From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #138 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, August 1 1999 Volume 01 : Number 138 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- JMDL Cookbook - LAST CHANCE! [Marian Russell ] a repost explained ["Chuck EIsenhardt" ] VH1-100 (Joni content) [Westcoat98@aol.com] Re: UK meet [AzeemAK@aol.com] Top ten Countdown...Joni at 5 [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Hejira Samba! [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Women of Rock [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Women of Rock [CaTGirl627@aol.com] New guy, some JC [ThomasEL@aol.com] Re: Hejira Samba! [Bolvangar@aol.com] bryan thomas (vljc) ["patrick leader" ] Re: Top ten Countdown...Joni at 5 [raven@igc.org] Re: bryan thomas (vljc) ["Kakki" ] Re: Top ten Countdown...Joni at 5 [TerryM2442@aol.com] Nashville NAMM show [pattihaskins@mindspring.com] Re: Women of Rock [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Top ten Countdown...Joni at 5 [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Joni& Co. [catman ] Vh1 Countdown [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: Vh1 Countdown [Mark Domyancich ] Re: Woodstock &amp; the 1960s & Joni 'complete works' ["John Low" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 09:57:45 +0200 From: Marian Russell Subject: JMDL Cookbook - LAST CHANCE! If you missed out on contributing to the cookbook, this is your LAST CHANCE to do so! Don't make it a last chance lost! We tried to send it to Joni, but since she wasn't home (probably out galavanting around with Kilauren and Don in Toronto), UPS returned it to us. I felt bad that some of the newbies weren't included, so I am opening it up one last time for contributions. You have two weeks from now to get it to me. Now is approximately 9:40 a.m. Central European Daylight Time on 31 July 1999. I really have to be heartless about this. If you don't meet this deadline I cannot include you. I want to finish this project before the Jonifest. If you want to contribute, send me one or two or three recipes WITH JONIFIED TITLES *AND* a bio along the lines of those which you can see at : http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/jmdlbios.htm http://www.jmdl.com/guitar/marian/jmdlbios1.htm Following is a list of the recipe titles so far: Amelia's Alarming Tuscan Bean Soup Amour, Mama Tuna Nicoise Annie Bakes Her Cakes And Her Vanocka Apple Crisp Is The Best Facelift Avez Vous Un Alumette Vinaigrette Baby You're So Square Tomato-Basil Squares Back To The Garden Tofu Almond Cheese Spread Barangrill Spicy Cocktail Onions Big Bird Draggin’ His Tail In The Dust Southern Cornbread Dressing Bistro On The Left Bank Tomato Quiche Botticelli’s Terra Cotta Town Tiramisu Breakfast Barney’s Bran Muffins By The Steamy Kitchen Window Peach Slice Cactus Tea: Radiation Rose and Yellow Afternoon California d'Este Avocado Wonder Canyon Lady Granola Chicken Squawkin’ Chinese Café Sizzled Chili Shrimp Cokes And Chocolate Bars: Marlin's Makin' Mud Come In From The Cold Caesar Salad Come To The Dinner Gong Fish Stew Court And Spark Salad Dressing Coyote And Swiss Bake Dancin’ Clown Herb-Roasted Chicken With Baked Shallots Dancin’ Fools Garlic And Apple Pie Dave’s Sinful Oiled And Shining Chicken Stir-Fry Dawntreader Sweet Potato Medallions Dog Eat Dog Barbecue Marinade Don Rowe's Reckless Guacamole Donkey Vendors Slicing Coconut Pie Don’t Interrupt Rissotto Down The Dark Batter Brownies Down To The Seaside Salad Down ToFu Loaf Dreamin’ On Our Dimes Chopstick Rice Casserole Edifying Fire Spaghetti Fatted Flake Filo Appetizers French Onion Soup In English Georgia Peach O'Keeffe Ice Cream Castles Ice Cream Gilded Galleons Clam And Tuna Pate God Must Be A Cookie Monster Peanut Butter Cookies Golden In Time Garlic Bread Grama's Rainy Night House Ginger Cookies Grandma Mollie's Authentic Jewish Paprika Plains Chicken Happiness Is The Best Face Masque Hits And Misses Quesadilla Hot Hot Blazes Cape Malay Curry With Dhai Impossible Dreamer Chocolate Fudge Impress Me When You Don’t Try Pie Crust Irish Fight Before You Think Soda Bread It Stays Pretty Green Spinach Mornay Julie Z. Webb's 15 Minute Home-Made Pagliacci Pasta Sauce Katie’s All I Want Chocolate Chip Cookies To Die For Leadfoot Melvin's Hotwired French Toast Linguini With Crown And Anchor Me White Clam Sauce Little Bit Of Instant Bliss Pineapple Sweet Potato Bake Little Green Spinach Casserole Love Is Precious! Parker House Rolls Man From Mars Bars Man To Man Chauvinistic Bachelor Slob Spaghetti Mingus Mulligatawny Soup Morning Morgantown Baked Apple Pancake Otis And Marlena Venetian Liver With Onions Out Of The Fire And