From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #165 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, August 25 1999 Volume 01 : Number 165 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Meeting with Ashara in Sydney ["P. Henry" ] Re: Opening tracks [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: for jmdl guitarists (HOSL) [Howard Wright ] Re: Opening tracks [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] M*A*S*H and Sex Kills? [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Mee.ting with Ashara in Syd.ney [Bounced Message ] Gratitude for the Joni Welcoming crew! [Bounced Message ] Essra and Joni and Woodstock [Steve Dulson ] Re: for jmdl guitarists (HOSL) [Phyliss Ward ] Early Years [Bounced Message ] Re: The bowels of majordomo [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] RE: The bowels of majordomo [Louis Lynch ] "Tin Angel", and Virgos [Mary Pitassi ] Re: The bowels of majordomo [Jason Maloney ] Comfort in melancholy [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] Comfort in melancholy -Reply [LOREN CARTER ] RE: The bowels of majordomo [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] MAINLY MARQUETTE - BROWSING MUSIC BY LOCAL ARTISTS [Bounced Message ] Joni in the studio was Re: for jmdl guitarists (HOSL) [Don Sloan ] 8/15 LA Times JM Mention [Lindsay Moon ] Re: Troubling '60s Non-Flashbacks (VLJC) ["P. Henry" Subject: Re: Meeting with Ashara in Sydney colin wrote: "I think I can safely conclude that John really enjoyed his meeting with Ashara. I got his message saying so 114 times!!!!!!!!" LoL! it's times like this I'm SO glad I get the digest! pat NP: I Had A King Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:00:04 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Opening tracks I love the song Tin Angel. There is always that day when you meet the one you fall in love with. It always seems like a nothing day until that moment and then it becomes an unforgettable day in your life forever. The words she wrote may be among her very best poetry of all her songs and I also think that the chord structure is one of those early examples of how Joni was capable of going beyond the conventional. Its an underrated song in my opinion but those first four notes followed by the interesting chord and finger picking with its odd timing always gets my attention. I also flashed on the song when I was in New York and walking the streets of Greenwich Village. The narrow funky streets with club after club, the stores and the nooks and crannies of the area and I literally thought of how Joni was there one day long ago and this is where she must have met someone one day right there in one of those clubs. I couldnt find a place called the Tin Angel but I did find the Bitter End which was one of the old great places in the village. Thanks for bringing up this song. This album didnt do well in the poll some time ago but I love it. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:18:25 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: Re: for jmdl guitarists (HOSL) Marian wrote: >Just a note to let guitarists know I've added tabs for HOSL and Lakota to >my guitar page. >I'm not really sure about the tuning for HOSL. It's really hard to hear >Joni's guitar for this one and the guitar chords I do hear in the >recording sound higher than the chords produced in this tuning. Maybe someone can confirm this, but I think the acoustic guitar on HOSL is played by James Taylor. I tried working this out a year or two ago, and I got something that seemed to work in standard tuning with a capo at about the 5th or 7th fret. They are quite tricky chords to work out, and the guitar gets a little buried in the mix at times which doesn't help! Also, I think the music for HOSL was written by John Guerin, and Joni just did the words and melody, so there may not have been a "Joni guitar part" in the usual sense. I'll be interested to try your chords though Marian to see how the song could be played in a more Joni-esque style! Howard ******************************************************* Howard.Wright@ed.ac.uk Every country has smart people in it. The trouble is : none of these smart people ever go into politics. - Frank Zappa ******************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:31:33 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Opening tracks Paul said: <> Well Paul, we all know by now that you get many more songs and movies broadcast in your world than we do in ours ( ;~) ), so Tin Angel by Tom Rush may have gotten some airplay but I certainly don't remember it. <> And I agree whole-heartedly with this; I suggested that "Midway" or "Gallery" be the opener and I stand by that; I think Terry said it better... <> And while I LIKE TA, it doesn't draw