From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #226 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, October 14 1999 Volume 01 : Number 226 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- RE: This JUST In!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ["Wally Kairuz" ] RE: Superficial Observations JC [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Fwd:Re: Lurker Days (SJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Fwd:Re: Lurker Days (SJC) ["Catherine McKay" ] RE: Fwd:Re: Lurker Days (SJC) [Anne Sandstrom ] Re: Superficial Observations JC [Don Rowe ] re: Superficial Observations ["Ray & Cathy" ] Re: Superficial Observations (was: Stevie Nicks ) LJC [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: Superficial Observations (was: Stevie Nicks ) LJC [Siresorrow@aol.com] Doug Ingoldsby Live Shows 1999 ["Peter Holmstedt" ] RE: Joni's Jazz Tapes Surface!! ["patrick leader" ] Thanks all for welcome [Bounced Message ] an old new news [Bounced Message ] Re: Joni's Jazz Tapes Surface!! ["Kakki" ] Blacklisted Journalist [charles atlas sheppard ] Unforgettable Women of 20th Century (People Mag) [Al Date Subject: RE: This JUST In!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!! !!!!! you frigging bastard!!!! i knew you had something up your sleeve! count me IN IN IN IN! wallyK can i play and sing too? or is it only for the big shots? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:50:33 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Bob Dylan on Dharma Vince says: <> I agree Vince, and I think Ultimately, even above her talent, what I admire most about Joni is her INTEGRITY as an artist. Historically, she seems to follow her artistic muse rather than her commercial one. When she does appear on TV, it's not an exploitative appearance but rather she goes where she's appreciated. When she plays a benefit, she selects music appropriate for the occassion, not just what the public wants to hear. She's so brave in that respect, sometimes I wish she wasn't so she could have a broader fan base, but that's the way she is... Again, that's why I'm excited about her standards project. She's not doing it purely commercial reasons, but rather because it's how she feels artistically led at this juncture of her career. My hope is that through this release she will get some long-overdue commercial recognition and we can all runaround telling everyone "See! I told you Joni was the greatest!! :~) Bob NP: UK, "Alaska" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:52:31 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Joni laughing it all away... Helen said: <> And don't forget her self-titled "Morbid Christmas Album"... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:17:12 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Superficial Observations (was: Stevie Nicks ) LJC Hi Cat. > You have to be kidding me on that one unless you mean > something about her > rhythm of the words. Joni is the most incredible rhythm > guitarist. Yes, I was talking about SV's lyrics. And contrasting her emphasis on rhythmn with her lack of emphasis on melody. Clearly, Joni has it all over SV (and many other guitarists) on rhythmn - although Shawn Colvin is quite strong also. Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 10:50:27 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: Superficial Observations JC Cat said: > > Anne >> >You have to be kidding me on that one unless you mean something about her >rhythm of the words. Joni is the most incredible rhythm guitarist. Just >listen to DJRD and that should sum it up. When we watched her live at the >BBC at Asharas, her dulcimer playing was incredible. In between strums she >would hit the dulcimer with her hand. It was so amazing to see that first >hand. She IMHO in one of THE BEST rhythm musicians of all time. >Cat... Joni is a master guitar player and innovator. All of the people that were mentioned in this thread learned guitar by playing Joni songs. That's not me saying that...that's what they all say. Try the shuffle rhythm on Turbulent Indigo sometime and see what I'm talking about. I'm still trying to figure out how she does that!!!! :-) I just have to say that despite the fact I usually agree with any criticisms people have of Suzanne Vega, I still love her. I love the mood she creates and it always reminds me of my old apartment in Queens. Some Journey from her first album is a beautiful song. She's one of the few people that I run out and buy her new stuff as soon as it comes out (every 7 years or so last time I checked!) :-) That's a good thread...who do you immediately buy as soon as the product hits the street besides Joni? others for me are Dylan, Bruce Cockburn, Doc Watson and the Boss. (oh yeah, and Jethro Tull of course!!) Uh oh, I just realized if I start this thread I'll have to switch out of JONI ONLY mode!! :-) ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ weekend email address: suemc16@webtv.net "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:10:26 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Superficial Observations JC << I just have to say that despite the fact I usually agree with any criticisms people have of Suzanne Vega, I still love her. I love the mood she creates...