From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #157 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, August 19 1999 Volume 01 : Number 157 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: One Word Albums [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Essra Mohawk [" " ] Joni to the letter [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] VLJC [Janene Otten ] Re: Joni Disney ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Song for Sharon [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Joni Disney [Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com] Re: Joni Disney ["Reuben Bell3" ] Re: Joni to the letter [Don Rowe ] Thoughts on PWWAM video [Heather Galli ] Re: Thoughts on PWWAM video ["Gerald Notaro (LIB)" ] Re: Essra Mohawk [Randy Remote ] Re: Former Lady Of Duality [Don Rowe ] Lead Balloon - Taming .... [Bounced Message ] RE: Lead Balloon - Taming .... [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] Re: Lead Balloon - Taming .... [catman ] Re: Joni to the letter ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Joni to the letter ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Former Lady Of Duality ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Happy Birthday Baby!!! ["Mark or Travis" > No, it's obviously "s". Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 06:04:36 -0700 From: " " Subject: Essra Mohawk Anybody here familiar with Essra? She's a singer-songwriter who had quite a bit of influence on Joni's music and lyrics "back in the Woodstock days" --- http://www.rockersusa.com/EssraMohawk Check it out. - --== Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ ==-- Share what you know. Learn what you don't. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:43:47 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Joni to the letter David said: <> Then Paul said: <> IMO, these are both poor choices. "R" denotes "under 17 not admitted", and even though 17 is a significant number for Joni (as in 'since I was 17 I've had no one over me'), I think that those under 17 can enjoy and appreciate her music - we have some under 17 on this list, as a matter of fact, and I'm sure they would be upset if they were told they needed a parent or guardian to appreciate Joni! "S" is also a significant letter for Joni ('Kiss my S I said'), but it's also the letter that Superman uses as HIS symbol. Let's face it, Joni hates playing second fiddle to a man, especially one with super-strength and X-ray vision. She'd be the first one to break out the kryptonite! :~) But, then again, if XTC can have a relationship with Supergirl, Joni can have one with Superman...(do I feel a parody coming on?) Anyway, the letter that HAS to be Joni's letter is the same one that rewards all of us for doing our best - "A" (although I don't think she'd want to wear that letter on her sweater, unless she was at Myrtle & Bill's and wanted to burn Myrtle's "S"... PS: I hope y'all know that all this is submitted with tongue firmly implanted in cheek... Bob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:10:13 -0400 From: Janene Otten Subject: VLJC How is everybody today? I'm doing very well. I wanted to welcome Steve. New England is beautiful and I'm sure you will enjoy Cape Cod. Don't forget the seafood! Lobster & clams...mmmm... Also, big congratulations going out to Vince (the Rev). New life is always a blessing. Beautiful baby Braiden! a) Some of you that were at Joni's Jazz and enjoyed Joy Askew's performance may be interested in seeing her in NYC: 9/8 Wild Colonials, Joy Askew @ Fez b)A new USA/October Films feature "Sugar Town" features Larry Klein as a (here's a stretch) record producer named Burt. It was featured at the 1999 Sundance Film Festival. I suppose that's all today. Take care, all. Janene ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:12:57 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Joni Disney Arrggghh! Please don't Disnefy Joni - I can't take it! Disney is genius is his/its own right, but Disney always waters things down, and it has all become such a formula now. Joni is much deeper and darker than that. (I know you're kidding, Bob - please, Bob, say you're kidding!) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:18:42 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Song for Sharon Jenny said: <> Jenny, congratulations! You have the extremely RARE copy of MOA that has Hejira & Song For Sharon on it! :~) <> I respectfully disagree; I think she is envious of THAT ASPECT of Sharon's life to a degree, but she also realizes the compromises she'd have to make artistically to become a farmer's wife and while she pines for that kind of emotional security she knows that it would be ultimately unfulfilling and would come at too high a cost. She'll watch HER green pastures either from the vantage point of an airplane window or when she's buried in a green pasture. <> Now THIS we can agree on...although I