From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #229 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, October 17 1999 Volume 01 : Number 229 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: Offer to all Southern Hemisphere Joniphiles ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Looking for CSNY tour venues/dates ["Kakki" ] Vinnie in the Pulpit [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Looking for CSNY tour venues/dates ["Mark or Travis" ] in defense of lawyers (sort of).... ["Bill Dollinger" ] being joni for halloween ["Ryan Lantrip" ] Re: being joni for halloween [Mark Domyancich ] Re: being joni for halloween [JRMCo1@aol.com] Re: being joni for halloween [catman ] RE: being joni for halloween ["Wally Kairuz" ] Oh Yes!!! [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Re: Joni in the check-out line ["Eric Taylor" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 04:16:53 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Offer to all Southern Hemisphere Joniphiles hi, rodney, hey, i didn't know there were jmdlers in cape town!!! we're practically neighbors! wallyk in buenos aires ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:35:18 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: re: Joni in the check-out line Eric, WOW...what a wonderful story!! Isn't it amazing how spiritual these things can be...I had a very similar supermarket/joni/emotional experience, that I shared with the list awhile back...man, how freaky...thanks for letting us know, I can totally relate... - - Ange Sydney <> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 00:57:53 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Looking for CSNY tour venues/dates Jim asked: > Can't some one help me? For the love of God, won't somebody help me? Peter H. posted these dates to the list on Tuesday. Last I heard tix go on sale through Ticketmaster for many of these venues today (Saturday) at 10:00 a.m. Kakki P.S. Springsteen plays here opening day of Staples Center this Sunday but I won't be going - have to save up for CSNY and hopefully, Milan ;-) CSNY Tour Dates - January 24 Detroit, MI - The Palace at Auburn Hills January 26 Kansas City, MO - Kemper Arena January 29 Salt Lake City, UT - Delta Center February 1 Tacoma, WA -Dome February 2 Portland, OR - Rose Garden February 4 San Jose, CA Đ Arena February 7 Oakland, CA Đ Arena February 9 Sacramento, CA - Arco Arena February 12 Los Angeles, CA - Staples Center February 15 Anaheim, CA - The Pond February 19 Las Vegas, NV - MGM Grand February 21 Phoenix, AZ - America West February 23 Denver, CA - Pepsi Center February 26 Minneapolis, MN - Target Center March 06 Houston, TX - Compaq Center March 07 Dallas, TX - Reunion Arena March 09 Nashville, TN - Gaylord Entertainment Center March 11 Tampa, FL - Ice Palace March 12 Miami, FL - National Car Rental Center March 14 Atlanta, GA - Philips Arena March 16 Charlotte, NC - Coliseum March 18 Pittsburgh, PA - Civic Arena March 20 Philadelphia, PA - First Union Center March 23 Cleveland, OH - Gund Arena March 24 Indianapolis, IN - Conseco Field House March 26 Boston, MA - Fleet Center March 30 Toronto, ONT - Air Canada Center April 03 New York, NY - Madison Square Garden April 06 Washington, DC - MCI Center April 07 Columbus, OH - Schottenstein Center April 12 Hartford, CT - Civic Center April 14 Chicago, IL - United Center April 17 Milwaukee, MN - Bradley Center April 19 St. Louis, MO - Kiel Center ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 09:29:44 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Vinnie in the Pulpit In a message dated 10/15/99 11:47:41 PM US Central Standard Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << She doesn't? Well, now you tell me... there goes Sunday's sermon!>> Glad to educate you, Vince...:~) I'm assuming in my ignorance that Corinthians was originally written in Hebrew? Greek? It tickles me here in SC when the Southern Baptists talk about the King James Version of the Bible and call it the "One True Version"...Uhhh, I'm not sure any of them Bible dudes spoke the language fellas... <> I for one would particularly like to hear "Fuck it, tonight I'm going dancing"...:~) Bob NP: Me'Shell, "Satisfy"...and this record certainly does that... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:36:49 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Looking for CSNY tour venues/dates Peter H. posted these dates to the list on Tuesday. Last I heard tix go on sale through Ticketmaster for many of these venues today (Saturday) at 10:00 a.m. Kakki P.S. Springsteen plays here opening day of Staples Center this Sunday but I won't be going - have to save up for CSNY and hopefully, Milan ;-) CSNY Tour Dates - January 24 Detroit, MI - The Palace at Auburn Hills January 26 Kansas City, MO - Kemper Arena January 29 Salt Lake City, UT - Delta Center February 1 Tacoma, WA -Dome I'd love to see these guys but not at the Tacoma Dome. I did see The Police there back in the '80s. We could barely see them and if I remember right the sound was less than optimal. If it were Joni I'd probably do it but I don't know that there is anybody else I would drive to Tacoma (about 40 miles down the always congested I-5) and sit in a sports arena to see. Oh well. It's really too bad. My brother & his wife saw CSN a few years back and they both said it was about the best concert they'd ever seen. