From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #182 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, September 8 1999 Volume 01 : Number 182 The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Jonifest Magic ["Kakki" ] Part 1: On mustaches and faces ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Jonifest Magic [MGVal@aol.com] Converting the young ["Janet Field" ] Re: Converting the young [MGVal@aol.com] Re: The musical taste of kids these days [MDESTE1@aol.com] Ashara's ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] marcel's comment [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Converting the young [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] IF there's a next year. [LOREN CARTER ] Fave bass albums (SJC) [Chris Marshall ] Re: The musical taste of kids these days ["Catherine McKay" ] Joni New LP News! [Les Irvin ] The SSSSSSSSSSNAKE room! ["Catherine McKay" ] JoniFest ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Joni New LP News! [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Joni New LP News! [Les Irvin ] re: Ashara's ["Ray & Cathy" ] Ashara's [Anne Sandstrom ] Jonifest [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: The SSSSSSSSSSNAKE room! [catman ] Joni LP News- 2 [Bounced Message ] more on new Joni!! [Bounced Message ] Joni Gathering at Ashara's [Ginamu@aol.com] 100% Joni Content ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] JoniFest '99 [Sue ] Joni in Movies ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Re: Joni in Movies [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Jonifest ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Re: Joni in Movies/TV [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Joni in Movies [IVPAUL42@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 01:15:40 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Jonifest Magic Because the party never ends until a few days later for people like Mr. Paz and myself, I have just arrived home and finished reading the Fest posts ;-D It is never easy to put it all into words, but many of you have described very eloquently the impressions, feelings and emotional high that characterizes these truly magical gatherings of friends and soulmates of spirit. I'm very blissful from our incredeible time but the pang of missing you all is already setting in, too. I must thank Ashara for her generosity and that Leo courage to take this on once again! It is just a marvel to me. Thank you endlessly for doing so much to offering up your beautiful home, time and caring for this event. (The "lost" gold ball earring is mine and was originally lost in the backyard - somehow your angels carried it into the house where you found it!) It was so wonderful to see Maggie, Chuck, Katie, Ric and Heather again - you guys are so great and such stellar human beings. Thank you for your sweetness. One of my main motivations for wanting to travel to the Jonifests is the chance to reunite with so many old friends and also the thrill of meeting up real time with those who I've not yet met. I get my hug fix with my dear buddies Patrick, Julie, Mark, Terry, Kenny, Pearl and get to finally connect with everyone else who I've wanted to meet for so long. I'm still too high to be in anyway eloquent but did want to ramble a bit impressionistic-ly of the reverie of images repeating in my head. I forced Mr. Paz to stop for awhile in Maine yesterday so I could run all my film through one-hour photo because I missed everyone already and had to have your images before me right away. I can't scan and send them right away but will snail mail some to Les. - Everytime I saw Les I kept thinking how none of this would have ever happened without him. It is amazing to think that his original concept and creation has evolved into so much more than anyone could ever imagine. - - Walking into Ashara's backyard Saturday afternoon, hearing the beautiful music and seeing this huge sea of jmdl'ers all with beatific smiles on their faces - hugging all my long lost brothers and sisters as Mr. Gross proffered endless rounds of Paz shrimpies. Dreamland, indeed. - - Meeting new people like the very kind, fascinating and classy John Van Tiel who serenaded me with beautiful flamenco guitar and proffered endless sizes and shapes of top-drawer cigars and chocolates. - - Being totally blown away by Catgirl's gorgeous singing voice - Wow!! - - So happy to see our sweet Marian and experiencing her interpretation of Joni's music. How many times so many expressed over the weekend "She does that one even better than Joni!" Thank you so much Marian, for making the trek once again and joining us at Atty May's. - - Finally meeting the very delightful Roberto, who I'd always imagined as somewhat conservative but who is really a magic elf who certainly earns a Kakki award for party stamina ;-D - - Missing Evian, but getting to laugh myself to tears with his submission of the absolutely hysterical Top Ten lists so perfectly read by our peerless emcee Bob. - - Hanging at the Super 8 Motel (which, in spite of the moniker, was surprisingly a very nice colonial-style inn) with Penny and Gina. I'm so glad they decided to come to the Fest at the last minute. Thanks Penny for being a trouper caravaning and hanging with us till we closed it down at Atty Mays. - - Passing through the kitchen very late Saturday night (Sunday morning) to see Julie dressing up the sleeping dog Pippin in a Siquomb T-shirt and posing him with a surrounding arrangement of Joni items. - - Finally meeting fun and sweet Laura and Jody from Chicago. Laura, the Queen Supreme of the Deal should have been my mother's daughter and Jody also wins a Kakki party stamina certificate for hanging cheerfully on crutches till the wee hours of the morning. I treasure our "Blues