From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #130 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Sunday, July 25 1999 Volume 01 : Number 130 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Re: UK meet [catman ] Re: Boom Boom pachyderm [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: Refuge of the Roads [kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave)] Re: Boom Boom pachyderm [catman ] that rowdy yates reference... ; } ["mimi Gal" ] You're The Most! [Leslie Mixon ] Just a trick on ya [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: You're The Most! ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Just a trick on ya [Mark Domyancich ] Re: that rowdy yates reference... ; } [Randy Remote ] Re: Just a trick on ya & 'The Priest' ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Just a trick on ya & 'The Priest' ["Kakki" ] Re: Boom Boom pachyderm [Siresorrow@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:38:52 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: UK meet Three people have responded favourably to the bank Holiday weekend so far. No one else has responded. The other 'list' appears not to be working. Jason, Kevin, Christopher and myself can all do the Bank Holiday. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:11:24 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Boom Boom pachyderm >Has no one heard of a double or triple >entendre??? I have! I have! Guess I was wrong. Didn't take long at all. But where is all the outrage at that offensive list of male parts? can anyone say double-standard? gdave NP: Hot Tuna: Splashdown II 7/24/75 WQIV, NYC - ----------------------------------------------------------------- DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 09:16:17 -0400 (EDT) From: kb420@webtv.net (gr8fuldave) Subject: Re: Refuge of the Roads I don't usually trade copyrighted stuff but I WILL trade a dub of this for a dub of Shadows & Light video because I can not afford the $60+ price tag at CDNow. They have some nerve asking that much for a VHS, IMO. gdave NP: same as a minute ago ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 18:04:15 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: Boom Boom pachyderm > But where is all the outrage at that offensive list of male parts? > > can anyone say double-standard? Now, dave, don't be silly. It is pc to say what you wish about the male sex and his organ. Don't you know men cannot be objectified or stereotyped or demeaned. We are big , bad and strong. We don't need to be protected. We do the protecting, remember? We should just thank our lucky stars we were not born other than male and have to put up with all this demeaning language. > > > gdave > > NP: Hot Tuna: Splashdown II > 7/24/75 WQIV, NYC > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > DaveBase @ www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Stage/2349/index.html - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:37:25 PDT From: "mimi Gal" Subject: that rowdy yates reference... ; } Greetings fellow joni fans everywhere! I've been hanging round that boom boom pachyderm reference and thread for days now. I keep singing that line over and over for some reason... But it brought to mind a great little joni moment of my own I'd like to share with y'all. I found my self sitting in some shade and tall grass smoking cigarettes and talking to Joni at the Edmonton Folk Festival a few years back...(it was in August before the release of Turbulent Indigo). Being the biggest Rawhide fan on the planet, I felt I had to ask her about the Rowdy Yates reference in the song, Dancing Clown, off the Chalk Mark album, you know, the one Billy Idol sings on. I was wondering why she didn't get Clint himself to sing it...Mr. Eastwood, who played ramrod Rowdy Yates, would have been a jazz pianist, if acting hadn't proved so lucrative... What a cool duet, Clint and Joni! LOL --- Joni laughed that great musical chortle of hers, and told me that she had no idea it was a Rawhide reference, but that Rowdy Yates was a racehorse right off her program from the Santa Anita track, and that the names from that song, were all racehorses. {I just love a good anecdotal explanation straight from the source!} She and I then watched Don Freed's set, where my girlfriend Rebecca Jenkins sang beautiful back up vocals. Over the course of the weekend, she spun many stories, and is a most memsmerizing raconteur, but after she answered one of the biggest haunting questions for me personally, I felt like the secret of the universe might be revealed next... *grin oxoxxo mimi ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:02:57 -0700 From: Leslie Mixon Subject: You're The Most! First of all, I'd like to thank all the JMDLers who replied when I "...sent out my prayer..." for a copy of the Refuge video. I did try Ladyslipper and BigStar alas none were to be had. You are all to be commended for your sharing spirits. I have a real problem when it comes to competing in music for I feel that every musician has something to contribute. I lost a very old friend who felt she had to compete with me when my band starting "coming up." If we have to list the top 10 or top 5 female vocalists why is it that I don't see Patsy Cline, Judy Garland, Dinah Washington or Etta James on this list? I know that for me, if someone asked me to do a count-down, it would change depending on my mood, although Joni and Etta would probably always be #1 and #2. And then, I'd have to include Linda Ronstadt since I've always felt that her voice (along with Judy) could make walls melt for sheer tone and power. As long as we're at it, let's add Phoebe Snow. So you see, how can these great artists compete against each other, and why should they? Idealistically, politics has no place in music but sadly I know that it is a fact of life. Looking forward to a visit today from Patti Maxine, the steel guitar queen (and on the Fender Mustang she's equally mean). We're going to sing Laura Nyro tunes at the top of our lungs, while Patti wails on that pedal