me in lyrically the way the others do. Of course, my tastes are simply that, marcel thinks it works as an opener and it's always interesting to hear what everyone's take is...especially on the records we tend to avoid discussing like Clouds & Mingus. Bob NP: Elton John, "I Think I'm Going to Kill Myself" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:07:41 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: M*A*S*H and Sex Kills? Last night I saw a rerun of M*A*S*H, and Hawkeye had a line that said something about "lawyers, doctors and indian chiefs." Maybe our Joan saw this episode when writing Sex Kills??? ___________________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | http://home.revealed.net/Harpua | |_________________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:32:37 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Mee.ting with Ashara in Syd.ney Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 01:29:49 -0700 From: "P. Henry" colin wrote: "I think I can safely conclude that John really enjoyed his meeting with Ashara. I got his message saying so 114 times!!!!!!!!" LoL! it's times like this I'm SO glad I get the digest! pat NP: I Had A King ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:27:59 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Gratitude for the Joni Welcoming crew! From: "Debby Magill" Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 01:00:03 -0400 Hi again! I was very surprised and amazed by the e-mails I received in response to my very first post! It was great! I wasn't sure what I was in for but should have known that fellow Joni lovers would have a heart. Thank you for touching mine :~) Debby xoxox ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:09:08 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Essra and Joni and Woodstock Randy quoted Essra: >I > related all that I felt about the whole thing to Joni. I believe I read her > a poem I wrote about my impressions of the event. Anyway she came back the > next day..played me "Woodstock" her new song that she just written and told > me she wrote it from my music...so it was influenced (according to her) by > my music as well as my ideas. Hasn't Joni said that she wrote, or at least started "Woodstock" while confined to a NY hotel room, watching TV news reports of the festival? In other words, it sounds like the song was in existence before she got back to LA to hang out with Essra. Just an observation. ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:35:07 -0700 From: Phyliss Ward Subject: Re: for jmdl guitarists (HOSL) Howard Wright wrote: > Also, I think the music for HOSL was written by John Guerin, and Joni just > did the words and melody, so there may not have been a "Joni guitar part" > in the usual sense. Sorry Howard but after hearing the HOSL demo tape I can safely say you are wrong. This tape is almost exclusively only Joni and her guitar and/or piano. She even sings some of the riffs that are played by other musicians on the actual released recordings. That album is totally Joni. I suspect that she sang or played to the other musicians on the guitar what she wanted them to do with their instruments. I say this because she has mentioned in interviews that she has done this before. - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward - -- Phyliss pward@lightspeed.net http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:12:59 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Early Years Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:07:30 -0700 (PDT) From: Marcel Deste I was reading the most interesting chronology of Jonis life on the Website (an absolutely fabulous creation by the way)and I was intrigued to learn more about Jonis earliest years. How did she come to play "music festivals" around Canada. How did she get the gig at the Newport Folk festival? Did she just gypsy around or was she part of a larger traveling group of players. How did she come to play in the clubs of Calgary? Was someone instrumental in prodding her to do it? My last question is that reference is made to the recording of her performance in Berkeley. Wow. Any idea when or whether that might see the light of day ? Anyone from north of the Border care to share what they know or have a good source. marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:20:46 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: The bowels of majordomo << > sorry, couldn't resist :-) > Jimmy LOL, Jimmy......this is a wonderful idea...hahahaha....now, maybe our resident merchants of parody could conjure up something for us? hmmm?