Brothers" photo with Wally K and Roberto outside Atty Mays! - - Watching Atty May in a complete trance with tears in her eyes at Michael's performance of Hejira - - So glad I let Brian and MG take that blackmail photo of me holding up the gallon bottle of Tangueray Sunday afternoon. I swear it looks exactly like one of those typical British humour Tangueray ads with me smiling ethereally and Les standing with a very dignified and proper frown behind me! *(The car attendants at Hertz Rent A Car were the happy recipients of the three remaining Tangueray, Bombay and Gordon's bottles this morning, by the way). - - And always, the music, non-stop. To hear all you singing and playing. So grateful for all the efforts of those who work so devotedly at learning the music, hauling the guitars, equipment, wires, mics and songbooks. It's late and I'm already turning back into a pumpkin. Thank you all so much for everything - love you guys! Kakki NP: Bryan Thomas - Radio Plastic Jennifer on the 3rd replay ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 05:53:56 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: Part 1: On mustaches and faces I've been waiting for the post-Jonifest blues to wear off to sit down and write a few lines about our weekend at Ashara's. Well, that may never happen, so I'll sit and write now. I arrived at Ashara's, after three days of moveable feasts in New York City, Saturday noon. I was met at the airport by gloriously moustachioed Jim, a most distracting sight. On the rare occasions that I managed to look away from Jim's mustache, I noticed by the aspect of the houses and the stone commemorating the death of a few witches at the stake that I was in New England at long last! I could never have imagined, though, that the real feast of feasts was just about to begin. In no time, I was saying hello to a flurry of faces that I was desperately trying to match to names that were escaping my mind as soon as I heard them. If you're seeking the most mind-boggling experience this side of hallucinogens, try the first few minutes at a Jonifest. Folks were already having lunch out in the fragrant, breezy garden in the back. Until quite some time later I went on losing track of who was who -- despite the beautiful name tags that we all wore but that I for some reason kept forgetting to look at. I knew only that sometime during those few minutes I met dear, dear Mary Grace, whom I couldn't refrain from hugging continually; Michael Paz, whom I immediately felt like asking if I could be his best friend; Ashara, warm and welcoming and gorgeous in her Mother Earth jewelry; Marian, whom I've loved passionately ever since I can remember; Brian Gross, Wotan-voiced and wolf-eyed; Bob, a cross between Robert De Niro and James Caan, saying, "I have something for you, Wally"; Mark from Seattle, mysterious and breathtakingly beautiful; folks, folks and more folks [don't worry, I got to know who you were eventually -- these are just the first few minutes]; and Roberto, about whom I may write a song someday. Gradually, I could focus enough to take in Terry, Gina, Bryan, KENNY!, PATRICK!, HEATHER!, CHUCK! Fearing imminent brain damage, I took time out to drink some ginger ale and try to begin assimilating the experience. People kept coming in and out of sight; Pearl and husband Steve, John Van Tiel, Bern, Kate, Anne, famous Kakki, the one and only JULIE!!!, and yes, that guy in the denim shorts is ... LES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Later, I would meet sweet, dear pal Jody and more and more jmdlers. And more adventures than I could fathom at that point too ... Hmmm, I wonder if you would like to know more... Wally\K ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:42:19 +0200 From: "Winfried Hühn" Subject: Jonifest at Ashara's Dear Jonifesters, lots of good Jonivibes coming through the wires and popping up on my computer screen ... thank you so much for enabling us to participate. I don't have time at the moment to read all your wonderful reports, so it's especially nice to have so many pictures to look at! I'm organizing a conference and learning a lot about hosting and catering for a bunch of diverse people -- I'd be more than happy to make this experience available for holding a Jonifest-Europe in a (hopefully) not too distant future. Winfried ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 06:58:24 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Jonifest Magic In a message dated 9/8/99 1:46:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kakkib@att.net writes: << So glad I let Brian and MG take that blackmail photo of me holding up the gallon bottle of Tangueray Sunday afternoon. I swear it looks exactly like one of those typical British humour Tangueray ads with me smiling ethereally and Les standing with a very dignified and proper frown behind me! A picture that we are all expecting to see up on the website soon! Right under the "MG caught napping" photo!!!! MG - up early because I had my nap.... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:54:08 +0700 From: "Janet Field" Subject: Converting the young Catherine asked: <<...for a kid who listens to this kind of music, if you were going to introduce her properly to Joni Mitchell, what would you play first? >> I'm a couple of digests behind so hope this isn't a dead issue already. I teach music in school and know the syndrome you describe well! One song that has never failed me - whether with keyboards & guitars or a choral arrangement - is Circle Game. Kids can empathise with the words and the music is very accessible. I tried Chelsea Morning once and that went down well too. If kids have access to keyboards or music software/soundcards they can create their own rhythm track and maybe come up with a 'remix' all of their own! Obviously, making the music is going to be more engaging than just listening at that age but it might be worth a try. As for inroads from the hip-hop world (which I feel has scales of quality like every other music type), I've read some good suggestions already. The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill is also rich in possibilities and connections. This morning my 10th graders brought their own choice of songs (had to be 'good' songs) for seminars on analysis & critique. Be assured that those 12 year olds develop pretty diverse tastes and are delighted to share them if the climate is right! Janet ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 07:22:58 EDT From: MGVal@aol.com Subject: Re: Converting the young In a message dated 9/8/99 4:08:56 AM Pacific Daylight Time, janetf@bigpond.com.kh writes: << This morning my 10th graders brought their own choice of songs (had to be 'good' songs) for seminars on analysis & critique. Be assured that those 12 year olds develop pretty diverse tastes and are delighted to share them if the climate is right! >> I remember those high school daze! This was a project in 9th grade English back in 1973 and I chose Joni's "River." As the song came on with the "jingle bells" intro, everyone started to snicker that I was bringing in Christmas songs in the middle of October, but I was encouraged by Mr. Guinta who seemed to be appreciative of listening to something other than "Stairway to Heaven" or "Goodby Yellowbrick Road" for the umpteenth time. As I type this out and think about what I had to say about the song, it's interesting that it appealed to me back in '73 when I was 14 but at that age, I could not begin to fathom the full emotional scope of the song. When I look at it now that I'm 40, with my own memories of heartbreak and pain to call my very own, I know the song even better because of my own trips down the River. One of the best things about Joni's songs is that a lot of the upbeat and a lot of the pain themes work well with teenaged angst, but they are not superficial and as the listener continues to mature and experience, the songs seem to grow right along with you. Which makes me think that for converting the younger set, the Circle Game and Chelsea Morning and Night in the City sort of songs are a good start as people have pointed out. For the more mature, but not yet driving age, I see starting w/ something like "Court and Spark." So many of the songs have good beats and a lot of them have the emotional pitch that dovetails well w/ teenaged emotions, such as "Trouble Child." What kid HASN'T felt that: "they open and close you, they act like they know you, they don't know you.....?" MG - off to bake an onion tart and anticipating "Ma! The house stinks this morning!" from the rest of the gang..... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:07:06 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: The musical taste of kids these days I agree with Bob. Kids today have very little regard for "music" and "melody". Although I will hasten to add that any "kid" will soon be into Joni when they start to have real relationships particularly with a serious boy or girl friend. Joni is about relationships between people and those songs of hers will hit their buttons at some point. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 09:09:11 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: Ashara's Thanks to everyone for their renditions and pictures of the weekend at ashara's. Now I don't feel left out as much. I feel like I know each of you alot better than before, even though we haven't met yet. I know I'm still some faceless JMDL'er to all of you, though, so I MUST get to the next one! So when and where is it???? ;-) - -Jenny from CT ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 09:19:42 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: marcel's comment marcel writes: <> Uh-oh, now I'm worried...According to the Book of Revelation, when the angel of the Seventh Seal blows upon the seventh golden trumpet and swings his seven candlesticks, Marcel will agree with Bob and the beginning of the Apocalypse will be ushered in... "Surely some revelation is at hand Surely it's the second coming And wrath has finally taken form For what is this rough beast Its hour come at last..." So maybe there IS some truth to this Y2K end of the world stuff! Ashara, I hope you realize that if the world does start to end, all JMDLer's will sojourn to Topsfield to spend the final days together...:~) PS: I forgot to mention in my report (can you believe I forgot to mention ANYTHING in my report?) about marcel calling in to Jonifest and that I had the pleasure of talking to him. Interesting footnote: He even SPEAKS in lower case! :~) Bob NP: "Marcie" from Second Fret, 10-12-67 (TT #3) -------------------------------------------------------------- The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that any use, review, retransmission, dissemination, distribution, reproduction or any action taken in reliance upon this message is prohibited. If you received this in error, please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender and may not necessarily reflect the views of the company. -------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:12:48 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Converting the young Janet said: <> Janet, your comment made me think of something else that would be fun with young kids, and that would doing "Dreamland" like we did it at the fest - with lots of fun percussion instruments, drums, shakers, kazoos, etc. Even the words are full of images that kids can picture and are fun too: "Donkey vendors slicing coconut" "Walter Raleigh & Chris Columbus come marching out of the waves" "Mary in a feather hula hoop" Unfortunately, it may be controversial in a school setting because of the "Marlboro" reference, but it sure was fun doing it on Ashara's deck! Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:43:56 -0400 From: LOREN CARTER Subject: IF there's a next year. Ashara, After reading all of the messages about all of the fun, good times, comraderie, stories, music, friendship, fellowship, and seeing the pictures, I would like to place a reservation for next years' event (IF there is one) for my wife and me. When I ordered the caramel popcorn for delivery to your house, the popcorn folks goofed up my credit card number. They called my house to get a good number so that they could complete the order. Well, my wife wanted to know who I was sending caramel popcorn to, and who was "Sharon" in Massachusetts. After the swelling went down ( ;-O ), I explained to her about the event, and how you all helped me get her the Joni lithograph, and get through the MS disgnosis times. I still have trouble sometimes talking about it, but typing is much easier. You all have been a great big shoulder for me to lean on, and I wanted to "repay" the debt in some little manner, so I offered to send popcorn up your way. Then I screwed that up too. Anyway, she said that it sounded like a great time, when I mentioned that we coud arrange to go next year (assuming there is one). So, if there is to be one, can we come? Loren.... PS....with Hurricane Dennis hitting the eastern shore of Maryland this past weekend, I don't know if the popcorn got out in time, but it should be on the way. Next year, I'll bring it with me. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:35:46 +0100 From: Chris Marshall Subject: Fave bass albums (SJC) I just picked up the September issue of "Bassist" today, and one of the items was Nick Quinn, the bass player from Supergrass, (do you have them in the USA?) listing his top three bass albums. They were:- 1) The Stranglers - Rattus Norvegicus (1977) For "sheer f***ing style and agression" 2) Can - Eye Bamyas (1972) For "...very avant garde bass, some very odd sounds and stuff." And :) 3) Joni Mitchell - Shadows and Light (1980) "And, er, I can't think of anther... OK, without getting musu, Jaco Pastorius- that's just outrageous bass playing. When I was 15 I was quite a Joni Mitchell fan and I managed to get hold of this live album, a double live album, and some of the bass playing on that is bordering on not being bass playing at all. He shows you what you can actually do on bass. In a lot of ways it's not to aspire to, 'cos if you go that route then you're compromising songs, really. You've got to fit in with the other musicians and it can get pretty self-indulgent when you're off on that one. But just for pure listening to bass, that's the one to go for." Given that S&L came at Joni's most jazzy period, I think his comments are a little unfair: most of the time Jaco fit in pretty well with what the rest of the band were doing. Perhaps Mr. Quinn isn't that keen on Jazz. Who knows, or, for that matter, cares. Regards, - --Chris NP: Lots of trashy UK/euro pop chart music, while I pack for my little trip to Chicago. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:05:08 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: The musical taste of kids these days Well, didn't your parents also think you had no taste? After the soda-pop music they're listening to now they will, one would hope, move on to something with "deeper meaning" - although not necessarily to our taste. My mother never did get Joni Mitchell, but my Dad was [almost] always open to new things. One of my mother's passive-agressive, and only occasionally amusing, ways of conveying her disapproval of anything (i.e., anything that wasn't from an Anglo- or Irish-Catholic background - or as my Italian-Canadian brother-in-law would say - "white"!) was to deliberately mispronounce or screw up names. For example, in high school, my best friend's surname was Mezzavilla. My mother would always call her Matchabelli. And even though Mitchell is about as "white" a name as you could get, my mother always called her Joni James. For God's sake, mama. Wasn't there some singer by the name of Joni James at some point during the '60's or '70's? I have an image of a Joey Hetherington type, the kind of chick lounge-singer with bleached-blonde hair. Whatever. As for the kids getting into relationships, God help us! I'm not ready, so they better not be! My daugher at 12 still hates boys (and at that age, I don't blame her!) but my son, just gone 9, already knows who he's going to marry, but has a couple on the backburner just in case his true love, Robin, turns him down. I hasten to add that he has hardly even spoken to his goddess, much less popped the question, but every time he talks about her, his lovely eyes light up. The kid never ceases to amaze me. >From: MDESTE1@aol.com >To: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com, cateri@hotmail.com >CC: joni@smoe.org >Subject: Re: The musical taste of kids these days >Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 08:07:06 EDT > >I agree with Bob. Kids today have very little regard for "music" and >"melody". Although I will hasten to add that any "kid" will soon be into >Joni >when they start to have real relationships particularly with a serious boy >or >girl friend. Joni is about relationships between people and those songs of >hers will hit their buttons at some point. marcel deste. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:10:05 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Bob, show thyself I'm with you, John! If there's one person I'd really like to know what he looks like (I recognize that was really bad English, but I can't think of the proper way to say that just now!) it's Bob Muller of Fluoride (or whatever the hell the rest of that address is!) Not that you're ever going to catch my ugly mug anywhere! cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 10:22:41 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Joni New LP News! From: "Tortorici, Frank" Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 10:26:16 -0400 From today's SonicNet/Addicted to Noise!!! Joni Mitchell Recording Vocals In L.A. Veteran singer/songwriter Joni Mitchell began recording vocal tracks in Los Angeles last week for her next album, tentatively titled Both Sides Now. Expected in early 2000, the LP includes Mitchell's favorite standards as well as re-recorded versions of her own songs, including "Both Sides Now" and "A Case of You." Mitchell has been invited to debut the album with a full orchestra at La Scala, the birthplace of opera, in Milan, Italy. Meanwhile, The Joni Mitchell Tribute Album, featuring Chaka Khan, Elvis Costello, Björk and Janet Jackson performing their favorite Joni Mitchell songs, will hit stores late this year. [Wed., Sep 8, 1999 12:22 AM EDT] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 16:43:54 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: The SSSSSSSSSSNAKE room! When I first heard about the Snake Room, I thought that maybe Ashara's place was actually Graceland and am so glad we've been enlightened on that. Colin, you'd love this... NOT! A month or so ago, they had a streetfair in my neighbourhood that all the local businesstypes were sponsoring. There was a travelling reptile show, which included a humungous PYTHON, with which you could have your picture taken for $5. My son and his best friend just had to have a picture with the snake, so I forked out five bucks and got a polaroid of Matthew and Stephen and THE BIG SNAKE. I was chatting with the reptile guy and asked him, "how much do those things weigh anyway?" and he asked me if I would like to try it. So I got to hold the python, and man, are those suckers heavy! I used to be afraid of snakes (even now, they're not one of my favourite things), but after I touched this python, and then got to hold it, it wasn't bad at all. They're not scaly - they have nice smooth skins, like leather. Unfortunately, I didn't have another 5 on me, so I didn't get my picture with it, and anyway, have sworn not to have another picture taken until I've lost 50 pounds (in other words, it'll never happen!) Hope I haven't grossed you out too much, but snakes are actually kind of cool, an a weird sort of way. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 17:17:22 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: JoniFest Aww, jeez, I really wish I could have made it. It sounded like so much fun! I am amazed at the fact you can pull this off - getting a bunch of basically strangers to show up from all over the world, putting them up in your house, feeding them and organising the whole thing. I get totally stressed out if I even have my parents over for dinner, (and they're not difficult people!) and the very thought of organising a birthday party for one of my kids means I have to put a brown paper bag over my head and practice deep breathing exercises, so I really have to hand it to people like you. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 13:31:05 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Joni New LP News! - --0__=m0YV0bdKMZJPegRisKijl1WtPa4LjDJHmJ8z1E51crGZR19PjhOuzMZf Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline The Man Himself shared: <> Les, you need to do some digging and tell us who all = is on this thing! I'm dying to know! Surely if this proj= ect is safely in the can, we can get a track listing... This looks like a job for......SUPER LES! :~D Bob, music (and especially tribute album) slut = - --0__=m0YV0bdKMZJPegRisKijl1WtPa4LjDJHmJ8z1E51crGZR19PjhOuzMZf-- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 12:01:36 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: Re: Joni New LP News! At 11:31 AM 9/8/1999 , you wrote: >Les, you need to do some digging and tell us who all is >on this thing! I'm dying to know! Surely if this project >is safely in the can, we can get a track listing... Actually, it was Frank Tortorici that sent this message. It bounced and I sent it through under the wrong cover. So, this looks like a job for SUPER FRANK! Les ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 11:42:41 -0700 From: "Ray & Cathy" Subject: re: Ashara's I couldn't put it any better, Jennifer. Thank you, everyone, for thinking of us and keeping us posted. My husband and I watched "Celebration at Big Sur" saturday morning...oh, what a treat that was! Then we hiked up to a lookout peak where its like you're on the edge of the world..brilliant blue sky and ocean as far as the eye can see..grazing elk, seagulls circling endlessly. Then, on the next mountain 2 hikers popped into view, then "retreated" as my husband said. Without even thinking, I said, "Like troops, to fall on other fields & streets..." and he laughed so hard, saying..."She's ON!!!!" (he's used to these spontaneous lyric outbursts) Then passing some poppies, I burst out with "Poppy poison....poppy tourniquet", but he hasn't heard HOSL enouph, so he suddenly became concerned that I'd been bitten by something........it was too funny! We Joniphiles certainly put our partners through the paces sometimes...LOL Have a great day, all..... Cathy in Oregon - -----Original Message----- From: Jennifer L. Nodine To: joni@smoe.org Date: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 6:18 AM Subject: Ashara's >Thanks to everyone for their renditions and pictures of the weekend at >ashara's. Now I don't feel left out as much. I feel like I know each >of you alot better than before, even though we haven't met yet. I know >I'm still some faceless JMDL'er