>> I agree completely. I just ordered Nine Object of Desire, which is the only CD of hers I don't have. I find that reading and learning her lyrics is like chanting and inspires me to write myself. (whereas Joni's lyrics are much denser and make me just stop and listen in awe) The only other person whose recordings I buy immediately is Shawn Colvin. Actually, I guess that's true of Pierre Bensusan, but he hasn't released anything in the U.S. for a while. Anne enjoying this thread ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 16:17:01 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Fwd:Re: Lurker Days (SJC) That was well put, Lori and it's good to hear from you. I like the de-lurk idea. If there's anyone out there who feels they're afraid to say something in front of everyone, welcome to the club. The first time is the hardest, and it gets somewhat easier after that. But only somewhat. I still wonder, every time I send one of these things out there into cyberspace, why I did it and wonder why anyone out there would be interested in hearing my views on anything. (I am not worthy! I am not worthy!) However, anyone's opinion is as good as the next ones, and you learn a little bit from everyone whether or not you agree with them. I always find something in what others have to say and, if the only thing it does is to trigger a completely different idea, that's good enough for me. A while back, I had a reply sent to me in private from someone who wanted to express their opinion about something I had said, who didn't seem to agree with me (although I'm not totally sure!) and I guess what I should have done is to suggest to them that they don't respond just to me, but to the whole group because their opinions are at least as good as mine (and maybe, God forbid, even better!) Instead, what I did was to respond to them rather snarkily and then to delete their e-mail. OK, so I was in a bad mood that day, but it bugged me that someone out there was reading MY rants and only popped up once to respond to me personally rather than sharing it with the class. Not fair, I say. If I get to make a fool of myself in public, then everyone else has the right to do so as well. Hoping that THIS particular rant doesn't either scare anyone off, or prompt any more responses to me that aren't copied to the group, I remain, yours very truly, Catherine What's-'er-name. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:39:05 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Fwd:Re: Lurker Days (SJC) Bob asks Jan, "Is any of your art on the web? I'd love to see it! The only painting I do is with a roller..." Bob, you've got me beat! I can't even handle that! The good thing about today's decorating trends is all that, with smudging and "faux" finishing, you don't have to be a neat painter to redecorate these days. That works for me, klutz that I am. Now if only we could get buy-in from the home-decor gurus that those paint splashes all over the floors and windows are chic... cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 14:03:06 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: RE: Fwd:Re: Lurker Days (SJC) <> You might want to give a listen to David Wilcox's "Leave It Like It Is" :-) (I won't spoil it for you.) Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:33:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Superficial Observations JC > That's a good thread...who do you immediately buy as > soon as the product > hits the street besides Joni? Oh, this is a good one! My list includes: James Taylor John Fogerty (every 9 years!) Julia Fordham The Fixx Jude Cole Sting Richard Thompson The Freddy Jones Band Don Henley (boy, it's been a while for him too!) Peter Gabriel (his website says "Album? What Album?) Mary Chapin-Carpenter Lindsey Buckingham (I hear Hell is, in fact, slowly freezing over ...) ===== Don Rowe "I would not bet against the development of a time machine. My opponent may have already built one ... and know the future." -- Stephen Hawking __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:41:55 -0700 From: "Ray & Cathy" Subject: re: Superficial Observations Susan McNamara