From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #268 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Friday, November 19 1999 Volume 01 : Number 268 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni: the long and short [catman ] Re: Come In From The Cold/Night Ride Home [Winfried Huehn ] Re: Joni: the long and short [Don Rowe ] Costing a Mint. And a half. ["Paul Castle" ] Refuge of the Roads video [Anne Sandstrom ] The "Dog Eat Dog" Musical Appreciation Society presents ... [Don Rowe ] Re: Ukeleles - was Costing a Mint. And a half. ["Kakki" ] Re: Ukeleles - was Costing a Mint. And a half. ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Refuge of the Roads video [Deb Messling ] Re: fans and fanatics [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: Lyrics [catman ] Re: Got it bad (SJC) [Rob Jordan ] back to you, Jimmy [Kleronomos@aol.com] Re: fans and fanatics [Kleronomos@aol.com] Re: joni screensavers ["gene mock" ] Re: fans and fanatics [catman ] RE: Joni: the long and the short ["patrick leader" ] "Joni's Jazz" tribute on Cassette- *Free* ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 10:14:06 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Joni: the long and short Kakki wrote: > Julie asked: > > << Do you have a favorite Joni song that you wished went on longer? >> > The Sire Of Sorrow/Slouching..... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:21:05 +0100 From: Winfried Huehn Subject: Re: Come In From The Cold/Night Ride Home Kakki wrote: > O.K. I know you all are going to guffaw and snicker but I'm also freezing > cold here, too. It's down in the 50s and I've had the furnace blasting all > night! I put on a coat when the temp. dips below 70 F. > Oh boy, oh boy, oh boy! Here in Goettingen, it's snowing like crazy at the moment! Kakki, and all the others who don't have real seasons, I don't really know whether I should envy you. I really enjoyed living in SoCal climate for one year. On the other hand, each season has its very own charm. In two weeks, the X-mas market will open on the city's historic market-square, and I'm already looking forward to going there after work with my friends and colleagues and drinking a glass of steaming hot mulled wine flavored with ginger and cinnamon, smelling all those wonderful christmas spices. NRH btw is an excellent winter record IMO. Being more upbeat than Hejira, it creates a relaxing and cozy atmosphere which quite well reflects that slower pace of wintertime life. I love to play it on lazy Sunday mornings. I just wish my small apartment had a fireplace! *sigh* On a personal note, I am right now employed at the local district court, where I'm being trained to become a judge. In Germany, everybody who wants to practice law has to go through this education, regardless of what the later profession will be. The idea is that every lawyer needs to know how courts work and reach their decisions. Next week I will have to write my first judgment proposal on a real-life case, which then will be discussed and evaluated by my supervising judge. For obvious reasons, I haven't written much recently. But I'm still around and reading the digests. I've read about Wally meeting Joni and I've looked at the picture at Wally's website. I wanted to say something, but there was no need to speak up and express my feelings -- you guys already said it so well and much better than I would have been able to. Wally, keep on hanging in there. You're a true inspiration for me and I'm sure for many others as well. Winfried in Goettingen, Germany ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:11:53 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni: the long and the short Forgetful and invisible Evian said: <> "Twas I that said it! And in one of the interviews I have where Joni is talking about the song, she says she was reading about Beethoven and his frustrations as a composer, and she wanted to write him a "pep talk" (hence the subtitle "Ludwig's Tune"). Also, she probably wrote it to herself, at least subconciously...FTR deals with her sense of frustration at becoming a famous songwriter-celebrity... And back to the topic of Joni's song length, it's not necessarily a bad thing to leave your audience wanting more...there's a real art to that, as opposed to filling up a 75 minute disc with a lot of fluff or stretching out songs to incredibly boring lengths. (Refer to Oasis' "Be Here Now" for the most blatant example of this concept). Bob NP: Joni, "Melody In Your Name" (1967)...she starts, realizes she's tuned too low, re-tunes, pops a string, fixes it, starts again, great stuff!