From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #134 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, July 28 1999 Volume 01 : Number 134 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The "REAL" Top 10 [Robert Glenn Plotner ] UK meet [Martin Giles ] Re: Tracy Chapman [catman ] Re: The Secret Of Life [catman ] Re: The Secret Of Life [MDESTE1@aol.com] Re: The 'REAL' Top 10 ... (VLJC) [MDESTE1@aol.com] V4 #324 (VLJC) [Janene Otten ] Woodstock 99 [Louis Lynch ] Re: Joni in Music of The Millennium chart [Jerry Notaro ] re: woodstock [Mark Domyancich ] Re: You're The Most! [Heather Galli ] Re: "Best" singers, crows, priests [Heather Galli ] re: woodstock [Heather Galli ] Re: woodstock [catman ] Sorry .... [Heather Galli ] RE: New to the list ["Chad Burkhart" ] VLJC - Midnight in the Garden... [Janene Otten ] "Just Like My Dad" -- a parody [Don Rowe ] Today in Joni History - July 28 [Today in Joni History ] Re: woodstock [Randy Remote ] Re: The "REAL" Top 10 ... [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Woodstock 99 [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: woodstock [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: The "REAL" Top 10 ... [catman ] Re: The "REAL" Top 10 ... [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: woodstock [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Let me introduce myself... ["Seth Garrison" ] Re: Let me introduce myself... [Mark Domyancich ] Plug Of The Week #29 ["Peter Holmstedt" ] Joni on Radio 4 [Martin Giles ] Re: Let me introduce myself... [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: Re: woodstock ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: "Just Like My Dad" -- a parody ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Let me introduce myself... [luvart@snet.net] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 00:41:46 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Glenn Plotner Subject: Re: The "REAL" Top 10 Here's my go at admonition: 1) Joni Mitchell 2) Joan Armatrading 3) Etta James 4) Rickie Lee Jones 5) Aretha Franklin 6) Janis Joplin 7) Natalie Merchant 8) Aimee Mann 9) Sade 10)Koko Taylor Mr. Subjective === Ignatz Mouse's Tape Trade Archive and Seriously Disturbed Humor http://members.xoom.com/rabidfox Thought Experiments, The Metaphysical Think Tank http://clubs.yahoo.com/clubs/thoughtexperiments _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:53:34 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: UK meet Perhaps it would be better if we all said when we can't make it over the next couple of months so that we can find a time when everybody/most can by default? i.e. I can't make the weekends of 7-8 Aug, 14-15 Aug, 21-22 Aug. Otherwise I've not got any commitments. Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:05:43 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Tracy Chapman > > > I don't know if anyone has had a similar experience but I don't recommend > getting involved with someone who suffers from deep depression. whilst I can appreciate it must be difficult, I do not think my partner of 18 years would agree with you. It has been a growing and learning experience for us both. The thing about love is it is 'for better or for worse' if both people are committed. With right help and love, depression can be cured. > > > Victor > > NP: the fan in this unbearably hot Atlanta house - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:11:03 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: The Secret Of Life > It seems to me that the secret of > life is to love. Period. Love and Life are synonymous to me. Niether is real without the other. And yes, I agree with you. Life is about learning to love yourself and others. If you do this then one atuomatically loves 'God'. too many say they love 'God' and clearly lack love for others. In this respect Life is very simple and the reason for it. Everyone's life is of the utmost importance and the purpose of it is to love. > > > Mark in Seattle > > - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:57:30 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: The Secret Of Life Curious question. What is the purpose of an animals life. Of a flowers life. Of an insects life. I know you guys will think Im being facetious but Im not. Ive been watching this thread evolve and its been interesting, esoteric but interesting. The things i mention here dont love and they dont worry about legacies. marcel. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:13:30 EDT From: MDESTE1@aol.com Subject: Re: The 'REAL' Top 10 ... (VLJC) Bonnie Raite over Christine McVie ? Not for me. Steevie Nicks over Celia Bartoli ? I dont think so. Sade over Dinah Washington ? Hard for me to see it. Only my humble opinion. Im not sure I can leave Dolly Parton out shes an incredible songwriter. I know its country music. Emmylou Harris missing from the list. Hello. Two of my all time all time songs ever sung by a female vocalist. The Angels Rejoiced by Nicolette Larson (makes me cry when I try to sing it) and The Theme song from the Opera La Wally sung by Whilamina Fernandez also makes me cry. You may know this song from the movie Diva. respectfully. Marcel deste. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 09:46:59 -0400 From: Janene Otten Subject: V4 #324 (VLJC) Hi. It's great to be back. I was out of town and away from my computer for a few days. It's taken me three days just to catch up! =) I am really loving the recent threads here on the list, especially the lyric dissection. I didn't catch the VH-1 special. VH-1 has some great programs but I fear that, like it's predecessor, MTV, the channel is on it's way to becoming less quality programming (heaven forbid they play any MUSIC videos that aren't Celine Dion, Sheryl Crow or Ricky Martin) and more feeble attempts to satisfy the viewing audience's short attention span. On a more optimistic note, I love the attention being given to all of the great women of rock. mwyarbro@zzapp.org: what a great list. Joni is aces. I might put Janis at #2 but otherwise, you really put a finger on the pulse of the breadth of styles that spawn the chameleon called rock n' roll. Adding Chrissie Hynde was key. And Don, I'll pick up the Peter Cetera if you get your butt out and get some Nina Simone! I always listened to Sarah Vaughn, Billie Holiday, Ella Fitzgerald and wasn't aware of Ms. Simone's music until 1988. Since that time, I have found her voice to be more soothing and innovative than the other women (IMHO, of course) I also think that my mood dictates whether I'll be turned onto to something at first listen. Some music needs many listens to grow on me. Actually, many of Joni's albums are like that for me. For example, LOTC was quintessential Joni until Mingus and then I had to reevaluate everything! Then, CMIAR totally wiped that concept off the board. When TI was released I thought I'd never get into it but I just had to live with it for awhile. Joni is the queen chameleon. Can't wait for the next album, especially if it's standards. One word: Summertime. Love and rock on ladies, Janene ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 07:06:43 -0700 From: Louis Lynch Subject: Woodstock 99 Woodstock 99 With apologies, Ms. Mitchell I came upon a child of God, He was walking along the road And I asked him where are you going, And this he told me. He said I'm going down to the airforce base, I'm going to join in the rioting band We're going to trash the surrounding land, And loot vendors and ATM machines. We are stardust, we are golden And we've got to get ourselves back to the garden. Then can I walk beside you, So I don't get lost in this smog And I'll place another log, To add to the burning Well maybe it's just the heat this year, Or maybe it's the mediocre bands I don't know who I am But I'm not ready to start learning We are stardust, we are golden And we've got to get ourselves back to the garden By the time we got to Woodstock, We were a quarter million strong And everywhere the smell was wrong, And people were all naked. And I dreamed that after thirty years People would start to understand About love and peace and respect for land, But I was mistaken We are stardust, we are golden And we've got to get ourselves back to the garden ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:10:19 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Joni in Music of The Millennium chart Bounced Message wrote: > From: philipf@tinet.ie > Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 01:40:48 +0100 > > here's another place to vote for your favourite artist - Music Of The > Millennium. > Madonna's slightly ahead of Aretha in this one. Joni's at number 10. > > http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/motm/ Why in the world would they need your name, telephone number, and age for you to vote??? Smacks of shadiness to me. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 08:02:34 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: Re: woodstock Mark in Seattle wrote: <<>> When I hear "The Windfall" I can't decide who has a more outsized sense of entitlement--Joni or her housekeeper. The idea that occasional songwriting and performing, no matter how brilliant, deserves greater financial reward than manual housecleaning labor is perhaps accurate, but arguable nonetheless. I do not know the details of Joni's run-in with her housekeeper, but IMO it is at best tactless for anyone, especially a wealthy Laurel Canyon resident, to air his or her financial troubles in song. - --Michael - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 15:33:48 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: "Best" singers, crows, priests The Priest... hmm. I never thought of him as being an actual priest. I thought more of a guy who may act a bit priest-like, someone who preaches a great deal, who views the act of love as a sacrament type of thing and perhaps took himself just a little bit too seriously. I understood, perhaps incorrectly, that this particular "priest" was Leonard Cohen. I imagined this very serious sort of guy in borrowed clothes ("wearing his father's tie"), given to drinking and pontificating about life and love. The Christians and the Germans? Just a thought, and not a very concrete one, but somehow, I get an image of something like the Roman colliseum where they would throw the Christians (or whatever group was the designated victims