asks, "Who do you immediately buy as soon as the product hits the streets besides Joni?" That's easy.... BRUCE COCKBURN DAVID CROSBY WENDY WALDMAN Take care, all! Cathy in Oregon ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 15:16:51 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Superficial Observations (was: Stevie Nicks ) LJC In a message dated 10/13/1999 10:10:37 AM Eastern Daylight Time, asandstrom@allaire.com writes: << learly, Joni has it all over SV (and many other guitarists) on rhythmn - although Shawn Colvin is quite strong also. >> And lets not forget Jonatha Brooke. She does amazing things with her right hand- uses a flat pick while picking/strumming with the other fingers; a real digit acrobat. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 17:14:51 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Superficial Observations (was: Stevie Nicks ) LJC In a message dated 10/13/99 3:19:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: << And lets not forget Jonatha Brooke. She does amazing things with her right hand- uses a flat pick while picking/strumming with the other fingers; >> i think neil young is one of the best "flat pickers" out there. many years ago i went to lessons and the teacher put me in a classical position and had me using my fingers with no pick and holding my thumb low on the neck, but it never took in my system. then about two years ago i met a teacher who told me to use everything i had, and he was a classical player to boot, but he loved rock. he said, "jimi never worried about his thumb, in fact he used his thumb on the fret board". so this guy put me onto what you describe, flat picking with other fingers working as well and i find it the best alternative for me. you can get some neat sounds. pat ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:14:35 +0100 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Doug Ingoldsby Live Shows 1999 Sat. October 16 8:00pm Cafe Voltaire 12 North Ash Street Ventura 641.1743 Semi acoustic with Randy Cobb, Randy Tico, Jesse Siebenberg and Jonathan McEuen & Tammy Gillispie Wed. October 20th 8:30pm The Bistro Med 1129 State Street Santa Barbara 965.1500 With Randy Cobb, Brian Mann, Randy Tico and Jesse Siebenberg with Jonathan McEuen, Tammy Gillispie, Antara and Delilah. Tues. October 26th 9:00pm SoHo 1221 State Street Santa Barbara 962. 7776 Special guest JEFF PEVAR also 'the band': Randy Cobb, Brian Mann, Randy Tico and Jesse Siebenberg, Jonathan McEuen, Tammy Gillispie, Antara and Delilah. Doug Ingoldsby has a heart...and he has the gift. A songwriters job is to make you feel things...Dougie definitely does the job. - - David Crosby "It is with great respect and honor that I can say that it has been a pleasure to work with Doug Ingoldsby. His talent, passion and willingness to find the muse and jump on it is second only to witnessing a daring young wrangler jump on a Brahma bull and take the 8 second ride" - - Jimmy Messina Doug Ingoldsby has created an acoustic flavored album in the vein of CSN, Jackson Browne, Eagles and Poco. With guests Jeff Pevar, David Crosby, Kenny Loggins and Jim Messina Doug takes you on a trip through his lyrical mind. Don’t miss it! - - Thoughtscape Sounds ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:53:33 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Millenium countdown to be six degree'd In a message dated 10/13/99 5:40:27 PM US Central Standard Time, zapuppy2@webtv.net writes: << I'm especially interested how you music sluts are going to tie in Robert Johnson to Joni. >> EXTREMELY easy Penny! Cassandra Wilson does Johnson's "Come On in my Kitchen" on the same disc that she covers "Black Crow"! I'm going to the movies so I'll see what's left in the morning...the Willie Nelson is of course a no-brainer... Bob NP: Me'Shell, "May This Be Love" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:41:41 -0400 From: "Eric G. Postel" Subject: * DAT Offer: Joni's Jazz Concert Howdy everybody. Hope you are having a nice Fall. I recently received a DAT recording of the Joni's Jazz concert this summer in NYC. I'd be happy to make a copy for any folks with DAT who would like one. The recording takes two DAT tapes. Send you trade lists to me or else we can do b&p. If interested, please contact me off list. Thanks, Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 20:25:10 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Joni's Jazz Tapes Surface!! Thanks to the great generosity of simon, I received today in the mail two 110 min. tapes of Joni's Jazz in New York!! simon also sent me and a number of other jimdles around the planet a big load of other goodies that I'm sure will eventually be well distributed