From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #187 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, September 12 1999 Volume 01 : Number 187 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: JMDL Digest V4 #397 [catman ] [Fwd: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #397] ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] Re: JONI IN MOVIES/TV [Bounced Message ] Re: Movie soundtracks (was What A Country!) (VLJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #397 [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Fundraiser update!!!! [suemc16@webtv.net (Susan McNamara)] Re: Strangers ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] Re: JONI IN MOVIES/TV [IVPAUL42@aol.com] List Joke ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Re: List Joke [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Jonifest [Thunderthumbs ] Photos ["Kakki" ] Re: List Joke [catman ] Re: JONI IN MOVIES/TV [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: List Joke ["gene mock" ] Re: List Joke SJC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] JoniFest 99 Thoughts and feelings (LONG) [Michael Paz ] Set List From My Dats Joni Fest 99 [Michael Paz ] Re: List Joke SJC [IVPAUL42@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 11:47:26 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #397 > i grew up hearing joni almost every other day. my mother loved her > so... my mother ...my mother , she showed me so much in this world that > is wonderful and i'm so happy joni was one of those things ( she swells > up with tears when i sing to her joni songs in my crude way . she smiles > through " free man in paris "... and she cries again during " i don't > know where i stand "). born in 1970, {{{ now 28 }}} > i kind of grew through my formative years as she grew into , through > and to her art (a tree). i loved every reach she made , every change in > her color . what a lady . you are my friends ( i hope thats ok ) > and now you know it . wow. Jess-thanks for this moving post. welcome to this list. The best on the net.bw colin > > > jess. - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:25:57 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: [Fwd: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #397] Message-ID: <37DA4A30.A69@snet.net> Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:25:20 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Reply-To: jlhall01@snet.net Organization: The Mortgage Finance Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SNET (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mr_lovesaint@webtv.net Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #397 References: <11286-37D9F1D8-17018@postoffice-251.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jess wrote: > > i grew up hearing joni almost every other day. my mother loved her > so... my mother ...my mother , she showed me so much in this world that > is wonderful and i'm so happy joni was one of those things (clip) born in 1970, {{{ now 28 }}} > i kind of grew through my formative years as she grew into , through > and to her art (a tree). i loved every reach she made , every change in > her color . what a lady . you are my friends ( i hope thats ok ) > and now you know it . wow. > > jess. Welcome Jess! Thanks so much for writing in...I grew up on Joni too (born in 73). My mom and I don't have the best relationship, but Joni is always a common ground for us. I, too, am very grateful to her that she embedded in me the love of Joni's music (and VanGogh paintings, poetry, and all the other stuff that she made me participate in at such a young age). Maybe we can both treat our moms next year by bringing them to Jonifest! - -Jenny from CT ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 14:50:18 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: JONI IN MOVIES/TV From: mr_lovesaint@webtv.net Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Hey... i dont know if this counts , but in a movie called " the strawberry statement" ( about the student take over of columbia ) , that has "circle game" over the titles and at the end over the credits. However , singing it is buffy-saint marie. Anybody heard of this flick? jess ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 15:19:29 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Movie soundtracks (was What A Country!) (VLJC) In a message dated 09/09/99 09:43:55 GMT Daylight Time, pglass@tasyo.kssp.upd.edu.ph writes: << np: Mathilde Santing's "Love of a Common Man" >> Another Mathilde Santing fan - praise be! I've just been listening to her wonderful rendition of "I Had a King", whilst doing a tape for the UK mini-joni-festers... Azeem NP: Caroline Lavelle's version of "A Case of You" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:09:46 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #397 In a message dated 9/11/1999 4:18:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mr_lovesaint@webtv.net writes: << i kind of grew through my formative years as she grew into , through and to her art (a tree). i loved every reach she made , every change in her color . what a lady . you are my friends ( i hope thats ok ) and now you know it . wow. jess. >> You have a very wonderful and insightful mother. Welcome out of lurkdonville and join in whenever! YEA! