From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #168 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Friday, August 27 1999 Volume 01 : Number 168 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Joni Mention In Surprising Places!! [Don Sloan ] Chris BOttl mentions Joni ["Julie Z. Webb" ] Joni in the studio ["Paul Castle" ] Re: CD Now - Artist of the Millenium Poll and No Joni! ["Jennifer L. Nodi] Re: Where I was when... [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Nina Simone (SJC) [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Nina Simone (SJC) ["Michael Yarbrough" ] Chris Botti and Joni in JAZZIZ [mann@chicagonet.net] Chris Botti and Joni in JAZZIZ [mann@chicagonet.net] Re: "Coyote" availability [Bounced Message ] musak joni [Heather Galli ] Re: Joni Mention In Surprising Places!! [Heather Galli ] Hejira trivia [Randy Remote ] Re: Hejira trivia [Don Rowe ] Re: Where I was when... [RMuRocks@aol.com] a renegade Joni fan says high [Bounced Message ] [Fwd: Re: Your Next Joni-Purchase] ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] [Fwd: Re: Your Next Joni-Purchase] ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] Night Ride Home Special Edition ? [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Winfried_H=FChn?= ] RE: mind, body & spirit, grandchild [Janene Otten ] Re: Night Ride Home Special Edition ? [Bounced Message ] Re: Night Ride Home Special Edition ? [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Winfried_H=FChn?= <] Papermoon [waytoblu@mindspring.com] Re: New Releases (SJC) - specifically Richard Thompson [Ginamu@aol.com] Aimee Mann and Robert Frost [Maggie McNally ] Where I was when... [Maggie McNally ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:00:34 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: Joni Mention In Surprising Places!! As some of you know, I work as a probation officer. This evening I had a couple of 16 year-old Crip gangsters in my office doing casework. While I was looking through their files, they were checking out some stuff on the walls which includes a pic of Joni. One of the guys says, "I know Joni Mitchell, she's cool." To which I responded, "What have you ever heard Joni Mitchell do?" He said, "Nothing, but I know about her." The other kid chimed in, "Me, too." I asked what they knew about her and in unison, almost as if it was planned, they both said, "Joni Mitchell doesn't lie!" Okay, maybe you had to be there, but to hear two otherwise often nasty kids acknowlege Joni like that - well, I laughed my arse off and, needless to say, they both got on my good side. Don ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:53:42 -0400 From: "Julie Z. Webb" Subject: Chris BOttl mentions Joni Borders is currently carrying a jazz magazine, (Sorry but the name escapes me,) with Chris Botti on the cover. He mentions briefly touring with Joni. -Julie Z. Webb, who is up at 4 AM with the family's new Jack Russell Terrier puppy, who is to die for....he is so cuuuuuuttttteeee. Gotta go, as his teeth are clenched at the hem of my nightgown. He's pulling me to come play. Gotta get him back in that crate asap... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:37:58 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Joni in the studio Don Sloan donbvs@lightspeed.net wrote > Vocalizing, *scatting*, picking riffs out on the guitar - >and she said these guys were always amazed at what >Joni came up with. I think probably very little improv > work is done on Joni's recordings - except maybe by > Joni herself :-> And thanks, Mark, via John, for the 'Rhythms' article. I really enjoyed this thread. For me, this has been the revelation of The Hissing Demos - I've always loved those vocal overdubs on her albums, but hearing them in the raw with little instrumentation other than guitar or piano, you realize how mind-blowingly inventive she is. What she calls the 'horn stack' vocal arrangements on this version of 'Edith & the Kingpin' are, well, what can I say? PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:53:26 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: Re: CD Now - Artist of the Millenium Poll and No Joni! Hello all, I just followed Kakki's direction and voted...you can't write in specifically who your "other" vote is for, but "other" is in third place! I hope that's because all of us are voting for Joni. - -Jenny CT Kakki wrote: > > Anyone checked out this new poll/contest from CDNow yet? They have the > temerity to not have listed Joni as a choice! There is, however, an "Other" > option and I suggest we flood their system with our write-in votes! Oh, and > by voting, you are automatically entered in a contest to win GAP jeans and > khakis for life. Here's the link: > > http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/redirect/leaf=gap/from=rex:x:cdn:9825t > > Khaki ;-) > > NP: Country Joe & The Fish - Rock & Soul Music ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:29:57 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Where I was when... Even though I've been a Joni fan since the Jurassic Age, Hejira did not bowl me over at first. It took time to grow on me. Of course, I am from the For the Roses camp :-> Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:50:50 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Nina Simone (SJC) Mark or Travis wrote: > > > I'm still not sure what I think about Nina Simone. Leslie Mixon sent > me a tape that had some selections from 'The Colpix Years' that I like > quite a lot. The arrangements are pretty jazzy and Nina's voice is > pretty smooth. So I bought a Verve disc called 'After Hours'. It's > mostly Nina accompanying herself on piano. There are some songs I > like. 