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 10:45:56 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Mojo news Patti sent: <> Thanks for sharing this Patti! This is so exciting! I wasn't on the net when Joni toured last year so this is would be a whole new feeling to actually share seeing her with others....whether a "select city" is one I can get to or not. But one thing that keeps popping into my memory is that I used to make a point to call her record company or management around the time of each release to see if she was going to be touring or doing any even just a few concerts. (If I had to travel, I needed the time to make arrangements, ya know) Except for TI which she did only the Jazz fest and Gene Autry Museum broadcast, without fail, they always said she's going to try to tour after the album. (I started keeping tabs during Hissing) Don't know if it was all about sales or Joni's health or pre-VG8 tuning problems on stage, but we all know 79, 83 and 98 were the only years she did actually tour after an album since C&S. I sooo hope this one is the real deal!!! Penny ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 14:37:26 -0700 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: Georgia O'Keeffe and Joni-fest in San Francisco I would like to know how many people are interested in the upcoming Georgia O exhibit and/or combining seeing the exhibit with a Joni-fest in San Francisco. Today is Saturday and I can't reach anyone for the exact dates, but I think the exhibit opens in Feb 2000. ( I posted the dates last May.) email me privately. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 17:56:23 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: song writing On the thread on song writing, I think the most important precondition to write a good one is to have something you need to express. It starts with a feeling, and the feeling leads you to some chords you like, a melody that matches the mood, and eventually a key phrase around which the lyrics can be built. Uneventful times of general content are the worst times for writing songs. Times of great joy, great sadness and strong feeling are the best times. It's also been helpful for me to go back into "unfinished business" from the last few years and write about that -- to express something I've always wanted to about the important people in my life. Sometimes I'll be playing chords and finding a tune and something from my past will resurface - -- that's what the song is about! I was playing some melancholy chords a few weeks ago and thinking about Matthew Shepard, this being the one year anniversary of his slaying. The song about him soon followed. I've only written one song in standard tuning (which I treated as if it were an open tuning) because open tunings are just too beautiful. They have unexpected qualities, lots of interesting drones, strange sympathetic notes and a greater range of emotional qualities. The tunes that are wrought from open tunings are usually more interesting because they are often made up of what I call happy accidents. A lot of times I'll be in bed or driving on the freeway and I'll hear the resolution for some tune. Or I'll hear a chord I know I want, and that I know I can get from the tuning that I've begun to think in. It's the same with words too -- the next stanza of something may just blossom in your head when you are taking a shower -- or somebody says something that gets you unjammed. It's very helpful to have a rhyming dictionary. A lot of times you'll find a rhyme you like, but you aren't sure how it works into your song. That can push your imagination. Sometimes, it's a matter of taking a phrase and reversing the order of its words which makes it different and catchy and able to rhyme with the next phrase. When I hear other people's songs at open mikes, I'm struck by how few of them take time to develop a theme or some imagery in their songs, an inward build, some inner rhymes or interesting word play. All in all, it's a painstaking process. It's taken me a week to six weeks to write an individual song, to let it come to you in its own sweet time. You need patience and perseverance, but everyone who has ever wanted to should do it. It's a wonderful feeling to write a song, no matter the end