From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #247 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Monday, November 1 1999 Volume 01 : Number 247 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Cree Louise (HOSL Demo) ["Eric Taylor" ] Re: Tar Babie on the "barbie"onlyJMDL Digest V1 #245 [Julian51469@aol.com] Re: How much, how often? [Linda Worster ] joni for halloween [Deb Messling ] Re: Re : How much, how often? [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: in way of proof... ["P. Henry" ] Joni's Jazz Part #1 [Julian51469@aol.com] :o) Hissings demos and rarities!!! [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: joni for halloween [FMYFL@aol.com] Plug Of The Week #43 ["Peter Holmstedt" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 04:00:11 -0500 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Cree Louise (HOSL Demo) I wrote: << Joni's delivery of Cherokee Louise on the HOSL Demo is overwhelming! >> Bob replied: << Eric, you must be referring to some filler on your recording, as Louise doesn't appear on the HOSL Demos... >> MG added: << Whew! This is a real relief! I've felt that my copies of the HOSL demo were incredibly clear and of great quality. I've been feeling quite pleased that I've been able to hear the whole tape, (albeit in the car with the volume cranked), and then I read that "Cherokee Louise" is on the tape! Have I been singing along to the wrong songs all this time? >> Lucky me! I have the CD.... This is my first Joni bootleg so please pardon my unfamiliarity. I haven't had even an AM radio in my car for three years now. I'm still waiting to install a CD player. Perhaps the reason I haven't done it yet is because I just love singing to myself when I drive. This can be embarrassing at stop lights. I sing Joni 99% of the time & it always amazes me that I remember most of her words & chords. Tonight I delivered a particularly satisfying rendition of Moon At The Window driving home from a toilet-paper-in-the-trees throwing contest. BTW, I just adopted a solid black stray tomcat with big beautiful green eyes. I named him Howler. Happy Halloween! E.T. NP: NIN, The Fragile, disk 2***** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 06:45:23 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Re: Tar Babie on the "barbie"onlyJMDL Digest V1 #245 In a message dated 10/30/99 2:05:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, les@jmdl.com writes: Julian wrote: > Has anyone mentioned that >DJRD came out at a time when people weren't so worried about political >correctness, not to mention the evolution of a word or slang terminology? >These gems like "tar baby" litterally and figuratively get stuck in gooey >dark syntax and cultural taboos. I really appreciate Debra (Kedabra)'s "all >sides now" response....because I feel that's the time we are living in. ....and then Patrick O'Connor wrote: The term "politically correct" hadn't yet been coined when DJRD was released, however that's not to say that one didn't recognize a racial slur when one met one in a dark alley, or in a crowded bar, or on a record album, or when one ran head-first into the slur-maker. We didn't call it politically incorrect, we called it racist. Semitics as you all know, are Arabs too. POC>> Hello POC, You are absolutely right. My statement was not meant to dispute the arguments but simply point out the fact that the great thinkers here at the end of the 20th century love to look at all sides of the preverbial coin. Ple ase accept my deepest appologies if I've offended you in anyway. You're totally correct about < We didn't call it politically incorrect, we called it racist. Semitics as you all know, are Arabs too.> Just as Semites have the ability to be racist...and so the wheel of suffering rolls on. Thank you for addition and well taken criticism, Julian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 09:23:15 -0500 From: Linda Worster Subject: Re: How much, how often? David wrote: > >> "I don't listen to that much music because I am playing a lot." What a great >> place to be. I feel very fortunate that I can say the same and also echo what >> follows: when I DO listen, there's nothing like a Joni Mitchell album to keep >> the quality I'm aspiring to right in my face. DAVID LAHM well said, David!!! Thanks for writing. I too feel extremely fortunate to be a music maker! then Colin asked: >To all you music makers out there: do you listen to what you are playing? Or are >you involved in the playing? > I meant, I don't listen all that much to recorded music when I am playing a lot. Definitely listening when I am playing.... except sometimes when I float off into dreamland.... That's only OK for me if I am playing solo... If I am playing with others, I tend to miss cues that way. I think the best musicians are the best listeners. Even solo... if I am not listening to myself, the music doesn't come across the same at all. best- Linda ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 09:35:03 -0500 From: Deb Messling Subject: joni for halloween Hello all, Last night I went to a costume party where everyone was directed to come as an influential person of the 20th century. One of the guests came as Joni Mitchell. It helped that she is naturally a dead ringer for Mia Farrow, and she accentuated her cheekbones with makeup, but the rest of her get-up was a big denim shirt and a peace symbol necklace. The stereotype lives on...sigh... Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 09:48:34 EST From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Re : How much, how often? In a message dated 29/10/99 23:19:30 GMT Daylight Time, Ginamu@aol.com writes: << While it's true I play Joni almost daily to some extent, I also play a wide variety of other people's music a great deal at work and at home too, particularly while doing work around the house, preparing dinner or just puttering. But with Joni, I prefer to be alone while listening to her ( uh oh... in terms of addiction, is this anything like an alcoholic preferring to drink alone? ) >> Gina, I agree with you about the need to concentrate to Joni. I don't listen to Joni anything like every day, but she is a constant presence. When it comes down to it, the albums I always come back to are the Blue-Hejira sequence. I hardly ever listen to the the first 3 or the 80s albums, not cos I hate them, more because there is just so, so much other stuff to get through. I always namecheck her whenever the "what sort of music do you like" question comes up, whether with friends, fellow course members, clients at work or even complete strangers! Azeem in London NP: The build-up to the second rugby world cup semi-final. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 07:20:41 -0800 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: in way of proof... Kakki wrote: < Pat, what darling, vintage photos! $1.25 to see Joni - argh! And what a lucky guy you are to have experienced such a wonderful space in time and have such memories to cherish.> yes, 'lucky' is exactly what I am! not skilled, not better, not aggressive... just pure dumb luck! or maybe fate... remember in Wayne's World where they did the 'we're not worthy' bit? I guess you could say that sort of describes how I feel about the whole thing. if you've read my posts since I came onboard you know my story and you know how haphazardly I fell into the situation of the Cellar and Joni. all the other kids knew each other and were art students or friends of art students of one teacher. I only knew brian and that we were going to a party. I never knew what was going on until the party turned into a meeting to reopen the coffeehouse. all of them knew Chuck and Joni and I'd never even heard of them. as I've tried, in my stumbling fashion, to express before, this is what motivates me to try to share, as much as possible, this blessing I was given with all listers... because I didn't deserve it anymore than anyone else... 'I'm not worthy'! my pleasure, kakki... and you know, you triggered an interesting thought with this... consider... do you recall the recent thread where we were all telling our story how we came to the list? carbon copy accounts!: 'I got on the internet and the first thing I did was a search for Joni... found wally's site... etc.'! ok, now consider this: here we are, brian, cul and myself... some 34yrs later (wow, that's a long time!) all three of us on the list... all from the same coffeehouse. ok, so what do you think the odds are of that? well, actually, considering the aforementioned thread, pretty good. as a matter of fact, it seems highly UNlikely to me, anyway, that there aren't a lot more among our ranks just like us! I mean, figger the odds! here you have *three* from *one* club! so what about the chessmate crowd?! and the second fret? and the bitter end? and the riverboat? and the sippin' lizard? dollars to donuts there's a bunch of them out there lurking! waddaya think? logical? pat NP: All Along The Watchtower - Martin Sexton live! (thanks julian! wow!) http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 11:47:34 EST From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Joni's Jazz Part #1 Hello all, Patrick L. was so kind as to trade a copy of the Joni's Jazz tapes with the single request that I write a review. Well, I was really inspired by each and every performance as well as the whole show as an experience....so I reviewed everything (even the NY crowd). I am going to put it out in installments so as not to take up too much time and space. Here's part one: (Just a little note on my method of review or criticizing a work of art: If I can’t find anything positive and constructive to say I don’t say it. I try to look for what the performer is offering rather than what I necessarily want to hear. I find when I take this approach I am able to enjoy myself and my world a little more.) Julian’s Joni’s Jazz I was having a rough day. I was overtired and frustrated with the state of the world. Everything was close to the bone and unforgiving. I tried to sleep off my slump but that only made the mental mud that I was wading through thicker. I forced myself to get out of my apartment and let my walkman take me for a walk with the company of a mix tape of unreleased Joni tunes to comfort my blues. Just before I left my building, I checked the mail....a package....with two tapes....my heart leapt up from a whimper to a whoohoo-hot-damn! I took my previous choice out of the player and quickly replaced it with this new form of gold. Within the space of a couple of minutes, the world was no longer against me, and a familiar sense of meaning and hope traded places with my former confusion. (Who needs birthdays when you can be a part of the JMDL everyday?) So I’m walking down the street and Danny Kapilian’s voice comes on with an opener that invokes for me a feeling of Star Wars mythology, “A long, long time ago...” As Danny comes across with a great sense of humble pride, I can hear the classic New York audience psychoanalyzing and squabbling under their breath out of nervous anticipation. The clarity of the tape puts me right there in the thick of it. Danny Kapilian then relates his personal Joni experience of seeing the “Mingus” band on a mystical evening that is the source of his inspiration for producing this event. His story is also completing a mystical circle. For as the weather and the performance of the “Mingus” show permanently affected him twenty years ago so now does the weather in Central Park and his wishes for “the hair to be raised on the necks of everyone” in the crowd at Joni’s Jazz set the stage for a life changing experience. I’m walking in Washington, DC, in-between Q and R on 17th street on a cool, windy but sunny October day... I settle in to the voodoo being served up on my walkman I shift into surrender mode and let July 1st, the New York crowd, the weather, the performances with all their brilliance and humanity and the whole unfolding mythology wash over me. (I have “no clue what I’m in for.”) This incredible band (directed by the very versatile and passionate Vernon Reid and filled with an all star cast) starts off by rolling us in sonic waves and aural undertow before we are tossed on to the beaches of Malibu with Toshi Reagon and a “Trouble Child.” The band hits a hypnotic groove that absolutely sucks me in. The crowd is pulled in and lets go of some of their anxieties and second guesses. “Oh yeah, Joni Mitchell’s in the house!” Minu Cinelu, on percussion, puts a skip in my step as I walk down the conservative streets of DC. Toshi’s voice soars, glides and growls evoking the wild, beautiful, and fractured character of the song. I catch my breath and find a shaded bench to down on at Church and 18th. The smells and sights of rush hour synchronize with the next song.... Carl Hancock Rux and Dean Bowman’s version of “Jungle Line”. This rendition not only pays tribute but definitely takes it up a notch. I am in the darkest depths of Rousseau’s jungle with his venomous, attractive colors and exotic dangers. I am in a junkie’s shooting gallery, making deals in back alleys, navigating rivers of piranha-traffic. Through Carl Hancock Rux’s versatile power house of vocal stylings (sonic charges, death plunges, and war chief cries) I am taken to the beating heart of every native living on the edge of their civilization. Dean Bowman’s deep under-voicing helps me change lanes and frame each scene with a word or two. The band is bringing all of Joni’s urgency boiling to the surface with the swaggering bass sax, haunted organ, tribal rhythms and euphoric changing to bewildered guitars. I am swimming in dangerous water, taking chances on dark alleys, playing with unknown snakes. (How does Carl do that with his voice? I am now forever haunted by it. The last time I heard this sound was in another life, sung by a high priest, just before I was sacrificed to the gods.) .....Tune in next time when you'll hear about Jane Siberry, Ravi Coltrane and Christina Wheeler. Same JMDL time. Same JMDL channel. Julian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 12:47:55 EST From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: :o) Hissings demos and rarities!!! In a message dated 10/30/1999 8:03:41 AM Eastern Standard Time, SCJoniGuy@aol.com writes: << Unless there's some new news regarding this, Joni's said emphatically that Hits & Misses WAS her box set! BUT it would really be cool to pull about 4 discs together from all the interviews, live shows, and demos and videos and put together a "Joni Rarities" box set, much like the CSNY set that just came out...I don't know why the Record company wouldn't want to do it, there should be a guaranteed market for it, I mean Joni DOES have a core fan base that will buy her work! So my question is: What should be on Joni's Rarities box set? I for one would pick, among lots of other stuff, the early version of "All I Want" with alternate lyrics, the HOSL "Dreamland" of course, and all the second Fret stuff that never saw the light of day (Eastern Rain, Brandy Eyes, etc). Maybe even a whole disc full of the wonderful stories she tells between songs! Bob NP: MeShell, "Faithful" >> BOB!!! BOB!!!! YOU should be a record producer!! The songs you chose would be perfect!!! I would love for her to come out with a box set of rarities!! What a treat. It would also curb the bootleg sells on eBay!!! AND....what is even more interesting is that there (I'm sure) of music that we don't even know exists. Little rare gems poke there gentle little head out from no where time and time again. That is what I like finding...those rare little gemstones. I would love to get my hands on Demo from Hejira, FTR, CAS, BLUE!!! Catgirl....dreaming!!!! NP-Gallery from the BBC 1969 (just Joni) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 14:42:30 EST From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: joni for halloween Deb writes: << Last night I went to a costume party where everyone was directed to come as an influential person of the 20th century. One of the guests came as Joni Mitchell. It helped that she is naturally a dead ringer for Mia Farrow, and she accentuated her cheekbones with makeup, but the rest of her get-up was a big denim shirt and a peace symbol necklace. The stereotype lives on...sigh... >> Even though the stereotype lives on, at least the guest knew enough to choose Joni as an influential person of the 20th century. Jimmy- who is wondering who will take Bob Muller's place tomorrow at Fluor Daniel. His replacement doesn't know it yet, but when he or she signs on to Bob's old computer, they will be instantly sucked into the JMDL :-) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 31 Oct 1999 23:59:57 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Plug Of The Week #43 Hi there, Right out of the blue landed a gorgeous little CD on my desk a couple of days ago : Kevin Jones - Nobody's Father ( Lemon Tree ) Kevin Jones is the kind of artist who pours himself into his work and the result is a first rate listen. This is just the beginning for Jones - his songs will go far and wide, as will his enthusiasm and love of his craft. His folk songs (some with a bit of country, as well as blues, flavorings) covers events, dreams and everyday life occurences that are easy to identify with. As a performer, Kevin can be subtly humorous, but maintains a genteel aura that assures you he is very serious about his music. On his first album, he's accompanied by by top-flight talent, such as, Mary Chapin-Carpenter, John Jennings (producer, guitarist etc.), Pete Kennedy (Nanci Griffith, The Kennedys etc.), Ace Smith, Jane Gillman and others. Copies of his album are available from : Lemon Tree Productions 1713 18th St. NW #2 Washington DC20009 U.S.A. Phone: 202 - 483 - 9589 Email: Kevmar4@aol.com Great, great album! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #247 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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