steel.... she's also got a voice to kill for... No competition here, just enjoying weaving our voices together and celebrating the spirit of Laura. Leslie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 13:45:41 EDT From: CarltonCT@aol.com Subject: Just a trick on ya Hi Sue - Well, it beats me as to what that line "It's just a trick on you, her mirror's in your will" means. But maybe we can jog someone else into coming else with something conclusive. In the previous lines, Joni sings "your" and "you" in reference to herself. So it's possible that she sees in the waitress some mirroring of herself, a woman who contentedly goes about her job and her life and loves her boyfriend, and seems to do it all with ease and certainty. Joni has that possibility within her "will", she sees "something of myself in every one". The next couple of lines shake it all up again when Joni talks about the truckdriver who is a "slave to barangrill". What's been described as a sort of mental Shangrila now has the possibility of being something that enslaves you. For me, what I love about the whole song, is the experience of being somewhere and having an instant recognition that there is a whole other mindset/realm of experience other than your own, the sense that each of us lives in our own unique world. What looks like an idyllic Bar and Grill to Joni as an outsider has its own world she's yet to discover. I've felt this way every time I've started a new job -- there is a romance that goes along with discovering who the cast of chracters is at a new work place. FTR is an album from a world weary Joni, a young woman who is now rich and famous, working very hard, a very experienced woman. Suddenly she finds herself in Barangrill, a much simpler place, that without much investigation, seems like a little bit of bliss. It's still a hard song to play! Now, Electricity -- there's a toughie. Sue, or anyone else -- care to dive in and explain that one? I love that song, and part of it is just how mysterious it is. It's a song of longing and connecting and people running currents through each other -- but just what do some of these lyrics means? Proud headed Queen Lizzie? Is this a Canadian coin used to fix a fuse box? - - Clark np: Laura Nyro, the first songs ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:54:12 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: You're The Most! If we have to list the top 10 or top 5 female vocalists why is it > that I don't see Patsy Cline, Judy Garland, Dinah Washington or Etta > James on this list? I know that for me, if someone asked me to do a > count-down, it would change depending on my mood, although Joni and Etta > would probably always be #1 and #2. And then, I'd have to include Linda > Ronstadt since I've always felt that her voice (along with Judy) could > make walls melt for sheer tone and power. As long as we're at it, let's > add Phoebe Snow. Excellent choices! I thought of Garland too and wondered why she wasn't on that list. I'm still waiting for Phoebe to record a good jazz record. I think she's be sensational singing an album of good jazz standards. > Looking forward to a visit today from Patti Maxine, the steel guitar > queen (and on the Fender Mustang she's equally mean). We're going to > sing Laura Nyro tunes at the top of our lungs, while Patti wails on that > pedal steel.... she's also got a voice to kill for... No competition > here, just enjoying weaving our voices together and celebrating the > spirit of Laura. Sounds like you're going to have a wonderful time! Wish I could be there! Mark in Seattle (Boris to you, Natasha Dahlink) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 12:57:09 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Just a trick on ya At 1:45 PM -0400 7/24/99, CarltonCT@aol.com wrote: >Now, Electricity -- there's a toughie. Sue, or anyone else -- care to dive >in and explain that one? I love that song, and part of it is just how >mysterious it is. It's a song of longing and connecting and people running >currents through each other -- but just what do some of these lyrics means? >Proud headed Queen Lizzie? Is this a Canadian coin used to fix a fuse box? It's a copper coin (Canadian, I think) used in place of a fuse once it blows up. Copper is a good conductor so when people couldn't find a fuse they used a 'proud head Queen Lizzie.' Maybe the chemist Heather can explain the conductor thing better! ____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua | |__________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 10:59:16 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: that rowdy yates reference... ; } Great story! Hope you will share more... RR mimi Gal wrote: > I found my self sitting in some shade and tall grass smoking cigarettes > and talking to Joni at the Edmonton Folk Festival a few years back...(it was > in August before the release of Turbulent Indigo). > Over the course of the weekend, she spun many stories, and > is a most memsmerizing raconteur, but after she answered one of the biggest > haunting questions for me personally, I felt like the secret of the universe > might be revealed next... *grin oxoxxo mimi > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 11:12:35 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Just a trick on ya & 'The Priest' >Clark muses: > Well, it beats me as to what that line "It's just a trick on you, her > mirror's in your will" means. But maybe we can jog someone else into coming > else with something conclusive. In the previous lines, Joni sings "your" > and "you" in reference to herself. So it's possible that she sees in the > waitress some mirroring of herself, a woman who contentedly goes about her > job and her life and loves her boyfriend, and seems to do it all with ease > and certainty. And I reply: I've always heard the line sung as 'her mirrors *and* your will'. She's talking about an illusion here, like a trick in a magic show. 