From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #128 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Friday, July 23 1999 Volume 01 : Number 128 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Nashville Bound - Take 2 ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Nashville Bound - Take 2 [Jerry Notaro ] Choice ["Catherine McKay" ] Hinton/JM Companion... just so you don't get your hopes up ["P. Henry" ] RE: Hey, Where's Barangrill ... [Susan McNamara ] RE: Vh1 100 women of Rock and Roll ["Brett Code" ] Re: Joni on ebay [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] In the Closet [michael paz ] Uk Meet [catman ] Re: In the Closet [catman ] to end the boom boom pachyderm thread [Siresorrow@aol.com] Re: to end the boom boom pachyderm thread ["Gene Mock" ] Re: New Granddaughter and a night to remember (JC) ["Mark or Travis" ] Re: Top Ten [PJT ] Re: Top Ten [Mark Domyancich ] sweetbreads anyone? (JC) ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Top Ten [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Top Ten [Vince Lavieri ] Re: Top Ten [IVPAUL42@aol.com] Re: Top Ten [PJT ] Re: Bay Area Jonifest [PJT ] tape trees and missing art (a little long) ["Chad Burkhart" Subject: Nashville Bound - Take 2 Just heard on the radio that Wynona plans to record a version of "the wonderful Joni Mitchell song 'Help Me' on her next album and hopes to have the Canadian songwriting god singing on it with her. Now THAT would be an experience", said the DJ. Just thought you should know! PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 08:57:42 -0400 From: Jerry Notaro Subject: Re: Nashville Bound - Take 2 Paul Castle wrote: > Just heard on the radio that Wynona plans to record a version of "the > wonderful Joni Mitchell song 'Help Me' on her next album and hopes to have > the Canadian songwriting god singing on it with her. Now THAT would be an > experience", said the DJ. Great news. Wynona is a gigantic talent and her big voice will do the song justice. Jerry ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:24:28 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Choice You have to CHOOSE between the guitar and the vacume cleaner? Where is the choice??? cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 09:17:17 -0700 From: "P. Henry" Subject: Hinton/JM Companion... just so you don't get your hopes up deb shared: "(Hinton)...evidently did no original research for this book, but relied on whatever he could find in published articles." not to change the topic but as 'The Joni Mitchell Companion' has been mentioned here of late, it may interest some to know that this book, due for release in Dec., according to those who've posted on it, will, likewise, contain no new material but will be, likewise, a reprint collection of articles and material previously published in other places, hopefully nicely presented with lots of pics, but nothing new. I know this because Stacey, (sp?) the author, told me as much. just wanted to let you all know. pat Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:08:53 EDT From: Johnwe2@aol.com Subject: Re: Vh1 100 women of Rock and Roll The results of the countdown are at E! Online website. www.eonline.com/New/More/vh1women.html Joni is number 5. Kind of a crazy list. Should be called 100 greatest women in music. I personally am happy with the top 5. The ranking of the rest I am not too sure of. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 14:11:34 EDT From: VinylVille@aol.com Subject: Joni on ebay Hi everyone! I've been in *non-participatory* mode on the list for a while - dealing with a family issue or two. :) Hope to have more time to post during the rest of these fine summer days we've been having... Putting some of my stuff out on ebay in an attempt to accumulate some rent money (it does *cost* to live in Paradise :)...thought I'd mention I have the Nautilus copy of Court and Spark out there right now (here's the link). http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=135433930 I was driving home last night from Ventura, listening to Blue (Side A of tape) and Ladies Of The Canyon (Side B). I usually love to sing along, but this time I just shut up and listened to the absolute perfection of *That Voice*. Never fails to amaze. Have a good one, jmdl-ers! Cheers, Susan C. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:40:22 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Vh1 100 women of Rock and Roll Try: http://www.vh1.com/100women/joni.tin I didn't see anything about her placement, and her number hasn't been said yet, that I can tell. At 2:08 PM -0400 7/22/99, Johnwe2@aol.com wrote: > The results of the countdown are at E! Online website. >www.eonline.com/New/More/vh1women.html > Joni is number 5. Kind of a crazy list. Should be called 100 >greatest women in music. I personally am happy with the top 5. The ranking >of the rest I am not too sure of. ____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua | |__________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 15:17:56 -0400 From: Susan McNamara Subject: RE: Hey, Where's Barangrill ... Hey Clark, I was just playing Barangrill yesterday, and I'll tell you why - -- I need to stay in the general area of tuning my strings or they just start popping like fireworks!! I was playing 'Strange Boy' straight for a week because it kept reminding me of a strange boy ... no I won't go there ... but anyway if you are in DACGAD it doesn't take too much to drop the G a half a step to F# and throw your capo on 1 and there you have Barangrill. I love when you have to move all over the fret board because it makes your arms swing in a rhythm that flows with the song. So you are rocking back and forth to the rhythm like a row boat in a big ass yachts wake. Maybe not that rocky. But Joni's compositions can be felt on so many levels. The chord change that goes along with the part 'show me the waaaaaaayyyyy to bng.' I love it. But then there are the words. I think about a year back we had a thread that lasted many days just on the line: It's just a trick on you ... her mirror's in your will Have any takers on another round of "what the heck does that mean?" I also believe that Joni was smoke screening on the boom boom pachyderm thing. She loves to disguise a dirty line!!! :-) Take care, Sue PS For the Roses is a symphony -- any random edit would diminish the whole - -- even with You Turn Me On ...IMHO " ____________________ /____________________\ ||-------------------|| || Sue McNamara || || sem8@cornell.edu || ||___________________|| || O etch-a-sketch O || \___________________/ "It's all a dream she has awake" - Joni Mitchell ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:54:46 -0600 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: Vh1 100 women of Rock and Roll After some searching around, I discovered that there is a slight error in the address. It should be "News" not "New" So the complete thing is: www.eonline.com/News/More/vh1women.html And it is case sensitive. Brett - -----Original Message----- From: owner-joni@jmdl.com [mailto:owner-joni@jmdl.com]On Behalf Of Johnwe2@aol.com Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 12:09 PM To: joni@smoe.org Subject: Re: Vh1 100 women of Rock and Roll The results of the countdown are at E! Online website. www.eonline.com/New/More/vh1women.html Joni is number 5. Kind of a crazy list. Should be called 100 greatest women in music. I personally am happy with the top 5. The ranking of the rest I am not too sure of. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:01:06 -0700 From: Randy Remote Subject: Re: Hey, Where's Barangrill ... Susan McNamara wrote: > But then there are the words. I think about a year back we had a thread > that lasted many days just on the line: > > It's just a trick on you ... her mirror's in your will > > Have any takers on another round of "what the heck does that mean?" > My original Asylum LP says "her mirrors AND your will", in other words, the idea that you "think she's enlightened", and the lure this place has is just a "trick on you" created by your own will to believe it, and the diner's reflection of that. On another level, we know that "her mind's on her boyfriend and eggs over easy", yet we "think she knows something". > > I also believe that Joni was smoke screening on the boom boom pachyderm > thing. She loves to disguise a dirty line!!! :-) > I have to agree with you there. Also, this was the period of the "white lines", so the line may also refer to coke hangers-on, pachyderm being a nose.... RR ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 13:27:03 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: Joni on ebay Susan C wrote: I was driving home last night from Ventura, listening to Blue (Side A of tape) and Ladies Of The Canyon (Side B). I usually love to sing along, but this time I just shut up and listened to the absolute perfection of *That Voice*. Never fails to amaze.       Have a good one, jmdl-ers!                                         