From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #212 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, September 30 1999 Volume 01 : Number 212 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- re: Mingus [Robert Holliston ] small Joni mention in "New York" magazine [MGVal@aol.com] Re: Mingus...and a Joni question [MGVal@aol.com] Re: got a song stuck in my head [Susan McNamara ] Re: Mingus [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: SV: Plug Of The Week #38 ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Mingus...and a Joni question [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] RE: Mingus ["Wally Kairuz" ] WTRF - a song cycle [Bob.Muller@fluor.com] Re: WTRF - a song cycle (now a concept album) [Don Rowe ] No Joni Content, but not for lack of trying [MGVal@aol.com] Happy Anniversary TTT [FMYFL@aol.com] Re: SV: Plug Of The Week #38 ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: WTRF - a song cycle ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: WTRF - a song cycle ["Kakki" ] Joni Tribute Fest [Michael Paz ] Re: No Joni Content, but not for lack of trying [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penn] Re: Mingus...and a Joni question ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: WTRF - a song cycle (now a concept album) ["Helen M. Adcock" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 01:00:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Holliston Subject: re: Mingus WOW! Reading Mark's beautiful take on Mingus really made my day! I remember waiting anxiously for that album to come out, and then buying it and the Rolling Stone issue with Joni's picture on the cover ("her first interview in 10 years!") on the same day. It struck me as a highly intelligent if a bit aloof recording at first listening: it took many years for me to realize how very beautiful it is. Now it's one of my favorites, and my reaction is more visceral and emotional. Mark, Wally, Marian, Michael, Ashara, count me in! I'd love to join Chuck as co-keyboardist for a Mingus set!! I'll bring the songbook this time, though, even if I have to steal it from the library. By my count there are now three JoniFests 2000: Saskatoon, Topsfield, and New Orleans. Saving up airmiles.....and sending big hugs to all, Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:41:39 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: small Joni mention in "New York" magazine The 9/6 issue of "New York" has a Joni mention in their caption for the musical, "Summer of 69." It says: "....before the concession-stand riots of Woodstock '99, there was a kinder, muddier music festival with performances by Joni Mitchell, Richie Havens and the Jefferson Airplane......" As Meatloaf sez: "two out of three ain't bad." And she DID write the song, so I guess that's close enough. MG np: continuing with the "other" Joan music kick..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 07:48:04 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Mingus...and a Joni question In a message dated 9/27/99 7:44:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, mark.travis@gte.net writes: << You probably won't find yourself humming them absent-mindedly - at least not until you've listened to them 20 or 30 times. They are very beautiful melodies, some of them quite hauntingly beautiful. >> Wonderful, wonderful post, Mark! Two of my top hummable Joni tunes are from "Mingus." I often go about my debits and credits softly singing "Sweet Sucker Dance," and "Goodbye Pork Pie Hat." Which makes me ask: what are the top Joni songs that you find yourself humming to during your day? (Or night for those of us not following the Ben Franklin school of thought) MG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:34:45 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Re: got a song stuck in my head >what are the top Joni songs that you find yourself humming to during your >day? (Or night for those of us not following the Ben Franklin school of >thought) > Coincidentally, I was singing "Woman of Heart and Mind" and "Coyote" in the shower this morning, and for the last week I've had "Be Cool" stuck in my head, too. ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ weekend email address: suemc16@webtv.net "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 08:49:05 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Mingus Mark with his schizophrenic sense of total recall said: <> Oh sure Mark, we ALL believe you just rattled those lyrics off the tip of your tongue...don't we gang? :~) Just kidding - I've been in the same boat before, if someone can give me the first one or two words I'm off and runnin'. And what a great set of lyrics they are...I saw a film a couple years ago with an all-black cast, I think it was also titled "A Chair In The Sky". Does someone have a film reference book that could check that? The song of course speaks from the viewpoint of one who is dying and reflecting on their life, I think obviously inspired by Mingus at this stage of his life. Geez, she starts Mingus with "God Must Be A Boogie Man" and follows it with a song referencing heaven... Now I wish I'd brought Mingus to listen to today... Bob NP: Stevie Ray Vaughan, "So Excited" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 