From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #258 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Tuesday, November 9 1999 Volume 01 : Number 258 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Delurking ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Happy Birthday to Joni ["Kakki" ] Lurker Days ["Kakki" ] Re: Happy Birthday!!! [Deb Messling ] Re: false alarms kinda long ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Baerwald and Indio ["Raffaele Malanga" ] Happy birthday [Janene Otten ] Full heart - time of year ["Paul Castle" ] RE: You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio [Louis Lynch ] Re: How's Carly Simon? ["Bill Dollinger" ] Today in Joni History - November 8 [Today in Joni History ] Today in Joni History - November 7 [Today in Joni History ] Tequila anaconda [Steve Dulson ] Tequila anaconda [Steve Dulson ] Re: Happy Birthday!!! [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Philosophy Of Playing? ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] HB and 'Dreamland' [Drewdix@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 21:33:17 +1300 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Delurking Andy wrote: >I do want to say that as a lurker I've been so impressed with the >intelligence, sensitivity, understanding, and humor that all you >'regulars' display in your postings. I feel that I know many of you, >and have so much respect for you. Wow - what a great post! Thanks for including me, Andy - although I feel a little humbled by your comments. The JMDL is a great place though, isn't it?! I'm finally catching up after 3 days of not having time to even read my mail, let alone reply to anything - 397 posts to read! I know what you mean about missing threads though. Sometimes if I get a quiet patch at work, I'll go and read my mail through the gateway, and delete stuff that I don't want to reply to, but sometimes even the 8 hours to get home seems to late to reply - it's annoying that I can't post from work! Anyway, better get on with my replies - lots of time to make up! Helen NP - Melissa Etheridge - Bring Me Some Water - a duet with a vocally challenged Kiwi, who's under the mistaken impression she can actually sing! The cat's done a runner, and God help the neighbours! _______________________________ "I don't believe in livin' in the middle with available extremes" - Carole King hell@ihug.co.nz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 02:23:20 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Happy Birthday to Joni Dear Joni, I tried to post by midnight but have a feeling you are not only still up but that the party is just getting going. I wish you much joy and happiness on your birthday and all through the coming year. Thank you for always bringing so much delight, inspiration and solace into our lives through your music, art and life. Love, .... your fellow night owl, Kakki ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 02:36:12 -0800 From: "Kakki" Subject: Lurker Days I was so happy to see some of our wonderful lurkers and MIAs (hey Craig!) decloak the past few days. Please don't ever be concerned about being late on threads or feeling shy or hesitant to wander onlist. And I know there's a lot more out there we haven't heard from in awhile - please keep the posts coming! Kakki NP: Byrds - Ballad of Easy Rider ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 06:49:42 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Happy Birthday!!! Can you clarify this statement? Am I reading correctly that there is some reason he won't reply these interviews? >I begged him to replay the archives of his interviews with her. Not anymore >thanks to Bob M. and Dennis Leong. Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 05:02:39 PST From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Re: false alarms kinda long Jamie, I've been through your notes on 'Amelia and false alarms' prompted by one of my mail. It's strange how meaning can change when you get to know new things... I've always thought of Amelia as a highly poetic and visionary 'virtual' letter from Joni to Amelia Earhardt, with whom she felt a sort of spiritual and intellectual link. Both are women who have left a mark in the 'man's world', both are very ambitious -looking forward their next challenge, both have suffered the consequences of their daring decisions. This goes quite well with what you write in your mail. Of course one may find hundreds of interpretations for lyrics and poetry, and this surely is the case for Joni's complex way of writing. So I understand what you say about: >'Maybe I've never really loved, I guess that is the truth. I've spent the >whole life in clouds at icy altitudes'. This verse and the next relates to >the change in her music and voice. IMHO. In interviews she has said that >she was criticised by audiences during this Rolling Thunder for not being >able to relate to her audience, for having a voice that was so high that it >was in clouds. It also is a double entendre saying that Clouds, the album, >doesn't relate to herself or anyone anymore, that it was past it's prime >and on to a new way. Hence,'I pulled into the CactusTree Motel' i.e. that >period of her music was only a stepping stone, a stopping point, on a much >longer journey. The dreams, dreams and false alarms were just dead ends >where she would swing by but not dwell for long. However, I still like to think of this verse ('Maybe I've never really loved...') as the sad confession of a human being whose