Still Smouldering Lamb Stir-Fry Oyster Facelift Casserole People's Parties Chafing-Dish Turkeyballs Poppy Poison Punch Pork Pie Hat Bar Medallions With Maple-Vinegar Sauce Red Is Autumn, Green Is Summer 20-Minute Tabouli Salad (Reduced To) Zero Salad Dressing Roman Candle-Glow Ricotta Cheese Cake Romeo, Romeo Lasagna al Pesto Savory Sauce To Aging Children Come Shades Of Scarlett Oven Roasted Red Peppers With Tomato And Garlic Shiny Hot Nights Green Chili Enchiladas Sisotowbell Scalloped Potatoes With Cheese And Herbs Smokin' Shrimp Stuffed Trout South Of The Borderline Pie Spaghetti Wires In The Walls Carbonara Sparkle Dark Chocolate Blast Strange Boy Pizza Sweet Bird Chicken And Artichoke Heart Pasta Sweet Sucker Korean Salad Sweet Tumbleweed Chicken Veggie Packet The Beat Of Black Beans The Mermaid Cafe's Famous Pan-Poached Salmon With Spring Vegetables The Silky Veils Of Ardor Seafood Tacos The Wind Is In From Africa And We're Eating Moroccan Orange-Nut Salad They Come Rollin’, Rollin’ Sugar Cookies. Tuck Your Napkins In And Take Your Share Of Pasta Primevara Twins Of Spirit Sausage And Lentils West Bound And Rollin’ Corn Bread Chicken You Dream Flake Cake You Know I've Been To Sea Before Shrimp Al Vino Bianco You Won’t Taste It And Toss It Soup You’re So Squares Don't wait until the last minute! Do it today! Do it now! Marian Vienna ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 08:54:06 -0400 From: "Chuck EIsenhardt" Subject: a repost explained Hello Rangoon! Part of a message of mine to the Fest99 list was reposted today to the large JmdL. That's OK, but allow me to explain what turned so cryptic in the process. It's a bit of a story... One of the more interesting individuals who submitted music to Tape Tree #4 was Byran Thomas, who lives in upstate NY and gigs that area down to NYC and occasionally, like on Aug 26, in Cambridge. On TT#4 he did an amazing and very personalized 'Black Crow' and also an original called 'Joni's Daughter', which he in fact wrote *before the reunion*. He showed up at last year's New England Fest in Topsfield and blew us all away with his music. Am I promoting him **you bet** He's amazing. He just released a CD a few months ago called 'Radio Plastic Jennifer' and I think it's grand. I think you can hear samples at CDBaby.com which is distributing, altho Les' guys may also have it. It's hard to categorize..it's all Bry alone, beat driven, great voice, great guitars, thoughtful, inventive writing. It reveals itself a bit slowly, like Herself. There's a lot here. While not actively a list member, he is after all in "The Gallery" and he gives props to the JmdL on the liner notes. He also quotes Joni in the title track: I'm a country station, I'm a little bit corny, I'm a hip-hop station, I'm a little but horny. I think we'll be able to say we knew him 'when'... Chuck E ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 10:39:19 EDT From: Westcoat98@aol.com Subject: VH1-100 (Joni content) Greetings to the Choir. First of all, I commend VH1 for getting Joni Mitchell to the top five. Next, I congratulate them for getting good comments from a wide variety of musicians, (Mellencamp's comments were God-like!! Thank you, John). Now, I'd like to go on the record as being totally pissed that the only clips and photos shown of JM were from the Laurel Canyon period, with one little moment from a live performance of "Help Me".....that showed Joni only, no shot of the band. For someone seeing JM for the first time, the picture was so much less than an accurate "snapshot" of her career. For big-time followers like me, there was the beauty of the scene playing dulcimer, which I hadn't seen before, but this tidbit should have been wedged in among clips of the entire span of JM's career. The segments of Bonnie Raitt and Chrissie Hynde showed both of them early-on in their careers, flashed photos and clips of various periods, and then ran clips of them FRONTING BANDS. Where the hell was similar footage of Ms. Mitchell??? No Pat Metheny, Jaco Pastorius, LA Express, and certainly not anything of Klein, Blade or the 80's/90's backing bands. Not even five seconds from the Leno/Letterman appearances of the last few years. Don't get me wrong, I didn't want to see the BANDS, I wanted people to see Joni Mitchell leading strong, talented male musicians through her body of work, over a long period of time. Call me a dreamer. The clips were beautiful (as she is), but all from about a 3 or 4-year period of time, and I feel slighted on her behalf. All-in-all, I thought VH1 did well with this series. I enjoyed all of the hosts, arrangement of segments, variety of women covered, etc. I'd just like to have 5 minutes with the guy or gal who put together the JM presentation. In a closed room. I'm headed to the VH1 home page to send some feedback. Everyone enjoy what's left of summer break..... Terry Reid ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 10:59:55 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: UK meet In a message dated 30/07/99 13:59:47 GMT Daylight Time, catman@ethericcats.demon.co.uk writes: << Okay it seems most perople taht have responded can do the August Bank Holiday. I thinkt he Sat or sun would be best. If you wish to come please reply to this email. >> Count me in Colin. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 11:43:31 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Top ten Countdown...Joni at 5 I watched the VH-1 program just to see Joni. all that waiting to hear 2 mins of her and most of it was that sampling version of Big Yellow Taxi...YIKES! I was talking to my husband about the whole thing and how much of a joke it was. I mean Joni for obvious reasons should have been number one. Can you think of any other female musician that *INVENTED* her own tunings for the guitar? IMHO, I think Joni is one of the most underated musicians of all time! I will say one thing though, I do like John Cougar Mellencamp just a tiny bit more. He did say that she was the best female musician of all time! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 11:46:47 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Hejira Samba! In a message dated 7/30/1999 10:00:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, RMuRocks@aol.com writes: << My question is, what is this an excerpt from? If this whole show exists on recording, can anybody step up and offer to share it with me/others? This version of Hejira is so exciting but it makes me hungry for more. A thousand blessing to whoever can help out with this one! Bob >> This sounds very interesting indeed! Well, anyone out there was fess up? I would love to start a tree on this! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 11:59:53 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Women of Rock In a message dated 7/30/1999 2:49:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, RPBell3@newchurch.edu writes: << I thought about this and I imagine its because Joni doesn't often have anything terribly nice to say about anyone else. She IS kind of critical, and goes by the Cindy Brady epithet :"I just tell it like it is." Heavy lies the head that wears the crown... >> I think Joni probably was not around now that she has a granddaughter to dote over. I feel that Joni respects certain other female performers. I don't think she didn't want to I just think she is busy being a *mom* for the first time...YEA! Joni! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:04:46 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Women of Rock In a message dated 7/30/1999 3:49:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Gallih@ccsu.edu writes: << I know this has been mentioned before .... Joni having a difficult time saying anything nice about women performers she has obviously influenced. But,(now listen up Joni) TIMES CHANGE ... you ARE being recognized now! Look at the recent celebration in Central Park for you! Some people are slowly waking up to Joni's remarkable talent. Joni should embrace this change. On yet another note: Someone mentioned earlier about Larry Klein producing Tracy Chapman's work ... did this burn Joni's ass? In a way, did Joni feel that Larry "cheated" on her? >> After looking at Tracy Chapman's first LP from 1988 it was not Klein, it was a guy named David Kershenbaum. However, he did produce Shawns first albums which had me thinking she created the break up of Joni and Klein but now I know better. I think that Joni is too busy to be given little one liners about fellow musicians...you know life is short and she now has a family with little ones! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 14:29:11 EDT From: ThomasEL@aol.com Subject: New guy, some JC Greetings, this is my first post. I have been "lurking" for a couple of weeks. I am unable to adequately describe my joy at finding this group. I have listened to Joni for over two decades and I thought I was essentially alone in my feelings for her work. The respect, serious discussion and humor you all exhibit is extraordinary. C&S was my first Joni album. My college roomates put up with my strange musical tastes mainly because it was my stereo. I have attempted over the past weeks to identify my "favorite" Joni album or song. It is an impossible task. I don't find myself always agreeing with Joni's agendas but more than an other artist I feel her emotions in her songs. Coyote, Free Man in Paris and many others have significance in my life. In some I have not so much experienced an emotional tie but rather a visual image. Paprika Plains has always elicited a strong late fall image in my minds eye. I look forward to learning more about all of you and injecting my opinions occasionally. Tom in Nebraska. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 14:56:03 EDT From: Bolvangar@aol.com Subject: Re: Hejira Samba! Bob M. wrote: <<...this incredible jazzed-up version of Hejira. I mean, this band is jamming! Joni is jazz singing the song and doing jazz vocal trade-offs with another singer, there is wonderful percussion and jazz piano, sizzling sax (I assume that's Shorter), but the whole ensemble is cooking this tune with a Salsa/Samba kind of beat! [snip] My question is, what is this an excerpt from?>> As others have said, it was included on the video trees (says it's from "VH1 Coast to Coast"), and the other singer is Bobby McFerrin. I believe Bobby McFerrin can be a good performer, but on this particular performance, whenever I watch it, I can only think, what on earth does he think he's doing? I think he's so musically out of sync with the rest of them here, it's hilariously funny. Other than that the song just blows me away. The Latin-jazz sound and the instrumentation here has always reminded me of Sting's first solo albums (Dream of the Blue Turtles and ...Nothing Like the Sun). - --David NP: June Tabor, _Abyssinians_ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 16:01:49 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: bryan thomas (vljc) i'm glad to see chuck giving a plug for bryan. i'm ccing this to bry-bry to put a little pressure on. "please come to topsfield, in the summertime..." and bring cyndi, too. kay ashley and i saw him live in ny on april 15th. here's a link to a review on his website (which is very well done, btw) it also includes a post i wrote after the show. i bought the cd that night (for a ridiculously low $10) and it has stayed in play all summer. for you guitar junkies, he's very rhythmic, a la ani difranco, but (i believe) uses various open tunings. http://www.bryanthomas.com/live/1999/990415fort.html he also posted a comment i wrote privately to him (i was glad). i sound pretentious and passionate, which is certainly vintage patrick. "you've constructed an amazing whole... full of wonderful dialogs, between songs, between ideas suggested by songs, between influences, between voices in songs (bry-bry sings with bry-bry)." what the fu!!? anyway, he is performing in ny, same venue (the fort at sidewalk, 6th st and ave a) on august 17th, 8pm, it's free, a few of us manhattaners will be there. join us. patrick np - ann dudley - ancient and modern >Hello Rangoon! > >Part of a message of mine to the Fest99 list was reposted today to >the large >JmdL. That's OK, but allow me to explain what turned so cryptic in the >process. >It's a bit of a story... > >One of the more interesting individuals who submitted music to Tape Tree #4 >was Byran Thomas, who lives in upstate NY and gigs that area down >to NYC and >occasionally, like on Aug 26, in Cambridge. On TT#4 he did an amazing and >very >personalized 'Black Crow' and also an original called 'Joni's Daughter', >which he in fact wrote *before the reunion*. He showed up at last >year's New >England Fest in Topsfield and blew us all away with his music. > >Am I promoting him **you bet** He's amazing. He just released a CD a few >months >ago called 'Radio Plastic Jennifer' and I think it's grand. I think you can >hear samples >at CDBaby.com which is distributing, altho Les' guys may also have it. > >It's hard to categorize..it's all Bry alone, beat driven, great voice, >great guitars, >thoughtful, inventive writing. It reveals itself a bit slowly, >like Herself. >There's a lot here. > >While not actively a list member, he is after all in "The Gallery" and he >gives props >to the JmdL on the liner notes. He also quotes Joni in the title track: > >I'm a country station, >I'm a little bit corny, >I'm a hip-hop station, >I'm a little but horny. > >I think we'll be able to say we knew him 'when'... > >Chuck E ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:11:30 -0700 From: raven@igc.org Subject: Re: Top ten Countdown...Joni at 5 At 11:43 AM 7/31/99 EDT, CaTGirl627@aol.com wrote: >Can you think of any other female musician that *INVENTED* >her own tunings for the guitar? Invented their own tunings? Besides Joni? Probably dozens... although I suspect most alternate tunings 'invented' by a musician have also been 'invented' by others. As for crediting a musician with having 'invented' a tuning, many musicians credit (to name two fairly well-known artists) both Ani DiFranco and Jonatha Brooke for tunings which appear to have been 'invented' by them, and some of the tunings used by Patty Larkin are often described as 'hers'. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:53:31 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: bryan thomas (vljc) Patrick wrote: > i'm glad to see chuck giving a plug for bryan. i'm ccing this to bry-bry to > put a little pressure on. "please come to topsfield, in the summertime..." > and bring cyndi, too. I'm singing in the choir. I came upon BT's website when I first joined the list and was immediately hooked and enchanted listening to the sound clips. > http://www.bryanthomas.com/live/1999/990415fort.html Bryan is way special. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 17:41:25 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: Top ten Countdown...Joni at 5 In a message dated 7/31/99 5:31:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, raven@igc.org writes: << many musicians credit (to name two fairly well-known artists) both Ani DiFranco and Jonatha Brooke for tunings which appear to have been 'invented' by them, >> ..and Bruce Cockburn... Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:30:01 -0500 From: pattihaskins@mindspring.com Subject: Nashville NAMM show Hi All, Finally back to normal here after having a great time last weekend at the NAMM show in Nashville. Stephen Stills was a no show at the Gretsch booth but Duane Eddy was there and my husband Mike, lead guitar player in an instrumental band that does a few of Duane's songs, was thrilled to talk to the man himself and get an autograph addressed to his band, The Big Guns. I was near the Yamaha booth when Steve Winwood was jamming on the new keyboard he indorses, got to hear him play "Can't Find My Way Home" solo and then he personally autographed pictures, courtesy of Yamaha, free to whoever wanted one, so of course I did. Really nice guy, too. There were free shows at night sponsored by manufacturers and we enjoyed the performances of Marty Stuart, Clarence Gatemouth Brown, Stanley Jordan, and Preston Reed to name a few. A bunch of really great pickers! One show had a player new to us named Tommy Emmanuel. He was a great showman as well as picker, really fun guy. Wandering around the convention center from booth to booth one could see all kinds famous and almost famous musicians jamming on various instruments. Sunday afternoon I happened to keep running into Stanley Jordan fingertapping and wanging from guitar to guitar, booth to booth. He's a phenomenal player. We spotted Rodney Crowell playing bass in the MusicMan booth. He was talking with another great guitar player, not so famous, Kenny Vaughn, who we saw play in Dallas with both Rodney and a few years later with Kim Richey, great writer and singer and player, and just recently he came off a tour with Lucinda Williams. Went to the Parker room several times, Michael Paz, and the people working there were always too busy to let me complain to them that of all the pictures of famous musicians that play Parker guitars hanging in their room, there was NO picture of Joni!!! The audacity of them. Went to check out the Roland VG thang in their room, but I got sidetracked into a long conversation with a guy from Liquid Audio that was hanging in the Roland room, they have some partnership going on with the 1680 recorder. Pretty interesting stuff at Roland, all in all. Also, discovered this new product, endorsed by Jimmy Page and Graham Nash, called The Performer. Its a self-tuning thing they install in any Gibson Les Paul or Fender Telecaster or other guitars possibly if you talk to them. It allows for not only self-tuning but alternative tunings by touching some buttons. Pretty wild. When I mentioned Joni and Parker and the VG thang, the guy we were talking to knew immediately what I was referring to and said that they were working with Parker also on something brand new along the Joni acoustic tunings line. Very interesting. We'll have to wait and see.That's all he'd tell us. Here's their web address www.selftuning.com and if anyone is interested that is web-challenged, email me off list and I'll copy the brochure I picked up and send to you. Well, I guess I've gone on long enough!!! Patti Haskins NP-the fan on the desk. Its still too damn hot in Texas ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:55:16 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Women of Rock In a message dated 7/31/1999 4:22:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CaTGirl627@aol.com writes: << After looking at Tracy Chapman's first LP from 1988 it was not Klein, it was a guy named David