13:07:55 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: SV: Plug Of The Week #38 Thank you, Peter. I wasn't doing this JUST to be a pain in the ass, although I will admit to experiencing a kind of savage glee at the time of writing - just couldn't tell Satan to begone! (Blame it on me Irish blood, or blame it on the Bossa Nova). I really DID want to find out if you were a real person and not just some guy selling STUFF. It makes your mention of other artists slightly more genuine - I tend, for the most part, to trust the taste of other Joni fans (but I still don't like Vonda Sheppard!) When it comes across strictly as a salespitch, I'd rather check out the reviews in the newspaper and so on or on the various websites. Knowing that you ARE a Joni fan (I hope you're not lyin' ;) ) is a help. > > Are you a real person? Tell us about yourself. > >OK, here we go again : > >Born 1958, husband, father of three wonderful kids, music freak. > > > When did you become a Joni fan? > >In 1970, with the release of "Ladies Of The Canyon". > > > What do you do for a living? > >I'm based at EMI Sweden, doing mostly copyright and royalty, >but for the moment I'm heavily involved in a joint venture distribution >project between EMI, Sony and Universal ( Sweden and Norway ) . > > > Is there a Joni tie-in somewhere here? > >Yes, this time it's the musicians. Joni also used Victor Feldman, >Larry Carlton, John Guerin, Max Bennett and Chuck Rainey at >around the same time as these recordings by Terence Boylan >took place. > >OK ? > >Take care, > >Peter > cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 09:14:56 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: Re: Mingus...and a Joni question MG asks: <> Like Sue, it can vary depending on what I've just listened to, but the one most likely to pop up when I'm walking around is "Blue Motel Room". I just love to sing it and feel the flow of the music. Bob NP: Seger, "Night Moves" (live) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:15:20 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Mingus wasn't it cabin in the sky? a young lena horne makes an appearance. wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 14:51:23 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluor.com Subject: WTRF - a song cycle David said: <> So, how about this order to make a song cycle... 1. Underneath The Streetlight: She opens the record with a strong declaration of love, the exciting "you-can-do-no-wrong" feeling of new love; 2. Solid Love: She's confessed her love and discovers it returned; now she's telling the world and reassuring her lover of her feelings; 3. (You're So Square) Baby I Don't Care: She's now comfortable in the new relationship to poke a little fun, and reassure her love that even though he has flaws, she loves him, warts and all. 4. Be Cool: Doubt begins to enter in, from seeing her lover with other women, she tries to reassure herself that all is OK but if need be she can "kiss off that flaky valentine, lots of other fish in the sea"; 5. You Dream Flat Tires: Now everything is no longer cool!! She confronts him and accuses him of mishandling their relationship...his response is only "Woman she bounce back easy"... 6. Wild Things Run Fast: "She thought she had him tamed, but he was just as wild"..."What makes you run? Wild Thing, I thought you loved me"...sorta says it all 7. Ladies Man: Even though she's still in love with him, she sees him for what he is and says "I guess you learn to refuse what you think you can't handle"...She's still reflecting thoughts to him, even though she knows it's over. 8. Man to Man: Now she's reflecting a lot of the same feelings to herself, wondering if maybe she was to blame or why she can't sustain a relationship. 9: Moon at the Window: She dwells on the failed relationship; refusing to be cheered up, takes little solace in the fact that though her heart is broken the "thieves" have at least left the moon at the window. 10: Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody: She's back to hanging out with her girlfriends, reminiscing about the good times, and sharing that nothing lasts for long, and longing for the old feelings of love, wondering whether the pain is worth the price. 11. Love: She seeks out a classic definition of love so that she can see where perhaps she went wrong and to reaffirm that love is the most important thing, the greatest beauty. Again, I like all the songs on the record, and don't think it needs to be re-arranged. But by the same token, sequencing can make or break a record sometimes...that's one of the many reasons why C&S works so well I think... Bob NP: S. Vega, "No Cheap Thrill" -------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. 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You Dream Flat Tires -- Walking over to the handsome stranger, we discover why he's hanging out on the streetcorner ... it's deja vue all over again, since the handsome stranger reveals that the flat tire he has now came to him the night before in a dream. 4. You're So Square -- Hoping for something a little more mystical than car trouble, Joni chides her handsome stranger for having the mundane excuse of his flat tire for hanging out underneath that streetlight. 