>>> Well, never let it be said that I backed down from a challenge! :~) The Bowels of Majordomo (with apologies to Joni & Magdalene Laundries): I was a computer geek, I'd just turned forty-something When I joined up with some listers Where Joni was our home, oh Branded as a parodist With no hope of publication I'd be stuck for good Deep in the bowels of Majordomo Most folks start out lurking; Then join in discussions, Bridget spoke of Belly, Elliot Smith and Judas Priest We're trying to stay on topic here, But we're not overly successful We're a mix you see, Of Joni-only and NJC-ists Humorists and Guitarists and idiots like me All us posters, trapped in jobs of drudgery Maybe in all this discussion there's room for hilarity, Oh, hilarity.... And all the abbreviations, Jesus! If they'd just spell it out, Then we'd know, and no longer would "Siquomb" be such a mystery I want the grass they're puffing on, I want the brilliance of their speech, Guess I'll have to drive on down To Ashara's Jonifest Party! Bob Muller un.subscribed today He was a smart-ass guy A jerk Decided he'd rather talk about Hole Surely to God you'd think the JMDL best, So maybe he'll sub.scribe again and pass the time at work Maybe he's a dim bulb Inspired by almost anything... Yes, anything Yes, anything.... Whew! This one was NOT easy...but it WAS fun! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:40:31 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: RE: The bowels of majordomo Kudos Bob! You are the parody-est! Who'd have ever thought of using that song for a humor send-off? Now that's talent! You should get an award, or at least some bells should ring. Regards from his drudgery, Harper Lou - -----Original Message----- From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com [mailto:Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 11:21 AM To: Jason Maloney Cc: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: The bowels of majordomo << > sorry, couldn't resist :-) > Jimmy LOL, Jimmy......this is a wonderful idea...hahahaha....now, maybe our resident merchants of parody could conjure up something for us? hmmm?>>> Well, never let it be said that I backed down from a challenge! :~) The Bowels of Majordomo (with apologies to Joni & Magdalene Laundries): I was a computer geek, I'd just turned forty-something When I joined up with some listers Where Joni was our home, oh Branded as a parodist With no hope of publication I'd be stuck for good Deep in the bowels of Majordomo Most folks start out lurking; Then join in discussions, Bridget spoke of Belly, Elliot Smith and Judas Priest We're trying to stay on topic here, But we're not overly successful We're a mix you see, Of Joni-only and NJC-ists Humorists and Guitarists and idiots like me All us posters, trapped in jobs of drudgery Maybe in all this discussion there's room for hilarity, Oh, hilarity.... And all the abbreviations, Jesus! If they'd just spell it out, Then we'd know, and no longer would "Siquomb" be such a mystery I want the grass they're puffing on, I want the brilliance of their speech, Guess I'll have to drive on down To Ashara's Jonifest Party! Bob Muller un.subscribed today He was a smart-ass guy A jerk Decided he'd rather talk about Hole Surely to God you'd think the JMDL best, So maybe he'll sub.scribe again and pass the time at work Maybe he's a dim bulb Inspired by almost anything... Yes, anything Yes, anything.... Whew! This one was NOT easy...but it WAS fun! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:01:46 -0500 From: Mary Pitassi Subject: "Tin Angel", and Virgos I agree with Victor and Paul I: I love "Tin Angel" as the opener to "Clouds," and would be hard-pressed to imagine any other song on the album in its place. Although the "pro-Angel" position has already been very well articulated, for me, this song invites the listener to stop, think, listen, and take risks in the musical experience he or she is about to have. Who knows, s/he may just "find someone to love today": namely, Joni! Mary P. P.S. Just had to say: it's not only the Leos who are celebrating secret birthdays this week (smiling coyly ;-) ). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:16:15 +0100 From: Jason Maloney Subject: Re: The bowels of majordomo Bob, Your "Bowels of majordomo" was hilariously brilliant! It has to be my favourite of all the parodies so far.....a big thank you :-) It verges on genius.... Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:53:21 -0700 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: Comfort in melancholy As many of you know, I am moving to Chicago in a few days. I'll be returning to school, but I plan on settling there even after I graduate. I've been waiting for this move for almost the entire three years that I have been in DC, and I am thrilled to be heading back to a city that has felt like home since the day I first saw its skyline. Change is never easy, however, and as my last days tick by my emotions have begun to volley back and forth. It's a crazy feeling realizing that there are things and people of whom you have to let go, painful though it may be, because to change course and stay is in every way an unhealthy and impossible decision. In this state I have rediscovered (again) a song that lit up the beginning of my summer: "Stay in Touch." A couple of you may remember my story of meeting Oscar in Florida, and the instant connection we made which was described so well in that song: "Part of this is permanent, part of this is passing," etc. Our Lady of Duality struck again (even still on TTT, despite recent threads to the contrary), capturing so well that unique mixture of excitement and dread, infatuation and caution that typifies meeting someone for the first time. Now I am finding the song relevant in a slightly different way. "Part of this is permanent, part of this is passing," now in my life seems to refer not to the hours spent getting to know someone, but to the years I have spent here preparing for the next stage of my life. The lessons I have learned, strength I have built and friends I have made remain with me, but in an esoteric, less palpable sense that feels less secure, if no less real. I now feel a real desire to "stay in touch" with the things about DC that have meant a lot to me, not just in the traditional sense, but in the sense Bob M. described way back when. He talked about "touch" as a state of intimacy or understanding, and Joni's desire to "stay in touch" as a desire to remain in that state. So as I wrestle with my regrets at leaving DC and excitement at arriving in Chicago, I too find myself wanting to stay in touch in a very immediate way with the people and things I am leaving behind. I find myself ritualizing my departure--running through Rock Creek Park one last time, walking the runway a final night with voguers at the club, etching those Monet churches in the National Gallery permanently onto my brain--with a desire to attain that immediacy, that "touch," in my experiences. It's an emotional process, and boy has that song brought some tears to my eyes, but it is of course a comforting one. Thanks to Joni for writing and recording what has turned out to be my song of Summer '99. - --Michael - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:45:30 -0400 From: LOREN CARTER Subject: Comfort in melancholy -Reply Michael, As a long time resident of the DC area, let me (as newly self-proclaimed Metro spokesperson) say that the city of DC will be a little worse off with your departure. We wish you well and Godspeed in the great midwest. But, remember that United Airlines has daily, hourly flights between O'Hare and Ronald Reagen National Airport, so don't be a stranger. Enjoy the Frank L. Wright buildings around Chicago, the Navy pier, and the "taste of Chicago" event along Lake Michigan, oh and Lake Michigan. Loren....(at work in SW DC, but moving to the Ronald Reagan building on Thursday....NP....Midnight Train to Georgia...Gladys and the Pips >>> 08/24/99 12:53pm >>> As many of you know, I am moving to Chicago in a few days. I'll be returning to school, but I plan on settling there even after I graduate. I've been waiting for this move for almost the entire three years that I have been in DC, and I am thrilled to be heading back to a city that has felt like home since the day I first saw its skyline. Change is never easy, however, and as my last days tick by my emotions have begun to volley back and forth. It's a crazy feeling realizing that there are things and people of whom you have to let go, painful though it may be, because to change course and stay is in every way an unhealthy and impossible decision. In this state I have rediscovered (again) a song that lit up the beginning of my summer: "Stay in Touch." A couple of you may remember my story of meeting Oscar in Florida, and the instant connection we made which was described so well in that song: "Part of this is permanent, part of this is passing," etc. Our Lady of Duality struck again (even still on TTT, despite recent threads to the contrary), capturing so well that unique mixture of excitement and dread, infatuation and caution that typifies meeting someone for the first time. Now I am finding the song relevant in a slightly different way. "Part of this is permanent, part of this is passing," now in my life seems to refer not to the hours spent getting to know someone, but to the years I have spent here preparing for the next stage of my life. The lessons I have learned, strength I have built and friends I have made remain with me, but in an esoteric, less palpable sense that feels less secure, if no less real. I now feel a real desire to "stay in touch" with the things about DC that have meant a lot to