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:27:04 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Re: Bal. Val...I only wish In a message dated 11/18/99 3:05:35 AM Eastern Standard Time,Marian in Viena writes: << I only wish there were more Joni songs to tab. >> Has someone done the tabs to Ballerina Valerie (The Psychedelic Coke Commercial) yet? I think this tune seriously ROCKS!...and I'd love to be able to play it, but I really don't know the first thing about figuring out a song's open tuning configuration. This is one of the first unreleased songs that I heard of Joni's that made me leap out of my seat and "crank it up." This is a tune that I could imagine Michael Hedges wailing on or perhaps the Breeders, Ween or Pavement adding a dangerous electric touch to it. I'd do it if I only knew how. Anyone up for it? Julian ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 08:35:11 -0500 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Nothing can be done (was Joni: the long and the short) evian said: >(Maybe because I am waiting impatiently for "Nothing Can Be >Done", even though I seem to be the only one who loves this song!) >Evian, who is not old, I'm told, but who really doesn't feel too >young.... I really love this song, especially the lyrics. It's a different kind of Joni song though because Larry Klein wrote the music (i'm pretty sure). Don't start, my heart is a smokin gun...and nothing can be done! Love it! sue ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ weekend email address: suemc16@webtv.net "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:21:55 -0500 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: joni screensavers Hi all! I have been neglecting the list for a few weeks now! Last night I had 406 emails to sort through. One that caught my eye was the Ricky Lee Jones guy who offered the free Joni screensaver. I downloaded it and now my computer is making a sickening noise. It keeps running hard and then slowing down, almost making a groan. I was just wondering if anyone else experienced this after downloading that screensaver and if I should be worried. - -Jenny from CT ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:01:21 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni: the long and short Okay, here's what we'll do ... we get Joni to tour with two different bands -- maybe The Heartbreakers would be one. They could play all the numbers we want shorter. For the extended cuts, maybe Moody Blues -- Kakki would get her symphonic "Judgement", and what they boys couldn't do to transform the "Hejira" songs into magnum opus masterpieces. Hey, it could happen! Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:52:37 -0500 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Costing a Mint. And a half. Anne asandstrom@allaire.com wrote: > .....the plastic ukelele with the catgut strings that were red, green, > yellow, and black. (Yup, I actually tuned it to something like open G > and played my own versions of chords on it - just playing by ear... > gee I wonder if Joni's early experience with ukelele was similar ;-) > I guess maybe that early experience explains a lot... Another synchronicity - I've just had my grandmother's old ukelele restored by Peter, my piano-playing carpenter friend. Does anyone know who Joni is referring to when she sings 'the ukelele man' in 'Night Ride Home'? Hula girls And caterpillar tractors in the sand The ukulele man The fireworks This 4th of July Night ride home I read that she started playing on a ukelele herself, as did Pete Seeger and Eric Clapton and a whole load of others whose names I am yet to collect. My Granny, who taught me, used to play in English music hall and concert party as a professional ukelele player - I remember as a tiny child being taken to a small seaside theatre in Swanage where my gran was one of the acts in Summer season there. Her main claim to fame was a song called "I'm a Busy Bee" which, my mother says, she taught to Arthur Askey (a famous British 'chirpy chappy' comedian and entertainer). Apparently, although I never saw this, she would come on dressed as a bee and sing this Busy Bee Song and people from the audience would bring honey jars and put them on the stage for her. She was also known for her spectacular right-hand finger roll (I've never been able to come close). When I saw her at Swanage I must have been about six or seven - but I still clearly remember the pianist asking for requests from the audience - and I shouted out (shyly) for "The Yellow Rose of Texas". I remember the audience laughing at me - and me thinking - 'I don't care, that's a great song'. I recently wrote to another list bemoaning the fact that you can't seem to get a good quality ukelele in any of the main music stores in the UK - all cheapo stuff, like the Sears guitar mentioned. The wife of Canadian singer Garnet Rogers posted that when Garnet was 10 he had been taken to a Bob Dylan concert and spent months afterwards working on a 10 minute version of 'Desolation Row' on his ukelele. Also, a guy from the American music