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:18:05 -0400 (EDT) From: suemc16@webtv.net (Susan McNamara) Subject: Re: Fundraiser update!!!! Ashara, thanks a million for doing such a great job with this fundraiser!! The generosity of this list is amazing and I'm very happy for Wally who deserves every penny and more. I just wanted to remind people that I still have A Day at the Garden photos on sale and I'm willing to send 50% of the proceeds from these photos to Wally to help the site. Go to the Joni Mitchell Home Page's Shop section and select the Day At the Garden photos from 8/15/98. www.jonimitchell.com/ Take care, Sue you can also reach me at my cornell address: sem8@cornell.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 08:09:02 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: Re: Strangers Wow, Bob, thanks for pointing that out. I can definately identify with both feelings. How strange it is that our perception can provide us with two totally different experiences! Jenny from CT Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com wrote: > > Anne quoted this line from Hejira: > > "Still sometimes the slightest touch of a stranger can set up trembling in > my bones", > > And it reminded me of Joni's other "stranger" line from "Down to You": > "You brush against a stranger and you both apologize" > > And it once again made me marvel at Joni's songwriting skills because she > describes the same thing, brushing up against a stranger, but implies two > totally different emotions....opposites almost. And it's all the more > powerful because it's something we've all experienced, a stranger's touch > being either thrilling or chilling. > > Bob > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or > entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential > and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended > recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any > use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, > reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message > is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact > the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any > views expressed in this message are those of the individual > sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the > company. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:27:05 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: JONI IN MOVIES/TV In a message dated 9/11/99 5:10:34 PM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << From: mr_lovesaint@webtv.net Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 13:14:38 -0400 (EDT) Hey... I dont know if this counts, but in a movie called " the strawberry statement" ( about the student take over of columbia ) , that has "circle game" over the titles and at the end over the credits. However , singing it is buffy-saint marie. Anybody heard of this flick? jess >> Yes, the "Strawberry Statement" is the movie from the book about the student uprising at San Francisco State College in 1967 or 1968, not Columbia. Kim Darby was the love interest of the lead actor, who I do not remember. S.I. Hayakawa was the president or chancellor of San Francisco St. at the time and made his reputation for his firm stance against the students. The film also featured the music of Neil Young "The Loner", Thunderclap Newman "Something in the Air" and others. I have a copy of it on videotape somewhere. The most memorable lines from the book was a passage in which the author compares the Vietcong to the cockroaches that live in his apartment. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 00:54:03 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: List Joke Question: How many list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? Answer: 1,343 - --1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light bulb has been changed; - --14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently; - --7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs; - --27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs; - --53 to flame the spell checkers; - --41 to correct spelling/grammar flames; - --6 to argue over whether it's "lightbulb" or "light bulb" and another 6 to condemn those 6 as anal-retentive; - --156 to write to the list administrator about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list; - --109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to litebulb-l; - --203 to demand that cross posting to grammar-l, spelling-l and illuminati-l about changing light bulbs be stopped; - --111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts *are* relevant to this mail list; - --306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique and what brands are faulty; - --27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs; - --14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly and to post the corrected URLs; - --3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list; - --33 to link all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers and then add "Me too"; - --12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy; - --19 to quote the "Me too's" to say "Me three"; - --4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ; - --44 to ask what is "FAQ"; - --4 to say "didn t we go through this already a short time ago on Usenet?" - --143 to ask "what's Usenet?" ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:56:55 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: List Joke In a message dated 9/11/99 6:51:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, peter.holmstedt@telia.com writes: << Question: How many list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? Answer: 1,343 >> 1,344. You forgot to mention the one who points out that this so-called joke was sent to this list, and probably every other list in Internet existence, at least once before and was barely funny the first time. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:57:41 -0400 From: Thunderthumbs Subject: Jonifest It was nice to hear the accounts of the Jonifest. I wish I could have gone. Even if I had "signed up" to go, car problems kept me from going anywhere that weekend, and I wouldn't have been able to make it. Maybe next time for me... Passion Play is now playing on the CD player. Makes me think about the "what ifs" if Joni made an album with Michael Hedges. I think the two would be such a nice match. Then you add Michael Manring on the Bass, and WOW, what a neat sound it could be. Rambling on, and thinking out loud... -Brad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 17:43:50 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Photos Hi Les, I noticed that Pearl has added a lot of photos similiar to mine (I should have consulted with her before sending my own out!) so if you could pleae just put up the two photos at Atty Mays for me. Thanks so much. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:28:54 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: List Joke And we also forgot the one member of the list who has no sense of humour and believes everyone shares his taste and sense of propriety. IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/11/99 6:51:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > peter.holmstedt@telia.com writes: > > << > Question: How many list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? > Answer: 1,343 >> > > 1,344. You forgot to mention the one who points out that this so-called joke > was sent to this list, and probably every other list in Internet existence, > at least once before and was barely funny the first time. - -- "It is better to be hated for what you are than to be loved for what you are not." TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:30:02 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: JONI IN MOVIES/TV Saw it when it came out; it wasn't all that memorable. Did it star Bruce Davidson (sp?), later to be immortal thanks to WILLARD & BEN? LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:51:05 -0700 From: "gene mock" Subject: Re: List Joke Catman, Amen to that! Hope all is well with you. - ----- Original Message ----- From: catman To: Sent: Saturday, September 11, 1999 6:28 PM Subject: Re: List Joke > And we also forgot the one member of the list who has no sense of humour and > believes everyone shares his taste and sense of propriety. > > IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/11/99 6:51:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > peter.holmstedt@telia.com writes: > > > > << > > Question: How many list subscribers does it take to change a light bulb? > > Answer: 1,343 >> > > > > 1,344. You forgot to mention the one who points out that this so-called joke > > was sent to this list, and probably every other list in Internet existence, > > at least once before and was barely funny the first time. > > > > -- > "It is better to be hated for what you are > than to be loved for what you are not." > TANTRA'S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS > http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk > > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:48:32 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: List Joke SJC In a message dated 9/11/99 9:31:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << And we also forgot the one member of the list who has no sense of humour and believes everyone shares his taste and sense of propriety. >> It is unfair to say anyone has "no" sense of humor as if the person were blind and had "no" sense of sight. Some people have a more- or less-refined sense than others, and still others are easily bored by repitition or lack of creativity, not to mention the omission of NJC. When Catman posted a similar kind of list some time ago, it was obvious that HE had put some effort into writing or rewriting it to make it interesting to his audience -- the list. Others merely pass stuff along like they're shoveling so much manure out to the Internet; it's no wonder that's what the Internet seems to have the most of so far. How interesting would Joni's impending album of standards be if she was merely doing again arrangements that numerous others have done, instead of putting her own mark on each one? We might buy it, but I doubt many others would. That's Roger Whittaker territory. He's got a nice voice, but... To digress further, that has long been the knock on Gary Puckett. He had a better voice than 98 percent of the rock singers who made it big, but even his own people eventually became critical of his song selection and arrangements. Give me Bruce Springsteen and Joni any day. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:14:18 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: JoniFest 99 Thoughts and feelings (LONG) Hello Festers and Listers- I am finally catching up with myself and have started catching up on the digests. I am so overcome with emotion reading everyones take on the weekend. Reading Marian's post I was screaming laughing one minute about her hiding the guitar under the bed and elephant tears rolling with her accounts of me playing and how that made her feel. NP-Terry Playing Woman of Heart and Mind at the Fest I am going to jump all over the place like I usually do cause I think everyone has heard great time lines and besides I am ElsmartassO and I can. When Terry started playing I was on stage and singing and playing along, but then I moved out to the crowd and sat next to Bern. When she played Woman of Heart and Mind I just lost it. It was so beautiful and I just welled up with emotion. At that moment so many thought came over me and most of them were feelings of gratitude to Joni, Les, Ashara, Wally, and everyone else that made the whole thing possible. Being able to share this music and all music with so many wonderful people is just the best thing in my life now (besides the family that is). When I read other folks posts on the way they were feeling, I have to say a big ME TOO on so many of them. It is an indescribably delicious feeling to know that you have touched someone through music and so many of you have made me feel SO special and I am truly grateful. NP-John Singing in Dutch and Roberto playing piano (and piercing my heart) John was an amazing surprise that I was not expecting, but enjoyed so much. Thank you for the talks and the drinks and the smokes and I pray that I be allowed to visit you in your country and have a six hour meal with you and talk and sing and play again. I also want to extend the invitation to you, to come to New Orleans and see how us smartasscoonassO's do it. It was so lovely to see and hear Roberto playing and Friday night when he was learning John's song, he did it with such grace and ease. Vewy much like my guru Marian who figured out Dreamland whilst I had a cup of tea and a bagel. That was one of the highest points I reached being able to play that one with you and the gang on stage. ...said the apple to the orange all I want is you to come close to me and kiss me to the core then you might know me like no other orange has ever done before... Did someone say Kakki had only one martini??? That can't be the same Kakki I know. I fixed her at least two. OH I KNOW!~= you meant at one time, right? I am listening to the tapes and am also up to my set which is a scary thing for me cause I am always my own worst critic (or best whichever way you look at it) I have discovered the first song I have is Just Like This Train so I missed my first tune and only the first verse of Song For Sharon. The first verse of Chinese Cafe is missing. (Les did you get it?) Also the first half of Night in the City is cut off in Terry's set on my tape. I also am missing Ashara, Brian, and WallyK. Somebody PLEASE tell me we have all of these stellar performances!!! NEXT YEAR CAN WE PLEASE HAVE A FULL TIME SOUND PERSON AND TAPE ENGINEER? That way the rest of us can just play and enjoy. We can even try to multi-track it. Hell I have adats, what's a few more bags to bring. Especially since I have done the shrimp for the last time :-}. Another one of the extreme highs for me this year was to hear a tape sent to me, by my wicked step brother Marcel. WOW! What an amazing version of Cactus Tree and For Free. The whole tape is fantastically done and all by the maestro himself. He has been talking to me privately about doing a musical celebration in SF. I am getting really excited about the possibilities of this adventure. I would like to thank Sahara's neighbours for pounding that infernal hammer during everyones set but mine. Assholes! I am inviting New Orleans resident Trent Reznor to rehearse his band at Ashara's backside neighbours for a whole week. Of course we will transplant Ashara safely to New Orleans to eat some "Mutilated Broccoli Soup" and of course the ever popular "Road Kill Mushroom Pancakes". Bob was so much fun to have around and I feel like I have known him for years, which is kinda the way it is with alot of the folks there. Now when I read his post I can just taste the grits in his voice. You need to hang with us longer next time Bob and go on the extended sojourn to points north of Topsfield. And oh by the way Bob, the consensus seems to be that you are VERY butch and apparently quite good looking. Frankly I am attracted to your inner beauty and of course your great tastes in music. Continuing listening to the tapes I am playing Hejira and I see why I got lost the first time. Brian was sending chills up my spine with some of those really tasty licks. (that might have been too graphic a visual even for myself). Ashara for someone that didn't know Cherokee Louise, you did a damn fine job girl. And I am really glad YOU did Two Grey Rooms. NP-Marian-All Along The Watchtower at Atty Mays Fast forward to Atty. Mays------- Wow I love this place and this woman. How many other lunatics (besides Ashara that