From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #132 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Monday, July 26 1999 Volume 01 : Number 132 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: The Secret Of Life [catman ] UK Meet [catman ] Re: Just a trick on ya & 'The Priest' [Deb Messling ] Re: Just a trick on ya & 'The Priest' [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Refuge of the Roads ["Barnicle, Kathryn" ] Re: Just a trick on ya & 'The Priest' [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Just a trick on ya & 'The Priest' [Ginamu@aol.com] The "REAL" Top 10 ... [Don Rowe ] Joni on VH-1 [Randy Remote ] RE: The 'REAL' Top 10 ... (VLJC) [mwyarbro@zzapp.org] Make Those Old Albums Sound Really Great (SJC) [Don Rowe ] Fw: Barangrill ["Kakki" ] Re: The 'REAL' Top 10 ... (VLJC) ["Kakki" ] judy, aretha, and VH1 [Jerry Notaro ] mea culpa [Jerry Notaro ] Re: Barangrill ["nadine nixson-revolks" ] Re: Just a trick on ya [Heather Galli ] Re: The 'REAL' Top 10 ... (VLJC) [Heather Galli ] Re: The 'REAL' Top 10 ... (VLJC) [jan gyn ] Re: The "REAL" Top 10 ... [DavinaGr@aol.com] Re: Joni Muzak!!JC [SMEBD@aol.com] Re: to end the boom boom pachyderm thread [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: The Secret Of Life [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Fairport's Chelsea Morning [philipf@tinet.ie] Re: Another Joni cover [philipf@tinet.ie] re: barangrill ["Takats, Angela" ] re: Tracy Chapman [waytoblu@mindspring.com] VH-1 update [Randy Remote ] Re: You're The Most! [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: VH-1 update [RMuRocks@aol.com] Re: The 'REAL' Top 10 ... (VLJC) [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: The Secret Of Life [TerryM2442@aol.com] Re: The Secret Of Life ["Mark or Travis" ] re: woodstock ["Takats, Angela" ] Was Tracy Chapman, Now Depression (VLJC) [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: woodstock ["Kakki" ] Re: woodstock ["Mark or Travis" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:22:08 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: The Secret Of Life Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > The secret of life is hugely over-rated. It's not such a big deal. The > meaning of life is to get your genes into the next generation. So all those who do not produce children live meaningless lives? > See? > You knew that all along, right? > > >From that perspective a search for *meaning* is very different. The > search for meaning is a philosophical question. Are there any > philosophers in the house, in the house? > -- > All the best, > Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... > > np: "Radio Plastic Jennifer" by bryan thomas - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:33:20 +0100 From: catman Subject: UK Meet The meeet does NOT have to be the Bank Holiday. That is just a suggestion. It would be far better if we could find a date that enables most people who wish to, to attend. - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:05:08 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: Just a trick on ya & 'The Priest' Oh yeah! *That* Father!! I honestly never thought of that (did I mention I'm a sinner?) At 10:46 PM 7/25/99 EDT, you wrote: >I always took it to mean he was wearing his usual collar, since priests are >called "Father," it meant he was in "uniform," and not in disguise. > >Paul I > > Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 07:45:03 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Just a trick on ya & 'The Priest' In a message dated 7/26/99 7:05:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, messling@enter.net writes: << Oh yeah! *That* Father!! I honestly never thought of that (did I mention I'm a sinner?) >> I'm interested. Tell me more! ;>) Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:42:51 -0400 From: "Barnicle, Kathryn" Subject: Refuge of the Roads I have a copy of Refuge of the Roads video and I would love to trade this with someone who has the Come in from the Cold video or other Joni stuff. Does any one have the Come in from the Cold video? What exactly is on the video? I found the Refuge video for sale at HMV records in Cambridge, Mass a couple of years ago. I had seen it on the shelf for about two years and finally purchased it for about $19.00. I have viewed it about three times and it seems as if the sound recording is off in a couple of places especially on "Sweet Bird". Email me privately if you are interested! 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Jerry np: Donna Summer- Con Te Partiro ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 09:36:19 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Just a trick on ya & 'The Priest' In a message dated 7/25/99 7:52:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mark-n-travis@worldnet.att.net writes: << I've been wondering if it is really a Roman Catholic priest she is talking about here or if the word has another or broader meaning. i read somewhere that joni referred to her mother as "irish protestant". it is possible that the priest was an anglican priest. the other protestant denominations don't use the term 'priest'. another article quoted her speaking of her early years in the church choir and sunday school where the 'priest' spoke about genesis and the story of cain and able. of course at the end of that story, cain is expelled to the land of nod, which is east of eden. the first thing he does there is have relations with his wife. well, joni asked the priest...where did the wife come from? it was only adam, eve, cain, and able, and cain knocked off able, so there was no