to all of you, though, so I MUST get to >the next one! So when and where is it???? ;-) >-Jenny from CT > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:23:36 -0400 From: Anne Sandstrom Subject: Ashara's Hi everyone. First off, (in case you're confused) I'm (or I was) Anne Rickaby. They just changed my email here at work (yay) So, on to important stuff. Ashara's was "a dream I had awake..." Looking at the pictures made me realize what an incredible, amazing, warm, musical, delicious event it was in the midst of a whirlwind week. I got there after driving home from a vacatin in New Hampshire, and finding a (now infamously) sick cat at home. I was a little nervous as I approached Ashara's yard and was greeted by a policeman - but he smiled so I took a deep breath and said - ok, here goes. Walking into the yard was almost overwhelming. I thought, "Everyone here knows Joni's music as well as or probably better than I do." And before I knew it, I was on 'stage', playing! But I got to quickly say hi to a few people - and was stunned to have Les introduce himself. (We're both also Pierre Bensusan fans - talk about RARE!!!) So, playing was great, but a little scary. I started with a song I wrote inspired by Chelsea Morning. (I pretty much played the chords backwards and came up with this song.) I was so amazed when I asked at the end of the song which Joni tune inspired it - and it seemed everyone said "Chelsea Morning" at the same time. Wow!!! Then I did Big Yellow Taxi, Conversation, and Cactus Tree. In retrospect, I wish I'd done Slouching Toward Bethlehem, Borderline, and Night Ride Home, but maybe next year??? Then, I got to sit back and listen. How amazing to hear one Joni song after another - and done by such wonderfully talented musicians. Oh, and I did get to join in on This Flight Tonight as part of the "F-Troop." That was GREAT!!! Ashara's warmth was genuine and infectious. I'm hoping we can get together again, since we live so close to one another. In her purple top and bright yellow pants, she was the picture of radiant joy. What a remarkable woman! So, some random impressions: Wally's sweet voice tickling my ear with his wonderful renditions of Joni's music... the sweet/spicy smell and taste of shrimp... delight at 'winning' some wonderful memoribilia... lucky pennies - no heads/no tails... hearing Kakki's enthusiastic account of her meeting Joni... being honored to sign Brian's book... sumptuous Gouda and grapes... hearing about CatGirl's 9 felines... a million and one cameras for a million and one group photos... and then running by the video camera... enjoying Bob's emceeing... marveling at Marian's wonderful guitar work... and being brought to tears by Michael Paz's entire set, where he seemed to anticipate my next song request every time... So, then it was time to leave for the refuge of the roads, to tame my little tiger. After being part of this list for such a short time, I'm honored to have been part of this event. Thank you to everyone, especially Ashara. And my best to Wally B. for a day when complete health will be yours. Anne ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 14:11:55 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Jonifest Hi All! Where do I begin to write about this past weekend? Maybe first I should say I went to Jonifest not for the music, which was wonderful BTW, but for the opportunity to bring the relationships established through the JMDL to a face to face level. Hoping, in part, to feel more comfortable with how to relate with other listers in our interactions both in on-list discussions, but the private correspondences that come my way as well. I came away convinced that some of the on-list discussions that have had a tendency to become heated, if done face to face with the JMDLers that I met, would typically remain pleasant and insightful conversations despite opposing points of view. I was very encouraged by how warm, accepting, intelligent and sensitive in spirit are the list members I met. (Not to mention talented and fun, too! ;-) I only wish I could have had more time to visit with each person alone at length. Unfortunately, the conversations with many ended up being little more than introductions as we all had many people we wanted to meet and get to know better. Ashara, thank you for your courage, hospitality and the energy required to put together a gathering of this scope and size. Amazing! I could have NEVER pulled off an event that flowed so smoothly! Thank you for arranging for Jim to be our ride from here to there for many of us. And thank you for a famous "Ashara hug" and the kiss on the cheek that didn't go unnoticed at Atty Mae's. ;-) It was a great pleasure visiting with you, Paz. More than anyone else there, I felt like I had met you before and already knew you. Your fabulous talents and giving spirit are incredible. Parting to me was more a sense of "I'll be seeing ya again sometime soon, man" than realizing the mileage distance that separates most of us. And thanks for the Joni tales you told, especially the one of your first encounter with her. ;-D Catgirl, your incredible voice and guitar playing knocked my socks off! Why did I picture you as meek? Folks, this 'cat'girl can do it all, and very, very well, to boot! Quite the capable Cat! Kakki, well what can be said about Kakki that hasn't been said so many times before? An absolute doll! The classy party girl! Fun, extremely intelligent conversationalist, perceptive, sensitive, adventurous and talented all rolled into one free spirited package. Thanks for showing Gina and me how to get out to Ashara's after we had just spent 45 minutes trying to navigate the bizarre highway system around Danvers! ;-D "Oh look, there's our motel again!" (repeat about 20 times) If there was ever a time to have a