Kershenbaum. However, he did produce Shawns first album which had me thinking she created the break up of Joni and Klein but now I know better. I think that Joni is too busy to be given little one liners about fellow musicians...you know life is short and she now has a family with little ones! Catgirl >> Ok I looked again and Larry plays bass on the LP. He did not produce it but he WAS there! Cat ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 19:59:38 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Top ten Countdown...Joni at 5 In a message dated 7/31/1999 5:51:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, raven@igc.org writes: << >Can you think of any other female musician that *INVENTED* >her own tunings for the guitar? Invented their own tunings? Besides Joni? Probably dozens... although I suspect most alternate tunings 'invented' by a musician have also been 'invented' by others. As for crediting a musician with having 'invented' a tuning, many musicians credit (to name two fairly well-known artists) both Ani DiFranco and Jonatha Brooke for tunings which appear to have been 'invented' by them, and some of the tunings used by Patty Larkin are often described as 'hers'. >> Well I do beleive it was Ms. Mitchell who was the front runner here. Maybe these women were inspired the her. Cat.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 01:35:49 +0100 From: catman Subject: Joni& Co. saw the Brit tv program tonight. Most of it was not Joni! They showed: Joan Baez-I liked her having not really heard her before. john said she is like Joni only she sings in tune! When i questioned him he said Joni sings off key a lot. And I always thought that was just jOni's way! Judy collins-no thanks Janis Ian-have sevral albums Carole king ditto Shawn Colvin-no thanks Jewel-no thanks Rickie Lee jones-No thanks Natalie merchant-would like to hear more Suzanne vega-ditto One thing about Joni that cheeses me off-when she sings live she sounds just so different. This show showed her singin in 1970 and she sounded more or less like the albums the songs came from. But her TI stuff sounded so completely different that if I had not known her and bought the album from what i heard her do live, i would feel ripped off. Also, on TI her voice sounds good. The live versions of Sunny Sunday and Sex Kills sounded like she can't sing.(tho compared to RLJ she sounds like an angel!!) Oh they showed her sing California from 70. She used this flat thing with strings. i take it that was dulcimer? I always thought the sound was guitar. Anyhow, i found this interesting, liked the way she played it-kept thumping it and tweaking the strings. The sound was good. Never seen anything like that before. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:26:41 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Vh1 Countdown Watching last's night Susan Sarandon hosted segment, jogged my memory of a little snippet I read (and kept) from a gossip rag in the mid/late 70's that was a potential link of Sarandon and our Joan. It reads: Multi-talented actress Susan Sarandon is working on a movie taken from a story she co-wrote along with her boyfriend, newcomer director John Leone. Called The Last Of The Cowboys, the movie will definitely star Eileen Brennan and Henry Fonda and director has even been trying to convince the First of the Singers, Joni Mitchell, to make her motion picture acting debut in the pic---a casting coup that could get a lot of attention if Miss Mitchell decides the answer is "yep." Now for a couple of questions. Joni did do that movie "Love" (?) where 8 other women submitted their short story visions of the subject. Joni's piece was centered around a black pimp storyline with Joni dressed ala DJRD cover. Have any listers ever seen this, and does any lister have it on tape? I've always been curious about it, even though Joni has said only Liv Ullman's contribution came close to hitting the mark. Also about the first mentioned Sarandon link, did Joan ever seriously consider doing some work in larger films? Penny ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 20:31:05 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Vh1 Countdown I've only heard about it but the character she plays is called Art Noveaux (sp?) and is the same character on the cover of DJRD. At 6:26 PM -0700 7/31/99, Penny wrote: >Now for a couple of questions. Joni did do that movie "Love" (?) where >8 other women submitted their short story visions of the subject. >Joni's piece was centered around a black pimp storyline with Joni >dressed ala DJRD cover. Have any listers ever seen this, and does any >lister have it on tape? I've always been curious about it, even