wife. that question ended her sunday school and choir experience. both sunday school and children's choir are typical anglo gigs. catholics usually don't do those things, especially in the '50s. their mass was still in latin and sunday school was a protestant thing. so my bet is the priest is an anglo priest, who may have been married and wearing a regular tie, which would even have added adultury into the picture. c'est possible. < ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 08:21:26 -0600 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: Just a trick on ya The face of Queen Elizabeth II is on all Canadian currency. The penny is made of copper. Brett Proud headed Queen Lizzie? Is this a Canadian coin used to fix a fuse box? - - Clark np: Laura Nyro, the first songs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:04:40 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Just a trick on ya & 'The Priest' Uh, oh...I think I've finally been smitten by the lyric interpretation bug! This thread is the first of the interpretations of Joni's lyrics that I've found truly fascinating and enlightening, thanks in large part to the contributions of Siresorrow. I've enjoyed everyone's contributions, really. Not that the previous discussions haven't been fascinating, just that this one hit me square in the face. I think because I've never thought much about The Priest, whereas the other interpretation threads have been about songs on my favorite albums such as Hejira and Hissing Of Summer Lawns (Furry Sings The Blues, The Boho Dance, etc.) Siresorrow wrote: > i read somewhere that joni referred to her mother as "irish protestant". it > is possible that the priest was an anglican priest. This latest speculation is one that never occurred to me, but given Joni's history, it does seem to make a lot of sense. Subject: The "REAL" Top 10 ... Okay, I think it's high time somebody put on their "Take that VH1!" hat, and made a real list of the Top Ten Women of Rock ... since I'm feeling particularly flame-retardent today -- here goes mine: 1. Joni Mitchell 2. Stevie Nicks 3. Madonna 4. Carly Simon 5. Bonnie Raitt 6. Janis Joplin 7. Grace Slick 8. Mama Cass 9. Christine McVie 10. Chrissy Hynde _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:17:20 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Joni on VH-1 VH-1's countdown of the "100 greatest women of Rock & Roll" starts today. The structure is to count from 100 to #1 with 20 women per day. So Joni, who is #5 (cough, sputter, gasp) will be in the segment debuting on Friday. Times are confusing. VH-1 themselves say each new segment will air at 9 PM. My TV guide and RockOnTV say 10PM. I'll update after tonight. Each evening's show will be preceded by all the shows before it, so if you want to see the whole 5 hour thing, they will show it all Friday starting at 5 or 6 PM, Saturday at 1 PM, Sunday at 10AM. All times Eastern. Top 20 20-Grace Slick 19-Etta James 18-Gladys Knight 17-Chaka Khan 16-Supremes 15-Patti Smith 14-Stevie Nicks 13-Ella Fitzgerald 12-Debbie Harry 11-Patsy Cline 10-Carole King 9-Annie Lennox 8-Madonna 7-Chrissie Hynde 6-Billie Holiday 5-Joni Mitchell 4-Bonnie Raitt 3-Janis Jopline 2-Tina Turner 1-Aretha Franklin Other standings (Mon 100-81) includes Liz Phair, Ani DiFranco, and Yoko (Tues 80-61) inc. Big Mama Thornton, Tori Amos, Sarah McLaughlin, Hole (Wed 60-41) inc. Joan Armatrading, Alanis, Sheryl Crow (Thurs 40-21) inc. Heart, R.L.Jones, kd lang, Joan Baez, Emmylou Harris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 10:56:48 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: The 'REAL' Top 10 ... (VLJC) Don Rowe wrote: <<>> Let me test your asbestos ;-): white 1. Joni Mitchell white 2. Stevie Nicks white 3. Madonna white 4. Carly Simon white 5. Bonnie Raitt white 6. Janis Joplin white 7. Grace Slick white 8. Mama Cass white 9. Christine McVie white 10. Chrissy Hynde Just an observation... (OK, not really *just* an observation.) One's perspective certainly can color one's choices. :-) - --Michael NP: Aaliyah, "Hot Like Fire" - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:05:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Make Those Old Albums Sound Really Great (SJC) Just found a way to make almost any of your old albums sound really great. Here's what you do. Go out to your local used record store, and pick up a copy of "Solitude Solitaire" by Peter Cetera (1986) -- his first solo effort after leaving Chicago. Play a couple of cuts, any of them will do ... then put on, say "Dog Eat Dog", "Chalk Mark" ... or any other Joni album you don't particularly count as your favorite ... and listen is rapt amazement at how great they really are! Works with all genres! Guaranteed or your money back! Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 11:28:51 -0800 From: mwyarbro@zzapp.org Subject: RE: Re: You're The Most! Someone (Leslie?) had written: <<>> The list wasn't of female vocalists, but of women in rock 'n' roll. From what I can tell, all but one (Tina Weymouth of Talking Heads) recorded lead vocal work, but some (like Carole King at #10, Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth) were clearly considered based on much more than their vocal work. In any case, Cline (#11), Washington and James (#19 I think) were all included in the list. I wondered about Judy, too. I'm not sure if I would include her in a rock list, but if Barbra qualifies it seems Judy must. She sure did lead a rock 'n' roll lifestyle. It's a tough call. <<>> She's on the VH1 list. <<>> I would have liked to see her on the list instead of, say, Olivia Newton-John. Phoebe's wonderful. - --Michael NP: Madonna, "Human Nature" - ----- Sent using MailStart.com ( http://MailStart.Com/welcome.html ) The FREE way to access your mailbox via any web browser, anywhere! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 14:50:17 -0000 From: "Alan Larson" Subject: Re: The 'REAL' Top 10 ... (VLJC) I'll bite... but let me qualify my list as being the top ten popular or not so popular singer/songwriters of the feminine persuasion. 1- Joni Mitchell, of course... 2- Bonnie Raitt... wish i could play slide like that 3- Beth Neilson Chapman... check her out...great piano 4- Carole King... goes without saying 5- Sarah MacLachlan... sometimes a bit formula... but some great songs 6- Billie Holiday... dead but never forgotten 7- Joan Armatrading... love her ballads & her rockers 8- Stevie Nicks... sexy, sultry voice 9- Sade... more sexy, more sultry 10- Shawn Colvin... what can I add? Perhaps I broke my own rules... does either Stevie or Sade do any writing? I don't know for sure. Or Billie? Momentarily delurking... alan@isunet.net ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:48:23 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Fw: Barangrill A listmember, Lori Reason in France, sent this to me privately, in part, because she is unable to post to the list. I thought some of her takes on it as a former waitress were interesting and, with her permission, share it with you. Kakki **************************************************************************** [Barandgrill] was my theme song - sang it constantly when I was a waitress in my small town diner. Kept me sane. Here's my take on it - BARANGRILL Three waitresses all wearing black diamond earrings Talking about zombies and Singapore slings No trouble in their faces, not one anxious voice None of the crazy you get from too much choice The thumb and the satchel or the rented Rolls-Royce (This 'you' could be autobiographical - like the British 'one' referring to oneself, but I think she's also referring to a guy that she's singing this song to 'cuz...) And you think she knows something by the second refill You think she's enlightened as she totals your bill (I think these 'you and your' are written about a guy who wandered into a truck stop and is attracted to one of the waitresses - he thinks she's attracted because he thinks she 'knows something' and then 'she's enlightened' as their eyes meet and she smiles as she pours his coffee and 'totals your bill'.) You say "Show me the way to Barangrill" ( The Barangrill is her life. He says, 'Show me the way...' to the waitress. It's his way of saying he is interested - show me way to your heart, show me yourself, reveal yourself... ) Well some say it's in service they say "Humble Makes Pure" You're hoping it's near Folly 'cause you're headed that way for sure and you just have to laugh 'cause it's all so crazy Ah, her mind's on her boyfriend and eggs over easy (She just told him she has a boyfriend. All she cares about is her job (eggs over easy) - getting tips and keeping the customers happy. Ah, too bad - she wasn't attracted after all - how embarrasing! - pure folly (his next destination, not a town) on his part and he's heading that way for sure, so you just have to laugh it off.) It's just a trick on you, her mirrors and your will (He was 'tricked' by his attraction to her - his will (ego). Waitresses survive by being flirty and aloof - they play along with the customers, but have a life of their own so put up 'mirrors' to hide their private life and not deflate the egos of the many guys who come on to them every day. You smile - she smiles... - - it's a balancing act.) So you ask the truck driver on the way to the till But he's just a slave to Barangrill (He tries to verify why he got it wrong by asking the truck driver, but he's oblivious - it's just another truck stop - there are so many waitresses - who cares - he has no answers. So the guy walks outside and sees...) The guy at the gaspumps he's got a lot of soul He sings Merry Christmas for you just like Nat King Cole And he makes up his own tune right on the spot about Whitewalls and windshields and this job he's got And you want to get moving and you want to stay still But lost in the moment some longing gets filled And you even forget to ask "Hey, Where's Barangrill?" (He's given up, walks out to his car and he sees this very cool gas station 'attendant' (Remember how they used to fill up our gas tank, check the oil and wash the windows?). He is amazed by this guys brilliance, and lost in the moment forgets the girl. When you're fulfilled you stop longing for love.) Lori in France It's amazing what we read into her lyrics. I like my version though. It makes me laugh. What do you think? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:52:04 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: The 'REAL' Top 10 ... (VLJC) Michael wrote regarding Don's choices: > Let me test your asbestos ;-): > > white 1. Joni Mitchell > white 2. Stevie Nicks > white 3. Madonna > white 4. Carly Simon > white 5. Bonnie Raitt > white 6. Janis Joplin > white 7. Grace Slick > white 8. Mama Cass > white 9. Christine McVie > white 10. Chrissy Hynde > > Just an observation... (OK, not really *just* an observation.) O.K., just eliminate Stevie, Madonna and Mama Cass and substitute, Aretha, Tina Turner and Etta James. ;-D And where the hell is Dusty Springfield anyway?! Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:40:20 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: judy, aretha, and VH1 Just a word about the connection. I, too, am a huge Judy fan. And so is Aretha, #1 on the list. Her early years on Columbia were just her and a piano belting out standards. They are masterpieces of Americana. And Aretha just wrote a glowing essay/tribute on Judy and her influences that was published in Judy, the 4 cd box set with book and video. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:47:15 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: mea culpa mea maxima culpa Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 16:33:14 -0500 From: "nadine nixson-revolks" Subject: Re: Barangrill Lori, I think it's a pretty good take on the song. That's what's so unique about Joni as a writer, her songs seem so appropriate at so many times in our lives, and we all have a different take on their meanings. None of them are wrong, either, because it's a personal thing. I think it's an offshoot of someone barring their souls in their music. As a songwriter I know how hard that is to do without sounding trite, or God forbid, being boring! I once read where she thinks of her songs as her children. The strange contradiction is that you never want to see your children hurt, but when you let them go out into life you run that risk. Songwriters run that risk also. That's why we have so many, "June, moon, spoon" songs. Joni takes that leap of faith, and allows us to come along for the ride. Phil - -----Original Message----- From: Kakki To: joni@smoe.org Date: Monday, July 26, 1999 3:15 PM Subject: Fw: Barangrill >A listmember, Lori Reason in France, sent this to me privately, in part, >because she is unable to post to the list. I thought some of her takes on it >as a former waitress were interesting and, with her permission, share it >with you. Kakki > >*************************************************************************** * > >[Barandgrill] was my theme song - sang it constantly when >I was a waitress in my small town diner. Kept me sane. Here's my take on >it - > >BARANGRILL > >Three waitresses all wearing black diamond earrings >Talking about zombies and Singapore slings >No trouble in their faces, not one anxious voice >None of the crazy you get from too much choice >The thumb and the satchel or the rented Rolls-Royce > >(This 'you' could be autobiographical - like the British 'one' referring to >oneself, but I think she's also referring to a guy that she's singing this >song >to 'cuz...) > >And you think she knows something by the second refill >You think she's enlightened as she totals your bill > >(I think these 'you and your' are written about a guy who wandered into a >truck >stop and is attracted to one of the waitresses - he thinks she's attracted >because he thinks she 'knows something' and then 'she's enlightened' as >their >eyes meet and she smiles as she pours his coffee and 'totals your bill'.) > >You say "Show me the way to Barangrill" > >( The Barangrill is her life. He says, 'Show me the way...' to the >waitress. >It's his way of saying he is interested - show me way to your heart, show me >yourself, reveal yourself... ) > > >Well some say it's in service they say "Humble Makes Pure" >You're hoping it's near Folly 'cause you're headed that way for sure >and you just have to laugh 'cause it's all so crazy >Ah, her mind's on her boyfriend and eggs over easy > >(She just told him she has a boyfriend. All she cares about is her job (eggs >over easy) - getting tips and keeping the customers happy. Ah, too bad - >she >wasn't attracted after all - how embarrasing! - pure folly (his next >destination, not a town) on his part and he's heading that way for sure, so >you >just have to laugh it off.) > > >It's just a trick on you, her mirrors and your will > >(He was 'tricked' by his attraction to her - his will (ego). Waitresses >survive >by being flirty and aloof - they play along with the customers, but have a >life >of their own so put up 'mirrors' to hide their private life and not deflate >the >egos of the many guys who come on to them every day. You smile - she >smiles... >- it's a balancing act.) > > >So you ask the truck driver on the way to the till >But he's just a slave to Barangrill > >(He tries to verify why he got it wrong by asking the truck driver, but he's >oblivious - it's just another truck stop - there are so many waitresses - >who >cares - he has no answers. So the guy walks outside and sees...) > > >The guy at the gaspumps he's got a lot of soul >He sings Merry Christmas for you just like Nat King Cole >And he makes up his own tune right on the spot about >Whitewalls and windshields and this job he's got >And you want to get moving and you want to stay still >But lost in the moment some longing gets filled >And you even forget to ask "Hey, Where's Barangrill?" > >(He's given up, walks out to his car and he sees this very cool gas station >'attendant' (Remember how they used to fill up our gas tank, check the oil >and >wash the windows?). He is amazed by this guys brilliance, and lost in the >moment forgets the girl. When you're fulfilled you stop longing for love.) > >Lori in France > > It's amazing what we read into her lyrics. I like my version though. It >makes >me laugh. What do you think? > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:11:47 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: Just a trick on ya >At 1:45 PM -0400 7/24/99, CarltonCT@aol.com wrote: >>Now, Electricity -- there's a toughie. Sue, or anyone else -- care to dive >>in and explain that one? I love that song, and part of it is just how >>mysterious it is. It's a song of longing and connecting and people running >>currents through each other -- but just what do some of these lyrics means? >>Proud headed Queen Lizzie? Is this a Canadian coin used to fix a fuse box? > >It's a copper coin (Canadian, I think) used in place of a fuse once >it blows up. Copper is a good conductor so when people couldn't find >a fuse they used a 'proud head Queen Lizzie.' > >Maybe the chemist Heather can explain the conductor thing better! Yes, copper is a good conductor of electricity. The electrical conductivity of copper is better than most other metals. Electrical conductivity in metals mostly depends upon the smooth, uninterrupted movement of electrons through the molecular lattice structure. Small amounts of impurities can reduce the conductivity very much. That is why pure copper is preferred in many cases. Did you know that in many cars there is approximately 40 lbs of copper in electrical connections alone? Just some trivia ..... and now that I have bored you all to tears and possible screams of terror...... I do not recommend using a penny instead of a fuse. There is a high risk of creating an electrical fire and damaging any appliances and equipment in your house. ("not gonna fix that up too easy") I prefer circuit breakers :-) Speaking of fuses ...... we have some big, bad ass Klipsch speakers at home (4' high and 3' wide). We put a fuse in-line with the speaker wire to prevent the speakers from blowing. This allows me to blast Hejira without worrying about my speakers :-) If the neighbors didn't know anything about Joni's music .... they do now!! In Electricity, I've always loved how Joni expresses the phrase "runs through her circuits like a heart beat" with the guitar beating the rhythm of a heart. Take care, Heather np: NPR ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:20:01 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: The 'REAL' Top 10 ... (VLJC) >Michael wrote regarding Don's choices: > >> Let me test your asbestos ;-): >> >> white 1. Joni Mitchell >> white 2. Stevie Nicks >> white 3. Madonna >> white 4. Carly Simon >> white 5. Bonnie Raitt >> white 6. Janis Joplin >> white 7. Grace Slick >> white 8. Mama Cass >> white 9. Christine McVie >> white 10. Chrissy Hynde >> >> Just an observation... (OK, not really *just* an observation.) > >O.K., just eliminate Stevie, Madonna and Mama Cass and substitute, Aretha, >Tina Turner and Etta James. ;-D > >And where the hell is Dusty Springfield anyway?! > And Laura Nyro?? Heather ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 15:24:16 -0700 From: jan gyn Subject: Re: The 'REAL' Top 10 ... (VLJC) At 06:20 PM 7/26/99 -0500, you wrote: >>Michael wrote regarding Don's choices: >>> Let me test your asbestos ;-): >>> >>> white 1. Joni Mitchell >>> white 2. Stevie Nicks >>> white 3. Madonna >>> white 4. Carly Simon >>> white 5. Bonnie Raitt >>> white 6. Janis Joplin >>> white 7. Grace Slick >>> white 8. Mama Cass >>> white 9. Christine McVie >>> white 10. Chrissy Hynde >>> Just an observation... (OK, not really *just* an observation.) >>O.K., just eliminate Stevie, Madonna and Mama Cass and substitute, Aretha, >>Tina Turner and Etta James. ;-D >> >>And where the hell is Dusty Springfield anyway?! >> >And Laura Nyro?? >Heather Patty Smith? Bjork? Hildegarde Von Bingen? - -jan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:22:27 EDT From: DavinaGr@aol.com Subject: Re: The "REAL" Top 10 ... Flame retardent Don wrote: Okay, I think it's high time somebody put on their "Take that VH1!" hat, and made a real list of the Top Ten Women of Rock... Here's mine: 1) Joni Mitchell 2) Janis Joplin 3) Joan Armatrading 4) Stevie Nicks 5) Carole King 6) Rickie Lee Jones 7) Laura Nero 8) Grace Slick 9) Carly Simon 10) Etta James :-) Best, Davina NP: Stevie...Gold Dust Woman ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:39:17 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni Muzak!!JC In a message dated 7/25/1999 7:19:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time, rustytrazom@hotmail.com writes: << Back to SF nest week, then immediately off to Eugene, OR to live with my partner (Brent) who is moving to the US from Japan so we can start a life together. Yeah, a commitment. Wish us luck!!! He is not a Joni fan (yet)but he'll be hearing plenty of her from the CD player and my hands on the piano!!! >> Russ, Best wishes to you and Brent--congratulations on your commitment to one another. There is work involved, but it is certainly worth the effort if you have found the right person. And not to worry, when my partner and I got together 8 years ago, he knew LOTC and that was about it. Now, he will make comment about Joni's style of guitar playing, or will question what a certain reference in a song means. Partners are really quite trainable--it is all in the approach. Best of luck! Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:41:52 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: to end the boom boom pachyderm thread In a message dated 7/23/99 1:54:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << Has no one heard of a double or triple entendre??? >> Not tonight, I'm too tired. ; ) Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:35:55 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: The Secret Of Life Jim L'Hommedieu wrote: > The secret of life is hugely over-rated. It's not such a big deal. The > meaning of life is to get your genes into the next generation. See? > You knew that all along, right? > Sorry, I don't see. I am almost (but not quite totally) sterile and have been for almost all my adult life, after a low grade testicular infection. The odds that I would ever biologically sire a child are very slim. Then I am also gay, further reducing those odds. I have two adopted sons. I have a grandson and another on the way any day now. There is no genetic connection