From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #158 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Friday, August 20 1999 Volume 01 : Number 158 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: Joni to the letter [Jason Maloney ] worshipping LOTC [Robert Holliston ] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #356 [Bern44105@aol.com] Paved Paradise Dates? ["Steve Harper" ] Re: JMDL Digest V4 #356 [" " ] Re: Joni Disney [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Joni to the letter [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Calling all VG-8ites [Susan McNamara ] peace of mind, body & spirit [Janene Otten ] Jonifest and Wally fundraiser [Bounced Message ] Re: peace of mind, body & spirit [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: peace of mind, body & spirit [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Sic ["Catherine McKay" ] Joni/Disney ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Joni/Disney [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Joni and Essra [Randy Remote ] PWWAM fan [Martin Giles ] Re: Sic [Brian Gross ] Re: Sic [=?iso-8859-1?Q?Winfried_H=FChn?= ] Re: PWWAM fan [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: CD Tree Structure -THANK YOU [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: CD Tree Structure -THANK YOU [Randy Remote ] Mingus AmongUs ["Harry Hultquist" ] PWWAM & less than lurking (SJC) [Wolfebite@aol.com] Essra Mohawk [john noble ] Re: Mingus AmongUs [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Lead Balloon - Taming .... [catman ] The Sensitive Ones ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Hejira, revisited ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] [Fwd: Song for Sharon] ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] Re: Lead Balloon - Taming .... ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] Re: Hejira, revisited [IVPAUL42@aol.com] "Nothing Can Be Done" ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Lead Balloon - Taming .... ["Wally Kairuz" Subject: Re: Joni to the letter Mark or Travis wrote: > You're all wrong! It should be the letter 'Z' because Joni is the sum > total and the living end! "Z"???....noooo, that would suggest her music sends people to sleep. And of course, she NEVER has that effect, now does she? DOES she??? Hey...wake up over there! ;-) Jason. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 03:43:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Holliston Subject: worshipping LOTC Hey y'all! Many of you already know how much I love Ladies Of The Canyon. Listening to it yet again, it is so humbling! There were two albums that I clung to during that horrible time known as high school: this one and Laura Nyro's Christmas and the Beads of Sweat. IMHO, every step Joni made during the 1970s was there in embryo in LOTC. Also, IMHO, Laura was pretty amazing, especially in Christmas.... Who made albums like LOTC and CATBOS way back in 1971? Nobody. Nobody else had the guts. Whatever, just my $0.02 Roberto ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:19:43 EDT From: Bern44105@aol.com Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #356 Greetings to All! Anybody know how long Paved Paradise will be playing in Provincetown? It would be nice to make an excursion to see it while we're all in New England for Jonifest... Bern ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:39:57 PDT From: "Steve Harper" Subject: Paved Paradise Dates? Hi, guys! Listen, I have heard/read about the Paved Paradise show and would love to see it. Does anyone know (Chuck? Ashara?) when/where this show will be playing? >I hear Chuck and Ashara and gang are headed to a >performance of Paved Paradise somewheres up there around that time. Thanks! Steve Harper _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:44:31 -0700 From: " " Subject: Re: JMDL Digest V4 #356 Randy, there was a spirit of mutual influence among musicians at that time. Essra, Joni and Crosby all lived near each other in L.A. circa "Woodstock." They were all friends and used to play each others' songs for each other. From what I recall, Joni's song "Woodstock" was based at least partially on Essra's musical style at the time, as well as on her poetry. She was indeed scheduled to perform at the fest but her manager took a wrong turn, ruining that "shot." However, she was there for the whole thing and wrote a poem about the experience, which she shared with Joni. Regarding Crosby, Essra's song (which was released prior to Deja Vu), "I Have Been Here Before" did inspire Crosby's "We Have All Been Here Before" chorus. Mohawk is a criminally overlooked singer, musician and songwriter. I really think her new CD (Essie Mae Hawk Meets the Killer Groove Band) is ten times better than the stuff Bonnie Raitt has been putting out - and I'm a big Raitt fan. Regards. Escobar <<< Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:26:48 -0700From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Essra Mohawk I had not heard of her. Her bio says "Joni Mitchell's song "Woodstock" was inspired by Essra's words and music (!?!?!?!) She also says David Crosby's "Deja Vu" was inspired by her song "I Have Been Here Before" which he asked her to play for him many times. Frank Zappa was impressed with her musicianship and she became the first female in his band. For those on this list, the "Woodstock" claim (unexplained as it is) might be a little hard to fathom. Anyone ever heard a reference to this? She says she is working on an autobiography, also has a new CD.RR http://www.rockersusa.com/EssraMohawk >>> - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:47:41 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Joni Disney marcel enlightens: <> Oh please no, Marcel, keep those metaphors flyin'! :~) Sadly, I realize that lowbrow me was the only one to make that Disney connection with Alice in Wonderland...you guys probably don't think of the Lone Ranger when you hear the William Tell overture either... :~) Or maybe a better metaphor for this time in Joni's life is the intro to the Mary Tyler Moore show with Joni walking up and down the streets of NY flinging her beret up in the air. Hey, the theme song applies: "Who can turn on the world on with her smile, who can take a nothing day and suddenly make it all seem worthwhile Well, it's you girl and you should know it, with each glance and every little movement you show it... You guys know the rest, right? Ok, so you're not as highbrow as I thought... :~) Bob NP: Tom Waits, "Down, Down, Down" (from one of his MANY "undiscovered classics") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:06:29 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Joni to the letter <<"Z"???....noooo, that would suggest her music sends people to sleep. And of course, she NEVER has that effect, now does she? DOES she??? Hey...wake up over there! ;-)>> Well here's a true confession...when I bought DJRD, I would always cue up Paprika Plains when I was going to bed and drift off to Dreamland (the locale, not the song). It IS a very sleep-inducing track after all...she sings, ""I'm floating off, I'm floating into dreams..." and off I would go. To this day, I'm infinitely more familiar with the first 5 minutes of the song than I am with the rest of it! Bob NP: REM "There She Goes Again" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:25:41 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: Calling all VG-8ites If you own and operate a VG-8, I would be most appreciative if you could email me. I have been receiving lots of requests for information and since I know diddly, I would like to be able to refer people to someone with knowledge. If you are willing to be a contact, let me know. Also, if you know of any discussion groups that relate to the VG-8 that may be a good resource, too. Thanks, Sue PS email me directly instead of to the list because I'm hopelessly behind on digests again!!!! NP: Harlem in Havana (can't get enough of that song!!) ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:15:34 -0400 From: Janene Otten Subject: peace of mind, body & spirit < Subject: Jonifest and Wally fundraiser From: Ashara@aol.com Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:24:00 EDT Even though I'm still Down Under, I've heard from 4 more party-goers! Kay Ashley, Brian, (Chilihead), and Bryan Thomas and his partner Cindy will be joining us! YAY!!!!!!!!!! Who else is falling off that damn fence? :-) If you haven't sent your checks for the Wally fundraiser, please, please send them off now! I'd love to be able to wrap things up when I get home. (Of course, it will NEVER be too late to send a check on Wally's behalf, but it would be great to have as many as possible when I return.) Could one of my "henchpeople" inform the newbies on the list to exactly what is happening, ie: fundraiser, Jonifest, etc.? Thanks! On another note, I forgot to mention that when I went bungee jumping in Cairns, I was wearing my JMDL denim shirt!! :-) I'm *sure* it was my lucky omen to staying alive! ;-) The JMDL connection just keeps going....and going.....and going! Saturday, I will be meeting up with Ange, Nicholas, and John in Sydney, where I am now. When I get home, I will meet up with Maggie, Chuck, and their respective spouses on Thursday for fellow lister Bryan Thomas' gig in Boston, then off the next day with Maggie and Alex again, to the Cape where we will see "Paved Paradise", then back home in time to clean the house for Jonifest. YEE-HAW!!! What a summer this has been! Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:01:21 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: peace of mind, body & spirit In a message dated 8/19/99 10:20:10 AM Eastern Daylight Time, JaneneO@mji.com writes: << This peace in Joni's life must have a lot to do with her finally having a relationship with Kilauren. I know that reunion has been an extremely positive force in her life and it has undoubtedly influenced her music. >> That could be. We just came back from reuniting with our 14 yr.old daughter's birthmom and extended family. The joy her b/mom felt and expressed was just incredible. It lay to rest her anxieties about how (our) daughter is doing. Terry, still wet-eyed ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:02:11 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: peace of mind, body & spirit Janene said: <> Absolutely! It was one of the great unresolved difficulties in her life, and reflects itself from Little Green (written before anything on STAS), to Morning Morgantown, to Chinese Cafe to Beat of Black Wings to Magdalene Laundries to Stay in Touch. We'd been talking about Song for Sharon, and I think her giving up her child is certainly a part of her longing for family and roots. Her re-discovering Kilauren and becoming a Grandmother has GOT to be overly joyful for her and I'm sure we'll see that reflected in her next studio project of original material. Although part of me hopes she'll have to change some of Daisy Joan's nasty diapers so she can maintain her dark edge: Sung to the tune of...well, you can figure it out... "Bows, and rows of happy smiles, The total lack of evil guiles, Laughs and cuddling all the while, I'd looked at kids that way, But now they only cry and fling, They puke and drool on everything, And interrupt me when I sing And turn my blond hair gray, I've looked at kids from both sides now, They never sleep! They don't know how, These toddlers to me are so foreign, I'm glad I can give them back.....to Kilauren!" Bob, suffering from creative over-exposure this week... PS: I love the story in an interview about Joni traveling with a bottle of Evian water, not knowing that Kilauren was the model on the picture on the bottle, so Joni was in essence "cradling" her child all along while she traveled... NP: XTC, "In Loving Memory of a Name" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:23:10 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Sic >think it might be a British one too as we use it here. Wd also use >the >word in brackets after another word or phrase that we know to be a >mistake. > "Sic" as you describe it is a Latin word from a longer phrase which is something like "sic dixit" or "sic erat dixit" (sorry, but my Latin is a bit rusty.) It means "Thus it was said" or words to that effect - in other words, by placing "sic" in brakets (sic), you are telling your reader that you are smarter than the person whose writing you are quoting - it's kind of a nudge, nudge, wink, wink - I know the person who wrote this made a mistake. I have no idea where the "sic" as is "Sic her, Rover" comes from, but it might be interesting to check it out. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:31:23 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Joni/Disney I think what irritates me most about Disney is that so many people think he and his crew actuallY WROTE all that stuff to begin with. Disney did NOT write 101 Dalmations (Dodie Smith); Mary Poppins (I forget the lady's name, but it was initials only first name and a veddy British last name, and her Poppins was not Julie Andrews!); Bambi (Felix Salton); Alice in Wonderland (Lewis Carroll) ; Winnie The Pooh (A.A.Milne); or most of the other films they made movies of. In fact, in most (if not all) cases, they changed the stories drastically and took out all the "dark" stuff (maybe not all), Americanized them wherever they could (no offense to les americains), and gave most of them happy endings. Again, I think Disney's stuff is brilliant in its own way - often a feast for the eyes - but it's not original. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:11:07 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni/Disney Catherine McKay wrote:Again, I think Disney's stuff is brilliant in its own way - often a feast > for the eyes - but it's not original. Aw, Come on. He DID name the Seven Dwarfs! Jerry :) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:45:06 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Joni and Essra I understand all that, it's just that I always heard that Joni wrote Woodstock in a hotel room after the festival. I just wonder how she would respond to that claim. That's not to say there was not cross pollination amongst songwriters, but Essra's making a very specific claim, so I would like more specifics about it. Was she there when Joni wrote it? Does she have a composition pre-Woodstock that resembles it? Details, please. RR total_sco@my-deja.com wrote: > Randy, there was a spirit of mutual influence among musicians at that time. Essra, Joni and Crosby all lived near each other in L.A. circa "Woodstock." They were all friends and used to play each others' songs for each other. From what I recall, Joni's song "Woodstock" was based at least partially on Essra's musical style at the time, as well as on her poetry. She was indeed scheduled to perform at the fest but her manager took a wrong turn, ruining that "shot." However, she was there for the whole thing and wrote a poem about the experience, which she shared with Joni. Regarding Crosby, Essra's song (which was released prior to Deja Vu), "I Have Been Here Before" did inspire Crosby's "We Have All Been Here Before" chorus. > > Mohawk is a criminally overlooked singer, musician and songwriter. I really think her new CD (Essie Mae