5. Be Cool -- The handsome stranger protests being labelled "square" ... he's just cool! 6. Ladies Man -- Joni is starting to fall under the stranger's spell, but isn't quite ready to accept that he may, in fact, be the answer to her opening prayer. 7. Man to Man -- Still trying to talk herself into it, Joni remembers her own love life as less than perfect, so why not take a chance on this handsome stranger ... it's not like she hasn't done this before! 8. Moon At The Window -- Time must fly when you're falling in love, because the next thing Joni realizes, it's nighttime, and the silvery moon is shining down on her and the handsome acquaintance -- no longer a stranger. 9. Wild Things Run Fast -- The romantic dream comes crashing to an end, as a leather goddess in full Harley regalia roars up, hoists the charming stranger onto the seat and screams off into the night. 10. The Chinese Cafe -- Fast forward 30 years, and the whole sad tale is simply being related by Joni to Karen as they swap stories from the old days over the backyard fence. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: 29 Sep 99 13:52:57 PDT From: Frances Liccione Subject: Screen Savers This might be a dumb question, but ya' know what I would really love? A Joni Mitchell screen saver for my computer. C'mon you computer savvies (sp?)! Is there any place we can find some? ____________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:47:24 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: No Joni Content, but not for lack of trying One of the absolute best shows at work this year was today's performance by a group called "Sonia dada." I was blown away by their set which included a terrific version of Sly and the Family Stone's "I Want to Take You Higher." Although the day's promos were stinkin', lousy, virtually unplayable posters, I managed to charm a copy of their CD, "Lay Down and Love It Live," from one of the lead singers. I had it playing at work and lemme tell you, when a bunch of accountants start physically responding to the music, something's going on. I told the leader singer that if he let me have an advance copy, I'd post all about it to the Joni list. "Joni who?" he asked. With this, my co=workers groaned mightily because then I was off and running on Joni hype. Their website is www.soniadada.com and they will be in Fort Collins, CO, on 10/28, Denver CO on 10/29 and in Chicago, (their home base), on 11/20. Those who know me, know that I don't rave often about new music - so walk, don't run, (because street date on the album isn't until 10/12/99), and check out their new live album. MG np: Sonia dada: "Lester's Methadone Clinic" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 20:31:43 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Happy Anniversary TTT It was one year ago today that I was at Barnes & Nobles waiting for the store to open. I ran to the music department and waited again while they unboxed the new releases. I was so afraid they wouldn't have "Taming The Tiger" in stock, but YES they had it. I quickly went to my friends house who's also a Joni fan, and got my first listen. I played TTT over and over that day. Now we wait for the JM tribute album, and her standards album. Hurry Joan Hurry!!! Jimmy - who has been keeping a journal for the past 18 years ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 17:54:34 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: SV: Plug Of The Week #38 > Thank you, Peter. I wasn't doing this JUST to be a pain in the ass, > although I will admit to experiencing a kind of savage glee at the time of > writing - just couldn't tell Satan to begone! (Blame it on me Irish blood, > or blame it on the Bossa Nova). Catherine, Why is it I sometimes get the sneaking suspicion that your real name is 'Marge Delahanty, Warrior Princess'! ;-) Mark in Seattle wondering if anybody out there in Joniland (Canada in particular) ever watches 'This Hour Has 22 Minutes? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:03:45 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: WTRF - a song cycle > > > David said: > > < beautiful, sad song. I just dislike where it was put.>> And Bob did a little rearranging > So, how about this order to make a song cycle... > > 1. Underneath The Streetlight: She opens the record with a strong > declaration of love, the exciting "you-can-do-no-wrong" feeling of new > love; (snip) > 11. Love: She seeks out a classic definition of love so that she can see > where perhaps she went wrong and to reaffirm that love is the most > important thing, the greatest beauty. I like the thread you established and your sequencing fits it really well. Only problem is Joni was just falling into deep love when WTRF was recorded. In fact she was even willing to take that big leap and get married again. I don't know that there's anything wrong with the sequence of tracks on WTRF. But then again I don't know that there isn't something wrong with it either. I have to admit that it isn't one of my favorites and yet when I think of individual tracks from it, I think it has some great songs on it. So maybe Bob is right and the sequence really is out of whack. Maybe somebody should try recording it track by track in the sequence they think it should be in and see what we come up with! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 18:34:38 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: WTRF - a song cycle Now wait a minute, Bob - your track placement of WTRF was a parody?! O.K., so I'm a glazed-over romantic, but I thought your new sequence was absolutely brilliant! I got WTRF on both cassette and vinyl as soon as it came out because I was starved for new Joni after a few years drought. I played the hell out of it and even went through another cassette copy, but honestly, there has always been something about it that was "off" to me. I now really believe it *was* the sequencing because I love the songs individually but don't enjoy listening to the whole album itself all that much. Your sequence makes total sense to me both logically and musically and I would like to try taping it in your order sometime to see how it feels. Mark mentioned how Joni and Larry were just so much in love at the time - maybe they were so delirious that they threw the titles up in the air and wherever they came down determined the track placement/sequence ;-) Kakki > So, how about this order to make a song cycle... > > 1. Underneath The Streetlight > 2. Solid Love > 3. (You're So Square) Baby I Don't Care > 4. Be Cool > 5. You Dream Flat Tires > 6. Wild Things Run Fast > 7. Ladies Man > 8. Man to Man > 9: Moon at the Window > 10: Chinese Cafe/Unchained Melody > 11. Love ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 22:33:10 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Joni Tribute Fest Marian wrote: "I would be honored to accompany you, Wally. Can't wait for the JFNE Boxed-Set to come out so I can re-live the magic of your performance." Wow it seems like the collaborations are gearing up for my little party down here in the deep south. I am getting really excited. Still no more details yet, but soon I promise. Michael NP-Golden Goose-Todd ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Sep 1999 21:42:29 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: No Joni Content, but not for lack of trying MG wrote: when a bunch of accountants start physically responding to the music, something's going on.> Oh geez, don't you rub it in too! ;-) I knew Sonia dada was coming to town, but I didn't realize until this morning that it was LAST night. Arrg! They did a basically free (a couple cans of food) show last night in Portland, and the guys at KINK radio were raving about both the show and the new live CD today. Sonia dada has a cut on the KINK benefit CD that had all the artists recorded live in KINK's recording studio. Can read about at www.kinkfm102.com and order over the net. Some of the others on this really terrific benefit CD are Sarah Mac, Lyle Lovett, Shawn Colvin, Peter Himmelman, Wes Cunningham, and Pete Droge. And MG wasn't exaggerating, Sonia dada can even make this rhythm challenged old white woman move according! Penny NP Sonia dada...Phases of the Moon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:08:18 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Mingus...and a Joni question MG asked: >what are the top Joni songs that you find yourself humming to during your >day? (Or night for those of us not following the Ben Franklin school of >thought) There are a lot that I don't necessarily hum out loud, but I get a lot of "NPIMH" with these three: This Flight Tonight Dry Cleaner From Des Moines Cold Blue Steel & Sweet Fire A strange combination some might say, but then it's me, after all! Helen NPIMH: This Flight Tonight ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:15:17 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: WTRF - a song cycle (now a concept album) Don wrote: >10. The Chinese Cafe -- Fast forward 30 years, and >the whole sad tale is simply being related by Joni to >Karen as they swap stories from the old days over the >backyard fence. Karen or Carol? Actually I always had the feeling Joni was referring to Carole King in this song - the lyrics seem to fit (and Carole started out life as Carol) and they were both "pioneering" women in the rock'n'roll business in a way: Carol we're middle-class We're middle-aged We were wild in the old days Birth of rock'n'roll days Now your kid's are coming up straight And my child's a stranger I bore her, but I could not raise her This has probably been discussed before, and I'm way off the track - I seem to be getting my facts wrong a lot lately ;o) but does anyone else have any ideas? Helen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 30 Sep 1999 17:33:16 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: Screen Savers Frances wrote: >This might be a dumb question, but ya' know what I would really love? A Joni >Mitchell screen saver for my computer. C'mon you computer savvies (sp?)! Is >there any place we can find some? I don't know about screen-savers, but my wall-paper at work is Joni's water-colour for CSN's album "So Far" and I get a huge number of comments on it (all positive). It looks really cool! You can download it from Jochems' CSN site at: http://www.geocities.com/Nashville/4480 I've typed that from memory, so I hope it's right - I don't have time to check right now! Helen ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #212 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. 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