From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #230 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Monday, October 18 1999 Volume 01 : Number 230 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: being joni for halloween [catman ] Re: "Nice thread" Lyrics on a Joni string [Julian51469@aol.com] Re: in defense of lawyers (sort of).... [RMuRocks@aol.com] Joni shopping bliss [Leslie Mixon ] Re: in defense of lawyers (sort of).... [MDESTE1@aol.com] "He.lp Me"... I can't find the pic [Bounced Message ] i am lost [Bounced Message ] Re: "He.lp Me"... I can't find the pic ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Lord of the Rings - SJC ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: in defense of lawyers (sort of).... ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: English weather (SJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Plug Of The Week #40 ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Re: being joni for halloween ["Kelly Loughran" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 10:43:44 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: being joni for halloween the other one Wally Kairuz wrote: > you mean the on the cover or the other one? > wallyk > ----- Mensaje original ----- > De: catman > Para: Ryan Lantrip > CC: > Enviado: Sábado 16 de Octubre de 1999 21:35 > Asunto: Re: being joni for halloween > > > Try the outfit she wore for that photo on FTR. You won't be forgotten. > > - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:26:54 EDT From: Julian51469@aol.com Subject: Re: "Nice thread" Lyrics on a Joni string Hello All, Bill Dollinger said, I thought I might follow on the thread of Joni-inspired lyrics. Yes it is an inspiring and overwhelming thing to listen to Joni and then try it oneself...I still do that sometimes but it has occurred to me: When I'm painting I rarely look at other painters unless I'm doing a copy of them...I usually listen to music and usually the music doesn't have any words or at least none that I can understand (Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, Tuatara, Harmonic Choir, Michael Hedges, Os Mutantes etc). I play music to complement my painting (I was even trying to build soundtracks for my paintings at one point and recently I have been cutting the face and sides out of guitars, installing a convex mirror in the back behind the soundhole and collaging the remaining insides...music becoming my visual art). I have noticed that the way Joni paints (recently), subject matter, composition, impressionist technique has a direct link to her lyrics, chord layering, rhythms, melodies and form. Taming of the Tiger, I think, is perhaps her most painterly album to date ("I wish I had a VG8") with its layers, translucent forms, aqueous rooms and emerging and folded light. From noticing this about Joni's painting and music it has given me greater strength in all of my forms of expression - especially my visual and musical arts. For the sake of sharing, here is some of my lyrics that I'm proud of setting to music: Angels and vampires Both want to become human but humans just want to become Angels and vampires Both want to become human but humans just want to become... Fetus surrounded by blood and tissue and bone Halo on its head the undead just looking for a home The full moon Setting over the water Through the trees Tugging at my insides Tugging at my bones Feeling its gravity But the weight of the world Pulls it all back to me Pulls me back to my bed While I wait on this world By a thread Angels and vampires Both want to become human but humans just want to become Angels and vampires Both want to become human but humans just want to become... I feel my eyes roll Towards heaven As this noise in my groin Sinks like a stone I'm just looking Looking for a home But the full moon Setting over the water Through the trees Tugging at my insides Tugging at my bones Feeling its gravity But the weight of the world Pulls it all back to me Pulls me back to my bed While I wait on this world By a thread Angels and vampires Both want to become human but humans just want to become Angels and vampires Both want to become human but humans just want to become... copyright JMP's Song '96 (Don't worry folks I wrote this a while back and I'm feeling quite fine now) In closing, I must say that I just love being a part of a family (JMDL at the hub of this particular tribe) of artists of all shapes, sizes and all levels of obscurity and lime-lit brilliance because you all feed me and let me know that I'm not alone....that I'm a part of something larger than simply my life (chicken scratchin' for a piece of immortality...no less). Julian ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:42:20 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: in defense of lawyers (sort of).... Bill D said: << seriously tho, i just never have felt that lawyers and loan sharks are at the top of the list of what is wrong in the world today. But we all know that Joni Mitchell Never Lies, so what gives? thoughts? >> I think I may have said this before, and Joni's certainly addressed it as well, but lawyers and loan sharks wouldn't exist without *clients*...I suppose both professions offer a useful and necessary service, but why would someone use a "loan shark" except to pay the price for their OWN runaway greed. Likewise, many use lawyers to try and circumvent the consequences of their own actions...So when she says: "Lawyers & Loan Sharks are laying America to waste" She's not LYING per se, but rather just