of the day) to the lions. Only this time, it's the Christians in the audience. Together in this audience, watching and applauding this carnage are some Nazi-types (the "Germans", no offense intended to any non-Nazi Germans!). I see this is as some kind of surreal circus where the good guys and bad guys are always changing place, but the same kind of cheering/booing good and bad stuff keep going on. For example, now that the Serbs have backed off in Kosovo, we hear that the Kosovars may be doing to the Serbs what they were doing to the Kosovars. No one ever learns and says that's enouhg, it's time to stop and the victims and the torturers just change place. "Mark or Travis" said >Subject: Re: Top Ten >jerry, come on!!! greater than birgit nilsson?!?!?! do you know >whatyou're >saying?> wallyK >It's all subjective, isn't it? Personally most opera singers sound >totally unnatural to me. I can appreciate the technique, range, >vocal quality, discipline, etc. that it requires to sing that way but >I would just as soon not have to listen to most of it. I do like the >sound of Kathleen Battle's voice but she doesn't really have the >classic operatic soprano voice. I've never much cared for most operatic voices either. There's definitely something false about them. When I was a kid, listening to some opera singer on the Ed Sullivan show or something like that, I'd always start laughing like mad and I'd have to leave the room. I used to go around the house singing in an "opera" voice and driving the rest of the family mad. I read some quote by Pavarotti who said something to that effect - that the tenor voice is really a false voice. I particularly dislike the soprano voice - IMO, so high and grating, especially the coloratura type. It seems like so much vocal gymnastics with everyone trying to out-diva the one that came before. If you want to hear something a bit different, listen to Kathleen Battle's "So many stars" which features her singing some of her favourite songs from "popular" music, spirituals and so on; you might also want to check out Kathleen Battle and Jessye Norman who did a CD of spirituals with James Levine et al - I believe the title is "Spirituals in Concert" or something like that. I've always preferred a voice that is much purer - get rid of that vibrato for God's sake! Someone like Emma Kirkby who has such a pure voice and sings more like she's one of the group of musicians rather than the prima donna in centre stage. Gene Mock on crows says, >Crows are my favorite birds. It's a wonder that they can fly if you >watch >their wingbeats. Unlike Geese or Ducks they never fly in any fix > >formation >or appear ever to be in a rush. When they caw, I always wonder if >their >talking or laughing at me. Much can be learned from watching >Crows. Isn't it freaky though, when a whole bunch of them gather together in one tree and all of them are cawing back and forth? What DO you think they're talking about? I think of Hitchcock's "Birds" whenever that happens... "mimi Gal" says >Mr. Eastwood, who played ramrod Rowdy Yates, would have >been a jazz pianist, if acting hadn't proved so lucrative... What a >cool >duet, Clint and Joni Check out the soundtrack (or maybe it's more of a spinoff?) CD from the movie "Midnight in the garden of good and evil" wherein Clint sings (or maybe sing-speaks is more like it) "Acc-cen-chu-ate the positive". I never much liked that song, but I loved Clint's version. My favourite on that one though, has to be Kevin Spacey doing "That Old Black Magic". NPIMH "A melody in your name" in tango form. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:49:11 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: re: woodstock At 12:36 PM +1000 7/27/99, Takats, Angela wrote: >I think too many teenagers want "everything for nothing" and this >mentality means they get the shits when they have to pay or do >something for something in return... Being a teenager I resent that. ____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua | |__________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:07:03 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: You're The Most! >In a message dated 7/26/99 2:31:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >mwyarbro@zzapp.org writes: > >> The list wasn't of female vocalists, but of women in rock 'n' >> roll. From what I can tell, all but one (Tina Weymouth of Talking >> Heads) recorded lead vocal work, but some (like Carole King at >> #10, Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth) were clearly considered based >> on much more than their vocal work. > >I'm not at all sure about this but I believe Tina Weymouth sang lead at least >sometimes with her band Tom-Tom Club. Yes, Gina this is true. Tina Weymouth and hubby Chris Frantz (sp) live here in CT. Sometimes they will play in local clubs. Well worth seeing. Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:43:57 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: "Best" singers, crows, priests > >The Christians and the Germans? Just a thought, and not a very concrete >one, but somehow, I get an image of something like the Roman colliseum where >they would throw the Christians (or whatever group was the designated >victims of the day) to the lions. Just a little note: There is no evidence that Christians were slain in the Coliseum in Rome. Evidence was found that Christians were slain in the Roman Circus and more so in Nero's Circus which was located near the present day Vatican City. The Coliseum was used strictly for entertainment (plays, music, gladiator fights) The Circus (there were a few in Rome) was where all the chariot races were held. It is said that the disciple Peter was martyred in Nero's Circus. Heather Proud of my German heritage and no offense taken :-) Only this time, it's the Christians in >the audience. Together in this audience, watching and applauding this >carnage are some Nazi-types (the "Germans", no offense intended to any >non-Nazi Germans!). I see this is as some kind of surreal circus where the >good guys and bad guys are always changing place, but the same kind of >cheering/booing good and bad stuff keep going on. For example, now that the >Serbs have backed off in Kosovo, we hear that the Kosovars may be doing to >the Serbs what they were doing to the Kosovars. No one ever learns and says >that's enouhg, it's time to stop and the victims and the torturers just >change place. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:50:07 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: re: woodstock >At 12:36 PM +1000 7/27/99, Takats, Angela wrote: >>I think too many teenagers want "everything for nothing" and this >>mentality means they get the shits when they have to pay or do >>something for something in return... > >Being a teenager I resent that. > I kind of resent it too. Though my daughter is now 22, I raised her to be responsible and she is. For every good there is a bad in everything. We should all keep in mind not to generalize :-) Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:49:26 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: woodstock Agreed heather-there are plenty of adults who want everything for nothing. And soooo many who preach at the young and personal responsibilty when they quite clearly don't know what it means. Why oh why do kids turn into adults who bash kids? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:57:53 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Sorry .... I just noticed my lack of using NJC. My apologies to those I have offended :-) I'll go sit in the corner for a while.... bub - bye Heather ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 10:14:09 PDT From: "Chad Burkhart" Subject: RE: New to the list Phil, Welcome to the list. You have come to the right place. STAS is one of my favorite album although it is hard to say that because almost all Joni albums are one of my favorites LOL. In particular I love Michael From mountains, Cactus Tree, and Night In The City. Cool that Joni made you interested in Accoustic Guitar, she has done the same for me and I have just recently picked up the guitar and started to learn. I myself am a pseudo pianist and am loving the guitar. Of couse many of the songs I am tinkering with on the gutar are Joni songs but I could never be as good as she. Anyway, again welcome and enjoy the many conversations with Joni fans around the world.Yours always, Chadly From Mountains ICQ = 41775889 Go where you will go to Know that I will know you Someday I may know you very well ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 13:47:28 -0400 From: Janene Otten Subject: VLJC - Midnight in the Garden... Clint Eastwood & Joni on a song together?!?! Not a crazy idea but I got a chuckle. Just picturing Clint in the studio cracks me up. I know he's not Dirty Harry or Josie Wales in reality but I can's help but picture him in a cowboy hat with that cigar butt in his mouth. His daughter would probably sound nice with Joni. Anyway, point is, I just bought Midnight In The Garden Of Good And Evil from Blockbuster (pre-viewed for $4.99!) and I think I liked it but it was a bit drawn out. I think the screenplay was lacking some magic. The cast was outstanding. Too bad they didn't have much of a story to work with. Kevin Spacey is my dream date. Like, if I played that board game and I opened the little door, Kevin Spacey would be standing there. I've seen all of his movies and just saw him in The Iceman Cometh on Broadway. Dead center, orchestra seats. It was pure bliss. Maybe he should sing with Joni! =) Anyway, my favorite scary scene is in Salem's Lot when the main "kid" character is lying in his bed and his best friend who was turned into a bloodsucker comes floating over to his window which just happens to be directly in front of his bed. Then he starts scratching at the window. Man, that was freaky. That and Linda Blair spewing green vomit at two priests. Nuts... `nuf said, Janene np: D Generation: Through the Darkness ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:00:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: "Just Like My Dad" -- a parody JUST LIKE MY DAD I'm growin' older all of the time Just like my Dad Looking at the kids As I start to crab I used to play music loud as nuclear war Beatles, Stones and Who and Floyd While he shouted from downstairs How my hearing would be destroyed Hip-hoppers sampling all my