sensibility leads he/she to a sort of isolation from the crowd, not because of pretenciousness but because of the willingness of looking for more, because of a struggle going on in his/her spirit. Living in such a state of mind (with the 'mind in the clouds') can be dangerous at times: you look down at the crowd, at what you have achieved so far, at the chaos of what's around and (possibly) of your whole life, you lose your balance, stumble and crash down back to earth. Sometimes you "crash in somebody's arms" and think you might have finally fulfilled your dreams, but after a while you just realise it has been another false alarm. Then you can only wish to take off again and reach for the clouds. Am I living at icy altitudes as well? Anyway, thank you again for your enlightening notes, Jamie. And thank you very much Susan. Hear from you soon. Raffaele ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 05:26:15 PST From: "Raffaele Malanga" Subject: Baerwald and Indio Hello again, I've been looking almost everywhere for David Baerwald's "Bedtime stories" and Indio's "Big Harvest" with no success. CDnow doesn't even know who they are. I understand that these CDs are no longer in catalogue, but is there anyone in the list that can tell me if there is a way of buying them? And, before that, is it worth chasing them, in terms of music and Joni contribution? Raffaele ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:22:08 -0500 From: Janene Otten Subject: Happy birthday Hi, all. I am de-lurking as well to say a belated happy birthday to Joni. I did celebrate over the weekend. =) Still trying to catch up on all of my digest reading. So much to do, so little time. Janene ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 14:22:04 -0500 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Full heart - time of year "A quiet place. A simple tape recorder. A legal pad. A notebook - and a full heart." (p.36) Jimmy Webb 'Tunesmith' Now we know what to get everyone for Christmas! PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 06:23:16 -0800 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio Hear! Hear! "You Turn Me On, I'm a Radio" is my all-time favorite Joni song. I always describe it as the PERFECT pop song, because it has everything a pop song will ever need. The first time I heard it, on the radio, I was spellbound. And every time I hear it, it still makes me smile and tap my foot. And the built-in analogy never fails -- like "Electricity," it shows off Joni natural talent for creating word images. Even though there are other Joni songs that are deeper or more complicated or more touching or more whatever, I still fancy "You Turn Me On" the most. And it sounds really funky on the harp. Regards, Harper Lou ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 11:17:15 -0500 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: How's Carly Simon? I saw a recent photo of her with a brief writeup i think it was in People,. said she was doing well, she looked great, on a shopping spree or something. bill - ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark or Travis To: Jim L'Hommedieu ; Sent: Friday, November 05, 1999 9:27 PM Subject: Re: How's Carly Simon? > > > I bought a Carly Simon video concert on a public dock on Martha's > > Vineyard on America's East Coast on the Atlantic Ocean. I love "The > > Stuff That Dreams Of": > > > > "It's the stuff that dreams are made of > > It's the reason we are alive" > > > > So, my question remains, how's Carly? > > -- > > All the best, > > Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... > > > > I'd like to know the answer to this myself. Colin, have you heard? > > That concert is really wonderful. Carly suffers from almost > unbearable stage fright so this Martha's Vineyard show is kind of a > rare occurrence. She really puts on a great show, mostly for family, > friends & neighbors. Her live rendition of 'Never Been Gone' is > wonderful in this setting: > > I'm bound for the island > The tide is with me > I think I can make it by dawn > Oh it's night on the ocean > And I'm going home > And it feels like > I've never > I've never been gone... > > Mark in Seattle > > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 07 Nov 1999 12:10:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 8 1996: Joni is taped for an appearance on the Rosie O'Donnell Show in New York City. For pictures and list member comments, go to: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/110896.htm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 06 Nov 1999 12:09:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - November 7 1943: Joni is born in Fort MacLeod, Canada 1982: The New York Times publishes a review of Wild Things Run Fast, calling it "the most exhilaratingly high spirited album Miss Mitchell has ever made. For in addition to the edgy, syncopated folk-jazz singing that became her vocal trademark in the mid-70's, the album features several vibrant rock-and-roll performances that communicate a rare joy in being alive." Read the full article at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/revwtnyt.htm 1994: Today's issue of Newsday gets in the Turbulent Indigo promotion act and publishes a talk with Joni. Here's Joni take on Los Angeles: "Driving in traffic is difficult, extreme. Your fellow civilians are hostile. The shopping center is full of Russians who, like, try to beat you if you don't watch your bill; they're all like black-market immigrants or something. The restaurants that I eat in are