store, Elderly Instruments, posted saying that they had some great new and vintage ukes in stock at the moment. The best and most useful bit of knowledge that my Gran gave to me was how to tune a Ukelele - singing the notes as "My-Dog-Has-Flees" as in My = A5 (on my keyboard, anyway) Dog = D4 Has = F#4 Flees = B5 and my first song - like a one-fingured G shape to a D7 shape on the top four strings of a guitar: It ain't a gonna rain no more no more Ain't a gonna rain no more So how in the hell can the old folks tell Ain't a gonna rain no more Great song! Now, if you can find a recording of Joni singing this when she was 8, I'll give you a bob or two, Bob! PaulC PS I was SO lucky they didn't have nintendos back then ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:55:10 -0500 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Refuge of the Roads video I was watching the ROTR video the other night - and came away with the same impression I had initially - even tho' it 'looks' like a performance, I'm under the distinct impression that there was actually no audience. (no shots of an audience, no applause, and the band & Joni look like they're not connecting with anyone) So, is that the case? anne ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 09:54:15 -0800 (PST) From: Don Rowe Subject: The "Dog Eat Dog" Musical Appreciation Society presents ... For all those who do not appreciate yet the sheer genius of "Dog Eat Dog" -- I began thumbing through my collection from '83-'85 last night -- with the purpose of assembling a mix tape of mainstream songs of the day alteranted with the tracks on DED. While not yet finished, the results are already producing an irrefutable picture that DED is not "sell out synth pop" ... it is, in fact, 110% pure Joni. I'll let you know when I've finished it, and will be more than happy to make copies for any interested party. Don Rowe ===== "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 13:31:33 EST From: SCJoniGuy@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni: the long and short Don suggested: <> Well, OK, as long as we don't get any of that inane poetry between tracks... "cold, heartless orb, man cries for Winn Dixie coldcuts but has none"... :~) Bob NP: Shawn Colvin, "Get out of this house" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 12:12:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 19 1966: Joni performs at the Second Fret in Philadelphia alone and with Chuck Mitchell. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 11:45:50 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Ukeleles - was Costing a Mint. And a half. Paul wrote: > Does anyone know who Joni is referring to when she sings > 'the ukelele man' in 'Night Ride Home'? The song was written after a trip with Larry to Maui. In my experiences visiting the Hawaiian Islands, there is always a "ukelele man" around somewhere playing background music. I think for some of them it is as natural as walking and talking. (Maybe Rainbow can add to this). I saw the cutest sight a few months ago at the L.A. airport waiting to board a flight. A large group of elderly Hawaiian women decked out in flower leis were strolling through the terminal accompanied by an elderly man playing ukelele and singing. Everyone around stopped in their tracks and was completely charmed by them. An airline employee behind the counter (who I learned grew up in Hawaii) got tears in her eyes and said to me "I'm sooo homesick". That's great about getting your Granny's uke restored. It must be beautiful. When I was growing up the uke was a common musical instrument among kids. And "My dog has fleas" was the first tune everyone learned. We could get ukes here really cheap back then - I think they were just a couple dollars. I never got one - instead I saved up my birthday money for a used Sears Silvertone guitar ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:18:55 -0500 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Re: Ukeleles - was Costing a Mint. And a half. > Does anyone know who Joni is referring to when she sings > 'the ukelele man' in 'Night Ride Home'? >The song was written after a trip with Larry to Maui. In my experiences >visiting the Hawaiian Islands, there is always a "ukelele man" around >somewhere playing background music. Thanks, Kakki. Of course. I don't know why but I'd always imagined L.A. as her home on this song. Makes much more sense now. What a great song! Did I dream it or did I hear Joni say (on the Miles of Aisles tour?) that she was referring to Hawaii as the paradise that got paved in Big Yellow Taxi? PaulC who can't spell 'fleas' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 21:42:32 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: The "Dog Eat Dog" Musical Appreciation Society presents ... > that DED is not "sell out synth > pop" ... it