bards Gangstas are banging in the yards Youthful music'll make you crazy When you're not on the target Age sets you apart I went looking for a song A catchy hook to sing along Or any melody to hum I only found distortion And pounding trash-can drums (All the singers wailing) Teen-aged kittens on the make Groups of guys with shaved chest hair Goths with their death-faced pallor And those wide, wide open stares They got together in '99 For a modern Woodstock concert time And the fires burned like crazy If you can't afford the nachos Don't stand in the line What are you going to do now You've got nothing new To listen to ... Well I've got DVD and MP3 I've got this cool PC And a paycheck bigger than fifty of theirs Why won't anybody sing for me? So I'll settle down into the gilded past With Joni and JT and Frank Dreaming of the pleasure I'm going to have Watching your next record tank (My young darlings) Hip-hoppers sampling all my bards Gangstas are banging in the yards Youthful music'll make you crazy When you're not on the target Age sets you apart I can't find my good music Just one old fart Oh sour grapes My age has set me apart _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:23:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - July 28 1966: Today the Saskatoon Star Phoenix publishes a story on Joni called "Rising Folk Singer From Saskatoon Discusses Career." It reads, in part, "Mrs. Anderson, as proud as a mother could be of her daughter's success, gave details of Joni's career, while we thumbed through a scrapbook filled with press notices of her performances in several major North American cities. Critics in Toronto, Detroit, and Calgary (where she first started to sing) had nothing but praise for her ability and originality as a folk performer." Read the entire article and see a picture at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/SaskatoonStar.html - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:50:51 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: woodstock "Takats, Angela" wrote: > RR wrote: > > << It's totally commercialized. A > small bottle of water costs 4 bucks. After paying who knows how > much to park, getting herded into busses, walked through chain link > fence mazes, etc, etc, the feeling has got to be a bit different. The > original Woodstock was out of control, the fences were down, but > luckily it was peaceful. Woodstock '99 was all about control and > profit. $60 for the pay per view! >> > > Yeah, but I just don't think that that's enough reason to destroy other > people's property. I think too many teenagers want "everything for nothing" > and this mentality means they get the shits when they have to pay or do > something for something in return...I'm not saying the prices for Woodstock > '99 were right, but that's life...we have to pay for things, we have to work > for things. And resorting to violence doesn't help prove any point they may > have had. You're right, you're right. I didn't mean to say the above was a worthwhile reason to destroy, just that it may have helped ferment anger that was already there. In '69, we had Vietnam to unify ourselves against. Last night on PI, Bill Maher said he thought these kids main problem was that they didn't really have any main problem. He said one generation plants the trees, the next gets the shade, and these kids have too much shade. I think there's a grain of truth to that, but it's alot more complex, involving poor parenting, which in part involves our ever accelerating society where a person has to work their fingers to the bone to pay outrageous rents, exorbitant taxes, etc, etc... Our consumer society bombards us with advertising all day long, the people in power (business and government) have no ethics at all...violence is served up on TV all the time....kids are looking at it all with their pitifully short attention spans, realizing that their big carreer prospect is asst manager at McBurger's, IF they get a college degree.... no wonder they look at it and think the whole thing stinks. Violence is not an answer to it, but it is a symptom of a crumbling society. To the offended young people out there, Angela said "too many teenagers want everything for nothing", not ALL teenagers... I see responsible young adults frequently, but there is a "grab for yourself" mood out there (not just involving the young) that seems larger than it's ever been. RR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 16:46:51 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: The "REAL" Top 10 ... In a message dated 7/26/1999 1:19:24 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: << Okay, I think it's high time somebody put on their "Take that VH1!" hat, and made a real list of the Top Ten Women of Rock ... since I'm feeling particularly flame-retardent today -- here goes mine: 1. Joni Mitchell 2. Stevie Nicks 3. Madonna 4. Carly Simon 5. Bonnie Raitt 6. Janis Joplin 7. Grace Slick 8. Mama Cass 9. Christine McVie 10. Chrissy Hynde Here is mine.... 1. Joni Mitchell (but of course) 2. Annie Lenox 3.Carole King 4. Sandy Denny 5. Janis Joplin 6. Bonnie Raitt 7. Chrissy Hynde 8. Stevie Nicks 9. Carly Simon 10. Annie Haslam These women are to be rocognized! Catgirl >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:22:16 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Woodstock 99 In a message dated 7/27/1999 10:09:02 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Louis.Lynch@wonderware.com writes: << By the time we got to Woodstock, We were a quarter million strong And everywhere the smell was wrong, And people were all naked. And I dreamed that after thirty years People would start to understand About love and peace and respect for land, But I was mistaken We are stardust, we are golden And we've got to get ourselves back to the garden >> very well put ! cat... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:44:23 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: woodstock In a message dated 7/27/1999 2:56:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << You're right, you're right. I didn't mean to say the above was a worthwhile reason to destroy, just that it may have helped ferment anger that was already there. In '69, we had Vietnam to unify ourselves against. Last night on PI, Bill Maher said he thought these kids main problem was that they didn't really have any main problem. He said one generation plants the trees, the next gets the shade, and these kids have too much shade. I think there's a grain of truth to that, but it's alot more complex, involving poor parenting, which in part involves our ever accelerating society where a person has to work their fingers to the bone to pay outrageous rents, exorbitant taxes, etc, etc... Our consumer society bombards us with advertising all day long, the people in power (business and government) have no ethics at all...violence is served up on TV all the time....kids are looking at it all with their pitifully short attention spans, realizing that their big carreer prospect is asst manager at McBurger's, IF they get a college degree.... no wonder they look at it and think the whole thing stinks. Violence is not an answer to it, but it is a symptom of a crumbling society. To the offended young people out there, Angela said "too many teenagers want everything for nothing", not ALL teenagers... I see responsible young adults frequently, but there is a "grab for yourself" mood out there (not just involving the young) that seems larger than it's ever been. RR This was so well put and yes I did hear the Bill Maher show while sitting at my PC and I tended to agree with him there too...the whole seed tree shade thing. Unfotunatly there are so many screwed up parents who then raise screwed up kids. I wish they would teach basic parenting in schools so little Johnny learns that when Daddy beats Mommy up it is unaceptable behavior. Kids learn what they live! Cat..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 23:07:41 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: The "REAL" Top 10 ... Mine: 1. carly 2. Joni. 3. Dar willimas 4. Tracy 5. Janis Ian 6. Carole King 7. Nanci Griffith. 8 Donna Summer 9. Amanda Lear ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:04:39 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: The "REAL" Top 10 ... In a message dated 7/27/1999 4:52:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CaTGirl627@aol.com writes: I need to get rid of Stevie and put in Joan Armatrading. She IMHO is much more tlaented then Stevie. Also, I do love Billie Holiday. She was an oversight so she goes in and Carly goes out Catgirl...ducking from the slings and arrows from all the Stevie and Carly Simon fans here Here is mine.... 1. Joni Mitchell (but of course) 2. Annie Lenox 3.Carole King 4. Sandy Denny 5. Janis Joplin 6. Bonnie Raitt 7. Chrissy Hynde 8. Joan Armatrading 9. Billy Holiday 10. Annie Haslam These women are to be rocognized! Catgirl >> >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:06:46 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: woodstock sorry for not putting in NJC! Catgirl running away and hiding...YIKES!! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:30:50 CDT From: "Seth Garrison" Subject: Let me introduce myself... Hello~ My name is Seth Garrison. I'm 17, and from Mississippi. Ok, enough of that, on to Joni... I grew up on Joni Mitchell. My mom has listened to her since her first album was released, and I've listened to her since I was conceived. Although, I only became a die hard fan recently (last year/this year). I'm a bigger fan of her older albums (i.e. Songs of a Seagull-Hejira). Not that I don't respect and admire everything after Hejira, it's just that I don't love it as much as I like the "classic Joni." My favorite album is Blue, followed by For the Roses and Ladies of the Canyon. Why I joined this list?: I'm interested in meeting fellow Joni fans (there aren't too many around here). I'm interested in sharing opinions/ideas/criticisms with people who respect this remarkable musician/songwriter/painter as much as I do. Oh, and as a side note, I'm also a fan of Ani Difranco and Tori Amos. I know, I know... I have a thing for those two sylable names that end in "i." Peace, seth _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:58:41 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Let me introduce myself... Hey Seth! Welcome to the