though >Joni has said only Liv Ullman's contribution came close to hitting the >mark. ____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua | |__________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:58:34 PDT From: "John Low" Subject: Re: Woodstock &amp; the 1960s & Joni 'complete works' Seth wrote: > Being a teenager, I can say this: If you think about it, somehow the >"cold and selfish values associated with the economic rationalism of recent >times" actually creates a sense of community among the ones of us who rebel >against the norm. I mean, at school I have a group of very close friends, >friends who all disagree with the MTV and commercialized society. We have >a special bond that is based firmly around our individual personalities. >Just a thought. Thank you very much Seth for responding to my post. Yes, I take your point. What you say is true, of course, and I can hear my son (only a few years older than you) making just the same argument. It’s just that the ‘community’ seems smaller and more fractured today and less widely mobilized than it was previously. Nor does it appear to have as unified a mode of expression as it did through rock music in the ‘sixties. Such ‘oppositional’ values as we’re talking about became, dare I say it, fashionable then. The ‘sixties generation was even defined as the ‘peace & love’ generation. These values are definitely not fashionable now and that makes the stand you and your friends are taking all that more deserving of admiration. Finally, just a quick comment on your dilemma of how to approach the Joni ‘complete works’. A number of other jmdlers have given some good advice and I can’t really add much to what they’ve said. I can only say that I remember having trouble coping with some of her changes as they were actually happening. I think, for example, I appreciate her jazz influences more now than I did when they were first introduced (‘Court & Spark’ I think was the first). I was an old ‘folkie’ I guess and she had to drag me in this new direction. I’m glad now that she did - and that I stuck with her! Don’t give up on TTT. It IS a good album. John. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 23:21:47 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: top 100-joni content Wendy Waldman? Sure; I know her cousin. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 23:39:53 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Downbeat Critics Poll The current issue of DOWNBEAT MAGAZINE contains the results of their annual Critics' Poll. Chosen as Recording of the Year was the Herbie Hancock Gershwin project. So we who are devoted to Joni Mitchell can take pride in the fact that she contributed to this award-winning CD. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 00:19:20 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Joni's top two countdown Greetings listers, I was watching a VH-1 special on Joni's night ride home from years ag and she said that her top two favorite :::drum roll::::: Edith Piaf Billie Holiday She also said about these women and herself that "Great tragedies has humanized my soul" She said you can hear it in their voice and it never leaves once it is there. I have been enjoying my homemade tape and if anyone would like to start a video tree of some of this stuff contact me privately. Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 00:27:00 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: What guitar Joni plays Hello again, As I was watching my tape I noticed that at the Troubadour Folk Fest from a few years back Joni had a Seagull guitar head stock which leads me to beleive she at least owns one of those kind of guitars. I am still sold on the Taylor and hope to have it by the Joni Fest! Catgirl whoo-hoo! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 01:59:25 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: joni and her tunings dear catgirl, however much we love joni, we can't deceive ourselves and believe that she invented the wheel. eric anderson [sp?], d. crosby and bruce cockburn, just to name a few, had used alternate tunings before joni did. as a matter of fact, some open tunings have been traditionallly used in american folk music for almost a century. - ---Original Message----- De: CaTGirl627@aol.com Para: raven@igc.org ; joni@smoe.org Fecha: Sábado 31 de Julio de 1999 18:12 Asunto: Re: Top ten Countdown...Joni at 5 >Well I do beleive it was Ms. Mitchell who was the front runner here. Maybe >these women were inspired the her. >Cat.... > ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #138 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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