expressing an over-generalization. "No Apologies" is an interesting song, if I look it as a painting it's almost a collage as opposed to a focused single idea. She's got the General defending the troops for raping a Japanese girl, the whole Juan/Freddy thing (whatever's up with that), and the chorus itself that barely seems to relate to any of it...maybe it's one of those "pot luck" songs where she takes some scraps and makes a musical quilt. Or, more likely, there's more there than I can see now and the significance of the song will grow as I do... Bob NP: Cornershop, "Good Shit" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:40:57 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Joni shopping bliss I've had mixed feelings about the buying and selling of Joni related articles on ebay. I reflect on the lyric to "Banquet" - "...some get the gravy, some get the gristle..." I bid for a songbook once, because I wanted to learn the song. When the price for a book that originally sold for $5.95 went above $85, I knew I was out of the picture. Friday, my last weekday as an unemployed person,(I start my new job on Monday) I strolled downtown Santa Cruz reflecting on the 10-year anniversary since the earthquake. I remember October 17, 1989, as clear as a bell. One of the businesses that has survived is "Logos Books & Records" - new and used. One of my favorite things to do is to scan the carts with the "new" arrivals. I could not believe my eyes, the "Court & Spark" songbook - asking price $3.60. My heart practically leaped out of my mouth. Feeling "lucky" I strolled over to the LP bin and checked out the Joni section - even though I already have all the LPs - and then I saw it, "lights out in georgia" - price $15. This is enough to inspire me to pick up the old guitar again and try to develop callouses. It's intimidating since I'm married to a very accomplished musician - even though he's very supportive, I think, "I'll stick to singing - why should I even embarrass myself with a stringed instrument in front of him?" Although I could always practice when he's not home. Anyway, there are still moments of Joni shopping bliss to be had... Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 13:05:16 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: in defense of lawyers (sort of).... Lawyers are no different than any other factor in society. they are invaluable and do much good. On the other hand there is no doubt that they have their own proprietary interests and make obscene amounts of money in tort litigation and have fought tooth and nail to prevent reform of Tort litigation law. States which have limited Lawyers fees and damages in medical malpractice have lower medical costs for all citizens. States with unlimited damages have the highest costs of medical care in the country. This is not good for the people. The tort lobby has spent millions to fight reform simply because they love those billion dollar judgements of which they get hundreds of millions of dollars in fees. This is just one example. But who really thinks that to rid the country of lawyers would be a good thing? As for loan sharks....the classic loan shark will loan money to those who can not get a loan because they cant possibly qualify (rare in the world today) but then they lodge physical threats towards the person when they cant meet the extortionary loan rates (like 50% a month). Whats interesting to me is the the real loan sharks in the world today are the banks with their fees, but Joni doesnt mention them. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:58:48 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: "He.lp Me"... I can't find the pic From: "Chris&Tim" Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:48:28 -0500 Hello everyone! I am new to the list, and have just been "lurking" the past few days. I am 31, and have been a Joni fan since the first time a friend had me listen to Blue. Love at first note!! Anyway, my question is this. I once had a pic of Joni, that I found on the web. When my puter crashed, I lost it. It was black and white, and Joni was sitting by a flowering vine, Jasmine, I think. She was also wearing a hat. Can anyone lead me to the pic again? Any help would be greatly appreciated!!! Thanks, Chris Joni... the only joy in town ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:54:33 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: i am lost From: "smarcaurele" Date: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 11:51:37 -0400 i am lost feel as if the page is a swirl do i want to find it? can I find it? will i be ushered aside? i am astonished, smiled, surprized to have a line of likeness to you i deal in bits and bytes and hardware feel a deep passion for water cool, clear water definitely cool, clear water but where do i find it? and once found this insignificant bit occasionally capable of bytes would be worthy of a drink that fills to the very toes!?! i am not the one whose soul has stroked my soul all these years with a view thank you ladies of this internet canyon for your kind words but i am just s. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 14:51:25 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: Re: "He.lp Me"... I can't find the pic Go to Wally's site at http://jonimitchell.com then go to the Bio section and under that you will find "Just Rewards 1995-1997" go to part 2 and it's a little more than halfway down the page. Bounced Message wrote: > From: "Chris&Tim" > Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:48:28 -0500 > > Hello everyone! I am new to the list, and have just been "lurking" the > past few days. > > I am 31, and have been a Joni fan since the first time a friend had me > listen to Blue. Love at first note!! > Anyway, my question is this. I once had a pic of Joni, that I found on > the web. When my puter crashed, I lost it. It was black and white, and > Joni was sitting by a flowering vine, Jasmine, I think. She was also > wearing a hat. Can anyone lead me to the pic again? > Any help would be greatly appreciated!!! > Thanks, Chris > Joni... the only joy in town ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 11:58:40 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Lord of the Rings - SJC It makes me think of the elves going to > the shores to catch a ship out West, leaving middle earth to go to the > havens... > The old synchronicity strikes again. This is two Tolkien references that I've read this morning on the JMDL. Recently I started reading 'The Lord of the Rings' again for the 5th or 6th time. Apparently the movies are supposed to start shooting soon and the plan is to shoot all three films at the same time. I read that Cate Blanchett has been signed to play Galadriel. At least she's an actress with talent and class. Galadriel is my favorite character in the trilogy and Loth-Lorien the place in Middle Earth I would most like to visit. I always pictured Galadriel as looking something like the young Joni. Joni has always had a look in her eyes that made her seem older & wiser beyond her years. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 12:22:32 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: in defense of lawyers (sort of).... Bob wrote about 'No Apology' ...maybe it's one of those "pot luck" songs where she takes some > scraps and makes a musical quilt. > > Or, more likely, there's more there than I can see now and the significance > of the song will grow as I do... I see the focus of this song as being on a mode of behavior or attitude rather than a specific event or group of people. She's talking about a bullying, destructive impulse that seems to drive the specific incidents and people she mentions in the song. I do think she personalizes more than is good for the getting across of her message, though. The references to Freddy & Juan (which I think most probably refers to Jann Wenner as someone has previously suggested) and also to lawyers seem to me to be Joni doing some personal axe-grinding. Sort of detracts from any point she might be trying to make about the destructive behaviors of people in power. Makes it seem kind of petty. The song really starts out strong with the verse about the Japanese girl but unfortunately it doesn't follow through.... Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 17:14:31 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: "He.lp Me"... I can't find the pic Chris de-lurks to say: >> Hello everyone! I am new to the list, and have just been "lurking" the past few days. >> Welcome, Chris...sorry I can't help you with the pic, but just wanted to take the opportunity to say hello and welcome! Bob NP: XTC: "The Last Balloon" ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 15:18:23 -0700 From: pmeyer Subject: Re Joni in the checkout line I heard a Muzak version of "Just Like This Train" in our grocery store yesterday. As much as I love hearing the song, I wish it hadn't been converted to a perky symphonic arrangement. Paul M ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 16:22:27 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: English weather (SJC) > FMYFL@aol.com wrote: > > > I would love to visit the UK, but from what I understand the winters are > > > rainy and cold. > > Colin wrote: > > Well you heard right. It does get cold and wet. Much colder up north. > > That was my experience, in London at least, last fall/winter. As > Christmas drew nearer it got increasingly cold, wet, and gloomy, but not > cold enough to snow or even look like it was going to snow -- which made > it depressing for me, coming from Colorado, where that was such an > essential part of the Christmas holiday to me. The weather in London > reminded me of the curse put on Narnia in C.S. Lewis' "The Lion, the > Witch, and the Wardrobe": "Always winter, but never Christmas." > > --David Coming from Iowa there was always a pretty good chance for a white Christmas. Certainly cold weather was a part of the holidays. My first Christmas in Seattle was kind of odd. I liked the mild winter weather. The last winter I spent in Iowa, we had a blizzard before Thanksgiving and there was snow on the ground til about April. I had had it with Old Man Winter. But getting back to that first Christmas in Seattle, I knew very few people out here & couldn't afford to go back to Iowa so I basically spent that first Xmas alone. I absolutely *forbade* myself to listen to 'Blue' by the way, because I knew the song 'River' would make me more morose than I wanted to be. Other people love this song & say it comforts them. All it ever did was depress me. Oh well. 'A Case of You' and 'Blue' on the other hand, I find very cathartic. But not 'River' although I do like Dianne Reeves version. It somehow is less dreary than Joni's. Maybe it has something to do with growing up on the Mississippi in Iowa and old stories that you long to return to the river for the rest of your life if you leave it. (A lot of bunk, btw. My old home town depresses me now whenever I go to visit my parents.) Mark in Seattle where we've had a very Sunny Sunday today. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 01:34:13 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Plug Of The Week #40 Hi there, All of you who loved Jeff Young's debut album, "Acting On Impulse", last year, will love Jeff's new project : Faith In Chaos - Hope Springs ( Fantastic Records ) Jeff Young is a keyboard player and singer who worked with Jackson Browne, Bonnie Raitt, Vonda Shepard and lots of other great artists. Jeff's new project is a band called Faith In Chaos. The other two members of this tight and funky band is : Mark Lambert on guitar and vocals, who ( as Jeff ) is a New York musician, whose credits include Astrid Gilberto among others. Frank Pagano, the dummer and singer, has been doing lots of session work for, among others, Bruce Springsteen the last couple of years. The trio's first album contains 12 original songs with a lot of depth, melody and funky emotion. Copies are available from either Jeff at : jyoung8471@aol.com or Frank at : fajpagano@compuserve.com Great album from a great band! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 21:39:11 PDT From: "Kelly Loughran" Subject: Re: being joni for halloween Ryan,If you've ever seen the movie Isle of Wight (sp?)Joni has never looked hotter-a long clinging crushed velvet dress long sleeved if I remember right and a glowing golden burnt-orange.And you need a good tan to set it all off ......Have a great time,I'm jealous its you and not me!!!!!Peace,Kelly >From: "Ryan Lantrip" >Reply-To: "Ryan Lantrip" >To: joni@smoe.org >Subject: being joni for halloween >Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:09:28 CDT > >I was wondering if anyone could help me with this. For Halloween, i've >decided to go out as Joni. I already have the wig, some cigarettes, >guitar, >and a drag queen friend of mine is helping me with the make up to make my >face more Joni-like. > >And that leads me to the eternal question....What should I wear? What is a >typical Joni outfit circa early 70's? > >Thanks in advance, >Ryan Lantrip > >______________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 23:50:15 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: in way of proof... hi Les, glad the advertisement came through ok. Wally was finally able to open it also. I think it was the paper that misspelled Joni's name. how about that 'steep' admission price? wow! ;o) when I first joined jmdl last december, I guess partly because some others had misrepresented themselves as being acquainted with Joni, some people were understandably pretty skeptical and I'm sure that many still take just about everything I post with a generous 'grain of salt' because of it... but others, and most especially you, always gave me the benefit of the doubt. in response to that extended trust I just want to say thanks... and, at long last, since I just recently, finally got this stuff scanned, provide some substance to my claims for you and all to see. the following is an abbreviated message I wrote to Wally yesterday when he notified me that he was finally able to open the attachment of the ad, including links to the 'evidence': "Wally, great! I'm so glad I was able to get it to you! ... I'm... inclined to think (that it appeared in the Port Huron Times Herald late in) '66 judging by the amateur look of it and the fact that, as soon as we could, we were including pictures in all the ads. it's really too bad that was the only one Brian (Moss) had to send me. I know we ran similar ads up with stills of Chuck and Joni and each individually and I'm pretty sure my name appeared on some with Joni too. anyway, I finally got these things uploaded... here's the ad I sent you at: http://homepages.go.com/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff/joniad.JPG that ad is the only thing I have that is specifically Joni, but also of possible interest is this similar ad featuring Chuck's old duet partner, Loring James: http://homepages.go.com/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff/loringad.JPG also, here is an early article about the Cellar where both Brian and I are mentioned prominently: http://homepages.go.com/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff/article.JPG and the picture which accompanied it which shows me onstage playing my gorgeous old D28 which Joni also played on more than one occasion: http://homepages.go.com/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff/stage.JPG I hope you can access these links as I just posted them and sometimes these places are weird and keep them for review for a few days before they publish them. I wish I had some of those other ads... take care, pat" if you look closely, even though the newspaper pic is really blurry and poor resolution... http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff/pat-stage.JPG and even though this one was taken some 30 years later... http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff/wolff.JPG I think you can still see that it's me. as far as proof goes, well, I guess anything can be faked on the web and it's all just cyberspace after all, and, even though both brian and mike have both come forward and verified my stories, I suppose some will continue to disregard me as a fake, regardless. at any rate, for you and those who have extended their trust to me, I hope these are enjoyed as interesting pieces of Joni history. take care, pat NP - Eastern Rain http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #230 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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