for one don't think she's going to get officially married again ("We don't need no piece of paper from the City Hall, keepin' us tied & true...") Bob NP: Marvin Gaye, "Flyin' High (In the Friendly Sky)" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:41:36 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Joni Disney Catherine shrieks: <> In my best Eeyore voice, I'd first say "Thanks for noticin' me"... I was kidding, OK? (although Joni DOES have those Cruella DeVille cheekbones...) Besides, Marcel started it with his "STAS is Alice In Wonderland" comment! And don't say you were talking about the book Marcel, because the book was called "Alice Through The Looking Glass"... (Although I don't think Disney came up with the revised title; can any of our librarians out there assist?) Bob NP: REM, "Try Not to Breathe" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:00:50 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell3" Subject: Re: Joni Disney I think actually the first book was "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland", and the second was "Through the Looking Glass and What Alice Found There". "I speak severely to my boy and beat him when he sneezes for he can thoroughly enjoy the pepper when he pleases." The Duchess >>> 08/18/99 10:41AM >>> Catherine shrieks: <> In my best Eeyore voice, I'd first say "Thanks for noticin' me"... I was kidding, OK? (although Joni DOES have those Cruella DeVille cheekbones...) Besides, Marcel started it with his "STAS is Alice In Wonderland" comment! And don't say you were talking about the book Marcel, because the book was called "Alice Through The Looking Glass"... (Although I don't think Disney came up with the revised title; can any of our librarians out there assist?) Bob NP: REM, "Try Not to Breathe" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:34:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni to the letter > Anyway, the letter that HAS to be Joni's letter is > the same one that > rewards all of us for > doing our best - "A" (although I don't think she'd > want to wear that letter > on her sweater Oh Bob, really! The letter "A" = Hester Pryne, scarlet woman/scarlet letter and all that. At best, this is the vowel to sum up "The Magdalene Laundries" - -- but Joni's whole career? Sorry, just can't go there. And while I love "R", seeing as it's one of my initials and all, the only obvious choice is "Y" -- not only is it a homophone for the eternal question that Joni's been contemplating her whole life, it can also be used as a consonant or a vowel -- what better way to sum up Our Lady of Duality! :-0))))))) Don Rowe (who never in his wildest dreams figured THIS would become one of those "gawdaful arguments ...") _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:49:03 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Thoughts on PWWAM video Dodging the cobwebs in this old gray matter of mine .... I was thinking: Remember when a bunch of us were wondering if Joni was going to do (or hoping she would do) a VH1 Storrytellers or Behind the Scenes? Well, did Joni do the PWWAM as an alternative to the VH1 shows? Had VH1 asked her previously? I thought she may have done PWWAM as a response to a VH1 prodding her. I thought this knowing how Joni feels about the music 'business' and her feelings about 'royalty pennies'. Any shared thoughts on this? Heather ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:58:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gerald Notaro (LIB)" Subject: Re: Thoughts on PWWAM video The PWWAM was recorded long before the request for the VH1 special. Jerry On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Heather Galli wrote: > Dodging the cobwebs in this old gray matter of mine .... I was thinking: > > Remember when a bunch of us were wondering if Joni was going to do (or > hoping she would do) a VH1 Storrytellers or Behind the Scenes? Well, did > Joni do the PWWAM as an alternative to the VH1 shows? Had VH1 asked her > previously? I thought she may have done PWWAM as a response to a VH1 > prodding her. I thought this knowing how Joni feels about the music > 'business' and her feelings about 'royalty pennies'. Any shared thoughts > on this? > > Heather > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:57:49 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Disney In a message dated 8/18/99 11:47:56 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com writes: > Besides, Marcel started it with his "STAS is Alice In Wonderland" comment! > And don't say you were talking about the book Marcel, because the book was > called "Alice Through The Looking Glass"... > (Although I don't think Disney came up with the revised title; can any of > our librarians out there assist?) Well, I'm not a librarian but according to my rabid reader, Meredith, the original was indeed called Alice In Wonderland. Alice Through The Looking Glass was a sort of sequel. Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:18:16 -0400 From: Bob.Muller@fluordaniel.com Subject: Re: Joni to the letter Don corrected my spelling: <> First of all Don, you need to hit the gym - that's a lot of chins you're getting there! :~) Perhaps "A" better idea would "B" to realize that there is much more to Joni than we can "C". Her "D"-lightful music is "E"asy to listen to "F" one has an open mind. "G", it makes my heart "H" when "I" get involved in a gawdawful argument like this. It certainly doesn't make my "J", so enough, O"K"? What the "L"!! I "M" content to debate the issue "N" this way, alth"O" maybe I should just mind my "P"'s and "Q"'s. "R" you understanding what it "S" I am saying? Don't "T" off on me or anything, I know "U" wouldn't, let's just let the conversation "V" off and try to "W" pleasure by looking at how "X"citing Joni's music can be. "Y" settle on one letter after all? Her work is far too complex, as anyone can "Z"... Bob NP: REM (appropriate letter band) "Find The River" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:22:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Joni to the letter >Her "D"-lightful music is > "E"asy to listen to "F" one > has an open mind. "G", it makes my heart "H" when > "I" get involved in a > gawdawful argument like this. It certainly doesn't > make my "J", so enough, > O"K"? > Proclaimed, henceforth he shall be known as "The Artist Formerly Known As Bob" ... 4whutitzWRTH!! ;-) Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:26:48 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Essra Mohawk I had not heard of her. Her bio says "Joni Mitchell's song "Woodstock" was inspired by Essra's words and music (!?!?!?!) She also says David Crosby's "Deja Vu" was inspired by her song "I Have Been Here Before" which he asked her to play for him many times. Frank Zappa was impressed with her musicianship and she became the first female in his band. For those on this list, the "Woodstock" claim (unexplained as it is) might be a little hard to fathom. Anyone ever heard a reference to this? She says she is working on an autobiography, also has a new CD. RR total_sco@my-deja.com wrote: > Anybody here familiar with Essra? She's a singer-songwriter who had quite a bit of influence on Joni's music and lyrics "back in the Woodstock days" --- > > http://www.rockersusa.com/EssraMohawk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:55:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Former Lady Of Duality - --- Jim L'Hommedieu asks: > Is life becoming clearer as she (Joni) embraces her cats > and the comfort of her > own home? Does the Road no longer > hold-her/set-her-free as it did in > the 1980's? > I don't think Joni's quite through 'sleeping on the strange pillow of her wanderlust' yet. The inclusion of "Amelia", "Hejira", "Harry's House" and "Don Juan's Reckless Daughter" on the recent concert tour indicate, at least to me, that she's still romantically involved with the road. I'll certainly agree that TTT is her most "domestic" effort -- but "Man From Mars" is sung with a knowing and melancholy for travel ... "this time you went too far". Not that this is anywhere near the open confession of lines like "I'm porous with travel fever", or even "I love the man beside me/We love the open road". But nonetheless, I think it's still there as an undercurrent, if no longer a prominent feature in her creative landscape. Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:04:43 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Lead Balloon - Taming .... From: "Wingnut" Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:38:10 +0100 In Lead Balloon the line "sic her Rover" has yet to make sense to me. = Can anyone help? What is SIC? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:28:57 -0700 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: Lead Balloon - Taming .... "Wingnut" wrote: <<>> This is an American expression commanding a dog to attack something or someone. - --Michael NP: Mary J. Blige, _Mary_ - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:17:06 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Lead Balloon - Taming .... mwyarbro@zzapp.org wrote: > "Wingnut" wrote: > > << to me. = Can anyone help? What is SIC?