From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #237 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, October 24 1999 Volume 01 : Number 237 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Dial 911! Mark needs help! [Richard Rice ] Joni Does Standards (Re: Dial 911! Mark needs help!) [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Dial 911! Mark needs help! [Mark Domyancich ] The Millennium Countdown Game [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: Joni Does Standards (Re: Dial 911! Mark needs hel.p!) [RMuRocks@aol.c] Re: The Millennium Countdown Game [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Dial 911! Mark needs help! [Linda Worster ] Re: DED's defenders [j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi] Re: Dial 911! Mark needs help! ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni Does Standards (Re: Dial 911! Mark needs help!) ["Mark or Travis] SoCal JMDL'ers (Joni-related) ["Kakki" ] Tape Tip ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Old Story ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] Re: The Millennium Countdown Game [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: The Millennium Countdown Game [Phyliss Ward ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 01:58:23 -0500 From: Richard Rice Subject: Dial 911! Mark needs help! Quickly, someone call 911!!! Mark are you ok? Somebody check his pulse. Is there a doctor on this list? - --For those who missed it Mark Domyancich wrote that Joni's soon to be in our mitts, covers CD is the first project of hers that has him totally uninspired! Sorry to hear that Mark. To a degree I can understand your feelings. I too would love to have Joni produce new material rather than revisit old material, hers or otherwise. And the absence of her guitar being front and center is enough to make me weep. It's enough to make you wonder what about all this will be hers? Well worry not my friend. I think you are in for a pleasant surprise. Foremost, we are going to be treated to a sampling of her tastes in music. The lyrics and themes she finds inspiring in other people will be an insight and reflection on hers. I think we will all gain a deeper appreciation of the woman having a touch or taste of what thrills her musically, intellectually and spiritually. Then there is the warmth and richness of how she interprets the material. For my money Joni has been on an ever improving path as a singer. She may not have the range of her youth but what is lost has been replaced with a marvelously grand feeling for interpreting a song. Certainly the live Shadows and Light is testament to that. Save for Coyote, every song is rendered better than the studio release. Her pitch took a leap forward, and rather than just sing the song she tells the story of the song in this album, with great wit, color, and clarity of emotional tone. Her jazz inflections are more assured here than on any earlier piece. Joni herself has commented that this band she worked with made her a hundred times better singer. And in spite of those wretched smokes of hers (!) she has gotten better! Even my best friend, who listens only to the great jazz singers, commented that he likes her covers of Jazz material. "My god," he said, regarding Trouble Man," she's learned to interpret songs with such emotion!" Lastly, the arrangements will be a treat to hear. Certainly her compositional ability to write, edit, and direct the play of others all but guarantees us fits of happy happy joy. OK, so it won't be the new material you and I would prefer. But it will be damn fine music! --And if it has inspired her to continue writing and performing, God bless us all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - -Hi all! Gosh its hard to write here without wanting to thank and greet everyone individually! John Calimee. By the way, Mark. I am in Dekalb Il. Sixty miles west of Chicago, just as the corn fields begin... is that anywhere near you or other listers. Would be nice to meet as a group and maybe do a micro fest, group listen to the new Joni disk. What do you say to that fellow midwesterners? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:19:11 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Joni Does Standards (Re: Dial 911! Mark needs help!) In a message dated 10/23/99 12:07:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, f40rmr1@corn.cso.niu.edu writes: << hen there is the warmth and richness of how she interprets the material. For my money Joni has been on an ever improving path as a singer. She may not have the range of her youth but what is lost has been replaced with a marvelously grand feeling for interpreting a song. >> What a wonderful post! And with this, I would like to add that Colin's Ms. Simon can come to the rescue. A number of years ago, Carly Simon released an album called "Torch." It was mostly covers of standards and many of them, she interpreted and made them her own. Supposedly recorded at the height of her break up with James Taylor, there is a gut wrenching quality to her vocals on some of the songs. To hear her sing: "Hurt" and hear that opening: "I'm hurt........" that literally drips with pain is something else. She adds a wonderfully poignant note to other covers such as Hoagy Carmichael's "I Get Along Without You Very Well." Soundheim's "Not a Day Goes By," is another lush performance. I'm sitting here listening to this album as I write and I'm thinking about how when an artist starts with previously created material, it's a real test of their genius to embrace it and make it theirs. They just don't sing it, they inject it with their own unique artistic DNA to render it just about a completely new song. If Joni's rendition of "Comes Love" is any indication, I think that it won't take many listenings to forget that these are not 100% born and bred of her heart, the same as any other "real" Joni song. And that's the news from pre-dawn California...... MG np: Carly Simon: "Not A Day Goes By" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 