From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #232 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, October 20 1999 Volume 01 : Number 232 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: being joni for halloween ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: in defense of lawyers (sort of).... ["Catherine McKay" ] HOSL Demos [Jamie Zubairi ] RE: songwriting JMDLers? (NJ) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: A "Blue"/"TI" title connection? ["Kakki" ] RE: in defense of lawyers (sort of).... ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: A "Blue"/"TI" title connection? ["Catherine McKay" ] Amelia Earhart ["John Low" ] Fw: Henrys Gallery ["Kakki" ] Re: Henrys Gallery [Mark Domyancich ] News on Joni's Next Album [Wally Breese ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:16:26 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: being joni for halloween Catman suggests to Ryan that for his Hallowe'en Joni costume, he "Try the outfit she wore for that photo on FTR. You won't be forgotten." Try faking THAT! Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 13:40:17 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: in defense of lawyers (sort of).... Marcel said: "Whats interesting to me is the the real loan sharks in the world today are the banks with their fees, but Joni doesnt mention them." You got that right! It used to be that people put their money in the bank so they wouldn't have to hide it under the mattress, and they'd collect a little interest on it as well. These days, we should probably just go back to the cash-under-the-mattress system, since the banks charge you more in fees than you could possibly ever make off the paltry interest they pay - unless, of course, you have huge amounts of money invested in the bank. They're not interested in little consumer/investors anymore. Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 08:34:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: A "Blue"/"TI" title connection? I'm sure I'm not the first to ask this question ... but does anyone think that "TI" was intentionally titled as a counterpart to the earlier, and in many ways, just a melancholy "Blue"? It strikes me that "Indigo" is, in fact, an even bluer shade of "Blue" -- or I just working overtime on the semantics? ===== Don Rowe "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 17:41:35 +0100 From: Jamie Zubairi Subject: HOSL Demos Dear List How did whoever get their hands on the HOSL demos? It is a truly wonderful thing and I would like to thank them. Much Joni Jamie Zubairi ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:32:38 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: songwriting JMDLers? (NJ) I tried to respond to this earlier, but it seems our server crashed. You mentioned: "when lines come to me that never get used cos they don't get in my head as I'm writing a song, they'll just flash into my brain on a drive, and I write them down..." Even worse, is when they flash into your brain and you don't have anything to write 'em down with! You then said: "some of mine are (and these really ARE silly) "I cried in the shower my camouflaged tears" and "the tallest trees were powerlines" and "the diamonds of broken bottles bounce of my high beams, road-side jewellery stores of the dark" Actually, I like the trees/powerlines thing - evokes a bleak sort of landscape - I think that could work. My one brush with fame was when, over 20 years ago when I was 20, 21 or so, I had a few poems published in a collection of poetry that was meant to represent *new* Canadian poets. As part of its launch, we poets (haha!) were invited to do a reading at St Lawrence Centre in Toronto. Many of the, uh, poets, were genuinely nice people, but others were just so affected - you know, the kind that smoke French cigarettes and go around with that "I am an artiste" kind of air. They even get their photos taken through a gauzy filmy thing to make them look more artsy and they have these deep, serious looks on their faces. I just can't get into that. I don't take myself that seriously (I hope!) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:16:29 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: A "Blue"/"TI" title connection? Don wrote: > I'm sure I'm not the first to ask this question ... > but does anyone think that "TI" was intentionally > titled as a counterpart to the earlier, and in many > ways, just a melancholy "Blue"? It strikes me that > "Indigo" is, in fact, an even bluer shade of "Blue" -- > or I just working overtime on the semantics? That's always been my impression and interpretation on both counts. Recently while going back through Joni's first songbook I found the earliest reference to indigo in the first verse of the song Moon in the Mirror from 1966 (a precursor to Moon at the Window? ;-) Pat Henry, have you ever heard her sing this one? Moon in the mirror Won't you stay awhile tonight? All things of beauty Are too soon out of sight I know it's a selfish plea You must light the hearts of more than me There's a girl at her window Now she's trying to catch your eye But oh, pretty stranger You must keep on passing by Moon in the mirror, I don't know you Just a reflection of kisses And whispers and indigo skies Moon in the mirror, look below you Moon's looking back and they're loving And longing and telling no lies Moon in the mirror And then there is the second verse of Melody in Your Name