'Images' is sung a cappella and is very powerful and striking. > But the vibrato she uses sometimes is so warbly that it's very hard to > get used to. She does connect emotionally, though, on a level that > very few singers manage to do.Can anyone give me a little perspective > on Nina Simone? I'm intrigued > but not sure I want to buy a lot more or her music. What follows is a very good bio of Nina. As I've told Leslie, I think To Be Young, Gifted, and Black is her best cd. It has 2 great covers of Who Knows Where the Time Goes and Black Is the Color. And the title song is quite rousing. Please remember the time in which Nina made her remark about Joni. It was a time of great radicalism and upheaval for African Americans, just following a period where white artists were making a lot of money off of Black musical backs. And it is still my opinion that anything Charlie Mingus does of his own work is better than any of Joni's interpretations of it. Eunice Kathleen Waymon was born on February 21, 1933 in Tryon, North Carolina, USA., the sixth of eight children, four boys and four girls. Early on in life she revealed a prodigious musical talent playing the piano and singing in the local church with her sisters in their mother's choir. At the age of six, in 1939, a benefactor paid for her first piano lessons. Eunice made so much progress that in 1943, when she was 10, she gave her first piano recital at the town library. There she not only experienced her first applause, but also had her first encounter with racism: during the recital her parents were removed from the first row to accommodate some whites. This episode was a traumatic experience for her and may be the origin of her commitment to the fight for freedom and civil rights. With the financial help of some local supporters, Eunice left North Carolina in 1950 to continue her musical education at the Juilliard School of Music in New York, the same school that Miles Davis attended. After New York her family moved to Philadelphia. She tested for a scholarship at the prestigious Curtis Institute in Philadelphia but was rejected, ostensibly for musical reasons, but probably for her color. Feeling discouraged, in order to support herself and pay for further lessons she became an accompanist for a singing teacher. Later, in 1954, she took a job as a singer-pianist in the Midtown Bar and Grill in Atlantic City, adopting the stage name of Nina Simone. Nina (niņa means "girl" in Spanish) from a pet name that a boyfriend gave her, and Simone (from the French actress Simone Signoret) for its dignified sound. It was at Midtown Bar, where Nina Simone sang, played and improvised, that her career took off. Subsequently she played in several Philadelphia clubs. Recognized as a talented pianist, she was given a recording session with Bethlehem Records in 1957; in this session she records 14 tracks. Simone's first album Jazz as played in an Exclusive Side Street Club (11 tracks), published in 1958 and by then also know as Little Girl Blue, was a great success, first in Philadelphia and New York and then in the whole US. The single released from that recording (featuring "I Loves You Porgy" and "He Needs Me") became a national rhythm & blues (placing 13th) hit in the summer of 1959, selling over a million copies. (Thirty years later, in 1987, "My Baby Just Cares for Me" another selection from the same album, was adopted as the theme for a British television advert for Chanel No 5 perfume, and reached the 5th place on the English pop charts.) Bethlehem make use of the remaining three tracks recorded by Nina for the collective album And Her Friends, published when Nina have already signed with Colpix. Thanks to the success of her first recordings, in 1959 Simone signed with Colpix (Columbia Pictures Records) a collaboration that lasted until 1964. Nina recorded 10 albums while signed to Colpix: six studio and four "live" albums. She recorded some songs of Columbia film soundtracks (including "Wild Is The Wind", "Sayonara", "Samson and Delilah") as well as a new version of the Bethlehem hit "I Loves You Porgy". In 1961 she recorded the traditional song "The House of the Rising Sun". The same song was recorded by Bob Dylan in his debut album, issued in March 1962 and subsequently by the Animals in 1963. In the summer of 1964, "The House of the Rising Sun" by the Animals was at the top of the American and English charts, on the eve of the band's US tour (part of the "British invasion"). In 1961 Nina marries Andy Stroud, a New York detective and in 1962 their daughter Lisa Celeste Stroud is born. In 1964, Nina Simone began her association with Philips, a Mercury subsidiary. This collaboration lasted for three years during which Nina recorded seven albums. One of the first songs recorded during the Philips period is "Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood", from then associated with her name. The songs is covered by the Animals in 1965, the same year where Nina publish "I Put a Spell on You", a 1956's song by Screamin' Jay Hawkins. Also this song is immediately covered (August 1965) by the Alan Price Set, the group founded by organist Alan Price after his departures from Animals. During her association with Philips, Nina take the way to the protest song also (after the jazz and black periods) and wrote "Mississippi Goddam!". This is her first song of protest, written after the murders of Medgar Evers in Mississippi (June 1963) and four black schoolchildren in Alabama (September 1963). In 1966 Nina switches to RCA (she will stay until 1974: to date her last long-term affiliation with an American label) a deal negotiated by her husband who acts as her manager and to whom some compositions are credited. From the summer of 1968 through the end of 1969, "all of her recordings were produced by her husband-manager, although we can