Hawk Meets the Killer Groove Band) is ten times better than the stuff Bonnie Raitt has been putting out - and I'm a big Raitt fan. > > Regards. > > Escobar > > <<< Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:26:48 -0700From: Randy Remote > Subject: Re: Essra Mohawk > I had not heard of her. Her bio says "Joni Mitchell's song "Woodstock" was inspired by Essra's words and music (!?!?!?!) She also says David Crosby's "Deja Vu" was inspired by her song "I Have Been Here Before" which he asked her to play for him many times. Frank Zappa was impressed with her musicianship and she became the first female in his band. For those on this list, the "Woodstock" claim (unexplained as it is) might be a little hard to fathom. Anyone ever heard a reference to this? She says she is working on an autobiography, also has a new CD.RR > http://www.rockersusa.com/EssraMohawk >>> > > --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- > Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:38:37 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: PWWAM fan Lo folks I've been playing my latest Joni purchase, (Painting With Words And Music) a lot in the last week and have fallen in love with it. But strangely, the song that has got me most at the moment is her cover of 'Nothing Can Be Done'. Her laid back smoky tremolo suits it to a tee (very sexy), and the band are so cool behind her. There was a thread a short while back about what songs we'd like to hear Joni sing. On the strength of NCBD I'd nominate anything of Billie Holiday's. Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:21:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: Re: Sic - ---Catherine McKay wrote: > > I have no idea where the "sic" as is "Sic her, Rover" comes from, but it > might be interesting to check it out. Maybe from the same place that "apply" as in "apply the fire with kindling" came from in the printed lyrics to "Urge for Going" (which I understand has recently been selected as the national theme song for EPSOA [Enlarged Prostate Sufferers Of America] ;-) Brian === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:11:02 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Winfried_H=FChn?= Subject: Re: Sic "Sic" is also used here in Germany in written language. It seems to be especially popular among intellectuals and even more popular among would-be intellectuals. It is supposed to be used to emphasize a certain fact, but mostly used to convey in a formal and polite way that somebody else's statement or behavior is way out stupid. Original example from a law professor's comment on a student paper (yes, mine): "Student begins his case examination with (sic!)§823, thereby neglecting the existence of a contractual relationship. Even if tort law would apply primarily, the relevant §§ would be §831 ff. of course rather than §823 (cf. my critique of Supreme Court ruling... blah blah....)" BLAH! BLAH! Often we don't know whether a person attacked with a "sic" really is such a dumb-ass. But we can safely conclude the "sic'er" being a smart-ass! Winfried, who hates "sic"-users beyond time and space and thinks there should be laws against them... ;-) - ----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Catherine McKay An: Cc: Gesendet: 19. august 1999 17:23 Betreff: Sic > >think it might be a British one too as we use it here. Wd also use >the > >word in brackets after another word or phrase that we know to be a > >mistake. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:41:27 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: PWWAM fan Martin said: <> I 'bout fell off my chair when I read that , Martin, figuring I'd been ripped off on my copy of PWWAM, until I realized you were talking about "Comes Love". NCBD was Klein's music, her words... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:58:52 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: CD Tree Structure -THANK YOU To Pat, Les and All Involved: THANKS for all of the time and effort that you have put into the CD tree. The recordings that were selected will be a welcomed addition to my collection. And the artwork for the covers is truly unbelievable. Thanks again--your efforts are appreciated and I'll think of you all each time I listen (which will be often). All the best, Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:12:42 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: CD Tree Structure -THANK YOU What CD tree? What are you talking about? Did I miss something? SMEBD@aol.com wrote: > To Pat, Les and All Involved: > > THANKS for all of the time and effort that you have put into the CD tree. > The recordings that were selected will be a welcomed addition to my > collection. And the artwork for the covers is truly unbelievable. Thanks > again--your efforts are appreciated and I'll think of you all each time I > listen (which will be often). > > All the best, > > Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:22:16 -0600 From: "Harry Hultquist" Subject: Mingus AmongUs >My debut appearance here...actually pretty novice, on the computer keys as well... >"Pleasure being here, is all mine". "I hope you can pick it up loud and clear".. >And put up with my 'antics'.. >Off that Mingus album...Is that (in yours and your opinion).. bogyman..