From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #136 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Friday, July 30 1999 Volume 01 : Number 136 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: My Top 10 [catman ] My Top 10 ["Catherine McKay" ] bad-tempered old dear ["Catherine McKay" ] ricky ["Catherine McKay" ] Dog Eat Dog [Bounced Message ] Top Ten List SJC [Bounced Message ] RE: My Top 10 (SJC now) [Don Rowe ] RE: My Top 10 (SJC now) ["Brett Code" ] Chance Encounters [RMuRocks@aol.com] Days in the garden... (VLJC) [Janene Otten ] Re: Dog Eat Dog [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Today in Joni History - July 30 [Today in Joni History ] "The New Joni Mitchell" [Bounced Message ] Re: Dog Eat Dog [catman ] Chalk Mark Questions [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: "The New Joni Mitchell" [Joseph Palis ] Re: Chalk Mark Questions [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Days in the garden... (VLJC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Today in Joni History - July 30 [PJT ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 10:18:48 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: My Top 10 Samantha Fox is/was a topless model here in the UK who became a singer(sic). She had a huge talent-in fact two huge talents. Mark or Travis wrote: > BRAVO! So there is at least one unpretentious soul out there! > I must say tho that I am surprised you rate Samantha only no 2. Her > talents are > HUGE! > > So who the hell is she, anyway?? > > Mark in Seattle > > TreyCozy@aol.com wrote: > > > Here are mine.. > > > > 1. Brittany Spears > > 2. Samantha Fox - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:18:49 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: My Top 10 Here are mine.. >1. Brittany Spears >2. Samantha Fox >3. Paula Abdul >4. Stacey Q >5. Mariah Carey >6. Posh >7. Ginger >8. Baby >9. Sporty >10. (tie) Scary and Joni Mitchell Very funny. Unfortunately, my 12-yr old daughter would probably agree with you. The other day, she picked up my walkman and listened to it for a bit. I had a Joni tape on it. The little wretch had the nerve to say "Iiwww, what IS this crap?" Sacrilege, I say! The little Philistine - what is the matter with the youth of today? My son, just turned 9, shows promise. He really seems to like jazz. Must get that kid to music lessons. Too bad we're poor. (BTW, You left out Celine and Whitney.) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:31:30 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: bad-tempered old dear >Mitchell might have been hot once, but now >she's just a bad-tempered old dear who sings about her cats ;-) Jason, Jason, Jason. Being a bad tempered old dear is a thing I ASPIRE to! I long to be a curmudgeon sitting on the front porch waving my cane at every passer-by and passing judgment on anything that isn't the way it used to be when I was a girl. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:40:19 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: ricky So, Jason. We meet again. You said, and I quote: >How can you forget Ricky Martin? >Well, as far as I know...he's not female.....not completely, anyway >;-) The truly marketable thing about Ricky Martin is his name. He could be male, he could be female, he could belong to any ethnic group in the world. One of the things Canadian companies tend to do when using a "name" for the fake company reps who sign their letters is to choose names that work in both English and French. The surname is almost invariably Martin. The first name is usually either Paul or Anne. Ricky will do as well. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:31:00 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Dog Eat Dog From: "nadine nixson-revolks" Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:30:17 -0500 Does anyone know where I can get a copy of DED? I lost mine and here in the sticks, (Arkansas) it is impossible to find. Thanks, Phil Murphy for our on-line catalog and vdubs for sale visit our web site at http://www.tcac.net/~revolks/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 08:31:54 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Top Ten List SJC From: "nadine nixson-revolks" Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:22:34 -0500 In keeping with the times, here's MY top ten list: 1. Joni Mitchell 2. Etta James 3. Valerie Carter 4. Linda Ronstadt 5. Stevie Nicks 6. Shawn Colvin 7. Kate Bush 8. Whitney Houston 9. Big Mama Thornton 10. Bonnie Raitt Phil Murphy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 07:48:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: RE: My Top 10 (SJC now) - --- Brett Code wrote: > In a couple of years, this is the first time Whitney > has come up on the > list. > > Do we really have to talk about her? Well since I started it, I was kind of hoping that folks would pick up on the insanity of a major label thinking that an album with a #13 single and 2+ million unit sales is "disappointing" -- be it Whitney or anybody, really. I mean, can you imagine how ecstatic we'd have been if TTT put up those kinds of numbers? Say, maybe we ought to start a label! ;-) Don Rowe _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 09:14:02 -0600 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: My Top 10 (SJC now) No doubt, Don, that you are right. It is insane, and maddening and, I suppose, from the point of view of a Joni cheerleader like me, so jealousy-engendering that I'd rather not know such things were happening out there. Brett ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:18:20 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Chance Encounters - --part1_159a9163.24d1d8cc_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit << Gina, my fellow Joni-vangelist, says: << Julian seemed so warm and intelligent and friendly but I've largely come to expect no less from Joni's truest fans! Chance encounters with Joni fans are such a treat, aren't they? >> Yes indeed! And I think there's a lot more of them out there than we think, they just need to be reminded...at the beach last week I sat up with my wife's Uncle Rodney and we talked music and I found out he was a pretty big fan (he had brought LOTC and C&S). Likewise, my cousin Kara from Chicago had heard of Joni but hadn't heard much, so I spun C&S for her. She probably listened to it about 5 or 6 times more that week. She's going through some tough times with her father's illness, and I told her that listening to Joni is very comforting and therapeutic... Of course, I had to deal with my wife's telling everybody about my obsession with my "girlfriend", but no sweat, I can deal with that! Joni is worth any persecution I get! :~) Bob NP: Joni w/Chris Douridas on Morning Becomes Eclectic - --part1_159a9163.24d1d8cc_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-Path: <> Received: from aol.com (rly-yg05.mail.aol.com [172.18.147.5]) by air-yg04.mx.aol.com (v60.18) with ESMTP; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:22:26 -0400 Received: from imo11.mx.aol.com (imo11.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.1]) by rly-yg05.mx.aol.com (v60.18) with ESMTP; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:22:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost) by imo11.mx.aol.com (8.8.8/8.7.3/AOL-2.0.0) with internal id GAA04236; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:22:13 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:22:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Mail Delivery Subsystem Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: aol.comjonismoe.org: host not found) Message-Id: <199907291022.GAA04236@imo11.mx.aol.com> To: RMuRocks@aol.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/report; report-type=delivery-status; boundary="GAA04236.933243733/imo11.mx.aol.com" Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure) - --GAA04236.933243733/imo11.mx.aol.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The original message was received at Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:22:01 -0400 (EDT) from root@localhost *** ATTENTION *** An e-mail you sent to an Internet destination could not be delivered. 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Host unknown (Name server: aol.comjonismoe.org: host not found) - -------------------- Final-Recipient: RFC822; Ginamu@aol.comjonismoe.org Action: failed Status: 5.1.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; aol.comjonismoe.org Last-Attempt-Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:22:13 -0400 (EDT) - -------------------- Received: from RMuRocks@aol.com by imo11.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id 9APIa07546 (14429) for ; Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:22:01 -0400 (EDT) Return-path: RMuRocks@aol.com From: RMuRocks@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 06:22:01 EDT Subject: Re: Small Joni World To: Ginamu@aol.com joni@smoe.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 21 Gina, my fellow Joni-vangelist, says: << Julian seemed so warm and intelligent and friendly but I've largely come to expect no less from Joni's truest fans! Chance encounters with Joni fans are such a treat, aren't they? >> Yes indeed! And I think there's a lot more of them out there than we think, they just need to be reminded...at the beach last week I sat up with my wife's Uncle Rodney and we talked music and I found out he was a pretty big fan (he had brought LOTC and C&S). Likewise, my cousin Kara from Chicago had heard of Joni but hadn't heard much, so I spun C&S for her. She probably listened to it about 5 or 6 times more that week. She's going through some tough times with her father's illness, and I told her that listening to Joni is very comforting and therapeutic... Of course, I had to deal with my wife's telling everybody about my obsession with my "girlfriend", but no sweat, I can deal with that! Joni is worth any persecution I get! :~) Bob - --GAA04236.933243733/imo11.mx.aol.com-- - --part1_159a9163.24d1d8cc_boundary-- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:20:07 -0400 From: Janene Otten Subject: Days in the garden... (VLJC) I hope that any of you who made the trip to Yasgur's farm last year will consider going again this year on the 15th of August. I know, I know...Joni won't be there but some other great performers from the original festival will be there (Richie Havens, Lovin' Spoonful, Melanie...) and the true spirit of the original festival does indeed live on at this yearly event. It may seem that these performers are trying to recapture something dead and gone but from talking with some of these performers I don't see it that way at all. It is a beautiful show, far from the vapid, capitalistic, poor excuse of an anniversary that was Woodstock `99. BTW, I have some great pictures of the jmdlers that I took from the photo pit at last year's show. I would love to find out if any of you are in them. On the subject of The Shining, I too have read that 'review" from Stephen King himself but to be honest, every film made from one of his books that he was