assume that it was really Nina who was making the final selections of repertoire and essentially masterminding the sessions" according David Nathan. While at RCA Nina records nine albums and some of her most popular songs. Her version of "Ain't Got No/I Got Life", a medley from the 60s musical Hair, gets N. 2 in UK and her soul version of "To Love Somebody" by the Bee Gees get in the Spring of 1969 in the Top 10 British hit. "To Be Young, Gifted And Black", inspired by a play of the same name by Lorraine Hansberry, a friend of Nina, is recorded by Aretha Franklin in 1972. Embittered by racism, Nina renounced her homeland in 1969 and became a wanderer, roaming the world. She lived in Liberia, in Barbados, Switzerland, France, Trinidad, the Netherlands, Belgium and UK at various times. In 1970 she and Stroud split up, and Nina attempt to manage herself and work with her brother Sam Waymon. In 1974 she leaves RCA. In 1978 Nina was arrested, and soon released, for withholding taxes in 1971-73 in protest at her government's undeclared war in Vietnam. The same year she make the LP Baltimore for the CTI label and in 1982 the LP Fodder on my Wings for a Swiss label. In 1985 she records Nina's back and Live and Kickin in US. In 1987 her previously-mentioned European success with "My Baby Just Cares For Me" brought Nina back into the public eye: her music was featured in 1992 movie Point Of No Return, with the lead character using Nina as inspiration. The same year she records Let It Be Me at The Vine Street Bar & Grill in Hollywood for Verve Records. She moved to the southern French town of Bouc-Bel- Air near Aix-en-Provence in 1993. A protest singer; a jazz singer; a pianist; an arranger and a composer, Nina Simone is a great artist who defies easy classification. She is all of these: a jazz-rock-pop-folk-black musician. In fact, we can find her biography in jazz, rock, pop, black and soul literature. Her style and her hits provided many singers and groups with material for hits of their own. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 07:46:50 PDT From: "Michael Yarbrough" Subject: Re: Nina Simone (SJC) Jerry wrote: <<>> The "remark" was about Dusty, not Joni, and if I remember correctly it involved punching her for "singing Black." Your historical context is appreciated, though, Jerry--white exploitation of black music was (or should I say, is) a very big problem. Nonetheless, I think Dusty was very respectful of the rich tradition on which she drew. I own Nina's _Blues_ CD and it's just wonderful. Includes her versions of "I Shall Be Released" and "Wild is the Wind" (though I slightly prefer Bowie's) and a phenomenal Langston Hughes piece set to her music entitled "Backlash Blues." - --Michael NP: Me'Shell NdegeOcello, _Bitter_, just possibly the album of the year _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:48:38 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Chris Botti and Joni in JAZZIZ Hi All! The September issue of JAZZIZ magazine has a cover shot of Chris Botti with a 7-page interview inside complete with picutres. Chris was the horn player for Joni's concert here in Chicago. There were a couple of references to Joni in the article. Here's some excerpts: "This fall he'll tour with Sting, and last year, he played in a group backing up another favorite pop musician, Joni Mitchell. Natalie Merchant also hired him. It seems that singers have appreciated his warm, soothing sound and easy way with a phrase" "Jazz media and other outside observers might perceive Botti's solo career so far as another case of a jazzer "gone Hollywood". On 'Slowing Down the World', he uses players from the Los Angeles studio and jazz scenes, including Jeff Lorber, Peter Erskine, bassist-producer Larry Klein (with whom he had worked in Mitchell's band), members of Fourplay, including Bob James, and others." "With his current work, Botti is trafficking in a musical zone where the stylistic equation lens more toward the values of pop than jazz, and the jazz critical consensus isn't likely to be amuzed, or even tolerant. The same skepticism greeted jazz-tinged efforts by Joni Mitchell, reaching a fever pitch with 'Mingus', and also by Sting, whose first post-Police band featured then-rising jazzers like Kenny Kirklad and Branford Marsalis, and was met with critical volleys." "When I play with Joni or Sting or Paul Simon or Natalie Merchant, it's me being myself, and that's why they've developed a relationship with me, and that's what I'm able to do. It's flatering and it's fun and it opens your mind up to ways of writing songs and expressing yourself. Then, when I go to make my own record, it does have an impact." "I got a lot from my relationship with Joni. Even if I never work with her again, I learned a lot from working with her and also her ex-husband, Larry Klein, who produced some stuff on my record. Working with Joni also brought me back to the Harmon mute, which I hadn't used in years. I'd shied away from it because a lot of people put the Hamon mute in to cover up their not-real-sensual sound. And there's a lot more Harmon mute on 'Slowing Down the World, than on my other records, for that reason. " "I remember Joni does the song with the line "There's comfort in melancholy," he says, "When I was with her onstage, I was looking at her, in front of $10,000 people when she sang that line and I thought, "you're exactly right". When Peter Gabriel sings, "Don't Give Up" or when Paul sings, "the Boxer" it's reflective and melancholoy. It's kind of dark, but beautiful at the same time." Hey, Wally........how about an interview with Chris Botti??????? He has lots to say about Joni! For those of you who can't attend JoniFest but want to call in get yourself a free phonecard at: http://www.women-connect-asia.com/index.htm