is, in fact, 110% pure Joni. I couldn't agree more. who else writes lyrics like that? Who siad it was sell out synth rock? Our Joni? Never!I love this album. > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:43:17 EST From: Kleronomos@aol.com Subject: fans and fanatics I'm no fanatic. I love Joni Mitchell, but I don't worship her. I love her like I would love a friend, or a sister (since I've been happily married for 22 years to another wonderful woman of heart and mind, that's as far as I go, though when I was younger, I loved her in another way!) Sometimes I feel some restraint from posting because I feel I don't "measure up" to the level of adoration that others may have. I have even only heard little after C&S (my favorites are Blue and FTR). I've just purchased Dog Eat Dog and Hejira (haven't received them yet). And I recently picked up (at Sue's urging) Herbie Hancock's "Gershwin's World". I saw Joni last year about this time in MSG in NY with Dylan. Loved it. Loved Dylan too, but I went for Joni. Too short a time with both of them! I can't imagine what it must have been like with Van Morrison as well. Strange that she and Dylan didn't do at least one song together (even though she said that Bob had written the last verse to Big Yellow Taxi, and sang it in a Dylanesque voice! "Late last niiiiiight, I heard the screen door salaaaaam!...") With all the diversity represented on the list, though, I still feel confident that there is room for one, who, though a JM +fan+, reserves +worship+ for the One who created each of us. I wonder how a celeb (and particularly Joni) feels, knowing that they are flesh and blood, about the worship they sometimes receive. That being said, there are few who have been able to move the heart as profoundly she has with her art. Artists of the Millenium? She's right up there with Shakespeare, in my book, and Mozart. NP Debussy "Claire de lune" (my daughter on our piano) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:07:55 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: fans and fanatics > > > With all the diversity represented on the list, though, I still feel > confident that there is room for one, who, though a JM +fan+, reserves > +worship+ for the One who created each of us. Oh I don't think you are the only one who recognizes that Joni is just a person with the same value as any other person. I think 'One' doesn't need or care about our worship. One already knows how great One is. I think One would be more interested in our 'worshipping' of eachother i.e seeing the value of each of us instead of the way things are at present. > I wonder how a celeb (and > particularly Joni) feels, knowing that they are flesh and blood, about the > worship they sometimes receive. I would imagine they think it is sad or odd or wonderful or deserved, depending on their own level of awareness. bw colin > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:35:14 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Refuge of the Roads video I certainly assume these were not live performances, although the arrangements were basically the same ones she was using for the tour, for good or ill. I will come out on a limb and say I like the rocked-out "Banquet." On a sort of related note, are there any tapes floating around of Joni singing "I Heard It through the Grapevine" as she did on that tour? It's easy to make fun of this "bad hair video," I think Joni wears a couple of really cute outfits, I like "Chinese Cafe" and "For Free," and I love the quick cuts of Joni during the song "Refuge of the Roads" in all her no-makeup glory. At 12:55 PM 11/18/99 -0500, you wrote: >I was watching the ROTR video the other night - and came away with the same >impression I had initially - even tho' it 'looks' like a performance, I'm >under the distinct impression that there was actually no audience. (no shots >of an audience, no applause, and the band & Joni look like they're not >connecting with anyone) > >So, is that the case? > >anne > > > Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 18:53:45 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: fans and fanatics Kleronomos@aol.com writes: << I'm no fanatic. I love Joni Mitchell, but I don't worship her. Sometimes I feel some restraint from posting because I feel I don't "measure up" to the level of adoration that others may have. Hi Kleronomos@aol.com (sorry I don't know your name) Thanks for posting. First off all, IMO no one on this list *worships* Joni ! Of course we are GREAT fans of hers, but there are even some members who are bigger fans of other artists other than Joni Mitchell. <> Again, IMO we are all fans! I know that when you read some of the posts (mine included), it may sound like we go overboard when talking about Joni, but most of us joined this list to discuss Joni's wonderful talent. I think