.com 'gig page' for address and ph#) $9 advance, $11 at the door 12/11/99 Freebo & John Hall House Concert Ashland, OR RSVP to Gaelyn @ 541/488-3060 or Laurie @ 541/488-4756 12/13/99 The Tractor Tavern, 5213 Ballard Ave. N.W., Seattle, WA 8pm $10 206/789-3599 206/789-4250 12/15/99 Sam Bond's Garage, 407 Blair Blvd., Eugene, OR 541/343-2635 (KLCC, KRVM, KWVA) 9 pm $5 All-organic meals are served. 12/17/99 Roseland Grill, 8 N.W. Sixth Avenue, Portland, OR 8pm $14 21 & over 503-219-9929 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 01:34:04 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: PWWAM & Thanks cath, wally is the beautiful beautiful BEAUTIFUL man with the goatee sitting right behind joni. he can be seen many times through the show. and isn't it he at the beginning, too, looking at one of joni's paintings and saying something like "yes, it does..."? wallyk > > I didn't realize you could see Wally. Where was he sitting and do you > remember what songs Joni was singing when Wally could be seen? > > Catherine (in Toronto) > cateri@hotmail.com > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 26 Nov 1999 01:42:57 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Joni's VIVID story from PWWAM - VERY LOOOONG catherine dear, my god! what a lot of hard work! thank you so much! i could never have understood all that detail. it's so much more ... well.... VIVID now! wallyk, NP: marian, marian, marian and no one has told me yet who's the man at the end of side 3. he's beauty incarnate!!!!! - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Catherine McKay Para: Enviado: Jueves 25 de Noviembre de 1999 16:12 Asunto: Joni's VIVID story from PWWAM - VERY LOOOONG > A while ago, I offered to transcribe Joni's monologue from "Painting with > Words and Music". I must have been out of my mind. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #275 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?