me, not just in the traditional sense, but in the sense Bob M. described way back when. He talked about "touch" as a state of intimacy or understanding, and Joni's desire to "stay in touch" as a desire to remain in that state. So as I wrestle with my regrets at leaving DC and excitement at arriving in Chicago, I too find myself wanting to stay in touch in a very immediate way with the people and things I am leaving behind. I find myself ritualizing my departure--running through Rock Creek Park one last time, walking the runway a final night with voguers at the club, etching those Monet churches in the National Gallery permanently onto my brain--with a desire to attain that immediacy, that "touch," in my experiences. It's an emotional process, and boy has that song brought some tears to my eyes, but it is of course a comforting one. Thanks to Joni for writing and recording what has turned out to be my song of Summer '99. - --Michael - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:47:24 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: RE: The bowels of majordomo <> Thanks, but I'm looking forward to seeing the REAL talent at Ashara's... <> So I'll stand up here at work and shake my ding-a-ling! :~D Bob NP: Steel Pulse, "Chant A Psalm" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:50:39 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: MAINLY MARQUETTE - BROWSING MUSIC BY LOCAL ARTISTS Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:42:27 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro A nice version of Electricity: http://www.mainlymqt.com/music.htm Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:31:08 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: M*A*S*H and Sex Kills? Mark said: <> And then she watched a rerun of same and wrote Fiction... (Which way to go? Doctor, Lawyer, Indian Chief) Bob NP: Dire Straits, "Twisting By the Pool" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:24:01 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: re: Opening tracks Hey there Bob, thanks for your post... I never really liked TA that much, it didn't 'jump out' at me as a joni fav ... but lately I've been looking closer at the poetry in Joni's work and I really like some of the images that she paints so delicately for us in this song... "varnished weeds in window jars tarnished beads on tapestries kept in satin boxes are reflections of loves memories" (sorry if this isn't right word for word) I think this is pretty ... she sings it so sadly, she's lost so much..it's a song of mourning to me. I love the way she rhyms the words, the use of rhym within, as well as at the end of sentences....it's makes this song easy to listen to. I agree that it is an interesting choice for the first song on this album, but I do think it "works" in this place. I like the choice of Harlem to lead TTT......when I first heard the album it was this song that kept me interested and made me keep playing the whole album again and again (cos I loved that song so much) I find a lot of the other slower songs quite hard to "get into" ... and I really think that if "Man from Mars" or something lead the album I might have been turned off straight away. I agree that NRH and IHAK were great songs to lead NRH and STAS.....and while we are speaking of song order on albums.......I just love the way Blue ends on Richard, it's such a beautiful song and it really leaves sums up the "blueness" of the album, don't you think? My thoughts Ange Sydney <> <> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:26:34 -0700 From: Don Sloan Subject: Joni in the studio was Re: for jmdl guitarists (HOSL) speaking of HOSL, phyliss wrote: > That album is totally Joni. I suspect > that > she sang or played to the other musicians on the guitar what she wanted > them > to do with their instruments. I say this because she has mentioned in > interviews that she has done this before. > - -- > Phyliss > pward@lightspeed.net > http://www.bodywise.com/consultants/bpward > An old friend of mine, Nadine Lewy, wife of Henry, told me about being with Joni in the studio. I think it was right after C&S came out. This (as Phyliss mentions) is how she described Joni's conveying to the musicians what she wanted them to play. Vocalizing, *scatting*, picking riffs out on the guitar - and she said these guys were always amazed at what Joni came up with. I think probably very little improv work is done on Joni's recordings - except maybe by Joni herself :-> Don ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:03:44 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni in the studio was Re: for jmdl guitarists (HOSL) > speaking of HOSL, phyliss wrote: > > > That album is totally Joni. I suspect > > that > > she sang or played to the other musicians