list! You can now consider yourself the youngest male member - I'm just a year older than you, and a Yankee from the North! :-) At 5:30 PM -0500 7/27/99, Seth Garrison wrote: >Hello~ > My name is Seth Garrison. I'm 17, and from Mississippi. Ok, >enough of that, on to Joni... > I grew up on Joni Mitchell. My mom has listened to her since her >first album was released, and I've listened to her since I was >conceived. Although, I only became a die hard fan recently (last >year/this year). I'm a bigger fan of her older albums (i.e. Songs >of a Seagull-Hejira). Not that I don't respect and admire >everything after Hejira, it's just that I don't love it as much as I >like the "classic Joni." My favorite album is Blue, followed by For >the Roses and Ladies of the Canyon. > Why I joined this list?: > I'm interested in meeting fellow Joni fans (there aren't too many >around here). I'm interested in sharing opinions/ideas/criticisms >with people who respect this remarkable musician/songwriter/painter >as much as I do. > Oh, and as a side note, I'm also a fan of Ani Difranco and Tori >Amos. I know, I know... I have a thing for those two sylable names >that end in "i." > Peace, > seth ____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua | |__________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 01:03:13 +0200 From: "Peter Holmstedt" Subject: Plug Of The Week #29 Hi there, One of my favorite albums of the early nineties is the self-titled debut by the Sand Rubies. Partly produced by the late David Briggs - it featured a MARVELOUS version ( at the time unreleased ) of Neil Young's "Interstate". Sand Rubies on record is now back with a vengance! ( Sand Rubies, the group, is not, as they just recently disbanded for the second time . . . . . ) . Contingency Records in Minnesota has just put out four albums by the Sand Rubies and their off-spring : Sand Rubies - The Sidewinders Sessions Sand Rubies - Return Of The Living Dead Sand Rubies - Release The Hounds Maryanne - Your First, Your Last, Your Everything "The Sidewinders Sessions" is a 15 track compilation of the albums "Witchdoctor" and "Auntie Ramos' Pool Hall", when the group still called themselves Sidewinders. "Return Of The Living Dead" is the brand new follow-up to 1993's debut album "Sand Rubies". It's the Sand Rubies and what they do best: Great melodies and loud guitars! Partly produced by Waddy Wachtel and Mike Campbell of Tom Petty's Heartbreakers, it is very much a return to form! "Release The Hounds" is sort of an archival release of cover versions, recorded between 1986 up to 1991. The stand-out track on the album is "Grey Riders". A song written by Neil Young and never released by him - and Sand Rubies version is produced by David Briggs! As the liner notes say : "Originally Neil said it was OK to record this, but we didn't have time to really work on it - so this is live in the studio". The album also features a great version of Neil's "Rockin' In The Free World". Maryann is David Slutes from Sand Rubies new project. It has more of a power pop feel to it and the album ends with the hilarious "Record Collection" : " I got Elton John and the Ramones, Duran Duran, most of the Stones, the Cult, the Cure, and all of the Clash, there's even an old Crosby Stills & Nash My Close'n'Play is on it's way to it's millionth rotation I hope your compact discs will stay around for that duration You say I'm old I say you're young still I await your defection cuz I see they've now begun to win your affection so make your selection from my record collection I got BOC and BTO, ELP, X and ELO MC5 and the Jackson 5 Jackson Browne and Frampton Comes Alive ". Copies of all these GREAT albums are available from : Contingency Records 7455 France Avenue South #257 Edina, MN 55435 U.S.A. Email : contingency@usinternet.com Website: http://www.contingency.com Great, great music! Take care, Peter ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 00:37:37 +0100 From: Martin Giles Subject: Joni on Radio 4 Thought you might be interested in the BBC's mention of Joni last night on Radio 4's 'Front Row' - a general arts magazine. The reporter, David Hepworth, was presenting an article on the current output of middle aged singer songwriters. he also included Randy Newman, James Taylor and Bob Dylan. his comment on Joni made me laugh though... "Joni Mitchell is 56 this year. her last album, 'Taming The Tiger' touched apon her reunion with the daughter she gave up for adoption back in the early 1960s, and the fact that she suddenly found herself a grandmother. Longtime Joni Mitchell enthusiasts have 30 years experience taking the temperature of her love life through her songs. But even they must have raised an eyebrow at a song called 'Facelift', where she takes HER OWN MOTHER to task for tutting at her love affair with a younger men. I mean after all she introduced us But oh, she regrets that now Shacked up downtown Making love without a license Same old sacred cow. She said, "Did you come home to disgrace us?" I said, "Why is this joy not allowed?" " I wonder how many JMDLers have raised an eyebrow at Joni for this? I get the impression that her mother is terribly conservative and judgmental about Joni's sexuality, and