click at the top of the page If you're missing out on Michael's shrimp a can of soup will have to do: http://www.campbellsselect.com/about_you.html $8 off $15 purchase. Free Shipping! Expires 8/31 http://www.1bargainworld.com/ Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:49:06 -0500 From: mann@chicagonet.net Subject: Chris Botti and Joni in JAZZIZ Hi All! The September issue of JAZZIZ magazine has a cover shot of Chris Botti with a 7-page interview inside complete with picutres. Chris was the horn player for Joni's concert here in Chicago. There were a couple of references to Joni in the article. Here's some excerpts: "This fall he'll tour with Sting, and last year, he played in a group backing up another favorite pop musician, Joni Mitchell. Natalie Merchant also hired him. It seems that singers have appreciated his warm, soothing sound and easy way with a phrase" "Jazz media and other outside observers might perceive Botti's solo career so far as another case of a jazzer "gone Hollywood". On 'Slowing Down the World', he uses players from the Los Angeles studio and jazz scenes, including Jeff Lorber, Peter Erskine, bassist-producer Larry Klein (with whom he had worked in Mitchell's band), members of Fourplay, including Bob James, and others." "With his current work, Botti is trafficking in a musical zone where the stylistic equation lens more toward the values of pop than jazz, and the jazz critical consensus isn't likely to be amuzed, or even tolerant. The same skepticism greeted jazz-tinged efforts by Joni Mitchell, reaching a fever pitch with 'Mingus', and also by Sting, whose first post-Police band featured then-rising jazzers like Kenny Kirklad and Branford Marsalis, and was met with critical volleys." "When I play with Joni or Sting or Paul Simon or Natalie Merchant, it's me being myself, and that's why they've developed a relationship with me, and that's what I'm able to do. It's flatering and it's fun and it opens your mind up to ways of writing songs and expressing yourself. Then, when I go to make my own record, it does have an impact." "I got a lot from my relationship with Joni. Even if I never work with her again, I learned a lot from working with her and also her ex-husband, Larry Klein, who produced some stuff on my record. Working with Joni also brought me back to the Harmon mute, which I hadn't used in years. I'd shied away from it because a lot of people put the Hamon mute in to cover up their not-real-sensual sound. And there's a lot more Harmon mute on 'Slowing Down the World, than on my other records, for that reason. " "I remember Joni does the song with the line "There's comfort in melancholy," he says, "When I was with her onstage, I was looking at her, in front of $10,000 people when she sang that line and I thought, "you're exactly right". When Peter Gabriel sings, "Don't Give Up" or when Paul sings, "the Boxer" it's reflective and melancholoy. It's kind of dark, but beautiful at the same time." Hey, Wally........how about an interview with Chris Botti??????? He has lots to say about Joni! For those of you who can't attend JoniFest but want to call in get yourself a free phonecard at: http://www.women-connect-asia.com/index.htm click at the top of the page If you're missing out on Michael's shrimp a can of soup will have to do: http://www.campbellsselect.com/about_you.html $8 off $15 purchase. Free Shipping! Expires 8/31 800.com http://www.1bargainworld.com/ Laura ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:35:42 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: "Coyote" availability From: "Chris Marshall" Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:12:31 BST Jim L'Hommedieu wrote:- >"Coyote" is on the soundtrack "The Last Waltz", 'Hejira', the "Shadows >And Light" concert video, and on the "Shadows And Light" album. These 3 >versions are remarkably similar to each other. If I was being pedantic, I'd point out that Jaco uses many more harmonics on S&L than on the album, and that the cadence of the whole song feels different - more upbeat - on S&L. Not sure which I prefer... depends on my mood. I think I still lean towards the Hejira version. But I'm not a pedant, so I wouldn't have pointed any of that out. Honest :-) Cheers, - --Chris Chris Marshall Secure Systems Integration Ltd Tel: +44 (0) 7970 459 553 Fax: +44 (0) 1954 201 741 Roving e-mail: ssi_ltd@hotmail.com Usual e-mail: chris@secure-si.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:13:59 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: musak joni I was watching a program on HGTV last night. In the background they were playing some 'musak' version of Marcie. Well ...... at least it was Joni's music :-) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:44:51 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: Joni Mention In Surprising Places!! <> >One of the guys says, "I know Joni Mitchell, she's cool." To which I >responded, "What have you ever heard Joni Mitchell do?" He said, >"Nothing, but I know about her." The other kid chimed in, "Me, too." I >asked what they knew about her and in unison, almost as if it was >planned, they both said, "Joni Mitchell doesn't lie!" > >Okay, maybe you had to be there, but to hear two otherwise often nasty >kids acknowlege Joni like that - well, I laughed my arse off and, >needless to say, they both got on my good side. Hey Don, looks like you could get some converts to Joni here ;-) Make them purchase all Joni's CD's as punishment for any wrong doing ;-) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:40:24 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Hejira trivia Someone may have already mentioned this; in the film "Out of Sight" (G. Clooney, J. Lopez) there is a character named Hejira. He says his name