on the guitar what she wanted > > them > > to do with their instruments. I say this because she has mentioned in > > interviews that she has done this before. > > - -- > > Phyliss > > An old friend of mine, Nadine Lewy, wife of Henry, told me about being > with Joni in the studio. I think it was right after C&S came out. This > (as Phyliss mentions) is how she described Joni's conveying to the > musicians what she wanted them to play. Vocalizing, *scatting*, picking > riffs out on the guitar - and she said these guys were always amazed at > what Joni came up with. I think probably very little improv work is done > on Joni's recordings - except maybe by Joni herself :-> > > Don Down-Under JMDLer John Low kindly sent me a copy of an article that was published in an Australian magazine called Rhythms. The interviewer asked Joni about how she connected up with Jaco Pastorius. In the course of her explanation she provided a glimpse into her method of giving her arrangements to musicians: 'Well, prior to meeting Jaco I had been newly introduced to the experience of working with an expanded palette with other musicians, and while the first collaboration was very exciting, "Court and Spark" that is, most of the playing came from existing chords in the skeleton of what I played, it was added very carefully. Any counter-melody that was added I would sing to Tom Scott and he would transcribe it, there were a few pockets of free expression, there was one song where part of the horn stack arrangements are mine and they're kind of eccentric and part of them were Tom Scott's in the same song they are more normal horn writing, so like I say there were little pockets of free expression. It was my first experience in guiding musicians and I was clumsy at first in getting what I wanted from them without bruising their spirit. It's hard for anyone to direct musicians, but men being directed by a woman get intolerant quicker, so there was a lot to learn. In the coming of the next record - I gotta give you some background leading up to it - I gave my musicians freer rein, as a result on "The Hissing of Summer Lawns" in some places there was more jazz expression in that I allowed them to express more of their own melodic opinion and they came out of the jazz idiom and therefore the colours that they added to my colours were more idiomatically jazz. As a result some people were offended and said "Joni's gone in a jazz direction" and really what I was doing was giving greater freedom of expression to my players and learning along the way. In the process of learning I learnt that what they did was nice but that I had strong opinions, so I began to then try and guide them closer to what I wanted. ' She goes on to talk about wanting the bass to sound a certain way and how that eventually led to her hooking up with Jaco. And, of course, we know the rest is musical history. For those inquiring minds that want to know. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:16:51 -0400 From: Thunderthumbs Subject: [Fwd: Re: New Releases] X-Mozilla-Status: 0001 Message-ID: <37C351AB.2567@erols.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:15:07 -0400 From: Thunderthumbs X-Mailer: Mozilla 2.01KIT (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: New Releases Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gina, I haven't aquired a taste for Randy Newman's pop music, but he has done two soundtracks (maybe more) that I really thing are on par with any other "serious composer"'s soundtracks- "Awakenings" from 1991 with Robert DeNiro, and Robin Williams- both who I think should have won Oscars for their performances... and "Avalon" from 1990 which I haven't seen, but have the soundtrack as well. Both are excellent. If you'd like a copy, I'd be happy to share the music. It is worth sharing. Ever lurking... Brad P.s If the pop music Randy Newman isn't the soundtrack composer Rany Newman, the joke's on me... Anyone? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:10:05 -0700 From: Lindsay Moon Subject: 8/15 LA Times JM Mention Okay, okay, I know I'm belated in a Joni-in-print sighting ... but better late than never. I was in L.A. for a family wedding and spotted the cover of the L.A. Times Sunday Calendar section, "Hollywood's Revolution of '69." It's an article talking about the various players (actors, directors, producers) making the movies of that time, "Easy Rider," "Bob, Carol, Ted & Alice," "Midnight Cowboy," etc. At one point they go through a diary of the year in which JM is mentioned twice: May 22, 1969: Joni Mitchell plays The Troubador. [There is a 1" x 1" STAS-era photo of her.] August 25, 1969: Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young make their first Los Angeles appearance at the Greek Theater. Opening act: Joni Mitchell. Although I was only 13 that year, I had a strong sense I should be living about 10 years ahead of my time. Maybe in my next life ... Lindsay in San Diego ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:20:38 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: Troubling '60s Non-Flashbacks (VLJC) Steve Dulson wrote: >Boy, I could *swear* I heard EF do the song....oh well, they say the memory is the...what?...what do they say?