that Joni has been in rebellion since her youth. I love 'In France They Kiss On Main Street' for its youthful exuberance... Downtown with my darling dime store thief In the war of independence Rock n' Roll rang sweet as victory Under neon signs a girl was in bloom And a woman was fading in a suburban room The last referring to herself and her mother respectively I suppose. And... Kisses like bright flags hung on holidays In France they kiss on Main Street Amour Mama not cheap display Oh you naughty, naughty woman Joni. ;) Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:00:30 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Let me introduce myself... Seth steps up and says: << My name is Seth Garrison. I'm 17, and from Mississippi. Ok, enough of that, on to Joni... I grew up on Joni Mitchell. >> Well get off her so she can make another record! :~) Just kidding Seth, welcome to the list, you'll find lots to learn and share as well. And I know for a fact you're not the first from Mississippi...but I know what you mean, there's not a lot of Joni adoration here in South Carolina... Bob, 41 but with the heart of a 17-year old NP : "Smokin' (Try Another)" believe it or not... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 17:49:41 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Re: woodstock > > Mark in Seattle wrote: > > << from 'Night Ride Home' but isn't this what the song is all about?>>> > I do not know the details of Joni's run-in with her housekeeper, > but IMO it is at best tactless for anyone, especially a wealthy > Laurel Canyon resident, to air his or her financial troubles > in song. Here we go with Joni & her housekeeper again. Has she ever actually said that this song is about her fights with her housekeeper?? I take the song as a broader indictment of greed. We all know there are people who will do just about anything for a buck and others who feel entitled to have 'everything for nothing'. Maybe the inspiration for the song was petty but I don't think the end result is. She puts her finger right on one of the ills of our society. Lillian Hellman did the same in 'The Little Foxes' which was taken partly from memories of her own family. Artists use personal experiences in their work all the time. It doesn't necessarily mean that the work is only about those personal experiences. Again, it's all subjective. Compelled by prescribed standards or some ideals, we fight...... Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:06:51 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: "Just Like My Dad" -- a parody > JUST LIKE MY DAD > > I'm growin' older all of the time > Just like my Dad > Looking at the kids > As I start to crab .... > Oh sour grapes > My age has set me apart Well this got a chuckle out of me! Bravo, Mr. Rowe! Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:09:54 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: woodstock In a message dated 7/27/99 11:52:04 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << At 12:36 PM +1000 7/27/99, Takats, Angela wrote: >I think too many teenagers want "everything for nothing" and this >mentality means they get the shits when they have to pay or do >something for something in return... Being a teenager I resent that. >> Not surprising; it seems there is very little that teenagers don't resent. Paul I P.S. I was one once, too. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 20:18:26 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: woodstock CUS EVERYTHING'S WRONG WITH THE WORLD!!!!!! (Just joking! :-D ) At 9:09 PM -0400 7/27/99, IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: >Not surprising; it seems there is very little that teenagers don't resent. > >Paul I >P.S. I was one once, too. ____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua | |__________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 21:46:23 -0400 From: luvart@snet.net Subject: Re: Let me introduce myself... At 05:30 PM 7/27/99 CDT, Seth Garrison wrote: >Hello~ > My name is Seth Garrison. I'm 17, and from Mississippi. Ok, enough of >that, on to Joni... Welcome, Seth!! > I grew up on Joni Mitchell. My mom has listened to her since her first >album was released, and I've listened to her since I was conceived. >Although, I only became a die hard fan recently (last year/this year). I'm >a bigger fan of her older albums (i.e. Songs of a Seagull-Hejira). Not that >I don't respect and admire everything after Hejira, it's just that I don't >love it as much as I like the "classic Joni." My favorite album is Blue, >followed by For the Roses and Ladies of the Canyon. Give Night Ride Home a chance ... I think you'll like it. > Why I joined this list?: > I'm interested in meeting fellow Joni fans (there aren't too many around >here). I'm interested in sharing opinions/ideas/criticisms with people who >respect this remarkable musician/songwriter/painter as much as I do. hey Seth!! Try to get your butt up to Ashara's Labor Day JMDL party! A bunch of us will be there. Lots of Joni music! Glad your here, Heather ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #134 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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