if you took a poll, most of the JMDL would say they also *worship* the One who created each of us. <> You couldn't have said it better. Thanks again for posting, and bringing up the worship issue in case there are other Lurkers who may think the same as you do (or did, I hope) Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:59:06 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: Lyrics Raffaele, speaking personally I don't think the lyric to Sex Kills needs much explaining. The audience that night didn't need it explaining. I think it is a failry good representation of how the world is at present, from one perspective. Sex can kill but that is not new. People go on as if we have never experienced anyhting like HIV and AIDS which is not true. People have very short memories. Prior to the dicovery of penicillin, millions died and or were affected by Syphillis. 'every one hates everyone you can feel it out in traffic' is again pretty accurate, from a certain perspective. I certainly don't like cities. 'kids packin guns to school' well if one hears/reads the news one can't deny that one. The more interesting discussion came from The Sire Of Sorrow. Not only was it taken as read-a beseeching song to god-but also as an opener into the discussing of 'how could God allow all this suffering'. Some don't believe in a God becuase of all the suffering. still others believe(and they have a serious problem i feel) that the misery is evidence of Gods displeasure. i.e people get cancer, aids, murdered ect becuaase god is punishing them or whole communities get wrecked thru war or earthquake or famine etc becuase God is angry with them. Some even believ the famine and pestilence etc is because they don't follow a particular religion, meaning 'they don't belieiv as I do so they are evil and God will destroy them'. We also talked about this song a much more personal level. The common theme related to this was the experience of grief. Grief has such a shattering affect on the person who experinces it. I know of nothing else that effects the self in quite the same way.(grief is not just experienced thru the death of a loved one-it can be experienced over the death of the past, a realtionship, the realisation that childhood is gone and cannot be reclaimed or changed). Many who have gone thru this almighty changing experience shared that it brought more depth of understanding, a less rigid approach to the idea of God and a less rigid approach to others and their behaviours and also were inclined to be less judgemental about others. One or two racted to the experience of grief with more blame and jugement and a more rigid and dgomatic appraoch to god. believing, sadly, that if they had been better people their pain would not have arisen. Interestingly, Natalie, a termianl illness nurse at a famous hospital here, spoke about her experience of being with people as they approached death and died. In her experience it was those of the more rigid faiths, especially ministers, priests, vicars, elders etc, who suffered the most anguish during the illness and approching death. They felt the most fear, the most anger, the most bitterness.She explained it was because they felt they had been 'good whatever their religion was' and followed 'Gods word' and now he had let them down and deserted them. Those with a belief in the afterlife but not followers of any creed or dogma, fared much better because they usaually didn't share an idea that God was punitive . They felt secure in knowing they were loved for who they were and not for what they believed. Young people, her experience is strong with those dying becuase of CF, faced death much more easily too because, she felt, they had yet to experience the things that age brings and therefore did not have such a hard time letting go. The discussion was actually very positive. Most people accepted that the majotiy of our ills and sufferings were the result of the actions of people rather than some outside force. The idea of personal responsibilty was very much to the fore, the takling repsonsibilty for our actions and reactions to what evr befell us. We genrally felt that what we thought and believed about ourselves, about others and our idea of God were the deciding factors in how our lives were experinced. Only one or two felt that disease, like cancer or whatever, was brought about by our own beahiours etc. tho they felt our experince and reaction to such illness was very much dependant upon our thoughts and beliefs about it. Most thought that it was just something that happenes, with the causes not 100% known, but that how we lived with it was what mattered. Some felt is was wrong to put pressure onto sufferes to 'heal themslevs' by doing all sorts of things like meditataion and visulaization and eating this or that or praying or following some guru etc,. Some were