is) that would open up her place of business (or home) to a caravan like ours. I propose we invite her next year to be part of the official fest, even thought she is still not a list member YET (Show of hands please). I even saw the ghosts again this year in daylight and Pearl has the proof in the floppy. I appreciate everybody coming down to check the place out and strongly encourage you to help close down the place next year. Why you ask because it's so much fun just ask anyone. It was really sad when everyone had to start going to the airport. As usual Kakki and I were the last ones out of there and of course made another friend of spirit (and spirits) Susan the cocktail waitress, who was singing along with us the whole day and night. I am sure she felt like it was carrying water to the elephants when I got started on the Mount Gay Rum. My throat was really gone by this time as I am sure the tapes will verify, but I did get a second wind sometime later that night. By the way Patrick the bartender asked me for your phone #, but regretfully you have never given it to me. (Just another reason for us to have a master Joni List Data Base for quick reference) NP-Song For Sharon-Me at Atty May's (this was a pretty good take and what a wonderful beautiful and diverse audience) I guess I better continue later as this is getting rather breathy. Love to you all, Michael NP-Yvette En Ingles-Marian at Atty.'s WOW WOW WOW!!! Truly a little bit of instant bliss ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 18:51:14 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: List Joke SJC Paul wrote: > Some people have a more- or less-refined sense than others, and still > others are easily bored by repitition or lack of creativity, not to mention > the omission of NJC. Just an observation, Paul, but I'm on four other lists for artists up around Joni's caliber and these jokes are never criticised or met with any type of rebuke. I never see correction of grammar and spelling on those lists, either, nor the admonition when someone forgets to write N-whatever-C. Maybe we are just more refined than those other list people. Kakki, unable to get to San Diego ;-( ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 21:31:02 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Set List From My Dats Joni Fest 99 This is what is available and will be sent out to all the leaders listed. I will continue to post what was played at May's later on Sunday and that will be made available as well. Chuck E. Rainy Night House Chuck E. & Ashara You Can Close Your Eyes The Police Arrive!!! Ashara Millworker Chuck E. Wichita Lineman Ann Ricaby Original Ann Ricaby Big Yellow Taxi Ann Ricaby Conversation Catgirl Chelsea Morning Catgirl Conversation Catgirl Big Yellow Taxi Catgirl Coyote Marian Number One Marian Help Me Marian Crazy Cries of Love Marian The Wolf That Lives in Lindsey Terry + Ensemble Night In The City (incomplete) Terry + Ensemble Morning Morgantown Terry + Ensemble Electricity Terry For Free Terry + Ensemble This Flight Tonight Terry + Ensemble All I Want Terry Woman of Heart and Mind (my favorite) John and Roberto Dutch Song (need song title and writer) John Van Tiel Small Fruit Song Paz Just Like This Train Paz Song For Sharon (incomplete) Paz Chinese Cafe (incomplete) Paz With Chuck E. & Brain Amelia Paz With Chuck E. & Brain Hejira Paz + Ensemble (aka F Troop) Cherokee Louise Unfortunately my Dat player did not get anything else. We hope to compile the rest of the missing songs from Les's and Chuck's recordings. Best wishes, Paz NP-Rainy Night House- AT Atty Mays ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 11 Sep 1999 20:45:56 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: JoniFest 99 Thoughts and feelings (LONG) Michael remembered: > NP-Marian-All Along The Watchtower at Atty Mays Oh Gawd, yes, Marian's take on this song was stupendous and stopped me stunned in my tracks. It makes me want to attend Marian's Dylanfest at the castle next year just to hear more! > NP-Yvette En Ingles-Marian at Atty.'s WOW WOW WOW!!! Truly a little bit > of instant bliss Oh yes, again - it was gorgeous! Marian, I think it's really time for you to put out your first official CD/album. By the way, I'm organizing several piles of photos from the Fest to sent out to some of you partygoers. If anyone was cameraless there and wants any photos, please let me know. I have lots of extras to share. Kakki NP: CPR - One For Every Moment ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Sep 1999 02:29:11 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: List Joke SJC In a message dated 9/11/99 10:20:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << Just an observation, Paul, but I'm on four other lists for artists up around Joni's caliber and these jokes are never criticized or met with any type of rebuke. I never see correction of grammar and spelling on those lists, either, nor the admonition when someone forgets to write N-whatever-C. Maybe we are just more refined than those other list people. Kakki, unable to get to San Diego ;-( >> What lists are those? I'll have to join them. ;>) Paul I ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #187 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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