>>> > > This is an American expression commanding a dog to attack something > or someone. I think it might be a British one too as we use it here. Wd also use the word in brackets after another word or phrase that we know to be a mistake. > > > --Michael > > NP: Mary J. Blige, _Mary_ > > ----- > Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) > The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:47:25 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni to the letter > PS: I hope y'all know that all this is submitted with tongue firmly > implanted in cheek... > > Bob > > > I was wondering how long it would take before you got those cheek implants, Bob ;-) Mark in Seattle 'The tongues Of some men Are made of Silence.... And your eyes will listen!' - -Grace Slick ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:03:11 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Joni to the letter > > Anyway, the letter that HAS to be Joni's letter is > > the same one that > > rewards all of us for > > doing our best - "A" (although I don't think she'd > > want to wear that letter > > on her sweater > And while I love "R", seeing as it's one of my > initials and all, the only obvious choice is "Y" -- > not only is it a homophone for the eternal question > that Joni's been contemplating her whole life, it can > also be used as a consonant or a vowel -- what better > way to sum up Our Lady of Duality! :-0))))))) You're all wrong! It should be the letter 'Z' because Joni is the sum total and the living end! (maybe that should have been Omega?) Amen, Brothers & Sisters! Mark the Heretic ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:18:47 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Former Lady Of Duality > Intro/Summary Sentence: Joni's early albums were full of duality but > TTT is full of single-vision lyrics. > > In Joni's early albums, she's Our Lady of Duality. Key example is "THe > Last Time I Saw Richard". > "You sing of love so sweet > When ya' gonna get your self > back on your feet?" > I don't think she's lost her edge as 'Our Lady of Duality'. 'Love Puts on a New Face' is evidence of that. In the first verse she is content and happy with 'the lap of the lake and the fire light' whereas in the second she's 'up to my neck in alligators, jaws gnashing at me'. Only now maybe we should call her 'Our Lady of Plurality'. Instead of looking at both sides, now she is seeing love as having *many* faces. > In TTT's Harlem In Havana, she's singing more about one topic: Getting > away with kicking up her kick pleat skirt, having fun. > > Is life becoming clearer as she embraces her cats and the comfort of her > own home? Does the Road no longer hold-her/set-her-free as it did in > the 1980's? Yes and no, I think. The title track and 'Lead Balloon' show that her livelihood is still a source of irritation and worry to her. And in 'No Apology' she's still showing that 'Dog Eat Dog' political edge. As far as 'The Road' is concerned, she really doesn't refer to it in this record but I don't think that necessarily means that it doesn't still hold a fascination for her. But overall, I think Joni has found some peace in her life and it comes across in TTT. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:55:26 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Lead Balloon - Taming .... In a message dated 8/18/99 8:49:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << Wd {sic} also use the word in brackets after another word or phrase that we know to be a mistake. >> As WE do here, but this is clearly not the intended usage in Joni's context. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:47:53 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: Happy Birthday Baby!!! Hey Kakki- (who should be dressing up in her tat and satin, right now as I speak, to head off to House of Blues LA for Little Feat/Neville Brothers show) Hope you have a bitchin Birthday and I raise my martini glass to you (facing west that is) and hope we will have a few in New England and celebrate your birthday then. Enjoy the show. Rock on, Michael NP-Do Something-Macy Gray (this woman rocks oh my gawd what grooves what a voice) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:58:43 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Happy Birthday Baby!!! > Hey Kakki- (who should be dressing up in her tat and satin, right now as > I speak, to head off to House of Blues LA for Little Feat/Neville > Brothers show) > Hope you have a bitchin Birthday and I raise my martini glass to you > (facing west that is) and hope we will have a few in New England and > celebrate your birthday then. Enjoy the show. Happy Birthday, Kakki! Party on, girl! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:01:19 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Disney In a message dated 99-08-18 12:43:45 EDT, RPBell3@newchurch.edu writes: << Besides, Marcel started it with his "STAS is Alice In Wonderland" comment! And don't say you were talking about the book Marcel, because the book was called "Alice Through The Looking Glass"... (Although I don't think Disney came up with the revised title; can any of >> < Actually I meant NO Disney reference at all merely the analogy of the proper girl in a wonderous place, New York in the early-mid folk sceen in the Village 60's. Im not sure who was the Cheshire cat but Joni was definitely Alice back then. Ill have to watch my metaphores around and about this cafe. Marcel Deste ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #157 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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