From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #144 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Friday, August 6 1999 Volume 01 : Number 144 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- JAZZ TAKES...reviewed in JAZZ TIMES (Sept. issue) [Dflahm@aol.com] Re: Joni one-liners [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: joni and her tunings ["P. Henry" ] Re: first post - a question [lisa durfee ] Re: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #143 ["Daniel F. Carey" ] Re: joni and her tunings ["P. Henry" ] Re: The Magdalene Laundries, my take ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: joni and her tunings ["Helen M. Adcock" ] Re: Joni one-liners (Hejira) [Bolvangar@aol.com] Challenge [Leslie Mixon ] People who like Joni [evian ] Re: joni and her tunings ["P. Henry" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:33:37 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: JAZZ TAKES...reviewed in JAZZ TIMES (Sept. issue) May I brag a little? This is a major pub (costs $4.95) and the reviewer had only positive things to say; the exact reaction I was hoping for through all my work on it. Especially nice is the opening: "In a reverent and adventurous tribute to one of our greatest modern songwriters..." (The only questionable words are "one of" IMO.) And it looks like there will be another Lahm CD on Arkadia Jazz, at least half of which will be songs by Joni Mitchell. Choosing the material has been a real adventure, because I thought I had already skimmed off the cream of the repertoire that was suitable for jazz instrumentals. Happily.....I was wrong. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:40:06 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni one-liners This is an unfair thread. Joni has so many lines its ridiculous. From Nathan La freneer: "I hired a coach to take me from confusion to the plane" From dawntreader: "Mermaids live in colonies" Fort some reason these lines have always struck me as thought provoking in that they stopped me in mid thought. The meermaid line is innocuous but I said to myself "i didnt know that" until I thought "How did SHE know that". Thats genius and Thats why we love her, for doing that to us. marcel deste/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 20:43:49 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: joni and her tunings Pat Henry wrote: >> ie: Kakki, it just ain't so!!! *S* and Kakki responded: >I knew that, but even with all the evidence, it was impossible to convince my musician friend who idolizes Croz! I am more inclined to believe that Joni influenced him rather than that he showed her the way. She has had a tremendous influence on so many. Crosby's desire to experiment with alternate tunings in the music is one of the reasons he parted ways with the Byrds in the late 60s. Good thing he stuck to his own vision and musical inclination - the result shortly thereafter was the fantastic first CSN album.> well, you sure can't blame anyone for loving the Croz! *S* actually, to be embarrassingly honest, I wasn't aware of David's extensive use of tunings until I joined this list... and it explains a lot as to how he gets such interesting, beautiful sounds. I don't know if they are but I can easily hear my two favorites, Triad and Lee Shore, being played in tunings. also, after I posted I gave this subject some more thought, keying on your original post and the phrase 'alternate' tunings'... and it occured to me that, as far as Joni is concerned, there are 'alternate' tunings and then there are ALTERNATE tunings! I recall a handwritten setlist I found which she'd apparently left in the dressing room one time... ('67) each song had a simple capital letter next to it to indicate the tuning... E... G... A... D... the only exception was 'D modal'. to my knowledge there was no 'kitchen sink' or 'california' tuning at that time... *those* 'alternate' tunings came later sometime, so maybe....? pat NP: Black Crow http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 23:47:00 -0400 From: lisa durfee Subject: Re: first post - a question Brian Gross wrote: > SMEBD@AOL.COM writes: > >.......... if you live in NYC or ever visit, you can go to THE MUSEUM OF > > BROADCASTING and watch Joni's appearances ........ > > All right, New Yorkers - > can you give us 'outsiders' some info on this heretofor unheard of place? > > Thanks, > > Brian Its on 52rd Between Fifth and 6th, about a 1 minute walk from MOMA. I think it is officially the Museum of Radio & Television now. . They have thousands of hours of radio and television recordings in their library/archives. http://www.mtr.org/welcome.htm liså D ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:13:57 -0400 From: "Daniel F. Carey" Subject: Re: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #143 Interesting discussion about the various ways people have gotten "into" JM and where they are now... it's a windy road, no? I started way back at the beginning with the very first vinyl - kind of peaked with Blue - got lost for a long time when I was into other things - and stuff that wasn't real accessible (IMHO) came out (like Mingus) and then came screaming back to the fold with Chalk Mark... I carried that with me on a long Appalachian Trail hike one summer (on a cassette b/w Mary Black's By the Time It Gets Dark). I would lay in the woods at night and stare up through the trees into the night sky and just marvel at the beauty of it all. [Spent a LOT of time in the late 60's trying to figure out her open tunings and such - actually learned a lot of the early songs. Chelsea Morning - done in open G - was (is!) a big favorite. I still have a copy of her first songbook- the one with the yellow cover. Kinda beatup, but the songs play just as good.] Then I got into the net around 92 or so - and found Wally's site - just after it moved from the Well - and got some sense of perspective on the breadth of her body or work, so to speak. Somewhere in there, too, she was on Leno (I think) and did Sex Kills - which seemed like an odd choice for mainstream TV - but that's Joni!! In fact, the initial impetus that got me into the net to start with was a friend telling me about OLGA - that I HAD to do... back before www, when it was all ftp and such. Had an Apple II and a 1600 baud modem... slower than sin, but it got you to the music. Just subscribed to the list a short while ago - have been reading the digest occasionally. Read the whole thing tonight. Good talk. Looking forward to more. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Daniel F. Carey home:(814) 745-2956| My candle burns at both ends; Redbank High School work:(814) 275-2424| It will not last the night; 910 Broad St. | But ah, my foes, and oh, my friends - New Bethlehem, PA 16242 | It gives a lovely light. mailto:redbank@clarion-net.com | -- Edna St. Vincent Millay "The Macintosh may only have 10% of the market, but it is clearly the top 10%." Douglas Adams, 1996 WWDC. Fans of high school wrestling! Get all the news on District IX wrestling at: http://members.tripod.com/~DC707 and link to the PA Wrestling Page, etc. WARNING: The Surgeon General has determined that whatever you have in mind is bad for you ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 21:33:08 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: joni and her tunings Siresorrow wrote: >perhaps a more important question than who inspired whom with the alternative tunings is who did more with the alternative tunings and i know we all will agree on that issue. the post earlier on the chinese cafe was so nice. it made it clear to me what power joni had on the guitar and the word combined to make not just music, but jazzy music that reaches deep down inside...> along this some line, (*beautiful* post btw) and speaking of earlier posts, as randy remarked if you are interested in alternate tunings you really *must* check out Hawaiian slack key guitar style... I have lived out here in the islands (Guam) roughly half of my life and have heard some of the best slack key guitar there is live many times as I have many island musician friends form Hawaii. most of them will tell you that the grandaddy of slack key is a fellow named Gabby Pahinui (featured here: http://www.guitarplayer.com/archive/lessons/slackkey.htm if your really want to hear someone 'doing more with tunings', go here: http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=609650923/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/ArtistID=PAHINUI*CYRIL/DDCN=SD-8022+38010+2 and give a listen to the three instrumental selections done by Gabby's son, Cyril... just beautiful!!! pat NP: Cowgirl In The Sand - N. Young http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/a/d/badwolff.html Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:54:32 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: The Magdalene Laundries, my take Stephen wrote: >"20/20" did a piece on The Magdalene Laundries earlier this year (they didn't >use Joni's song and it was a shame, because after viewing this piece, you >could feel how Joni truly captured the entire historical experience in her >words and music). Their report gave the impression (and they interviewed >women who had been sent to the Sisters) that young women didn't have any >rights or freedoms and could be sent against their will for no reason at all >(other than the fact that "those in charge" disapproved of them). That episode of 20/20 screened in NZ recently, and since hearing the song, I made a point of watching. It was incredible seeing the emotions of the two women they took back through the old (abandoned) buildings. One of them couldn't even bring herself to get within 20 feet, she was so upset by the whole thing. It kind of added to the