result. Like anything, you get better as you go along. You should write them for *yourself, first* whether or not you can sell them to some other act. You should be like Sharon and sing them for your friends and your family -- people usually can listen to about three of them before losing interest. And if it's a love song, you should sing it for who you wrote it for. Who wouldn't like to hear that? Listening to Joni during the writing process can both intimidate you and inspire you. But I think the reason she has been a fount of brilliant and original songs has a lot to do with the incredible life she has lead. Being a nine to fiver in the same locale all your life isn't going to bring the same stimulus as being a world traveler and adventurer. But more importantly, it's strong feelings that are the real source of all "inspired" works. Last weekend I was on a mini-Hejira, and of course, I brought some Joni with me to listen to in the car. I listened to lots of incredible music as I rolled through picturesque Steinbeck country. But going from STAS to HOSL, I found myself once again amazed at the depth and breadth of Joni's genius, and for the moment was thinking -- why would I want to listen to anyone else? Clark np: Radiohead - OK Computer ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:55:50 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: Re: songwriting JMDLers? nice lyrics u posted, and great thread. I have written quite a few songs myself, here's a couple... bill Blood of Lost Love I walked alone No one to meet Brake lights colored All the puddles on the street. Red rippled rain In the lonely night And for a moment, I thought that it might Be the blood of lost love Blood of lost love. I stopped by a church Drenched to the bone Fingers tracing over Words in the stone. "Jesus is coming, So love one another." Christ I want to know Do we ever recover The blood of lost love Blood of lost love. He sat by the steps Lighting up a smoke Drinking from a flask Softly he spoke And he said"Carry your scars, Cover up the bruises Throughout our lives The heart never loses The blood of lost love." Blood of lost love. Chesire Cat (Dollar Signs in her Eyes) Saturday night at the Chesire Cat Grab your coat, better grab your hat, The street's a river from the pounding rain See her standing neath the light again. You've got new money, but your face is old. Wanna take her home, keep away the cold. Say "Hey babe, you shouldn't be outside, Jump in the car, let's go for a ride." You play Sinatra and you dance real close, Champagne bubbles and you make a toast. But you finish up before you even begin, Twenty four hours and she's moved in. You've got the Porsche, yeah you've got the Rolls, You say she loves you, well, I suppose... Whisper in her ear with a sweet surprise, But she's got dollar signs in her eyes. Don't flash the cash, better hide it away Cause a fool and his money go their separate ways. You think they twinkle like fireflies, But those are just dollar signs in her eyes. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 19:05:16 -0400 From: "Bill Dollinger" Subject: in defense of lawyers (sort of).... One thing that strikes me as odd in No Apologies is that joni points the finger for the ruin of our society on lawyers and loan sharks. This strikes me as odd, given that there are so many other targets which i would find responsible for the decline of western civiliation, for instance: developers congressmembers ticket scalpers the olsen twins advertising executives spammers cute boy bands like nsync, backstreet boys, etc... seriously tho, i just never have felt that lawyers and loan sharks are at the top of the list of what is wrong in the world today. But we all know that Joni Mitchell Never Lies, so what gives? thoughts? bill ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:09:28 CDT From: "Ryan Lantrip" Subject: being joni for halloween I was wondering if anyone could help me with this. For Halloween, i've decided to go out as Joni. I already have the wig, some cigarettes, guitar, and a drag queen friend of mine is helping me with the make up to make my face more Joni-like. And that leads me to the eternal question....What should I wear? What is a typical Joni outfit circa early 70's? Thanks in advance, Ryan Lantrip ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 18:31:06 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: being joni for halloween A long sleeve, flowing green, brown or black dress, and maybe some tiny suede boots. Mark NPIMH-Song For Sharon, Wembley 83 At 6:09 PM -0500 10/16/99, Ryan Lantrip wrote: >And that leads me to the eternal question....What should I wear? >What is a typical Joni outfit circa early 70's? ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | | ICQ: 21619464 AIM: CalifKitch | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 20:30:43 EDT From: JRMCo1@aol.com Subject: Re: being joni for halloween << For Halloween, i've decided to go out as Joni. I already have the wig, some cigarettes, guitar, and a drag queen friend of mine is helping me with the make up to make my face more Joni-like....What should I wear? >> Don't forget the beret, a la Hejira. And a maybe a cat or two riding your arm. - -Julius ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:35:54 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: being joni for halloween Try the outfit she wore for that photo on FTR. You won't be forgotten. Ryan Lantrip wrote: > I was wondering if anyone could help me with this. For Halloween, i've > decided to go out as Joni. I already have the wig, some cigarettes, guitar, > and a drag queen friend of mine is helping me with the make up to make my > face more Joni-like. > > And that leads me to the eternal question....What should I wear? What is a > typical Joni outfit circa early 70's? > > Thanks in advance, > Ryan Lantrip > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:37:55 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: being joni for halloween you mean the on the cover or the other one? wallyk - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: catman Para: Ryan Lantrip CC: Enviado: Sábado 16 de Octubre de 1999 21:35 Asunto: Re: being joni for halloween > Try the outfit she wore for that photo on FTR. You won't be forgotten. > ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:44:19 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: songwriting JMDLers? bill! you never fail to astound me! what great lyrics!!! wallyk - ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Bill Dollinger Para: Takats, Angela ; 'joni' ; Enviado: Sábado 16 de Octubre de 1999 19:55 Asunto: Re: songwriting JMDLers? > nice lyrics u posted, and great thread. I have written quite a few songs > myself, here's a couple... > > bill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:39:55 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Oh Yes!!! back from the yEsshoW which was absolutely incredible! I was standing no more than 10 feet from Steve Howe in this small venue, The Tabernacle, which used to be a church and still has pipes from the pipe organ that was once there lining the wall behind the stage. The show had barely begun and I was thinking how cool it was that we were able to walk right in and be that close without having to push our way through like I did so many times in the early 80's at Iron Maiden concerts and such....just then some guy pushed into me a few times from behind and then collapsed on the floor. Someone helped away. I suppose his night was over. The highlight of this show for me was their performance of "Awaken" from Going for the One and "And You and I"....I think I was literally in a trance during those songs...I enjoyed being right in front of Steve Howe also and seeing his hands...his playing was so flawless and exciting to actually see in person, even though he never smiled once during the whole show...he had this serious, concentrated look on his face the whole time which I guess is just his way(sort of like how Robert Fripp sits at the very back of the stage at King Crimson shows) though Chris Squire was obviously enjoying himself letting a few laughs out and Jon Anderson was himself as usual. It was strange when Billy Sherwood, the 30 something guitarist they picked up was featured on a few tunes and was playing in front of all these guys who are close to 50 with their receding hairlines and pot bellies(at least Chris Squire anyway, Steve Howe is kind of skinny) and here's this young guy with spiked up hair...it was just sort of an interesting image. I was really glad I got to see them since I know they won't be around forever( a thought which was maybe reinforced by their addition of these younger players, Igor and Billy). It makes me think of the elves going to the shores to catch a ship out West, leaving middle earth to go to the havens... Their new material sounded awesome as well. Definately go see them if you get a chance. I was truly taken back in time...they sounded as great as they have ever sounded to me. NP: Yesshows ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 01:54:39 -0400 From: "Eric Taylor" Subject: Re: Joni in the check-out line Dear Ange, Isn't it great how Joni's more obscure music if finally catching on! Not that I don't adore Big Yellow Taxi & Help Me. It was just SO amazing to hear Hejira playing in a suburban supermarket!!! :~) E.T. P.S. I remember the post you contributed about your supermarket/joni/emotional experience & enjoyed it thoroughly! ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #229 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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