(as in the blue/jazz, idiom),,,,,Or, bogeyman.. (the dark side of the yin/yang 'FineLine') ?? Obviously, best answered by Joni herself, if she'd even qualify the question with a response.....BUt what do you think? >On another note.....this ' LaborDay JoniFest' up and coming.. I guess it's dreaming to ask..., if she'll make an appearance!! Yeah..dreaming...I'd sell the farm to see her again in concert.. >Indulge me anyway...where??....I'm finding that as a 'novice' on these keys, it's dificult to navigate this ..."UnSurfable Chaos" at times...any help would be appreciated..greatly! >Last request... That, CBS This Morning interview with Mark McKuin (sp?)...and the great NO..GREAT redo's Joni did from some classic albums with her nasty 'green electric'....and just a drummer and a very 'tasty' bass player performance! How would I go about obtaining said video copy?? Regards to All :-) Harry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:00:41 EDT From: Wolfebite@aol.com Subject: PWWAM & less than lurking (SJC) hello all i would LOVE a full version of the knuckle-wrapping deepthroated dreamland at the end of the video. i felt so robbed when it cut off. i just watched the video for the first time last night! what an amazing performance! i'm really impressed by the sound mixing, especially after listening to so many beloved tape trees of murky songs ringing across some amplitheatre into the tape recorder hidden in the crotch of some secret bootleg tape maker with a companion asking for a light every now and then and some hooting fan screaming "joni". joni's voice, her performance in PWWAM was sensual, passionate, so clear and precise!!!! Gene kept coming in from the other room where he was trying to work and saying- 'this is really good!' my comments- besides how amazing dreamland was- are.... when she sang without guitar (why do fools, trouble man, comes love/nothing can be done [as listed on the packaging]), she was so animated- full bodied, full voiced- while with guitar- she's so restrained. Still- she sang the shit out of all those songs. I really recommend this video- especially after having seen her on tour with Bob D here in chicago- where your voice hovered as best as it could over the bloated reverberant blare of speaker towers stacked to the ceiling of the united center (which is an acoustic nightmare). I don't think we're going to get a brighter, more nuanced live mix again. of course you all have probably said this already- i just haven't been reading. i've been less than lurking- i've been ignoring the list- lost in my struggle of putting a 2.5 year relationship to rest and opening the door to a new friendship/roommate arrangment. It's been hard at times and absorbing and i've only read occasional post. now i'm back on track regards doug ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:22:03 -0700 From: john noble Subject: Essra Mohawk Hi, Tucker here, The reference to Essra Mohawk's comments about her influence on the song Woodstock are from a book called When the Music Mattered, Rock in the 1960's. by Bruce Pollock. Here's a paragraph from page 178. Joni Mitchell was a regulaar visitor at Essra's house."I had just come back from Woodstock and I read her a poem I'd written and told her my impressions of the festival," Essra said. "The next day she came back with her song 'Woodstock' and said to me, and I quote, 'I want you to hear my new song. It was influenced by your music.' So that's a quote from her. I guess I was the first free-form vocalist in rock 'n' roll, and I showed Joni not how to do it, but just told her to go ahead and do it. And, basically, ever since then she went off into the more dissonant chords and the more jazzy vocal style. That was my influence. I've never heard her say it to anyone, and I've never heard anyone else say it to me, and I haven't seen her in many years, but I don't know why she would deny it." Pretty wild, huh?! Tucker from Taos ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:15:05 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Mingus AmongUs Harry introduces and asks: <<>My debut appearance here...actually pretty novice, on the computer keys as well... >"Pleasure being here, is all mine". "I hope you can pick it up loud and clear".. >And put up with my 'antics'..>> Welcome, Harry! You came through loud and clear on my machine... <<>Off that Mingus album...Is that (in yours and your opinion).. bogyman..(as in the blue/jazz, idiom),,,,,Or, bogeyman.. (the dark side of the yin/yang 'FineLine') ??