directly involved in has been REALLY CHEESY and the made for television crap is insulting. I have to say that making a Stephen King movie and putting it on television is ludicrous. His books are far too gruesome to make a fine made for television movie from them. Creepshow was great and that story about the monster under the crate that eats Adrienne Barbeau is really scary. I couldn't walk up my stairs for weeks. I ran! I thought the television version of the Shining that finally got the green light from Mr. King SUCKED! Like the guy from Wings was better than Nicholson!?!? NOT! I know that these are his stories and if they were mine I would want the cinematic presentation to include my intended vision but should anyone dare say that "IT" didn't suck compared to the book then they would be frightfully mistaken. I guess the point is that maybe King books don't always work on the screen, although I did think that Carrie, Christine, Salem's Lot and Needful Things were very good. I think Suzanne Vega deserves to be included. Now, where's Tiffany? I think she's alone now... Janene "insane spice" O. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 13:12:35 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dog In a message dated 7/29/1999 10:39:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, les@jmdl.com writes: << Does anyone know where I can get a copy of DED? I lost mine and here in the sticks, (Arkansas) it is impossible to find. Thanks, Phil Murphy for our on-line catalog and vdubs for sale visit our web site at http://www.tcac.net/~revolks/ >>You can go to CDNOW: Discography look here. They have it on sale for 5.99. Good Luck! Catgirl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 12:23:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - July 30 1983: Joni performs at the Red Rocks Amphitheater - on the foothills overlooking Denver - in the final concert of the 1983 tour. - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 15:16:18 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: "The New Joni Mitchell" From: "Emily Gray" i look forward to the day the mostly-mediocre music media dubs some upcoming MALE singer/songwriter "the new joni mitchell"... tracy chapman: some good tunes, a nice "fast car," but nowhere near the stratosphere of joni's musical abilities (in my opinion). that's not to rag on tracy, since of course i'm only aware of a few people (that's people, not women), who do occupy that space... peace! - --emily, emailing from work. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:43:32 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Dog Eat Dog Judging from the amount of people on this list who dislike DED, I am sure one of them would send you their copy! Bounced Message wrote: > From: "nadine nixson-revolks" > Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 10:30:17 -0500 > > Does anyone know where I can get a copy of DED? I lost mine and here in > the sticks, (Arkansas) it is impossible to find. > Thanks, > Phil Murphy > for our on-line catalog and vdubs for sale > visit our web site at http://www.tcac.net/~revolks/ - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 17:03:12 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Chalk Mark Questions CMIARS was my listening pick of the day and to try to inject a little more Joni content into the list, I've got a couple of questions. Forgive me if they've been addressed prior. Any thoughts on what Joni might be referring to in "My Secret Place"? I somehow doubt it's a teepee on a sandy beach like in the video for the song. Is she talking about a geographic location such as NY, LA, Colorado, the mountains or the Sunshine Coast, perhaps? Accompaniment in activities that are usually enjoyed most in solitude, for Joni they could range from painting to traveling. Is she pointing to an emotional state or frame of mind she only allows certain people to visit with her? Or if you want to get silly, I suppose since the song is sung with, IMO, her most sensually breathy recorded voice and Joni's got such a great sense of humor, maybe she's referring to, a less than approved of by Myrtle, "spot". "Oh, Oh, My, My!" You don't think Joni would ever be so obvious as to name a song "My Secret Spot", now do you? ;-D Could each of the verses be making reference to different types of "secret places" we only go with a select few? The other question comes from The Tea Leaf Prophecy. "Sleep little darlin'! This is your happy home. Hiroshima cannot be pardoned! Don't have kids when you get grown Because this world is shattered. The wise are mourning-- The fools are joking Has Joni ever said that the reason she's an only child is because The Bomb was dropped less than two years after she was born? Smiles Penny ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 10:19:21 +0800 (CST) From: Joseph Palis Subject: Re: "The New Joni Mitchell" I like Tracy Chapman and her debut album, but in her second album CROSSROADS (thrashed by critics as sophomore slump), she made fun of her popularity that reached its apex in the 1988 Grammies. It was an ultimate f*** you message for people who thought they can nicely put her in a shelf and claim that all her music are the same. In fact, the most beautiful songs IMHO are those that probed the politics of the heart. Joseph ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:23:16 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Chalk Mark Questions In a message dated 7/29/99 7:05:44 PM Central Daylight Time, zapuppy2@webtv.net writes: << Is she pointing to an emotional state or frame