around the list. I am very busy at work and home lately and cannot at this time copy all these tapes but will offer to make the two tapes of Joni's Jazz for any Southern California listmembers in exchange for blanks and postage (unless you want to pick up when we see each other again ;-) Please email me privately if you are interested. I'm just finishing listening to the first tape of Joni's Jazz and all I can think is that you all who were there must have had an incredible night. Wow, oh, wow, it just feels spectacular. So far my favorites are Toshi Reagon and Joy Askew, and Erin Hamilton is very impressive, too (she has her mama Carol's big voice ;-) I can swear I hear Ashara and Patrick talking in between songs on the first side! Kakki NP: Chaka - Hissing of Summer Lawns (woooooooooh!!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 00:50:48 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Joni's Jazz Tapes Surface!! kakki writes: >I can swear I hear Ashara and Patrick talking in between songs on the first >side! > no, the taper was too far from me and ashara wasn't even there. you can slightly hear me at one point in the beginning; danny kapilian is talking about focusing this concert on this period and goes on to name some of the great albums afterwards. at one point he says, 'how many of you own night ride home?' and after some cheering you can almost hear me yelling 'and it's a fabulous album'. he says 'yes, it's a magnificent album, and as far as i'm concerned, underappreciated' yes, last night i too received the joni's jazz tapes and nearly cried with the joy of it. this concert was one of my extreme highlights of summer '99, and this is an amazing tape of it. i listened to the first half last night and again twice through today (i left the second half at home, accidentally). ironically, tonight i ran into danny kapilian, who produced this concert, at BAM, a brooklyn live arts venue. (laura and i'd just seen laurie anderson's 'moby dick') his next project is similar to 'joni's jazz', a play-through of prince's album '1999', just a couple of days before the millenium. through a stupid fiasco i'd failed to get tix and it sold out, but he told me they've added a second show on 12/12/99. thank god. danny also recently produced a joy askew gig at joe's pub here in ny, a major thing for her in which her guests included joe jackson. i'd met danny briefly there. tonight, i was afraid to tell danny that this record of the event has come into my life, but here i admit it. and i hope to spread the music. like kakki and everyone else i'm crazed right now, but i'll copy the two tapes for the next 4 people in the eastern seaboard who contact me privately offlist. please expect to wait at least two to three weeks for tapes, i am the proud owner of two new jobs, three performance subscriptions, 4 tape-recording projects for friends, and even a life once in a while. i'm also emailing a couple of friends offlist. patrick np - john kelly - amelia kakki continued before she had heard erin's version of 'blue motel room': Erin Hamilton is very impressive, too >(she has her >mama Carol's big voice ;-) > what did you think of her on 'blue motel room'? i'm listening to part ii of the show for the first time, but if the tape comes close to my memory of her, i'll be completely verklemmpt during erin's rendition of 'blue motel room'. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:12:08 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Thanks all for welcome From: "jan glas" Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:54:45 +0200 Had some nice "welcome to the group" mail, allso from the Eurojonigroup. And yes Bob I do roll allso and handle wood, I hardly use a brush. I make cut-outs (like Matisse) and colour them and I make sculptings once in a while. I should call myself "beeldend kunstenaar" (dutch). Too posh for me so it"s schilder (painter). Can't show any right now, got a homepage last week, but it's empty, don't know how it works yet. I made a small painting called "Blue, here is a shell for you". I shall try to show it on my page, when it all works. I will give the group warning!! when it's up. Jan NP: Just like this train on "just Ice". I am so happy with this CD. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:13:28 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: an old new news From: "smarcaurele" Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 18:38:46 -0400 there was a chitter of fans howling like leaves and trash in the wet winter streets there was always a chitter of fans somewhere made me wonder what the hell was wrong with me and them assuming the hunt was held with the same enthusiasm as those that pursued embraced i wonder about the superficiality of the observations on the songs mixed with subjective interpretations as if that certified intimacy i laugh at those who think me harsh and somber i thank God with very little reverence that i am spared being the center of chatter i curse the devil for spurring on my curiosity, not of them not of they not of those of one whose sparkle deserves guarded shadows not another hand from another lafraneer taxis? shit every one is a doorman with a smile at Christmas! ****** protests of sweetness i look out upon the falling leaves amused by a skinny black cat feeding on the carcass of a ham bone i left it plenty of meat i'll feed it as long as the winter comes and goes as long as it comes and goes the sweetness is the independence the true lack of need of me the fear of me though it could scratch my eyes out the sweetness is watching unobserved of letting that cat in its own sweet time choose or not choose to lick the hand that's taken to feeding it sweetness is no bravado a little humility no reason to fear and sunlight warming the landscape in a measure balanced palitable surrending *** hi i am still around ** s. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 22:18:38 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's Jazz Tapes Surface!! Patrick wrote: > ironically, tonight i ran into danny kapilian, who produced this concert, at > BAM, a brooklyn live arts venue. (laura and i'd just seen laurie anderson's > 'moby dick') his next project is similar to 'joni's jazz', a play-through > of prince's album '1999', just a couple of days before the millenium. > through a stupid fiasco i'd failed to get tix and it sold out, but he told > me they've added a second show on 12/12/99. thank god. Wow, that will be incredible! > danny also recently produced a joy askew gig at joe's pub here in ny, a major thing for her in > which her guests included joe jackson. i'd met danny briefly there. I'm glad to finally get to hear Joy. You were 100% right about recommending her! > what did you think of her on 'blue motel room'? i'm listening to part ii of > the show for the first time, but if the tape comes close to my memory of > her, i'll be completely verklemmpt during erin's rendition of 'blue motel > room'. Finally heard it - and she knocks everyone else out of the water on this one. It's probably the top of the list. She brings things out of the song that I've never heard before, just like Marian does. A few of the performances are a little off, like poor Duncan Sheik who I love, but I am impressed how the band was able to carry some of the off moments through. I'm also thinking that a few of our own could have easily performed up there on that stage. But, we've got the Paz Joni Tribute Fest to get ready for and I think there may be some contenders that Mr. Kapillian may want to keep an eye on for future events. ;-) Kakki NP: Joni laughing during Help Me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 23:08:47 -0700 (PDT) From: charles atlas sheppard Subject: Blacklisted Journalist Have any of y'all checked out The Blacklisted Journalist website? There is a short piece on Joni Mitchell among other great topics, like meeting the beats, Bob Dylan,etc. Lotta name-dropping but he is an interesting writer nonetheless. http://www.bigmagic.com/pages/blackj/ ===== Be cool, stay warm Charles Atlas Sheppard Support The Nepenthe Journal http://www.freespeech.org/tumbleweed Click on the text link below: Protect Your Privacy on the web! __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 02:29:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Al Date Subject: Unforgettable Women of 20th Century (People Mag) Maybe this is old news, but People Mag came out with a hard-cover super-glossy collector's edition called Unforgettable Women of the 20th Century. For some reason, I had to see if Joni was "unforgettable" to the editors. (I'm really not into People Magazine! The only reason I know any of this is that I was at the dentist's office today. :) ) Anyway, Joni has a page to herself, with a pretty cool picture of herself having a smoke. Her clothing is--how can I describe it since I am a clothing imbecile-- unique. And she looks quite beautiful. The text is pretty bland--a two paragraph life story. Back to lurking and wishing I was jonifesting instead of working 14/7 in Silicon Valley... - --Al Date At least I got clean teeth. :) - ----------------------------------------------- FREE! The World's Best Email Address @email.com Reserve your name now at http://www.email.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #226 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. 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