>> Boy, that's a good question, Harry - I've always considered it a "duality" thing. The opening line in the song... "He is three, one's in the middle unmoved, one's attacking, one keeps trying to love and trust" (edited) has always suggested the Trinity to me. "Blind faith to care, blind rage to kill" suggests the dichotomy of God as a loving God (a "cool" God if you will who likes to boogie in a "cool" way) with the vengeful smiting God (who would be a "Boogeyman"/bad guy). First she calls the plan "Divine", then "Insulting", then "Cock-eyed"....interesting progression, like artifice, brutality, and innocence. It calls for a lot of interpretation I think - I'm anxious to hear what others think. Thanks for introducing yourself and for the question- pretty heavy for a "novice"! :~) Bob NP: X, "How I (Learned My Lesson) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:41:55 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Lead Balloon - Taming .... IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 8/18/99 8:49:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: > > << Wd {sic} also use the > word in brackets after another word or phrase that we know to be a > mistake. >> > > As WE do here, but this is clearly not the intended usage in Joni's context. Thankyou for this piece of enlightenment.(sic) > > > Paul I - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:48:49 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: The Sensitive Ones Raitt, Hornsby, Colvin, Browne Tour By DAVID GERMAIN BURBANK, Calif. (AP) - Jackson Browne, Shawn Colvin, Bruce Hornsby and Bonnie Raitt, whose paths often have crossed on tours and in the studio while working on one another's albums, have packaged their mutual admiration for a 22-show tour. ``These are my favorite singers and songwriters in the world,'' Raitt said in an interview with Browne, Colvin and Hornsby at NBC's ``Tonight'' show studio before a recent performance. While it's a dream date for singer-songwriter fans to see so much talent on stage for three hours, the foursome say it's their chance to hit the road with people and music they love and respect. ``It is like running away with the circus,'' Browne said. ``We're leaving all the responsibilities and the hard-fought-for control that you have and giving it up to people that inspire you and challenge you.'' The tour, which begins Aug. 26 in Mansfield, Mass., and finishes Sept. 25 in George, Wash., grew out of benefit shows Raitt, Browne and Hornsby did together for Hurricane Mitch victims in December. They enjoyed themselves so much they decided to turn it into a longer gig. ``We had such a great time,'' Hornsby said. ``Bonnie called me once a week for the whole month of January and said, `We have to do this. It's too much fun, too much of a kindred-spirit feeling. We have to do this for real.''' They invited Colvin to join them, along with David Lindley, a longtime Browne collaborator. They've put together a five-piece band to back them and plan to perform a combination of one another's music and some songs by other musicians. ``It's not like a Vegas show. This is four people playing in a living room, basically, and inviting 15,000 people,'' Raitt said. They'll be trading vocals on one another's songs, offering new takes on familiar material. ``They're like super versions of these songs because of the concentrated vocal power,'' Browne said. ``Some of my songs are just better than they've ever been.'' The friendship and good humor they hope will characterize the tour showed through during the ``Tonight'' show rehearsal, when the four and their backing band broke into a playful, funked-up version of ``End of the Innocence'' - a Hornsby-Don Henley composition - and a semi-bluegrass take on ``Amazing Grace,'' complete with whoops and hollers. All four said they were happy to back out of the leader's spot and blend into a band. ``Anything's a relief if you do one thing long enough,'' Colvin said. ``If you play solo long enough then you get to play with a band, that's a relief. If you're with a band, then you get to play solo, that's a relief. ``If you do your own material constantly, then suddenly there's a world of other people's material that you admire and love open to you, what a relief. It's great for me to be a backup singer and a rhythm guitar player.'' They'll be recording the tour and have talked about putting out a live album or video afterward. And Colvin said they even talked about extending the quartet's travels to Europe, Africa and Australia. The group kicked around ideas for a band name in the vein of other super groups such as the Traveling Wilburys. In the end, they decided a name would have been too confining and would detract from ``something as special as this,'' Colvin said. Instead, they said, they've simply focused on the music and having fun with musicians they've long admired. ``All the practice singing along in the car with these people's songs is now paying off,'' Hornsby said. Tour dates for Jackson Browne, Shawn Colvin, Bruce Hornsby, Bonnie Raitt and David Lindley: Aug. 26: Tweeter Center, Mansfield, Mass. Aug. 27: Saratoga Performing Arts Center, Saratoga Springs, N.Y. Aug. 29: Jones Beach, Wantagh, N.Y. Aug. 31: PNC Bank Arts Center, Holmdel, N.J. Sept. 1: Blockbuster Entertainment Center, Camden, N.J. Sept. 2: Merriweather Post, Columbia, Md. Sept. 4: Walnut Creek, Raleigh, N.C. Sept. 5: Lakewood Amphitheater, Atlanta. Sept. 7: Riverbend, Cincinnati. Sept. 8: Pine Knob Music Theatre, Clarkston, Mich. Sept. 9: New World Music Theatre, Tinley Park, Ill. Sept. 11: Red Rocks, Morrison, Colo. Sept. 12: Red Rocks, Morrison, Colo. Sept. 14: Greek Theatre, Los Angeles. Sept. 15: County Bowl, Santa Barbara, Calif. Sept. 17: TBA. Sept. 18: Concord Pavilion, Concord, Calif. Sept. 19: Shoreline Amphitheater, Mountain View, Calif. Sept. 21: Idaho Center, Boise, Idaho. Sept. 22: Hilton Amphitheater, Reno, Nev. Sept. 24: The Meadows, Portland, Ore. Sept. 25: The Gorge, George, Wash. Copyright 1999 The Associated Press. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:41:57 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: Hejira, revisited Does anyone know what "Hejira" means? I've never heard this word before. I should know it's meaning, since the song itself has more meaning to me than any other song that I know. When I listen to it after not hearing it for a few days, I feel like I'm showering for the first time in days after being on a camping trip. Cleansed, refreshed, redefined, reconnected, centered. (Deep breath, ahhhhhhhhh) Jenny, CT np Hejira ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:43:03 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: [Fwd: Song for Sharon] Message-ID: <37B9E1CC.4CCC@snet.net> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:27:24 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Reply-To: jlhall01@snet.net Organization: The Mortgage Finance Corp. X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01C-SNET (Win95; U) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Song for Sharon Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This song, and Hejira, which I used to skip over when I first bought MOA, have become one of my favorites. Now that the words and emotions related with these songs have touched my soul (surely you've touched mine, Joni) I skip over the other ones to hear these first. My take is that Joni is a lover of love, and of the pain that comes with it. She has always fancied the idea of having the husband and the family and the farm and would trade places with Sharon in a heartbeat (YOU sing for your friends and your family, I'LL watch green pastures by and by). The relationships she's had just haven't been what she needed to get her there. For Joni, love has been an emotion attached to an imaginary ideal-she truly beleives love is stimulated by illusion, more than anything. And even though it's a repetitious danger (at least according to her experience) she will continue to chase the White Lace. Jenny CT np: Song for Sharon ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:53:16 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: Re: Lead Balloon - Taming .... catman wrote: > > mwyarbro@zzapp.org wrote: > > > "Wingnut" wrote: > > > > << > to me. = Can anyone help? What is SIC?>>> > > > > This is an American expression commanding a dog to attack something > > or someone. > > I think it might be a British one too as we use it here. Wd also use the > word in brackets after another word or phrase that we know to be a > mistake. > "rover" is considered the quintessetial doggie name in the U.S. and "sic her Rover" is definately a command to her dog to attack someone. Jenny, CT np people's parties ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:01:41 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Hejira, revisited In a message dated 8/19/99 10:57:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlhall01@snet.net writes: << Does anyone know what "Hejira" means? I've never heard this word before. I should know it's meaning, since the song itself has more meaning to me than any other song that I know. >> he*gi*ra also he*ji*ra (noun) [the Hegira, flight of Muhammad from Mecca in A.D. 622, from Medieval Latin, from Arabic hijrah, literally, flight] First appeared 1753 : a journey esp. when undertaken to escape from a dangerous or undesirable situation : EXODUS ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:10:14 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: "Nothing Can Be Done" Joni does a fantastic job on this song at the "A Day In The Garden" show. It is preserved forever on Tape Tree #8. Anyone on the JMDL can obtain it free (okay for the price of postage- you supply the tapes) from me. Just write, right? Martin said: > I've been playing my latest Joni purchase, (Painting With Words And > Music) a lot in the last week and have fallen in love with it. But > strangely, the song that has got me most at the moment is her cover of > 'Nothing Can Be Done'. Her laid back smoky tremolo suits it to a tee > (very sexy), and the band are so cool behind her. - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 03:24:57 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: Lead Balloon - Taming .... i didn't know now that! now that bit of lyrics makes a lot sense to me. thanks, jennifer wally\k >"rover" is considered the quintessetial doggie name in the U.S. and >"sic her Rover" is definately a command to her dog to attack someone. > >Jenny, CT >np people's parties > ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #158 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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