close enough to Brentwood, but there's an influx of, like, you know, sickly tourists wanting to know where the woman shops and how to copy her. You're glad to get through the day without a fire or a mudslide or a drive-by shooting. You jump in traffic when a car backfires. Lovely place to live. Full of inspiration." Read the rest at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/nd941107.htm 1995: Joni plays a surprise show at Greenwich's Village Fez Club in New York, in front of 200 fans, including Chrissie Hynde, Carly Simon, Natalie Merchant and Marc Cohn. For more info on the rather unique evening: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/vf9706.htm http://www.jmdl.com/articles/an951109.htm http://www.salon1999.com/05/features/carly.html 1996: Joni appearance on the CBS This Morning Show is taped today and broadcast the next day. Read list member comments and see pictures of a sleepy Joni at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/110796.htm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:59:32 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Tequila anaconda Michael wrote > We can get Kakki and the gang and go build a tequila anaconda from hell. Count me in! Doesn't that sound like a concoction for the next recipe book....hehehehe..."Tequila anaconda from hell".... ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 09:59:32 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Tequila anaconda Michael wrote > We can get Kakki and the gang and go build a tequila anaconda from hell. Count me in! Doesn't that sound like a concoction for the next recipe book....hehehehe..."Tequila anaconda from hell".... ######################################################### Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" http://www.thelivingtradition.org/ (Website under construction!) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 19:08:40 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Happy Birthday!!! In a message dated 11/8/1999 6:50:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, messling@enter.net writes: << Can you clarify this statement? Am I reading correctly that there is some reason he won't reply these interviews? >I begged him to replay the archives of his interviews with her. Not anymore >thanks to Bob M. and Dennis Leong. >> ohhh..he says he has to try and dig them up.... can you beleave that? I would have them right at my fingertips to listen to ALOT!!! I had only heard them once and that was on the radio around 1979 ( of course..she was playing at the Mann Music Center) Then they were just in my memory banks. (oh how depressing!!) I looke d in my tape drawer to no avail...how could it be that I misplaced that awesome tape?? (how awesome could it be?- it was from a tiny tape recorder not even plugged into the sterio just hand held-YIKES!!) Anyway, now that Bob Mueller made me the tapes and Dennis made me the CD's (WHOOO-HOOO) I cna listen to her when ever I want! And I do alot. I love those tapes. When she does London Bridge...it is so fun and I LOVE IT to peices!!! Catgirl ps...does anyone have a recording of Joni from 1979? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 08 Nov 1999 19:43:44 -0500 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Philosophy Of Playing? been thinkin' today 'bout the way McCartney's bass-playing gets better when he sings & plays simultaneously ** but ** Joni's singing improves when she DOESN'T play. For example, "Story Weather" with the orchestra from one of the recent tape trees. (What's a tape tree? Go to http://jmdl.com/trading/ ) - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 8 Nov 1999 22:05:58 EST From: Drewdix@aol.com Subject: HB and 'Dreamland' So I reenter (stumbling) the list Saturday, after months away, and lurk some more Sunday morning, not knowing it's Joni's birthday. Outside for some yardwork: I move my car in my driveway to get at the leaves underneath, it's a perfect chilly, sunny fall day, and Hejira (forever in the cassette player) issues me ..."in a highway service station over the month of June is a photograph of the earth taken coming back from the moon And you couldn't see a city on that marble bowling ball, or a forest or a highway, or me down here least of all..." Later, I communicate with a few of you, and turn in for the night. On her birthday night, a dream forms: it is Joni- in my living room- telling me about her inspiration and interpretation of her work. We are both in jeans; she is seated on my couch as she is seated on the cover of FTR; we are TOUCHING KNEES, and an occasional foot.. (ohmygod) ...and feeling good about each other- not THAT good...it was truly warm and deeply close, but my wife is also seated nearby, listening, and enjoying the conversation. It all feels right! NOW it gets weird: my mother is pacing about the house, angry that I am not with HER doing some pre-planned activity.. well Mom, you've just got to wait...and then the alarm goes off, and it's time for work. Try as I might, I couldn't lapse back into it. Hah! Freudian field day, I guess... then I log on tonight (Monday 11/8) and realize it was her birthday. Coincidence? I've dreamt about Joni before, but this was so vivid. Didn't we do an online birthday card last year? My subconscious probably released that this weekend. Ain't she the best? (er...my Mother, I mean...) - --DD ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #258 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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