from 1967 (which has the most gorgeous melody) where the blue/moon thing is happening again ;-) Night now comes much bluer than it used to be The pink nun sings much sadder than before She sings sometimes things aren't what they seem to be Like moons reflected on the sixteenth floor Love is no more, it's ended Paper and pins won't mend it Even the moon pretended Kakki NP: Change Your Opinion on Love - Mac McAnally ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 19:49:39 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: RE: in defense of lawyers (sort of).... Brett starts off with: "I am a lawyer," and ends with: "Why are lawyers all "liitle" to Joni? She makes me feel bad and dumb, and I'm going through enough self doubt on my own without having to be reminded af all the bad lawyers and judges in the world." Aww, Brett. Don't feel bad. She's not talking about you! ;) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 12:24:04 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: songwriting JMDLers? (NJ) Catherine wrote: > You then said: "some of mine are (and these really ARE silly) "I cried in > the shower my camouflaged tears" and "the tallest trees > were powerlines" and "the diamonds of broken bottles bounce of my high > beams, road-side jewellery stores of the dark" > > Actually, I like the trees/powerlines thing - evokes a bleak sort of > landscape - I think that could work. I'm getting into all these fantastic lyrics so much I say this year the "JMDL Cookbook," next year the "JMDL Book of Poems and Lyrics!!" Congratulations on being published, Catherine! > Many, uh, poets, were genuinely nice people, but others were just so affected - > you know, the kind that smoke French cigarettes and go around with that "I > am an artiste" kind of air. They even get their photos taken through a > gauzy filmy thing to make them look more artsy and they have these deep, > serious looks on their faces. Wow, I knew those same guys in art school!! ;-D Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 20:24:35 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: A "Blue"/"TI" title connection? Don asks: >I'm sure I'm not the first to ask this question ... >but does anyone think that "TI" was intentionally >titled as a counterpart to the earlier, and in many >ways, just a melancholy "Blue"? It strikes me that >"Indigo" is, in fact, an even bluer shade of "Blue" -- >or I just working overtime on the semantics? > The thought has struck me as well. I don't think you're off base at all. Blue was a melancholy phase, TI more angry, but both coming from a dark place. Even in the title songs -- in "Blue", Joni knows "hell is the hippest way to go" but she's going to stick around and try it anyway. It's almost like, at that point, she felt she *had* to go through hell and didn't know or even care if she would come out of it or not. In "Turbulent Indigo", she's raging about people who hang the madman's paintings in homes he would never have been allowed to go into. "He'd piss in their fireplace. He'd drag them through turbulent indigo". (They want to buy his paintings because now they're worth money, but they don't want to know anything about where they came from and what was going on in the painter's mind, or the sordidness of poverty and madness.) Catherine (in Toronto) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 23:55:01 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Plug Of The Week #41 Hi there, This is the first time I'm plugging a CD of poems by a raving radical poet : Chris Chandler - Collaborations ( Prime CD ) He is known for expressing controversial ideas through his work, and asking dangerous and thought-provoking questions. In his original, insightful style, this pop/rock troubadour lays it all out on the table with intelligence, wit and humor. If the world of folk music were transformed into a schoolroom, Chris would be the one labeled "problem child" or "bad influence" by by his teachers, but secretely admired by his classmates. Chandler's admiring peers, however, do not keep it a secret. Shawn Mullins and Dan Bern have gone on record to say that much of what they do was influenced by Chris' work. "Collaborations" began as a lucky accident. In 1996, Tom Prasada-Rao invited Chris to the stage to sit in with him. "I'm not a very good singer or guitarist" says Chandler, "so I just did one of my poems in the middle of Tom's song". That performance, exposed a new technique in the art of songcraft: The use of the poem as a musical instrument. "Collaborations", a collection of such duets recorded over the past three years, features Chandler with, among others, Dan Bern, Chuck Brodsky, Catie Curtis, Ellis Paul, Martin Sexton, Dar Williams and Peter Yarrow. "This album is a friends and family project", says Chandler. "We all came out of the same open-mike sessions and came up to the festival level at the same time". Copies of this beautiful album is available from : Prime CD 111 East 14th. St. Suite 300 New York NY 10003 U.S.A. Tel: 212 - 366 - 5982 Fax: 212 - 366 - 0615 Email: mail@primecd.com Website: http://www.primecd.com Great album by a bald artist! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 15:15:37 PDT From: "John Low" Subject: Amelia Earhart Thought you might be interested in the following: "Sleuths Seek Flyer's Bones" This is a headline I came across in a newspaper here the other day. Apparently, a team of Americans is searching in Fiji for a crate that they think might contain the bones of Amelia Earhart. The remains, stored it seems by the British in Fiji, were originally discovered by a Fijian naval officer in 1940 on the island of Nikumaroro. This small uninhabited island, now a part of Kiribati, is where the search team believe Earhart and her navigator, Fred Noonan, might have crashed and died in 1937. The bones were originally identified as those of a man but a re-examination of the medical report has suggested the skeleton might be that of "a white female of Northern European background". "A ghost of aviation She was swallowed by the sky Or by the sea, like me she had a dream to fly Like Icarus ascending On beautiful foolish arms Amelia, it was just a false alarm." I wonder if their search will be "just [another] false alarm"! John (in Sydney). ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 18:34:43 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Fw: Henrys Gallery Just got this from Henry's list. I've been wanting to get this CD ROM forever. A number were given out at Ashara's to some lucky people in the raffle. Also, some info on his special on the Learning Channel. Kakki > Fall is here and the holidays are not far behind. We are announcing a > special offer to our list members and to our customers not available on > our main website. Our CD ROM "Under The Covers" is now available for a > limited time at $19.95 plus $4.99 shipping and handeling. Formatted for PC > and MAC we think this would make a great gift this holiday. It's simple to > order. Just click to http://www.henrysgallery.com/specialoffer.html and > fill out the easy direct order form. > > Our one hour TV special on TLC called "California Rock, Under The Covers > will air Saturday night, February 26 at 9:00PM. The show features Henry > Diltz and Gary Burden's journey through Southern California during the > days of the Doors, Eagles, CSN and CSN&Y and many other bands of that > time. Sorry, we have no suicides or drug overdoses of rock stars in the > program. Just honest stories and great music and fun. That's how we > remember those days. > > Thanks for reading. Henry, Peter and gang > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, write to peterb-unsubscribe@listbot.com > Start Your Own FREE Email List at http://www.listbot.com/ > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 1999 22:30:37 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Henrys Gallery Anybody know what channel this will be on? ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | ICQ: 21619464 AIM: CalifKitch | |_________________________________| >> Our one hour TV special on TLC called "California Rock, Under The Covers >> will air Saturday night, February 26 at 9:00PM. The show features Henry >> Diltz and Gary Burden's journey through Southern California during the >> days of the Doors, Eagles, CSN and CSN&Y and many other bands of that >> time. Sorry, we have no suicides or drug overdoses of rock stars in the >> program. Just honest stories and great music and fun. That's how we >> remember those days. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 19 Oct 99 23:48:34 -0700 From: Wally Breese Subject: News on Joni's Next Album Hi everyone, Joni phoned to tell me how excited she is about her just-completed album of standards, recorded this past July in London. The tracks were arranged for a full orchestra, with Joni acting as the vocalist, a la Frank Sinatra. In fact, she recorded one song done originally by Sinatra, as well as other tunes sung by Billie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald, and other romantic pop singers. She also took another pass at two of her own classic tunes, "Both Sides Now" and "A Case Of You." Joni refers to her new album as "A History Of North American Romantic Love In The Twentieth Century." On the first day in the studio, Joni told me that she recorded four tunes with the full 71 piece orchestra; on the second day, four more songs went down with a 40 piece; and then on the third day, it was wittled down to a big band ensemble for the final four songs. She told me how a bunch of the older, jaded players had huddled into the playback booth and teared up when they listened to the playbacks. The album could be released as early as Valentines Day (and I do mean in the year 2000, not 2001). Joni says that the record company is very pleased with the tracks and has committed to putting a good deal of promotion behind the album's release. (Wonderful!) Her latest project has given Joni the idea of doing an entire album of her own songs in this format. She mentioned to me re-doing songs such as "Ludwig's Tune" with an orchestra. The 12 songs on her upcoming album (tentatively titled Both Sides Now): You're My Thrill At Last Comes Love You've Changed Answer Me, My Love A Case Of You Don't Go To Strangers It All Depends On You I'll Get By Stormy Weather I Wish I Were In Love Again Both Sides Now I'll have an official conversation with Joni, talking about her new album, as well as other subjects, up on the pages of JM.COM soon. Oh, yes! Joni has also just recorded "a little singing" on a track for Brian Blade's second album with his group, The Fellowship. That album should be out early next year. Later, Wally Breese The Joni Mitchell Homepage http://www.JoniMitchell.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #232 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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