From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #251 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, November 3 1999 Volume 01 : Number 251 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Racial Slurs [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Urge for going (guitar chords) - [very long] [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Urge for going - an enigma [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Urge for going (guitar chords) ["P. Henry" ] Lost Emails [Michael Paz ] Re: Urge for going (guitar chords) ["P. Henry" ] Racial Slurs / Dreamland. ["John Low" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 23:18:34 EST From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Racial Slurs I always felt that the "Mooslems" bit was Joni's way of pointing out how nervous and agitated a lot of white people were about what I'll imprecisely refer to as Black Power in the 60s. The more conventional, square and circumscribed the life of a white person, the more likely he or she would react to integration/black power in a way that 'd be amusing to a more worldly, hip, enlightened(?) observer. D LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 23:31:12 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Urge for going (guitar chords) - [very long] In a message dated 11/2/1999 9:40:01 AM Eastern Standard Time, asandstrom@allaire.com writes: << Think in shapes and colors and textures. Sound weird? Well, that how she does it. It always amazed me that someone took the time to write out lead sheets and standard chords for Joni's songs, then published them, when it was like translating from one language to another one with fewer, less interesting words. Something invariably gets lost. Anne >> Anne, What a great post. Thnaks for sharing your expertise on this subject! I am impressed! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 23:35:39 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Urge for going - an enigma In a message dated 11/2/1999 10:37:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, sem8@cornell.edu writes: << In the interest of spreading the art of Joni Mitchell, I designed the Joni Mitchell Guitar Site with one mission: For guitarists to share their interpretations of Joni's craft. In my opinion, there are many different ways people enjoy playing her songs: e.g., in Joni's way, in their own way, and for beginners, the simplest way possible. We are all at varying degrees of guitar prowess and I designed the site so everyone can share and grow from learning from the master. >> The guitar site is quite amazing!!!! It is so awesome to go there pick a favorite song and learn to play it basically the same way Joni does. How lucky for all of us to be a part of this..All I cna say is one big.... Whooo-Hooo! Catgirl NP-Help Me-Spectrum ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 20:36:27 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Urge for going (guitar chords) :-) thanks catgirl, I didn't know that about the songbooks. that IS great news! I remember how disgusted I was when the first ones came out. at this juncture I'd just like to say to you and howard and marian and mark and alan and anne and everyone who's been kind enough to try to help me with this that it is obvious that I must be in error on this in some way and what I really need to do is back off, go find a guitar, which won't be easy for me as I don't even know any guitarists, and re-examine what I'm saying I'm so sure of although I long ago lost my singing voice, I may even have to produce a short tape, as kakki suggested, when I get it sorted out so that you can make some comparison. after all, it's not just that Joni taught it to me; as soon as I learned it I immediately made it part of my setlist and performed it virtually every weekend for the next several years, and I didn't post the chords for self agrandizement and certainly not to start a fight with anyone, but for exactly the kind of heart portrayed so well here by you, catgirl... the 'wooo-hooo' kind of feeling that: "to be able to play Joni the way she does is ECSTASY!!!!!!" ...in other words, for you listers. so what I'm asking you is to please be patient with me and let me take the time to get it right... and please forgive me for being the cause of this confusion and if I mis-interpreted anyposts taht were made. after I have re-examined it I will respond to all of your posts to me. thanks. pat - -- CaTGirl wrote: > >> >Hello! >Interestingly enough, I just performed this song out for the first time. I don't think Howard was casting doubt just that maybe Joni changed it a little. The later songbooks that have come out starting with Turbulent Indigo show the correct tunings which is so cool. Also the Hits and Misses songbooks both show the correct tunings for all the songs in them. I have been playing Chealsea Morning and can now play along with the LP or an old video of her doing it live! How exciting!!! As long as you have the same outcome the chord choices are just a matter of preference in my opinion... but to be able to play Joni the way she does is ECSTASY!!!!!! Catgirl....whooo-hooo!!!! Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 22:47:19 -0600 From: Michael Paz Subject: Lost Emails Hello Everybody- I have been so busy lately and have not had much time for myself. I have sent a few emails to the list to keep you up to date with my goings on, but after catching up with the current digests I see they have not made it to the list. How strange! Anyways, first things first. Last Thursday night I met Russell Ferrante thru my friend Marilee. He is a really super nice guy and I enjoyed the time I was able to spend with them hanging out at Vic's Kangeroo Cafe and then riding around listening to a recording that Marilee did in LA of an unreleased Stevie Wonder song (from The Songs In The Key of Life sessions). The track was totally amazing btw. Russell was in town with the Yellowjackets to play a few shows at Bally's Casino. They invited me down to see the show and afterwards I went backstage to say hi and was introduced to Peter Erskine (who I have seen play many times). I asked Peter about the Joni recording and it was like a flood of info that came out of him. He said it is the best session he has ever been involved with and gushed alot about Joni and how brilliant she is. He also talked very highly of the arranger (Vince I think he said his name is). He said he really likes the new arrangements of her old songs and that the music was so moving that several people were crying openly during the session. He also claimed Joni nailed alot of the songs on the first take. I told them about my tribute concert planned for next year here in New Orleans and promised to invite them. Anyway, more later. I wanna see if this thing is working again. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 21:57:00 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Urge for going (guitar chords) CaTGirl wrote: >ohhh... you doll boy ( something I call my kitties-lucky you!!) If we lived near each other I would be over every day listening with baited breath to your stories!!! And then as well i would let you use one of my guitars.. .but RATZ! I live in PA and I don't know where you live so the possilbility is zero!! YOU just take your time. One of the best things to try is going to a music store where they have guitars and act like you are really interested in buying one. I did that with a Taylor and even retuned it and played with it for like an hour. When tru say..I was thinking of a martin...but thanks!!! We all enjoy what you have to say..it leads to interesting discussions!! >Luv, >Catgirl oh! to be on par with CarGir's kitties! thanks doll-girl! I'm honored! ;-) I hope that in the end I'll be able to contribute something that will make your eyes twinkle... yeah, it's been a looooong time since I pulled the old 'shopping for a guitar' trick... back when I first started playing pro, (at 15) I didn't even own a guitar... always borrowed from the other performers, ending up playing everything from a goya classical to a gibson dove. I used to scour the suburban guitar shops looking for one where they didn't know me yet... ya can't go back to the same place and pull that one too many times! LoL!!! hey, did you ever get your taylor? I remember you were drooling for one... hope so! take care, pat :) Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 23:13:16 PST From: "John Low" Subject: Racial Slurs / Dreamland. Debra Shea wrote: >Maybe SHE'S Tar Baby, since she's dressed herself as a black man on >the >cover. And "Great White Wonder" does somehow refer to Bob Dylan >himself or >bootleg tapes (as John Low previously mentioned), or, >well, obviously I >don't know... The more I think about it the more I’m inclined to the view that this particular line could be Dylan related. The song's exotic characters, imagery and ‘dreamland’ location etc. are very similar to what Dylan was incorporating into some of the songs he was writing around the mid-1970s at the time of the Rolling Thunder Revue. Listen to his album “Desire” – a song, for example, like “Black Diamond Bay”. Given that Joni is on the album's cover in the persona of a black man and that “Great White Wonder” has the obvious Dylan associations I mentioned in an earlier post, is it too far fetched to interpret the line as a nod to His Bobness? That is, two prophets of their turbulent time, Joni and Bob, interpreting the state and future of the world (“burning on the inside / with the knowledge of things to come”)? John (in Sydney). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #251 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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