mobile Candid Camera, it would have been to watch Gina and I try to get from one side of the highway to the other. LOL!! So thanks Kakki for rescuing us from further navigation after we met up with you. And thanks too for the martini introduction! Sorry I wussed out on it after two tiny sips! I think Julie Z Webb must have taken care of the rest of it for me. :-) Remember, Ashara was stressing for us not to waste! ;-D Oh, and one more thing about Kakki. She could be a carbon copy, in personality, of my favorite Aunt Karen who we lost in an accident 15 years ago, at the same age Kakki is now. That added to why I was drawn to Kakki immediately. Marian, what a sweetheart! Fabulous guitar player! Lovely, lovely person. I feel so honored to have had the chance to visit with you and hear you play. And thanks for promising me a guitar lesson next year....but honey, you don't know how seriously impaired I am when it comes to rhythm! I bet even you will enjoy some belly laughs as you encounter such a futile attempt to teach! ;-) Brother Bob, you funny guy, you! (and Catherine, he's very handsome!) You know since you and I both acknowledge that we have no musical talents, and we both look like ex-jocks, how about we let pride take over for a time and challenge Paz and Kakki to a game of two on two roundball at Ashara's driveway hoop. Even though Paz has got the height, I bet you could out 'quick' the laid back guy from New Orleans. Taking Kakki shouldn't be to tough considering she'll probably be in a dress and heels with a martini in one hand and skinny cigarette in the other. (I would suggest we challenge them to some Scriptural trivia challenge, but Kakki is pretty darn sharp in that area as well!) Les, what a great guy! And found out that along with Mark from Seattle and myself, we were all originally from Iowa. Thank you Les for bringing us all together through your website. Who would have thunk it could be so impacting to so many. And yes, Les, I'd love to continue our discussion we started at Ashara's, sometime down the road. John vanTiel was such a treat to be around. John, you were the greatest unexpected surprise for me. This is one amazing man! A gentle giant that I wish could just slip me into his shirt pocket so I could be in the company of such warmth, humor, intelligence and generosity at all times. I could never say enough accolades about this man. And wasn't the 'adventure' we shared in the cab ride back to our motels from Atty Mae's memorable? :-D (The woman we picked up during our ride back was quite colorful! ;-) Thanks so much for all you gave to me. I will never forget you. Mark from Seattle, (and Iowa), I wish we could have chatted so much more. Being that we're only about 2 1/2 hours away from each other, I suspect we'll be able to visit again in person before to long without a jet-lag factor. I know I'm leaving many wonderful people out of my report, but there just wasn't enough time to get all the conversations and impressions in that could have been. Sigh..... Maybe next time I'll use the time more efficiently. Penny ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 22:12:07 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: The SSSSSSSSSSNAKE room! The strange thing is, I used to live in Singapore and Aussie, where they have lots of snakes and deadly ones. in fact I think the most deadly ones are in Aussie. Anyway, I saw loads and even handled them. I used to play in the garden-which was the jungle and came across loads of them. i even took a snake to school. But I was a kid then. Quite why i now have this fear of them I don't know. but then i also used to trampoline and climb cliffs and tress and scoffolding. Now I can't even go up a step ladder. i have a terrible fear of heights. I once made a complete tit of myself in a shopping mall by getting into the lift and not realising till the doors closed that it was glass and went up the OUTSIDE. I just sat on the floor and crawled out the next stop. As a kid I was always in trouble and really adventurous and never afraid. now I am just a wimp. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 15:20:32 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Joni LP News- 2 From: "Tortorici, Frank" Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 16:33:14 -0400 I spoke to Joni's PR rep and management company. They both say the story is correct. The new LP, with standards (I think jazz/soul/pop, probably "Comes Love" and "Trouble Man") and a few re-recordings of Joni songs is slated for early 2000. No track listing yet. They'll let me know in late Oct. Warner Bros./Reprise is also releasing the tribute album, including the artists SonicNet (the magazine I write for) mentioned, around the same time. More Joni than we ever expected so soon! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 15:31:48 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: more on new Joni!! From: "Tortorici, Frank" Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 17:27:05 -0400 Joni Mitchell Keeps Busy S.L. Feldman & Associates - 9/4/1999 at 07:40:52 The Joni Mitchell Tribute Album is now finished and scheduled for release before the end of the year. Chaka Khan, Elvis Costello, Bjork, Etta James, Janet Jackson and others have recorded their favorite Joni songs for this long-overdue salute to one of the best songwriters of our generation. A complete track-listing should be available soon. Following her attendance in the audience at July 1st's "Joni's Jazz" concert in Central Park, Mitchell flew to the U.K. to record the orchestral tracks for her next album, tentatively entitled Both Sides Now. In addition to some of Joni's personal favorite standards, she's also re-recorded her own compositions "Both Sides Now" and "A Case Of You" for this new album. Last Monday (August 30), Joni began recording her vocal tracks in a studio in L.A., and if this process goes well, the new album may also be ready for release around the same time as the tribute album, but don't count on it- a date in February or March of 2000 seems more likely. Whenever this album of standards is released to the public, Joni has been invited to debut her album with a full orchestra at La Scala, the birthplace of opera, in Milan, Italy. If Joni accepts this invitation to perform, the show will be filmed for a TV special. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 18:00:31 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Joni Gathering at Ashara's Hi you guys! Since I arrived home on Sunday afternoon from Joni Fest, I've been deluged with kids, house and returning to work after three wonderful months off. What can I say that hasn't already been said? It was an incredible experience to meet the people whose posts I've been reading since early this year. As Wally K. said, it was like a very powerful hallucination at first and I felt overwhelmed in a really positive way. I must have stumbled and fallen a few times but then I found my way around and things sort of evened out. The familiar strains of Joni music brought me down to earth again, literally, as I laid on the cool grass while Michael Paz' wonderful VG8 sounds and great interpretations filled my head and my soul. Everyone's musical contributions were wonderful. Such talent in one place, among folks one "knows" already through the list, was so gratifying to me as to render me unable to truly explain well how I feel about the whole experience. And indeed it was one of the most positive and powerful experiences I've had in a long time. Penny, thanks for navigating! The highways in the western part of the state are much simpler and God knows I rarely get out of these hills and when I do I go straight to downtown Boston! You were certainty a good sport about the whole thing and thanks for you company. I'm so glad about my 11th hour decision to attend. Thank you all so much. It was so great to meet you all! Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 20:04:32 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: 100% Joni Content This has to be the most inspiring sentences in a while! Bravo! >>>>>>> B R A V O ! ! ! ! ! ! ! ! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> MG wrote: > One of the best things about Joni's songs is that a lot of the upbeat and a > lot of the pain themes work well with teenaged angst, but they are not > superficial and as the listener continues to mature and experience, the songs > seem to grow right along with you. - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 20:12:40 -0400 From: Sue Subject: JoniFest '99 Hello gang, Reading with delight all of the details of the New England bash. How great to see old and new faces (hi Julie!) enjoying the Joni vibe. Long live the list! Green with envy in Northern Michigan where the leaves are electric.... Sue Cameron (Suze) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 18:50:44 -0400 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Joni in Movies Heather's question about movie sound tracks got me thinking about how often Joni's music has been used in movies. Do we have a list of all the movies/tv episodes ever made which feature the work of Joni Mitchell? If not I'll start the list: Film: 1. A Walk On The Moon 2. Practical Magic "A Case Of You" Television: 1. thirtysomething "River" 2. Melrose Place "Sex Kills" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 19:34:48 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Joni in Movies A few off the top of my head... At 6:50 PM -0400 9/8/99, Julie Z. Webb wrote: >Film: >1. A Walk On The Moon >2. Practical Magic "A Case Of You" >Television: >1. thirtysomething "River" >2. Melrose Place "Sex Kills" >3. Chicago Hope "A Case of You" >4. Ally McBeal "Both Sides Now" NP-Banquet ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 19:07:06 -0400 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Re: Jonifest At 02:11 PM 9/8/99 -0700, Penny wrote: >And thanks too for the martini introduction! >Sorry I wussed out on it after two tiny sips! I think Julie Z Webb >must have taken care of the rest of it for me. :-) I know you jest here, but for the public record, I only had one martini. -Julie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 08 Sep 1999 21:04:39 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Joni in Movies/TV Julie started, Mark Domyancich continued, and Vince makes a feeble stab at: > A few off the top of my head... > > At 6:50 PM -0400 9/8/99, Julie Z. Webb wrote: > >Film: > >1. A Walk On The Moon > >2. Practical Magic "A Case Of You" 3. Grace of My Heart > > > >Television: > >1. thirtysomething "River" > >2. Melrose Place "Sex Kills" > >3. Chicago Hope "A Case of You" > >4. Ally McBeal "Both Sides Now" 5. Friends ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 8 Sep 1999 21:06:46 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni in Movies In a message dated 9/8/99 8:33:50 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jzw@visint.com writes: << Heather's question about movie sound tracks got me thinking about how often Joni's music has been used in movies. Do we have a list of all the movies/tv episodes ever made which feature the work of Joni Mitchell? If not I'll start the list: Film: 1. A Walk On The Moon 2. Practical Magic "A Case Of You" 3. Alice's Restaurant "Songs to Aging Children Come" covered by Buffy St. Marie (I think) Television: 1. thirtysomething "River" 2. Melrose Place "Sex Kills" 3. some soap opera on NBC that I slept through last week "Circle Game" ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #182 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?