inclined to think along the lines of 'You Can Heal Your Life' (HAY) whilst most, includiong myself, were rather against those ideas as we thought they placed blame upon the sufferer and implied that if we got diseased and died it was our fault becauase we weren't good enough in some way. A strong theme througout this song, The Sire Of Sorrow, is that it appears that others who are cold and calculating and wrongdoers basically seem to get away with it at the expense of the 'good'people. as most of us felt that we are what we think and that nothing escapes the law of 'God', we reap what we sow, and so that even if it looked like someone had gotten away scott free with murder of whatever, that in reality they have not. Interestingly the only Hell most believed in was the hell we each create for oursleves and we all felt that we could equally create heaven for oureselves. To quote Jesus 'The Kingdon Of God Is Within'. The general feeling was that heaven was not a place but a state of mind, and the same could be said of Hell. The discussion of Tax Free from DED revolved around the damage powerful charismatic people can do when they use people's insecurites and fear to gain the upperhand and also the inclination of people to opt out of thinking and being responsible and allow others to have this power over them. All in all the whole evening was excellent and very satisfying with the general consensus being that we each have personal responsibility, that much of the pain in this world is caused by us and our lack of understanding and lack of acceptance of personal responsibilty and that thru prayer and meditation we would become more intutitive and responsive and aware which leads to a bettering of ourselves rather than praying that God does something about this 'mess we're in'. The diea that we should pray in the sense of asking God for peace on earth or some such was a complete waste of time and an abdicatin of our responsibiltiy. Just being open to the influence of Good thru meditation and prayer was considerd the way to go for most people. There were those in the discussion that were extremely uncomfortable and unable to see differnt ideas to their own. fear had got the better of them. The most obivous thing with these people, and really very sad, was their obvious belief in their not being good enough. So you see those three songs, and I am sure many others, brought about a really powerful discissuion of life and ideas and the meanings and interpreatations we all have about life. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 00:27:30 +0000 From: Rob Jordan Subject: Re: Got it bad (SJC) At 07:54 PM 11/17/99 -0800, you wrote: >I'm sitting here doing internet research for a case and sending the results >to my work email address and just put NJC in the subject line. I was listening to my five year old son reading, and he got stuck on the word "Ghost", so, trying to give him a clue, I did this long "WhoooOOOOooo" sound and he came straight back with "Joni Mitchell?". Whole family got it bad here! Rob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:55:15 EST From: Kleronomos@aol.com Subject: back to you, Jimmy In a message dated 11/18/99 6:53:45 PM Eastern Standard Time, FMY FL writes: << First off all, IMO no one on this list *worships* Joni ! >> I didn't mean to imply that I believe that anyone in particular does... certainly not my place to do so. But I wouldn't be surprised if some would freely say it! I was just drawing a distinction that I have made in my own life (and I see that I am not alone!) thanks for the kind words, Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 19:57:14 EST From: Kleronomos@aol.com Subject: Re: fans and fanatics In a message dated 11/18/99 6:31:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << Oh I don't think you are the only one who recognizes that Joni is just a person... >> OUCH! did I sound like that? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 17:12:05 -0800 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: joni screensavers i downloaded the program awhile back. have not had any problems whatsoever and am thoroughly enjoying the screensavers. the noise your hearing could be the cooling fan if you have one inside your tower. catch you later gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jennifer L. Nodine To: Sent: Thursday, November 18, 1999 6:21 AM Subject: joni screensavers > Hi all! I have been neglecting the list for a few weeks now! Last > night I had 406 emails to sort through. One that caught my eye was the > Ricky Lee Jones guy who offered the free Joni screensaver. I downloaded > it and now my computer is making a sickening noise. It keeps running > hard and then slowing down, almost making a groan. I was just wondering > if anyone else experienced this after downloading that screensaver and > if I should