derives from Mohammed's exodus. (It's an okay movie, though pretty forgettable) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:31:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Hejira trivia - --- Randy Remote wrote: > Someone may have already mentioned this; in the film > "Out of Sight" (G. Clooney, J. Lopez) there is a > character > named Hejira. He says his name derives from > Mohammed's > exodus. > (It's an okay movie, though pretty forgettable) > > Perhaps the movie would have been better, and much more memorable if the writer had the foresight to explain that the character of Hejira got his name from his mother, Don Juan's Reckless Daughter ... I, at least, would have remembered it better that way. ;-) Don Rowe __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:15:59 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Where I was when... In a message dated 8/27/99 9:11:49 AM US Central Standard Time, notaro@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu writes: << Even though I've been a Joni fan since the Jurassic Age, >> Was that before or after the Just Ice Age? :~) Bob NP: Zachary Richard, "J'peux pas m'empecher" (Thanks to my JMDL buddy from the bayou country, Mr. Paz) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:33:25 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: a renegade Joni fan says high Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:11:58 -0500 From: Scott and Jody Guess who! O.K., times up. It's Bard, 4444, Bradical, Brad. I'm at Jody and Scott's house in Chicago. Here to see the Tom Waits concert tonight. We weren,t able to get tix for the Minneapolis show but we were able to get tix for Chicago. Imagine that! Jody was a little more dilligent than we were. Are youse guys still at each others throats or have you learned to get along? ;-) I wish I was gonna be at Ashara's house. I'd give you all a big hug! Anyway, drinks for all my friends!! (Micky Rourke-'Barfly') And a special hello to my special Joni friends, you know how you are! Brad ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:45:07 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: [Fwd: Re: Your Next Joni-Purchase] Message-ID: <37C556EB.3351@snet.net> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:02:03 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Reply-To: jlhall01@snet.net Organization: The Mortgage Finance Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SNET (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Your Next Joni-Purchase References: <2a3a1f84.24f60195@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, Kim, I can agree with your fear of letting go of your old favorites to let more in. It's kinda like a fear I have of having any more babies. I have one now, and of course she's my favorite, and I sometimes feel ready, but I'm scared. Scared that there won't be enough time to enjoy them all equally, or enough time to enjoy her as much. Also scared that I won't love them as much as I love her, or that I might love them more. My favorite Joni songs are like kids, I can't imagine what my life was like before I had them. They've grown in depth and meaning to me over the years. But, strangely, the more favorites you add to your repoirtoire, the more your life is enhanced... as a mother of three I'm sure you are happy you didn't stop at one or two! Keep experiencing new Joni, and soon your choice of music while your doing your housework won't be between artists, it will be which Joni CD you want to hear that day. One more thing, I still have alot to experience myself (we're not all Joni EXPERTS, though we like to think so!!) I was stuck where you are not too long ago and have finally started buying new Joni stuff (new to me) and I'm sorry I didn't sooner! Beleive me, you've been depriving yourself-ESPECIALLY IF YOU DON'T HAVE HEJIRA!!!!Go get it now, I promise you will not be disappointed. Sincerely, Jenny CT RMuRocks@aol.com wrote: > > Kim intros and says: > > << I guess I can trust this group. Can I get some suggestions as to what my > 1st > album > (post Court and Spark, I guess-not exactly sure of the chronology) should be > since I'm feeling ready to take the plunge. > Also what album is Coyote on? I heard her sing this in The Last Waltz and it > was awesome >> > > Well, Kim, no one is going to roll their eyes at you here...belated welcome! > > And as for your question - you answered it yourself..."Coyote" is on Hejira, > which is the greatest record of all time by anyone ever and should be your > next purchase! > > Bob, who'll turn 29 again in a month or so... > > NP: Sugarloaf, "I Don't Need You Baby" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:45:40 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: [Fwd: Coyote] Message-ID: <37C55D7B.39D2@snet.net> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:30:03 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Reply-To: jlhall01@snet.net Organization: The Mortgage Finance Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SNET (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Coyote Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, does anyone remember me mentioning "Steve Hax", my Coyote? I think it was a thread about Amelia and the false alarm. I remember wondering if I would be 80 years old and still crying over him. Anyway, I was visited by him in a dream again last night. In my dream, he breaks into my house and will not leave until I agree to leave my husband and run off with him because he has finally discovered that I was THE GIRL for him and that he can't live without me anymore. As guilty as I felt when I woke up, I found myself wishing I could go back to sleep and keep that dream going. Dreams...and false alarms. - -Jenny CT ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:46:09 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: [Fwd: Re: Your Next Joni-Purchase] Message-ID: <37C556EB.3351@snet.net> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:02:03 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Reply-To: jlhall01@snet.net Organization: The Mortgage Finance Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SNET (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Your Next Joni-Purchase References: <2a3a1f84.24f60195@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Oh, Kim, I can agree with your fear of letting go of your old favorites to let more in. It's kinda like a fear I have of having any more babies. I have one now, and of course she's my favorite, and I sometimes feel ready, but I'm scared. Scared that there won't be enough time to enjoy them all equally, or enough time to enjoy her as much. Also scared that I won't love them as much as I love her, or that I might love them more. My favorite Joni songs are like kids, I can't imagine what my life was like before I had them. They've grown in depth and meaning to me over the years. But, strangely, the more favorites you add to your repoirtoire, the more your life is enhanced... as a mother of three I'm sure you are happy you didn't stop at one or two! Keep experiencing new Joni, and soon your choice of music while your doing your housework won't be between artists, it will be which Joni CD you want to hear that day. One more thing, I still have alot to experience myself (we're not all Joni EXPERTS, though we like to think so!!) I was stuck where you are not too long ago and have finally started buying new Joni stuff (new to me) and I'm sorry I didn't sooner! Beleive me, you've been depriving yourself-ESPECIALLY IF YOU DON'T HAVE HEJIRA!!!!Go get it now, I promise you will not be disappointed. Sincerely, Jenny CT RMuRocks@aol.com wrote: > > Kim intros and says: > > << I guess I can trust this group. Can I get some suggestions as to what my > 1st > album > (post Court and Spark, I guess-not exactly sure of the chronology) should be > since I'm feeling ready to take the plunge. > Also what album is Coyote on? I heard her sing this in The Last Waltz and it > was awesome >> > > Well, Kim, no one is going to roll their eyes at you here...belated welcome! > > And as for your question - you answered it yourself..."Coyote" is on Hejira, > which is the greatest record of all time by anyone ever and should be your > next purchase! > > Bob, who'll turn 29 again in a month or so... > > NP: Sugarloaf, "I Don't Need You Baby" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:49:00 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: Re: Question about S&L Kate Tarasenko asked: < Are there two different videos for "Shadows and Light," one being a concert video, and another a "conceptual"/music-type video? Or is it one and the same?> My (very recent) copy of the video is all live music and nearly all live footage.With exceptions. The intro audio is a collage of the live band, the soundtrack from 'Rebel Without A Cause' and 'Juvenile Delinquent' and the picture is of the last two. Coyote cuts back and forth between live footage and 'conceptual'. As does Amelia and Dry Cleaner From Des Moines. Hejira is a conceptual video showing Joni and another skater/dancer on and ice rink. I have a similar question though. Is there another version of the video? It has a different running order than my HDCD version (which is the same as the original vinyl release). My video differs from the album in that it has lost Don's Solo, God Must Be A Boogie Man, Woodstock and I think something else that I can't remember off-hand. It has gained Jaco's solo (fabulous) and Raised On Robbery (very ropey). Any other versions out there? All the best, Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:49:03 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Winfried_H=FChn?= Subject: Night Ride Home Special Edition ? Dear listers, I just visited the Joni-stocks of a German online CD shop. This is the name of one CD: " Night Ride Home Limited Edition Portfolio-Style Digi Pack" Anybody out there who can tell me what on earth this one is about? Winfried, who BTW ordered David Lahm's Jazz Takes On Joni Mitchell -- finally available here in Germany! NP: Van Morrison -- a night in san francisco ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:35:03 PDT From: "Michael Yarbrough" Subject: (JC) Me'shell NdegeOcello's _Bitter_ I really think a lot of would like the newest record by my favorite artist, Me'Shell NdegeOcello. I decided to write a little review of it which I share with you below: Me'Shell NdegeOcello is either brave or stupid. When she burst on the scene with 1992's _Plantation Lullabies_, she was fierce and funky. She had fucked your boyfriend and written a song about it in the afterglow. Her sing-song rap-speak sat atop one of the phattest bass guitars ever recorded, a bass so unflinching and distinctive it became as much a part of her mythos as her bald head and bisexuality. On _Peace Beyond Passion_ she traded the Curtis Mayfield references for Marvin Gaye ones and moved from the projects into church, but those bouncy bass lines didn't relax one bit. The album was lusher, sure, more soul than hip-hop, but it still was funky. It seemed clear that these '90s reworkings of '70s motifs would become Me'Shell's territory (and no one else's), and that she would spend many fertile years exploring their grooves and crannies. But instead she got _Bitter_. The guitars on _Bitter_ are steel, not bass. Notes are slurred, not scooped. Sounds are amplified by echo, not electricity. "There's comfort in melancholy," Joni Mitchell once sang, and _Bitter_ often brings to mind that idea (as well as much of Mitchell's