of mind she only allows certain people to visit with her? >> Penny, that's what I've always taken it to mean, although she refers to actual physical locations in the song (New York, Colorado) I think she is saying to the person that she is going to open herself up emotionally. I'll defer the Tea-Leaf question to someone else, I never liked that song enough to take much of an interest in it...I DO know that the song is based on Myrtle's real-life experience of going to a fortune teller and poo-poo'ing what was predicted only to see it all come true. Bob NP: Warner Bros. Music Show "Dog Eat Dog" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:41:17 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Days in the garden... (VLJC) Creepshow was great and > that story about the monster under the crate that eats Adrienne Barbeau is > really scary. For some reason this really struck me as funny. The monster that ate Adrienne Barbeau! God what a mental image that conjurs up! I thought the > television version of the Shining that finally got the green light from Mr. > King SUCKED! Like the guy from Wings was better than Nicholson!?!? NOT! I I think I taped the TV movie but I've never watched it. (I actually have quite a few things I've taped from the boob tube that I've never watched - nuts, huh?) I didn't really buy that explanation of King's that somebody wrote about Nicholson being wrong for that part. As I recall the character had a history of alchololism and physical abusiveness. So the seeds of his crack up were there. The evil in the hotel was just a catalyst. I never got to see Kubrick's version in a theatre and I think most of his films have to be seen on a big screen to really get the most out of them. I read 'The Shining' one weekend during a blizzard back in Iowa. My roommate was gone for the weekend so I was all alone. It scared the crap out of me & I couldn't sleep until my roomie was home. I kept expecting the walls of the apartment to start melting or morphing into something else or some damn thang. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 19:48:06 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Chalk Mark Questions > > The other question comes from The Tea Leaf Prophecy. > > "Sleep little darlin'! > This is your happy home. > Hiroshima cannot be pardoned! > Don't have kids when you get grown > Because this world is shattered. > The wise are mourning-- > The fools are joking > > Has Joni ever said that the reason she's an only child is because The > Bomb was dropped less than two years after she was born? Joni talks about this song in an interview of tape tree #3. She says (as Bob pointed out) that the part about the tea leaves and the prophecy coming true really did happen to her mother. She then goes on to say that her mother never actually stood over her cradle and said those lines about Hiroshima. She implied that this part of the song was invention. Mark in Seattle (who likes The Tea Leaf Prophecy quite a lot) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 20:24:23 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Chalk Mark Questions Mark wrote in answer to Penny: > > The other question comes from The Tea Leaf Prophecy. > > > > "Sleep little darlin'! > > This is your happy home. > > Hiroshima cannot be pardoned! > > Don't have kids when you get grown > > Because this world is shattered. > > The wise are mourning-- > > The fools are joking > > > > Has Joni ever said that the reason she's an only child is because > The Bomb was dropped less than two years after she was born? > > Joni talks about this song in an interview of tape tree #3. She says > (as Bob pointed out) that the part about the tea leaves and the > prophecy coming true really did happen to her mother. She then goes > on to say that her mother never actually stood over her cradle and > said those lines about Hiroshima. She implied that this part of the > song was invention. I don't know about the rest of you here but I recall back in the 60s hearing constantly from my peers that they "never wanted to bring a child into this world" because of "The Bomb" and because "the world is so "f**ked up". It was a very common attitude, which I'm sure Joni also heard expressed very often back then. Putting it in the context of the time - the Cold War threat , the potential threat of losing loved ones in the unending drone of Vietnam, and the prevalent paranoia (perhaps rightly so at the time) and fear of a gazillion nukes pointed our way, and one can understand the attitude. Maybe Joni added this small fiction in the song to tie in and contrast the attitudes of the WWII generation of her/our parents with her/our own postwar generation. On another note - I love the coziness of these lyrics in the song: "The three of them laughin' 'round the radio" and "They sit up late and watch the Johnny Carson show" Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Jul 1999 22:39:05 -0700 (PDT) From: PJT Subject: Re: Today in Joni History - July 30 I was there, what better place to see her....anyone else out there that was at this concert? Pam - --- Today in Joni History wrote: > 1983: Joni performs at the Red Rocks Amphitheater - > on the foothills > overlooking Denver - in the final concert of the > 1983 tour. > -------- > Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it > off to > JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. > -------- > _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #136 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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