be worried. > -Jenny from CT > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Nov 1999 01:25:54 +0000 From: catman Subject: Re: fans and fanatics Kleronomos@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 11/18/99 6:31:51 PM Eastern Standard Time, > catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: > > << Oh I don't think you are the only one who recognizes that Joni is just a > person... >> > > OUCH! did I sound like that? ??? don't get how my comment could make you 'ouch'. i was agreeing with you and pointing out that I am sure others do to. - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 20:39:45 -0500 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Joni: the long and the short evian wrote: >Maybe because I am waiting impatiently for "Nothing Can Be >Done", even though I seem to be the only one who loves this song!) when bob was trying to convince me of the evil influence of larry klein on joni, he mentioned this song as inferior both because it's klein's music and because it's another cheesy duet, like all the ones on chalkmark and dog. i LOVE 'nothing can be done'. (i also love all of the duets on chalkmark, except 'dancing clown') everything about the song works. i think nrh has the most consistently outstanding percussion of all her albums and 'nothing can be done' is a perfect example. and i love the lyrics. when 'help me' was a huge hit, the lyrics 'we love our loving, but not like we love our freedom' had such resonance they became part of the times. if joni had been as popular in 1991, i think these lyrics: i am not old i'm told but i am not young, ohhh, nothing can be done would be just as resonant with our older selves. the song is genius. patrick np - dar williams - the honesty room >Evian, who is not old, I'm told, but who really doesn't feel too >young.... > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 22:57:28 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Joni's Jazz" tribute on Cassette- *Free* I'm offering to make dubs of a 3-cassette collection based on an intrepid audience member with a very nice stereo microphone at the "Joni's Jazz" concert. Jazz musicians played Joni songs including a complete tribute to "Hejira". This concert, held in New York City's Central Park on Canada Day 1999 (July 1) was presented by the Canadian Consulate. This mini-tape tree is provided with text-only J-cards in the classic JMDL tape tree tradition. Also included is a photocopy of the 4 page program, complete with names, of the night's perfor- mance. I pick up the cost of the photocopies. On the third tape is Joni's appearance on an American radio prog- ram called "The World Cafe" from Philedelphia, Pennsylvannia USA in 1994. In these 2 hours, you get a nice collection of Joni's hits from the album tracks. In the interviews, she talks about a new song, Yvette In English, and many other topics. You'll need to send cassettes and return postage (2) 110 minute cassettes (suggest Maxell XII-S or TDK SA-X) and (1) 120 minute cassette (Suggest Maxell D, or TDK D, a Ferric tape but Ferric sounds just fine.) "If you want the tapes but want to work out another arrangement, e-mail me privately." np: Former Beatle Paul McCartney's best album since 1975, "RUN DEVIL RUN". - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Nov 1999 23:10:18 -0800 From: "rick novosel" Subject: Re: fans and fanatics - ---------- > I'm no fanatic. I love Joni Mitchell, but I don't worship her. I love her > like I would love a friend, or a sister (since I've been happily married for > 22 years to another wonderful woman of heart and mind, that's as far as I go, > though when I was younger, I loved her in another way!) > > Sometimes I feel some restraint from posting because I feel I don't "measure > up" to the level of adoration that others may have. I have even only heard > little after C&S (my favorites are Blue and FTR). I have to admit I'm in the same position. After first hearing Joni in '68, I began a six year love affair. My walls were covered with pictures cut out from magazines (including the Reprise issue of the Clouds album cover) and I couldn't imagine never being totally enamored with Joni. But everything changes with time.... As a result of that early infatuation, my favorite albums will always be the early ones (but of course Hejira and WTRF). And I'm going to admit something that may make me a pariah on the JDML: I find the sound of a soprano sax grating and I don't like jazz. On the same note (but a little different), I keep reading tantalizing bits about videos and tapes of very early Joni. Are these still available from tape trees? Thanks for the personal welcome notes. I'm glad to be here. Rick ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #268 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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