'It's all done with smoke and mirrors', as the saying goes. The trick also depends on your willingness to believe it. That's my take, anyway. > FTR is an album from a world weary Joni, a young woman who is now rich and > famous, working very hard, a very experienced woman. Suddenly she finds > herself in Barangrill, a much simpler place, that without much investigation, > seems like a little bit of bliss. This theme of wanting to step out of the world of fame, wealth and recognition into a seemingly simpler way of life seems to recur quite a bit in Joni's music. 'For Free', 'Song for Sharon', 'Barangrill', etc. It seems to me that underneath it all there is a part of Joni that is still the girl from the Canadian prairie who is perfectly content with 'the lap of the lake & the firelight & the lonely loon, and the crescent moon'. It's one of the things I love about her. In spite of her ego and what some perceive as arrogance there is a lack of pretense about her that is truly wonderful. On some level she just seems to be one of us. The lucky dogs who have actually met her seem to confirm this and that makes me very happy. Brett wrote about 'The Priest' yesterday. The final verse of that song has always been a puzzlement to me: Now the trials are trumpet scored Oh will we pass the test? Or just as one loves more & more Will one love less & less? Oh come let's run from this ring we're in Where the Christians clap and the Germans grin Crying let them lose Crying let them win Oh make them both confess! Does anybody have any idea what all this means? I've played with it over the years and still haven't come up with an answer that satisfies me. Anyone? Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 14:22:39 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: that rowdy yates reference... ; } Mimi, thanks for sharing a great Joni encounter! This is the first anecdote I've read where I feel Joni was seriously hedging. I'm willing to believe there were race horses with the names running at Santa Anita, but I can't believe she didn't know about Clint and Rawhide, Rowdy Yates and Jesse James after all she's related about loving the early TV and film cowboy series! I wonder if maybe she was concerned that Glinty-eyed Clint would "make her day" if she implied any connection to him in the song! Kakki You wrote: > Being the biggest Rawhide fan on the planet, I felt I had to ask her about the Rowdy Yates > reference in the song, Dancing Clown, off the Chalk Mark album, you know, > the one Billy Idol sings on. I was wondering why she didn't get Clint > himself to sing it...Mr. Eastwood, who played ramrod Rowdy Yates, would have > been a jazz pianist, if acting hadn't proved so lucrative... What a cool > duet, Clint and Joni! LOL --- Joni laughed that great musical chortle of > hers, and told me that she had no idea it was a Rawhide reference, but that > Rowdy Yates was a racehorse right off her program from the Santa Anita > track, and that the names from that song, were all racehorses ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 15:04:08 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Just a trick on ya & 'The Priest' Mark wrote: > I've always heard the line sung as 'her mirrors *and* your will'. > She's talking about an illusion here, like a trick in a magic show. > 'It's all done with smoke and mirrors', as the saying goes. The trick > also depends on your willingness to believe it. That's my take, > anyway. I see it the same as you and Clark. The little barandgrill scene beckons appealingly to her - the joys of the simpler life far away from the complex and complicated world of fame, ambition and the starmaker machinery that she longs to escape. It's almost a companion piece to "Free Man in Paris" in that respect. She asks the truckdriver but he does not provide any enlightened answers - he's just a slave to barandgrill. There's nothing particularly special or magical about the scene to him - it's just a regular stop on his everyday job. Some reality hits her - maybe it's not such an easy refuge after all. In the last verse, she seems to find some real enlightenment when she encounters the guy at the gas pump with a lot of soul who can sing beautifully about anything and make up his own tune right on the spot, even about the most ordinary things like whitewalls and windshields. Here's this man doing his "humble service" on a job that most people would not envy. Yet he maintains a wonderful sense of spirit and joy. So in that moment some real longing gets filled. She realizes she cannot escape her life but has gained some genuine inspiration. He is the real thing and not a trick of her imagination or wishful thinking. >It seems to me that underneath it all there is a part of Joni > that is still the girl from the Canadian prairie who is perfectly > content with 'the lap of the lake & the firelight & the lonely loon, > and the crescent moon'. It's one of the things I love about her. I loved reading or hearing somewhere where she called herself a "just a hillbilly". She somehow has remained so down to earth and in touch with her roots despite her amazing life. I think this is what threw me the most when we met her - I really expected some natural aloofness or formality in her, but she is immediately open and friendly and just one of the gang. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Jul 1999 21:45:22 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: Re: Boom Boom pachyderm In a message dated 7/24/99 9:13:29 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kb420@webtv.net writes: << But where is all the outrage at that offensive list of male parts? >> i most certainly apologize. i did not mean to bring on any outrage. it was after all, joni's boom boom pachyderm which got me going with that list. and as unfortunate of a time as this may be, i did forget one more which i really wanted to include before but couldn't remember: schwantz i should say now that my list is complete. and again, my apologies for the offense. ss. ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #130 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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