meaning of the song. Helen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:57:40 +1200 From: "Helen M. Adcock" Subject: Re: joni and her tunings >Pat Henry wrote: > >> Mr. Crosby himself states that he met Joni in *1967* for the first time > http://www.jonimitchell.com/jonihome.html#IV ) and I can personally verify >that she had a rather large setlist of original songs, all written in open >tunings quite early in 1966 and, I would venture that lister Cul Heath, who >has known Joni longer than any of us, to my knowledge, could probably date >her usage of tunings back to '65, two years before she met David. >> >> ie: Kakki, it just ain't so!!! *S* Kakki wrote: >I knew that, but even with all the evidence, it was impossible to convince >my musician friend who idolizes Croz! I am more inclined to believe that >Joni influenced him rather than that he showed her the way. She has had a >tremendous influence on so many. Crosby's desire to experiment with >alternate tunings in the music is one of the reasons he parted ways with the >Byrds in the late 60s. Good thing he stuck to his own vision and musical >inclination - the result shortly thereafter was the fantastic first CSN >album. I happened to see a copy of Rolling Stone today, with an article on guitar players, and who they were "inspired" by. Joni had a brief appearance (it wasn't my copy, so I couldn't bring it home) but she mentioned that she was frustrated by standard tunings and Eric Anderson had showed her banjo tunings, which she then adapted for the guitar, which a few people were starting to do at that time (it didn't say exactly when). Sorry I can't remember more, but I'll try and get hold of the magazine and transribe the whole thing. Helen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 02:05:50 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni one-liners (Hejira) I was inspired to try this by Gina's Hejira one-liners, because I realized that I'd pick such different ones. Here are mine (song titles unnecessary, eh?): I tried to run away myself, to run away and wrestle with my ego And I slept on the strange pillows of my wanderlust Why should I expect that old guy to give to me true? We got high on travel/and we got drunk on alcohol And on love, the strongest poison and medicine of all (OK, I agree with Gina on that one) Each so deep and superficial between the forceps and the stone A woman I knew just drowned herself The well was deep and muddy I looked at the morning after being up all night I looked at my haggard face in the bathroom light You lay down your sneakin' round the town, honey, and I'll lay down the highway Westbound and rolling taking refuge in the roads. - --David NP: Moby, _Play_ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 23:35:25 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: Challenge Difference between Refuge of the Roads and Come In From The Cold - does Joni play electric guitar on Refuge and acoustic guitar on Come In... Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 00:19:26 -0600 From: evian Subject: People who like Joni I accidently deleted the digest after I copied this, so I think Bob might have said: > What about TI, Brett? It's recent, it's brilliant, and you can > even throw in the Grammy mention... > > Well, I for one would probably not have discovered Joni's brilliance through TI. I don't know why, but this one took forever and a day to grow on me. It was just too... heavy maybe? Not that I don't love it now, but it really depressed the hell out of me at first, and I spent the first month or so just listening to How do you Stop and the title track over and over. For indoctrination purposes, I suggest Blue and C&S as well as NRH. Once we hook 'em with those, then we can bring out the HOSL and DJRD! Evian np: Twitch -- Ministry p.s. Brett, sorry I missed you in Calgary, but my fuel pump decided to die in Lacombe, the armpit of Alberta, and I had to spend a glorious night there, and ended up leaving a whole ton of cash at the garage, hotel, and liquor store. Anyway, the trip got shortened considerably! However, off for Edmonton again tomorrow for the weekend... whoo hooo! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 23:39:27 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Re: joni and her tunings Helen wrote: >...guitar players, and who they were "inspired" by. Joni... mentioned that she was frustrated by standard tunings and Eric Anderson had showed her banjo tunings, which she then adapted for the guitar...> thanks helen. this makes sense as Eric was one of the people she knew well back then and, (I think) unlike ukelele, tenor guitar and some other 'tuned' instruments, alternate tunings is part and parcel of banjo playing. pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #144 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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