other '70s work). Produced by Craig Street of Cassandra Wilson fame, Bitter_ sets NdegeOcello's mournful melodies amidst acoustic guitar strums and cautious piano lines. The opening instrumental track (an NdegeOcello tradition) immediately sets the tone. On her first two records NdegeOcello started with moody, laid-back tracks, and _Bitter_ is no different. But the melancholy of a synthesizer is different from the melancholy of a cello, and this, we will soon discover, is a cello kind of record. It's also, in the laid-back NPR sense of the word, a rock record. The rhythms of NdegeOcello's instruments and voice do not roll like the soul of her previous work. The beats are straighter (though by no means "whiter") and fit more comfortably alongside the work of a Tracy Chapman or k.d. lang than a Chaka Khan or a Dusty Springfield. Most emblematic of this shift is the "duet" with rootsish singer-songwriter Joe Henry on "Wasted Time," a brilliant sublimation of the most slightly hip-hop beat under those guitars and two disconnected vocals by the collaborators. The first duet I've heard in which the vocalists are not singing to, or even *with*, each other, it sounds as if they simply recorded their lines in separate studios, with neither cooperation nor self-conscious dissonance. The effect is a startling, disorienting and eery magnification of the lyric's, well, bitter confrontation with the mistakes of lover and self. The shift on this record is not just sonic, it is lyrical as well. _Bitter_ lyrically often recalls the transition of Mitchell's masterpiece _Blue_, wherein she started to jettison the curlicue lyrics of her early, folkier albums for lyrics more plain-spoken but full of depth. NdegeOcello has similarly started to move away from the more pungent, imagistic prose of her early songs for direct and declarative examination. Nobody on _Bitter_ "shoots up Africa" in their veins like they did on _Plantation_ or morphs into "gigantic black butterflies" as on _Passion_. Instead they just ask, "You made a fool of me / Tell me why" and confess "I've never really been faithful / Except to God." NdegeOcello does not quite reach the complexity of Mitchell's best work here, but she does brush near their immediacy. This record is raw in a way her earlier work never could be, masterful though it was, because it strips every unnecessary thing in a tireless search for its core. Already one of the best bassists in recorded history, NdegeOcello could have chosen to rest on the laurels of funk for years to come, and continued producing accomplished and increasingly predictable records. But as Mitchell did when she added bass (in the form of Jaco Pastorius) on _Hejira_, NdegeOcello moves forward, unflinching, by removing it. One brave woman, that Me'Shell. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:56:36 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: mind, body & spirit, grandchild Janene wrote: please forgive this big, dumb irishman, still more than a week behind most of you, if I have missed it but I don't think I've seen a word about Joni's new grandchild since the acknowledgment of the birth (speaking of precious moments) just after Joni's Jazz Fest. did I miss it? do we know any more? what gives? pat NP: For Free http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:00:45 -0400 From: Janene Otten Subject: RE: mind, body & spirit, grandchild Pat, As far as I know, she is Daisy Joan and we don't know too much more than that. Maybe someone can elaborate? Janene Janene wrote: please forgive this big, dumb irishman, still more than a week behind most of you, if I have missed it but I don't think I've seen a word about Joni's new grandchild since the acknowledgment of the birth (speaking of precious moments) just after Joni's Jazz Fest. did I miss it? do we know any more? what gives? pat NP: For Free http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:27:14 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Night Ride Home Special Edition ? From: "Kakki" Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:49:08 -0700 Winfried wrote: >I just visited the Joni-stocks of a German online CD shop. This is the name > of one CD: " Night Ride Home Limited Edition Portfolio-Style Digi Pack" > Anybody out there who can tell me what on earth this one is about? Winfried - this is a wonderful special edition which I picked up on eBay awhile back. The CD comes in a miniature black artist portfolio and includes little lithos on high quality paper stock of the photo art from the album. This certainly could have been another contender for a "Best album packaging" Grammy like TI was. (If only she had added a miniature paintbursh, she might have won ;-) It usually sells for around $20-25 on eBay. Kakki NP: Fleiming & John - The Way We Are ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:54:10 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Winfried_H=FChn?= Subject: Re: Night Ride Home Special Edition ? Kakki writes: > Winfried - this is a wonderful special edition which I picked up on eBay > awhile back. The CD comes in a miniature black artist portfolio and > includes little lithos on high quality paper stock of the photo art from the > album. Kakki and Les, thanks for so quickly responding and enlightening me! The CD costs DEM 38.50 here, that's $ 21 or so. If used ones run between $ 20 and 25 at eBay, it seems to be a pretty good deal. ( especially considering German CD prices usually are 15%-20% higher than their US counterparts). Now, thanks to Kakki, I have another problem -- do I order it or not??? Winfried, not expecting any help on this one, reminding himself it's another 2 months until the first paycheck arrives... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:10:37 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: Papermoon Are any listers in Germany familiar with a German music magazine called Paper Moon? Victor NP: Belle and Sebastian-If You're Feeling Sinister ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:14:54 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: New Releases (SJC) - specifically Richard Thompson Azeem in groovy London wrote about Richard Thompson's new release: <> Do you mean songs like Psycho Street (Rumour and Sigh)? I actually kinda like those. In spirit they remind me of Joni's lovable clunkers like Lead Balloon and Dancing Clown. Both RT and JM are very serious songwriters with some heady and heavy material for us to digest. I think songs like these sort of lighten the load and serve as a sort of showcase for their sense of humor. Lucky us, IMO! I wanted to thank Don Rowe for his excellently written review of Mock Tudor. It was as good if not better than many mini reviews we come across here and there in publications, etc. Great job, Don! Take care, Gina NP: Sam Phillips - Where Are You Taking Me, from Omnipop ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:20:01 -0400 From: Maggie McNally Subject: Aimee Mann and Robert Frost Hello all, I have been on and off-list for the last year (since starting a job that takes all my time...good thing I love the work!), but have been kept somewhat updated by Ashara. Even when on list, I find it tough to be timely in reading the digests, so usually do not reply or remark because you JMDLrs have moved on to a zillion other subjects by the time I am ready to say..."ummm, I was just thinkin..." But Ashara and I just had a great meeting this morning about next weekend's 'Fest, and seeing as how I took the day off to go to the Cape but cancelled the Cape trip when John Kelly/Paved Paradise was cancelled, what better way to spend this drizzly and humid day then catching up on a zillion digests? WallyK, you wrote two posts that I connected by virtue of your impending trip to New England. >Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 03:21:20 -0300 >From: "Wally Kairuz" >Subject: RE: top 10 favorite non joni artists njc > >10 non-opera favorites in any order >.... >aimee mann > and >date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 09:19:16 -0300 >From: "Wally Kairuz" >Subject: RE: poets (NJC) > >i've been re-reading robert frost a lot this week [we've been having a very >cold winter, and whenever i see the first flakes flurrying i think of robert >frost -- not because of his last name but because of the hyperfamous "whose >woods these are i think i know...] i have the impression that a lot of >people in the us don't seem to like r. frost very much. is it for any >political reason? > Do you know that Aimee Mann was big in Boston during the 80s, before she took off for L.A.? I recall going to Newbury Comics, the "alternative rock" store in Boston during that time where you had to go to get the really hard-to-get like Fear, X, Sex Pistols, FisherZ, Cure, Haircut 100 (giggle), and she was the cashier. Ah yes, we here in Boston knew her "when"....like when she was in the Young Snakes, and when she won the battle of the bands with 'Til Tuesday. I always liked her and look forward to meeting another fan. Also, surely you know that Robert Frost is one of ours (i.e., from New England)? As for your question about any political reasons for his lack of attention, to my knowledge he just isn't fashionable. He was the poet at President Kennedy's inauguration, if that suggests any political leanings or connection. I, for one, love that poem, especially in winter. Looking forward to meeting you here in summer-y (not snowy) New England. Best, Maggie Maggie McNally ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:32:10 -0400 From: Maggie McNally Subject: Where I was when... Valerie, (and those of you who have already responded to this thread starter...) I loved reading your comments on particular memories and how they are stored in the vinyl of a particular album, to be released upon hearing...what really struck me was your line about NOT having any with Hejira. That is one that is particularly evocative for me, because it came at a time in my life where the relationship thing was not working. It actually can be credited with helping me find my way out of a tired old relationship. Even today, despite being in a wonderful relationship (and approaching wedding anniversary number nine), I can still feel the mental and physical aches that are woven into my listening to that album. Imagine my confusion when I was both delighted and pained to hear her perform her Hejira trilogy in Santa Cruz and at MSG last year! Thank you for sharing. Best, Maggie >Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:02:00 -0400 >From: Valerie Richardson >Subject: Where I was when... > >I haven't shared a lot since I joined this list a couple of months ago, >but I love being around such like-minded people. And I've been listening >to Joni's music a lot more recently and trying to build up my CD >collection with some of the older albums that I used to have in vinyl. >One of the things that has really struck me is the intense memories I >have with some of the albums. Every time I hear them, I have almost >flashback-like sensations of hearing the same music at another time in >my life. I can remember where I was, what the weather was at the time, >what my mood was like, who I was talking to. These memories aren't >necessarily associated with the first time I heard the music, but most >of them occurred 20-25 years ago... >It's interesting that I don't have any specific associations with my >favorite album, Hejira > ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #168 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?