Cheers, Susan C. LOTC was my pick too, for two weeks of commuting recently. The STAS thread was going on at the time, so rebel that I am, focused on one of the other first three. ;-) I'm embarrassed to admit it had been years since I'd listened to LOTC in earnest. It was so calming, and Joni's voice so fresh and sweet that it made the hour and 15 minute commute of traffic snarl after traffic snarl not only bearable, but soothing and an enjoyable part of an otherwise stressful job situation. I may have still been exhausted when I got home each night, but listening (and not singing along, not with my horrible voice!) to a young Joni was surely a large factor in why I was able to maintain a reasonable outlook with all that was going on around me at the time! Thanks for being there Joan! Smiles Penny NP The Refuge of the Roads video and trying very hard to appreciate that Joni time period. My 2 cents on the whole 80s thread, WTRF is the album I can't get into....the album as a whole just doesn't seem as genuine to me as her others. I think it's because it doesn't contain enough "bite" for me. But I've always have liked DED! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 02:31:59 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: In the Closet Clark wrote: " Shit ... two hours later, and I still have so much to do! The guitar goes into the closet. " Clark- SHAME on you putting that guitar back in the closet. I didn't think you were the closet type!:-) LOL. Man get to practicing you have to prepare for your performance at Ashara's. It's rumoured you are one of the closing acts. I'm ready to swap more Joni song info (cause of you I am doing BYT now and it's one of my sons favorites. BTW, the studio is running and waiting for you. Peace Michael NP-Amelia still ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:12:12 +0100 From: catman Subject: Uk Meet So where is everyone? The other list for this does not seem to be working. Anyhow, I was wondering what you all might think of the August Bank Holiday as the weekend for the get together? - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:15:27 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: In the Closet > > > Clark- > SHAME on you putting that guitar back in the closet. But sometimes it is safer back in the closet! Sometimes peace and quiet is more easily attained in the closet rather than out of it. Guitar or no.... > I didn't think you > were the closet type!:-) LOL. Man get to practicing you have to prepare > for your performance at Ashara's. It's rumoured you are one of the > closing acts. I'm ready to swap more Joni song info (cause of you I am > doing BYT now and it's one of my sons favorites. BTW, the studio is > running and waiting for you. > > Peace > > Michael > > NP-Amelia still - -- CARLY SIMON DISCUSSION LIST http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk/ethericcats/index.html TANTRA’S/ETHERIC PERSIANS AND HIMALAYANS http://www.ethericcats.demon.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:09:21 EDT From: Siresorrow@aol.com Subject: to end the boom boom pachyderm thread there is only one way in life to understand such a line in such a context, regardless of what any person, author included, might say: a boom boom pachyderm is and can only be a: schlong dong fat cock elephant dick meat cleaver moose cock etc. etc. etc..... that is all there is to it. if drums are at all involved, they are played by a: cock sure bongo conga swingin dicky drummer. period. it ain't at all any more complicated than that. ss. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:00:05 -0700 From: "Gene Mock" Subject: Re: to end the boom boom pachyderm thread Yep! I can see why you would think that. I always thought it was a fat fornicator. later gene - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Thursday, July 22, 1999 5:09 PM Subject: to end the boom boom pachyderm thread > there is only one way in life to understand such a line in such a context, > regardless of what any person, author included, might say: > > a boom boom pachyderm is and can only be a: > schlong > dong > fat cock > elephant dick > meat cleaver > moose cock > etc. etc. etc..... > > that is all there is to it. if drums are at all involved, they are played by > a: > cock sure bongo conga swingin dicky drummer. > period. it ain't at all any more complicated than that. > ss. > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 18:17:28 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: New Granddaughter and a night to remember (JC) Kay, the Lucky Girl wrote: > Myths to be dispelled: "Ice cream melting on a piece of pie" is not a > sexual reference -- both Don and Joni had a good laugh over that one. > Apparently, Don was either referring to a Norman Rockwell painting, or > perhaps just making a Rockwell-like allusion (he said something to the > effect of, "No, I was going for a Norman Rockwell kind of thing"). Also, > "Boom-boom pachyderm" is not a sexual reference -- it refers to a loud drum > fill played at a turn-around in a blues. So, "hangin' on your boom-boom > pachyderm" means more like hanging on the groove, or feeling the groove -- > not groping for private parts. ;-) I got to thinking about this and I thought 'God, I *hope* you didn't tell her about that whole genitalia on album covers thread!' Mark in Seattle ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:24:57 EDT From: Johnwe2@aol.com Subject: Oops, wrong address Some JC For the final countdown of the VH1 100 greatest women in rock, I missed a letter in the address. The correct address is www.eonline.com/News/More/vh1women.html Someone at E!online must have a source at Vh1. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:48:30 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Top Ten http://news.excite.com/news/r/990722/19/music-women When scores were tallied, Franklin "far and away" topped the poll, said executive producer Lauren Zalaznick. The "Queen of Soul" was followed by Tina Turner, Janis Joplin, Bonnie Raitt, Joni Mitchell, Billie Holiday, Chrissie Hynde, Madonna, Annie Lennox and Carole King. My own comment is Aretha, ok, then Joni, then Janis, then Tina, etc. All these lists are silly anyway and before the year is out, we shall be inudated with them, but I am having a friend tape the VHI stuff... will inform me when the Joni, Aretha, and Janis sections air? (the Rev) Vince ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 21:45:57 -0400 (EDT) From: PJT Subject: Re: Top Ten You know I took the list with a grain of salt. Not everyone is as enlightened as we are.....so our mission is to enlighten them, eh? - --- Vince Lavieri wrote: > http://news.excite.com/news/r/990722/19/music-women > > When scores were tallied, Franklin "far and away" > topped the > poll, said executive producer Lauren Zalaznick. > > The "Queen of Soul" was followed by Tina Turner, > Janis Joplin, Bonnie > Raitt, Joni Mitchell, Billie Holiday, Chrissie > Hynde, Madonna, Annie > Lennox and Carole King. > > > > My own comment is Aretha, ok, then Joni, then Janis, > then Tina, etc. > All these lists are silly anyway and before the year > is out, we shall be > inudated with them, but I am having a friend tape > the VHI stuff... will > inform me when the Joni, Aretha, and Janis sections > air? > > (the Rev) Vince > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 20:54:08 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: Top Ten Arethra #1? And Barbra Streisand as the #1 woman singer in this century in the Reutgers poll? Whatever! This was RIGGED! >Vince Lavieri wrote: > > http://news.excite.com/news/r/990722/19/music-women > > > > When scores were tallied, Franklin "far and away" > > topped the > > poll, said executive producer Lauren Zalaznick. > > > > The "Queen of Soul" was followed by Tina Turner, > > Janis Joplin, Bonnie > > Raitt, Joni Mitchell, Billie Holiday, Chrissie > > Hynde, Madonna, Annie > > Lennox and Carole King. > > > > > > > > My own comment is Aretha, ok, then Joni, then Janis, > > then Tina, etc. > > All these lists are silly anyway and before the year > > is out, we shall be > > inudated with them, but I am having a friend tape > > the VHI stuff... will > > inform me when the Joni, Aretha, and Janis sections > > air? > > > > (the Rev) Vince > > > > > >_________________________________________________________ >Do You Yahoo!? >Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua | |__________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:57:36 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: sweetbreads anyone? (JC) i've just finished hannibal, the sequel to tomas harris' the silence of the lambs. i strongly recommend it to fans of the genre. and to those of you who read it, a word of warning: according to harris i lived/ have lived/ will live [i don't want to spoil anybody's thrills by disclosing details] exactly four blocks away from dr. lecter!!! so beware of the company i keep. wallyk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:14:25 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Top Ten In a message dated 7/22/99 9:56:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Harpua@revealed.net writes: << Aretha #1? And Barbra Streisand as the #1 woman singer in this century in the Reuters poll? Whatever! This was RIGGED! >> C'mon. Did you honestly expect any different in a "popularity" poll? Besides which, those who have an objective molecule of DNA among us would have to agree with those choices. Joni might win in the female songwriter category and would certainly do well in the all-around category, but purely from a singing standpoint, I'd have to go with Aretha or Barbra, too. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:40:24 -0400 From: Vince Lavieri Subject: Re: Top Ten This Top 10, is not of rock and roll? Barbra (who I love) is not a rock and roller, although I have and enjoy her albums of those attempts. I would include Barbra at the top of any list of greatest singers, but would have to wonder if Barbra was a greater singer than Briget Nielsen, Kiri Ti Kawana, Jessye Norman, Beverly Sills, and other classical and opera singers of this century. So many genres of music... and so muc talent, we have been blessed. (the Rev) Vince IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/22/99 9:56:27 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > Harpua@revealed.net writes: > > << Aretha #1? And Barbra Streisand as the #1 woman singer in this > century in the Reuters poll? Whatever! This was RIGGED! > >> > C'mon. Did you honestly expect any different in a "popularity" poll? > Besides which, those who have an objective molecule of DNA among us would > have to agree with those choices. > Joni might win in the female songwriter category and would certainly do well > in the all-around category, but purely from a singing standpoint, I'd have to > go with Aretha or Barbra, too. > > Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:35:06 EDT From: IVPAUL42@aol.com Subject: Re: Top Ten In a message dated 7/22/99 10:31:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, revrvl@pathwaynet.com writes: << This Top 10, is not of rock and roll? Barbra (who I love) is not a rock and roller, although I have and enjoy her albums of those attempts >> By most people's definition of rock n' roll, neither is Joni. Paul I ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:52:42 -0400 (EDT) From: PJT Subject: Re: Top Ten I love Bonnie and Aretha, but contray, "all around" would have to be JOni more than either. As performers, singers Bonnie and Aretha are phenomenal. They touch a diferent side of me, but all around, as a musician, songwriter, and yes even singer, Joni gets my vote handsdown. Pam - --- IVPAUL42@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 7/22/99 9:56:27 PM Eastern > Daylight Time, > Harpua@revealed.net writes: > > << Aretha #1? And Barbra Streisand as the #1 woman > singer in this > century in the Reuters poll? Whatever! This was > RIGGED! > >> > C'mon. Did you honestly expect any different in a > "popularity" poll? > Besides which, those who have an objective molecule > of DNA among us would > have to agree with those choices. > Joni might win in the female songwriter category and > would certainly do well > in the all-around category, but purely from a > singing standpoint, I'd have to > go with Aretha or Barbra, too. > > Paul I > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 23:02:13 -0400 (EDT) From: PJT Subject: Re: Bay Area Jonifest I am going to SF the first of August, can anyone tell me when this is happening and where, who, what, ect. Pam _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 22 Jul 1999 22:36:29 PDT From: "Chad Burkhart" Subject: tape trees and missing art (a little long) hi all. I have hesitated on asking because I know that a lot of people do and I know that the tape trees are all closed but I am really itching to get some new and not easily obtained Joni stuff. In particular I am interested in the latest tape tree that has the concert from Ottawa...at least I think that I remember seeing that concert on there. As well, if there are any other tape trees that have really obscure or extremely great material on them I would be interested in those too. So if there is any great person out there that has the ability and the kind graces to help me out in my quest that would be great. I wish that I had something to offer other than blank tapes and return postage but alas I have not. If there is someone in Canada that can do this, it would be great. My funds are limited as a University student but if not, close by in the US would be cool. I'm in Montreal. Thank you in advance and I am sorry for bothering anyone with this post and this request. On a totally unrelated subject...how does a painting go missing? I was really upset to read on Wally's site that one of Joni's paintings has done just that and one of her cats, that seems like it could have been a very personal piece. I'm sure that as an artist, every work is personal but I know that Joni must care a lot for her cats as they pop up in her art again and again, especially on TTT. As an aside, I absolutely love the art in that album and the CD itself with that great cat painting. I don't know what they were thinking when they didn't nominate the album's art for a Grammy but who knows how they come up with their nominees (probably from a hat or something). NP: Ladies From The Canyon - Rainy Night House "You are a refugee from a wealthy family. You gave up all your golden factories to see who in the world you might be." Thanks again,Yours always, Chadly From Mountains ICQ = 41775889 Go where you will go to Know that I will know you Someday I may know you very well ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #128 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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