between me and them. My love is not determined by genes. I am not so sure that everyone's genes should be passed into the next generation anyway. The best part of the first part of my life was finding two boys abandoned by their genetic male sire and becoming their father. As my youngest has reverted to the patterns of his gene-giver, and has abandoned his son, to my great sorrow, the best part of this part of my life is loving my grandson and letting him know he is loved. My soon to be next grandchild is actually my grandson's mother's second child, this time by a different man than my son. So I will have someone new to love who again has no genetic connection to me. The secret of life is finding a child to love and passing that love into the next generation, if possible. By adoption, foster parenting, mentoring, being a good aunt or uncle, being a good neighbor, or whatever means one has at one's disposal. Any fuck, to be vulgar, can get genes into the next generation. I know Jim that is NOT what you meant for you love you family and that has been clear always. What I am saying is that the love extending into the next generation has nothing to do with genetics. I am glad that you are a father biologically, for I never will be, but the love that we both have for our children, and the love that I have for my grandchild and grandchild to be, and the love you will have for your grandchildren, is identical. Nothing to do with genetics at all. It is all about love. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 01:42:00 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Fairport's Chelsea Morning Catgirl asked: > Catgirl NP- Chelsea Morning performed by the great Judy Dyble...what ever > happen to her??? She guests with Fairport Convention most years at their Cropredy bash. As far as I know these were the Joni tunes which featured in the Fairports repertoire: I Don't Know Where I Stand Chelsea Morning Night In the City Marcie Eastern Rain Both Sides Now Apparently a tape exists of Sandy Denny singing Marcie and Night In The City on a Radio One session in 1968. That's something I'd dearly love to hear. Philip ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 01:48:09 +0100 From: philipf@tinet.ie Subject: Re: Another Joni cover - ----- Original Message ----- From: > a couple of Christine Collister's > (I think you know how I feel about the divine Ms C Azeem, I've heard Same Situation but what other Joni tunes does the lovely Ms Collister sing ? Philip ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 11:01:20 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: re: barangrill I just loved Lori's interpretation of Barangrill....it's wonderful and makes sense to me. I always saw Joni as one of the characters, but this version is lovely.......THANKS LORI <> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:22:27 -0400 From: waytoblu@mindspring.com Subject: re: Tracy Chapman I had a very strange experience involving Tracy Chapman and have never been able to listen to her since. Back in 1996, Tracy Chapman was in town with the Charlie Hunter Quartet. My girlfriend(at the time), Jennifer, was supposed to be on the guest ist( she had been helping with promotions for the CHQ). When she found out she wasn't, she proceeded to get very upset(she is clinicly depressed). There were plenty of tickets to be had--I picked up a couple at half price from someone walking by, which( this makes no sense at all) caused Jennifer to be even more upset and she began walking off in the rain to find her way to the transit station, which was several miles away and she had no idea where she was headed. I proceeded to follow her to assure her safety(though she made it clear she didn't want me anywhere near her) since the ampitheatre is located in a part of town dangerous for a young, attractive woman to walk around in alone. Meanwhile it began to get dark as I continued walking in the middle of nowhere, by now completely soaked, following someone who was completely miserable and wanted me to be as well. This continued for two or three hours. The whole time, I could hear music coming from the ampitheatre, where we could have been sitting and enjoying the show in a kinder reality. Eventually, the show ended, we found the shuttle buses, and I escorted her home(still being told to go away), having experienced the most miserable evening in my life. For a long time after that hearing Tracy Chapman was somewhat disturbing though now I am just numb to her. I don't know if anyone has had a similar experience but I don't recommend getting involved with someone who suffers from deep depression. Victor NP: the fan in this unbearably hot Atlanta house ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 18:17:35 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: VH-1 update The correct time for the "100 Greatest Women of Rock" is 10PM Eastern (7 Pacific). New segment each night M-F. Joni will be on Friday's show. btw, VH-1's ad art for this is a copy of the Rolling Stones' "Some Girls" album art, with the women's faces, like one of those cheap wig ads. Joni, (sandwiched between Madonna and Stevie Nicks, fwiw) can be seen at http://vh1.com/100women/ it loads kinda slow. If you click on Joni's face, it goes to a brief bio of her career. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:25:23 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: You're The Most! In a message dated 7/26/99 2:31:43 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mwyarbro@zzapp.org writes: > The list wasn't of female vocalists, but of women in rock 'n' > roll. From what I can tell, all but one (Tina Weymouth of Talking > Heads) recorded lead vocal work, but some (like Carole King at > #10, Kim Gordon of Sonic Youth) were clearly considered based > on much more than their vocal work. I'm not at all sure about this but I believe Tina Weymouth sang lead at least sometimes with her band Tom-Tom Club. Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:39:35 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: VH-1 update In a message dated 7/26/99 8:22:11 PM Central Daylight Time, guitarzan@saber.net writes: << If you click on Joni's face, it goes to a brief bio of her career. >> Hey Randy, thanks for the link...Joni sure does look cheesy with those bright red lips! For those without web access, here's what it says: Jazzing for Joni Joni Mitchell is the next name in our list of the greatest women of rock'n'roll. You'll have to watch VH1 beginning July 26th to find out the actual place she comes in. Traveling North America and Europe, Joni Mitchell not only wrote some of her best material, but also helped draw up the road map for music in general. She backed her pristine, high-pitched warble with unusual guitar tunings and folky strumming, and first gained a foothold in the Toronto cafe scene before taking her act to New York in 1967. An impressed David Crosby produced her self-titled debut, and the aspiring painter soon became muse to her Woodstock peers, missing the event but writing its anthem anyway. Her seminal 1971 recording Blue was both soulful and soul-baring, a pattern that would continue through For the Roses and Court & Spark. With intervals as wide as the Canadian prairies where she spent her youth, she sang of wishful escapism ("River"), stripped sap and pretension from love songs ("A Case of You") and suggested that even the most ordinary details were full of meaning ("The Last Time I Saw Richard"): "Richard got married to a figure skater, and he bought her a dishwasher and a coffee percolator," she sang, at once meditating on the fleeting past and pointing to the dull materialism of the American Dream. These records formed the basis of Mitchell's reputation as a clever, inward-looking lyricist and as the quintessential feminine voice of the early '70s. It was when she began deconstructing that status, turning her high-powered scrutiny outward on 1975's pan-global The Hissing of Summer Lawns, that some listeners bristled. When she took her craft to the next level, experimenting with a jazzier sound on Hejira and Mingus, rock fans felt slighted. Even so, her work with terminally-ill bass great Charles Mingus was a unique cross-pollination of her quirky lyrics and his own serpentine melodies. Like most of Mitchell's work, it's worth a second listen and far more. The '80s found Mitchell on her friend David Geffen's label, calling in science-blinded electronica specialist Thomas Dolby for a round on Dog Eat Dog. Not until 1991's Night Ride Home and 1994's Turbulent Indigo, however, did she revisit Blue's poetic intimacy and regain the critical and commercial territory she'd ceded with her "overambitious" projects. She had adequate cause, then, to be underwhelmed by an industry that sometimes views innovation and intelligence as liabilities. Much of her time was spent in her "box of paints," covering a different canvas and answering to the real demands of Art. Prince, Madonna, and Courtney Love praised her influence; Judy Collins and Amy Grant sang her songs with more success than she'd enjoyed. Her prodigious body of work was anthologized in 1996 as Hits and Misses, and like many of her lyrics, the joke was all too true. For a songwriter of her talent, for a musician of her range, for a woman of her intuition and social consciousness, the Misses should have been Hits, the Hits should have been bigger, and the largeness of the whole has yet to be rounded. Joshua Perry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:42:04 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: The 'REAL' Top 10 ... (VLJC) In a message dated 7/26/99 6:24:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jgyn@muse.sfusd.k12.ca.us writes: << Patty Smith? Bjork? Hildegarde Von Bingen? >> Jonatha Brooke?? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 21:49:33 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: The Secret Of Life In a message dated 7/26/99 7:28:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << The secret of life is finding a child to love and passing that love into the next generation, if possible. >> Amen to that, Rev. I've been blessed with two children who are not biologically mine. I only hope that the love they've been given will continue to flow through their children, regardless of how they come into their lives. Terry ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:05:17 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: The Secret Of Life > > << The secret of life is finding a child to love and passing that love into > the next generation, if possible. >> > > Amen to that, Rev. I've been blessed with two children who are not > biologically mine. I only hope that the love they've been given will continue > to flow through their children, regardless of how they come into their lives. > > Terry This is a lovely sentiment and I don't meant to take anything away from it but....sometimes adults that maybe didn't get that love as children need it just as badly. It seems to me that the secret of life is to love. Period. Mark in Seattle > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:36:04 +1000 From: "Takats, Angela" Subject: re: woodstock RR wrote: << It's totally commercialized. A small bottle of water costs 4 bucks. After paying who knows how much to park, getting herded into busses, walked through chain link fence mazes, etc, etc, the feeling has got to be a bit different. The original Woodstock was out of control, the fences were down, but luckily it was peaceful. Woodstock '99 was all about control and profit. $60 for the pay per view! >> Yeah, but I just don't think that that's enough reason to destroy other people's property. I think too many teenagers want "everything for nothing" and this mentality means they get the shits when they have to pay or do something for something in return...I'm not saying the prices for Woodstock '99 were right, but that's life...we have to pay for things, we have to work for things. And resorting to violence doesn't help prove any point they may have had. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 22:40:51 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Was Tracy Chapman, Now Depression (VLJC) In a message dated 7/26/99 10:00:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time, TerryM2442@aol.com writes: > I''m sorry you had that experience, but to say one shouldn't get involved > with someone who suffers from deep depression is like saying stay away from > diabetics. There is treatment available that can be a godsend for those > living with depression, which is highly treatable. Goodness sakes, man! > Thank you, Terry, once again you rise to the occasion when reason is in order! So much more is known about depression now as a true biological imbalance that can be treated. So unfortunate that people still look upon those with depression as individuals to avoid. Some of the best and most talented writers, thinkers, artists and musicians are or were at one time affected by depression (perhaps an over-generalization, I'm not sure). Depression apparently influenced Joni's work on Blue. Reading the work of one of my favorite writers, Margaret Atwood, it's obvious that she struggles with depression. My favorite poet Anne Sexton was the oddest sort of psychotic, eventually taking her own life. Emily Dickinson is thought to have suffered from depression. The list goes on and on. As far as medication goes, there has been some discussion in psychiatry and psychology circles (and Terry you would be the expert here) about how medication to treat depression can affect the creative process of really talented, depressed people whose best work was done when they were in the thick of it. Regardless of how talented, creative and successful an individual may be, however, I don't think anyone enjoys the suffering, the really intense emotional pain that is part and parcel of the disease. I've sometimes wondered if creative people who suffer from depression are willing to make a tradeoff in inspiration for a more balanced and happier life through medication. Food for thought. Certainty for the average person, medication has done wonders and even at times, provided miraculous changes which allow people to work, love and grow. Now all we need is a change in society's mind-set toward depression. Take care, Gina NP: Tape tree # whatever it is...just got it in...the Second Fret, etc...breathy young Joan...amazing that I can listen to this!!! Thank you, Brian Gross, for dubbing this for me! And why did no one at my house tell me earlier I had a package??? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 19:36:25 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: woodstock I was wondering when this thread would begin on the Joni list. It's been all over other lists I'm on all day and the people posting are overwhelmingly appalled by it all. There have been various other reports of people camping out in residents yards and entering their homes uninvited, skinheads showing up with carloads of guns, and firsthand reports of some of the performers actually spurring on the crowd to destruction. Maybe I'm just an old frump these days but I am horrified by it all, especially in connection with a music event. Angela wrote: > Yeah, but I just don't think that that's enough reason to destroy other > people's property. I think too many teenagers want "everything for nothing" > and this mentality means they get the shits when they have to pay or do > something for something in return... I have to concur - I've noticed this all too often, and not only in some teenagers but also in some adults. There seems to be such a sense of conscience-less entitlement in our culture these days. I have my theories on why but don't have the energy this week to get into long debates about it ;-) Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 26 Jul 1999 20:30:07 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: woodstock > > Yeah, but I just don't think that that's enough reason to destroy other > > people's property. I think too many teenagers want "everything for > nothing" > > and this mentality means they get the shits when they have to pay or do > > something for something in return... So many people dislike 'The Windfall (Everything for Nothing)' from 'Night Ride Home' but isn't this what the song is all about? > I have to concur - I've noticed this all too often, and not only in some > teenagers but also in some adults. There seems to be such a sense of > conscience-less entitlement in our culture these days. I have my theories > on why but don't have the energy this week to get into long debates about it > ;-) > > Kakki > I think it's sad that this event is the one to carry the name Woodstock. So much for Peace & Music. Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #132 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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