10:37:37 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Dial 911! Mark needs help! I think it needs to be clarified that I would like Joni to revisit old material but I wish she would not do this jazz standards album if she's not going to add any new material to it. I'm getting the impression she would do such an album. I was dissapointed with TTT because those new songs we heard before the album came out, Face Lift and Love's Cries, sounded so... good? on her acoustic and once she played them on that VG-8 they lost that feel. Also, TTT is so same throughout-I think she uses that 0 12 12 12 12 0 shape on every song. > Well worry not my friend. I think you are in for a pleasant surprise. > Foremost, we are going to be treated to a sampling of her tastes in > music. The lyrics and themes she finds inspiring in other people will be > an insight and reflection on hers. I think we will all gain a deeper > appreciation of the woman having a touch or taste of what thrills her > musically, intellectually and spiritually. Well I will be interested in how she plays A Case of You on the album. I heard it last night on the CD tree from Japan 83 and I was really blown away with how her voice sounded with her dulcimer-her voice sounds the same today as then. I think Joni should put out new stuff at the same time as this album, imo. > By the way, Mark. I am in Dekalb Il. Sixty miles west of Chicago, just > as the corn fields begin... is that anywhere near you or other listers. > Would be nice to meet as a group and maybe do a micro fest, group listen > to the new Joni disk. What do you say to that fellow midwesterners? Ooh, I know all about those corn fields- a few blocks from where I live they start and it seems like they never end... I'm on the other side of the state, just on the Mississippi, but it would be really cool to have a meet and greet in this area! ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | ICQ: 21619464 AIM: CalifKitch | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 08:57:47 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: The Millennium Countdown Game Hi gang and happy Saturday! Here's the next installment of KINK's millennium countdown to be six degree'd. (I'm giving Helen a head start since the list delivery has been a little screwed up for the last couple of days, at least it has been for me.) 79 Ray Charles    78 John Mellencamp    77 Marvin Gaye    76 Hank Williams    75 Bruce Cockburn    74 Chicago    73 Patsy Cline    72 Simon & Garfunkel    71 Carole King    70 Lyle Lovett ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:11:58 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Does Standards (Re: Dial 911! Mark needs hel.p!) In a message dated 10/23/99 6:21:25 AM US Central Standard Time, MGVal@aol.com writes: << If Joni's rendition of "Comes Love" is any indication, I think that it won't take many listenings to forget that these are not 100% born and bred of her heart, the same as any other "real" Joni song. >> True MG, and a better example for me is her torchy take on "Stormy Weather"! When I first heard it, I was listening to Brian's copy of the Tape Tree and I was in the parking lot at my hotel in NJ listening in the car...the emotion Joni brought to this song made me weep openly...I'm sure I looked like a goonie sitting in the parking lot crying but I couldn't help it...I wasn't ready for that powerful take - Joni's voice was so powerful...again, on the live "Summertime" from Day In the Garden, the same feeling. I think her Valentine's Day release is going to be special indeed! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:15:30 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: The Millennium Countdown Game In a message dated 10/23/99 9:59:41 AM US Central Standard Time, zapuppy2@webtv.net writes: << Hi gang and happy Saturday! >> And a happy one back atcha Sis! OK Helen, or whoever, have at 'em...I'm laying low like a snake in the grass til Sunday night! :~) Bob ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 12:14:34 -0400 From: Linda Worster Subject: Re: Dial 911! Mark needs help! Mark wrote: > >Well I will be interested in how she plays A Case of You on the album. I >heard it last night on the CD tree from Japan 83 and I was really blown away >with how her voice sounded with her dulcimer-her voice sounds the same today >as then. One of the most beautiful sounds I have ever heard in my life was in a concert that Joni gave in the summer of 1973 (?... I think that was the year...) in Boston. Just her voice and the dulicimer for a couple of tunes... oooooweeeeee.... I can still hear it in my head! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 02:13:18 +0300 From: j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi Subject: Re: DED's defenders > Personally I actually love ALL of Joni's albums - I love some a little > more > than others, but they're all still loved. But here's an easy method > to > enable everyone on the JMDL to say they absolutely love DED. Just > compare > it to any of the following: > > Spice Girls - Spiceworld > Mariah Carey - Sing-A-Long (Karaoke) > Geri Halliwell - Schizophrenic Ha! Isn't it "Schizophonic"...?! Great slip! She should probably be admitted anyway. And yes, I love DED too. If all her albums were like that, it would probably(?) be too much, but that one is a jewel. - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 13:59:02 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Dial 911! Mark needs help! > > Then there is the warmth and richness of how she interprets the > material. For my money Joni has been on an ever improving path as a > singer. She may not have the range of her youth but what is lost has > been replaced with a marvelously grand feeling for interpreting a song. Wonderful post & I couldn't agree more! Welcome Richard! Let us hear more from you! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 14:05:59 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni Does Standards (Re: Dial 911! Mark needs help!) > A number of years ago, Carly Simon released an album called "Torch." It was > mostly covers of standards and many of them, she interpreted and made them > her own. Supposedly recorded at the height of her break up with James Taylor, > there is a gut wrenching quality to her vocals on some of the songs. To hear > her sing: "Hurt" and hear that opening: "I'm hurt........" that literally > drips with pain is something else. She adds a wonderfully poignant note to > other covers such as Hoagy Carmichael's "I Get Along Without You Very Well." > Soundheim's "Not a Day Goes By," is another lush performance. Torch is probably my favorite of the 70's-pop-singer-does-standards albums. Carly managed to sing those songs very honestly and beautifully and yet make them very much her own. She's done two other similar records since and neither one of them is nearly as good, imo. I'm very excited about Joni's upcoming album. I'm so glad there's a healthy dose of Billie Holiday tunes on there. I'll be very interested in hearing what Joni does with 'I'll Get By'. Billie's interpretation practically rewrote the melody which originally had a decidedly sentimental quality to it. Billie made it cool but meaningful at the same time. How will Joni sing it, I wonder? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 16:10:07 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: SoCal JMDL'ers (Joni-related) Joni's old friend Eric Anderson is performing tonight at McCabe's Music Shop in Santa Monica at 8 p.m. McCabe's has a display of several photos of Joni with Eric in the dulcimer section of the store. Eric also performed at Joni's Jazz in Central Park last summer. I would love to see this show but have other plans to see Jeff Pevar and Michael Ruff again tonight at the La Ve Lee in Studio City. I would love to hear a report if anyone from the list gets the chance to catch Eric's show tonight. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:19:34 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Tape Tip Remember to use the "Normal" setting, not "High Bias". Don't let the peaks get above 0 dB or you'll get tape overload. There is none of the headroom above 0 dB that you'll get with "High Bias" tapes. Names-------- The left hand words represent the first generation of tape formulation, called Normal. Normal High Bias Type I Type II Ferric Chrome - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:23:06 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Old Story Joni said that John Lennon asked her "Oh, why don't ya put fiddles on it so you don't have *other* people having your hits for you?" - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 20:48:14 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: The Millennium Countdown Game In a message dated 23/10/99 16:59:41 GMT Daylight Time, zapuppy2@webtv.net gives us the next batch, so here goes: 79 Ray Charles - Sang I Don't Need No Doctor, written by Ashford and Simpson, as was Ain't No Mountain High Enough, which was sung by Marvin Gaye, whose Trouble Man Joni sang    78 John Mellencamp - Blimey, this ain't gonna be easy. Who voted for him anyway?? I admit I had to cheat and look him up, and discovered that he used to be managed by Tony De Fries, who was also David Bowie's manager in the 70s. David Bowie did a song with Pat Metheny, who of course graced Joni's records.    77 Marvin Gaye - Well, in the light of no. 79, this is all too easy!    76 Hank Williams - His song I Heard That Lonesome Whistle Blow was covered by Clive Gregson and Christine Collister on the same album on which they covered The Same Situation    75 Bruce Cockburn - The Whole Night Sky was the lead off track on the last but one album by... Christine Collister again! She's also sung Shades Of Scarlett Conquering    74 Chicago - Bloody Hell, who voted for THEM??? Well, um, let me see, Pete Cetera sang the song from one of the Karate Kid films, which starred Noriko Morika, aka Uncle Pat in Happy Days, which also starred Ron Howard, who went on to direct Appollo 13, which starred Kevin Bacon, who appeared in Diner with Ellen Barkin, who played with (!) Dennis Quaid in the Big Easy; Dennis Q played Jerry Lee Lewis, with Winona Ryder as his child bride; Winona starred in Reality Bites with Ethan Hawke, who starred in Alive, which also featured Illeana Douglas, which FINALLY brings us to Grace Of My Heart!!    73 Patsy Cline - Her signature tune, Crazy, was written by Willy Nelson, who sang with Joni on Cool Water    72 Simon & Garfunkel - There's probably hundreds of ways; the first path that came to me was that Los Lobos played on Graceland; David Hidalgo from LL played on Suzanne Vega's In Liverpool, Vega has sung more than once with Shawn Colvin, which brings us to the Larry Klein connection    71 Carole King - I assume I don't need to spell this one out...    70 Lyle Lovett - I'm sure this should be easy, but nothing springs to mind (possibly because it's 1.45 in the morning!). He was in Short Cuts, also featuring Tom Waits, whose Broken Bicycles was covered by Mathilde Santing, who has also covered I Had A King. Phew. It's way past my bedtime!! The Chicago one took bloody ages! Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 23 Oct 1999 19:45:37 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: The Millennium Countdown Game AzeemAK@aol.com wrote: > 78 John Mellencamp - Blimey, this ain't gonna be easy. Who voted for him > anyway?? Actually, it is easy if you were able to see the recent VH1 "Women of Rock" special. You don't get that in London though do you? In the Joni clip, John was interviewed and said something to the effect of "there is nobody who compares to Joni Mitchell. She is it." The man has exemplary taste! > I admit I had to cheat and look him up, and discovered that he used > to be managed by Tony De Fries, who was also David Bowie's manager in the > 70s. David Bowie did a song with Pat Metheny, who of course graced Joni's > records. > - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #237 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?