> ROFLMAO!!! yo, steve, if you can't quit smokin' that stuff, I think you'd better at least give it a break for a week or two! LoL!!! >Anyway, EF was one of the tightest groups I've ever seen.> that's for sure! and what a lineup! Buddy Miles, Mike Bloomfield, ...and I was really surprised the first time I realized that Richie Havens was one of them also! actually, steve, come to think of it, what with the rather close (super session... kooper-bloomfield-stills, and the kooper-bloomfield 'live adventures of' collaboration as well) ties (http://www.tunes.com/release/default.asp?from=from&relid=67263 & http://www.tunes.com/release/default.asp?from=from&relid=169906) between Kooper-Bloomfield, it really doesn't take too much of a stretch to picture EF doing the song in concert or even with Kooper sitting in. it coulda happened... easily! *S* "I can't quit her... she's got her hold on me, she's got her hand on my soul, I can't quit her..." >Always appreciate your comments! :)> same here, steve... whenever I see your name on the digest I automatically think of a dulcimer... it's almost like it's one word... 'stevedulcimer'! *S* I recall the first time I ever laid eyes on a dulcimer... rosewood, I think it was... sitting in Joni's lap. ...and man did it just sound as sweet as honey with my roadworn, battered old martin D28! pat NP: Tell Me Why - N. Young Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:05:25 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni in the studio was Re: for jmdl guitarists (HOSL) Don wrote: > An old friend of mine, Nadine Lewy, wife of Henry, told me about > being with Joni in the studio. I think it was right after C&S came out. > This (as Phyliss mentions) is how she described Joni's conveying to the > musicians what she wanted them to play. Vocalizing, *scatting*, > picking riffs out on the guitar - and she said these guys were always amazed > at what Joni came up with. Wow, Don, what a very cool Joni connection! I'll bet Nadine has more than a few great stories! Mark quoted from the "Rhythms" magazine interview with Joni: > I would sing to Tom Scott and he would transcribe it, > there were a few pockets of free expression, there was one song where > part of the horn stack arrangements are mine and they're kind of > eccentric and part of them were Tom Scott's in the same song they are > more normal horn writing, so like I say there were little pockets of > free expression. In the coming of the next record - I gotta give you > some background leading up to it - I gave my musicians freer rein, as > a result on "The Hissing of Summer Lawns" in some places there was > more jazz expression in that I allowed them to express more of their > own melodic opinion and they came out of the jazz idiom and therefore > the colours that they added to my colours were more idiomatically > jazz. I've already blathered on about how much I love the HOSL "Demo" tape and I listened to it constantly for several weeks. At one point, I was discussing it offlist and finally went back and listened to the actual album and it was somewhat disorienting after bonding so much to the demo versions of the songs. I would not say that the demos are better but I did perceive that Joni lost a slight amount of her original interpretation in the jazzy final product. I tried to analyze how this happened without in any way resorting to dissing the contributions of Guerin, Bennet, Carlton, Felder, Findley and the others. My sense was that Joni did lose a little control once she added them - this comes across in her singing where she seems to straining a bit at times to follow or keep up with their (majority ;-) lead. Not to criticize - my appreciation of this album only grows all the time - it's just something I noticed between the two versions. As to earlier question/comments today regarding HOSL - Guerin is credited in the songbook with writing the music to Hissing of Summer Lawns and James Taylor is credited with playing guitar on the album track. By the way, Tom Scott and the L.A. Express were playing here in Hollywood last Sunday. Ashara and I wanted to try to fit it in but we just can't do it all sometimes! Kakki ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #165 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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