From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #127 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Thursday, July 22 1999 Volume 01 : Number 127 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- Hey, where's Barangrill? [CarltonCT@aol.com] Re: Hey, where's Barangrill? [DKasc13293@aol.com] Re: happy anniversary to me! [j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi] Re: dog eat dog, larry (jc) [j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi] Hanging on your boom-boom pacyderm ["Jim L'Hommedieu" ] RE: Hanging on your boom-boom pacyderm ["Brett Code" ] Re: Hanging on your boom-boom pacyderm [Ginamu@aol.com] Re: Hanging on your boom-boom pacyderm [DKasc13293@aol.com] Re: Subject: Lily, Joni, ice-cream, smokin' (SJC) [Bounced Message Today, July 19, is the 30th anniversary of the day I bought my first Joni > Mitchell album, Clouds. I played side two first (since I wanted to hear > Both Sides Now,) so the very first Joni song I ever heard was The Gallery. > I felt in love with that song immediately, and an obsession was born! > > 30 years of JC compared to 13 of NJC...not bad. My first encounter with the Joan kind was much later. I came across the "Shadows And Light" LP at a local library (small village in Finland), thought that the sleeve was really interesting and took it home because of that. That was in 1986. My first track? ..."Introduction"! No no no no no no no no No no no no no no no no no no no - I'm not a juvenile delinquent (ooh-wah ooh-wah ooh-wah ooh-wah ooh-wah ooh-wah ooh-wah ooh) - --jussi np: Tanita Tikaram: Elephant ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:05:07 +0300 From: j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi Subject: Re: dog eat dog, larry (jc) > << 2) i just think it's wrong to blame klein. factually wrong. and > wrong to > blame dolby. >> > Oh sure we have to blame Larry. She gave him lots of control on that > particular album. Come on now and look at the big picture. She > married the > guy. I mean how many people did she give the opportunity of marriage > to? So > you know she was CRAZY about him and let him and Thomas Dolby go to > town with > that album. I am sorry but in MHO I think the album is her worst > one. I > mean there are none that are bad or anything but if you had to put > them in > order surely this would be the last on the totem pole. I do love some > of the > songs on the album.....like Ethiopia...however, that song Smokin' > drives me > NUTS! When Chalkmark came out I thought to myself *Thank Goodness, > She got > her sanity back!* Oh no... it's back to square #1... Of course you can find reasons for not liking DED if you don't like it, but I STILL believe she wasn't Blinded By Science or Larry or whatever. "If you had to put them in order surely this would be the last on the totem pole" - your opinion. It's in my top 3. Even if Joni replied to this and said she actually was misguided at this time of her life, I think not even that would change my opinion about the album. I would think Klein & Dolby had the insight to guide Joni in this direction. - --jussi ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 18:13:22 -0400 From: "Jim L'Hommedieu" Subject: Hanging on your boom-boom pacyderm So when Joni tells him, in song, to cast aside the other girls who are hang on his boom-boom pachyderm, she is saying "the girls who hang on your drum fills"?! Please. Joni's in denial. Again. Tom Ross said: > The boom-boom pachyderm as drum fill is something I've never heard in jazz > circles. A coinage? And although no doubt elephant dicks are memorable, > this new take on the words evokes for me instead the Pink Elephants > sequence in "Dumbo." > > Pachyderm, of course, is one of those drum-syllables drummers mutter, like > 'paradiddle' and 'ratamicue'. - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:01:07 -0600 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: Hanging on your boom-boom pacyderm Thank you, Jim. There's just no way that this line has anything to do with drum fills. It can mean only one thing, and we've all discussed it several times before. The phallic nature of the hand on the cover photo is debatable, but not ol' "boom-boom". Wouldn't want to have to deal with or listen to drum fills if one had German measles! Brett So when Joni tells him, in song, to cast aside the other girls who are hang on his boom-boom pachyderm, she is saying "the girls who hang on your drum fills"?! Please. Joni's in denial. Again. Tom Ross said: > The boom-boom pachyderm as drum fill is something I've never heard in jazz > circles. A coinage? And although no doubt elephant dicks are memorable, > this new take on the words evokes for me instead the Pink Elephants > sequence in "Dumbo." > > Pachyderm, of course, is one of those drum-syllables drummers mutter, like > 'paradiddle' and 'ratamicue'. - -- All the best, Jim L'Hommedieu ** Get well Wally! ** Tolerance, tolerance, tol... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 17:33:21 -0600 From: "Brett Code" Subject: RE: The Black Crow I loved this post. Funny that you focussed on the corruption part of it, though. For me, at least recently, it has been about "illumination" rather than corruption - especially since Joni changed the words on the recent tours from "In search of love and music" to " In search of truth and beauty / My whole life has been / Illumination . . ." I love the reference to Keats (Beauty is truth; truth, beauty") and to the search, no longer merely for shiny things or shiny toys, but for light, for the things and concepts of light - truth, beauty, illumination, enlightenment, etc. The words have just formed an inspirational mantra of sorts for me. And I've been watching the crows around my house lately. They're smart, brave, and, when the sun shines on them, bright in their own patent black feathered way. And so it goes, the raged soul taking flight in search of the light. Brett np: reminiscences of Black Crow in Ottawa. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 22:27:56 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Hanging on your boom-boom pacyderm In a message dated 7/21/99 7:19:06 PM Eastern Daylight Time, jlamadoo@one.net writes: > So when Joni tells him, in song, to cast aside the other girls who are > hang on his boom-boom pachyderm, she is saying "the girls who hang on > your drum fills"?! Please. Joni's in denial. Again. > Maybe it's not meant to be taken literally? Couldn't those girls be hanging on the showmanship of the drummer? Make of it what you will, though. That's how Joni wants it, right? Why should be obligated to tell her fans or even her friends what her actual meaning was when she wrote a song? Maybe she was pulling that fan's leg, but in denial? I doubt it. Take care, Gina NP: Hejira/Hejira ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:21:40 EDT From: DKasc13293@aol.com Subject: Re: Hanging on your boom-boom pacyderm The first hand story for Kay Ashley (the person who posed the question to Joni) is that boom boom pac is reference to the cue in a jazz set, when there is a improv going on or just free form movement and the vocalist or other instrumentalists take their cue from the drummer to synchronize again and get back to the main melody. So Joni is referencing all those other pretty girls/singers coming around hanging on your "cue" to join in. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:32:11 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Subject: Lily, Joni, ice-cream, smokin' (SJC) Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 21:18:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Nicholas Bates (JMDL Digest Tuesday, July 20 1999 Volume 04 : Number 317) Following on from Catherine McKay's comments re death of John Kennedy Jnr and the massiveness of the coverage, here in Australia we have been innundated with the story even though the Kennedy legend does not loom anywhere near as large as it does in the US. Sadly, our journalists are lazy and broadcasting companies cheap, and this is a very easy story to cover since they just have to pick the stuff up from the US suppliers. The fact that it pushes other important local and global news stories off the front page and off TV news for days on end is IMO a sad reflection on what we value as news in the world today. Its not about not being sad about Kennedy's death but its about putting it in perspective. On another subject, my sentimental side is extremely pleased to hear that Joni's new grandchild appears to be partly named after herself (Daisy Joan), suggesting at the very least that things are good between Joni and her own daughter. If she was born on June 18 even better sinces that's my birthday too! Nicholas in Sydney ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:38:30 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Hey, where's Barangrill? In a message dated 7/21/1999 3:45:05 PM Eastern Daylight Time, CarltonCT@aol.com writes: << Wow ... what an ingenius composition. How does Joni play this song so cleanly? How incredible to drop the bottom string down to a low G. Okay, don't play the upper strings, now play only the bottom ones. What bliss as it glides from this weird chord into such a strange yet pretty progression. This song is up and down the neck and back again ...what a genius. How old was she when she wrote this? Not to mention these lyrics. Shit ... two hours later, and I still have so much to do! The guitar goes into the closet. >> Oh how so true!!! I know Cold Blue Steel and Sweet Fire moves all over the place as well! I remember trying to play that in my mid teens boy did my fingers HURT!! I have be brushing up on Sunny Sunday and Yvette in English...those two songs are played in the same key but one is sharped...no problemo. I will say when I play the songs from Turbulent Indigo I have to constantly retune the guitar if I want to play more then just the two songs. I wish I had a VG-8! (Dreamland, dreeeaaammmlaand) I love the chord changes in Yvette. The are so easy (once you know the proper tuning!!) and yet so sweet and obscure! Playing music in different tunigs certainly opens up alot of new and pretty sounds! One day I will pull my dulcimer off the wall tune it and try my hand at one of the songs from the songbooks Hits and Misses! I have an old tenor banjo on the wall that has not been touched in years until good ole Bob Mueller pulled it down and started tuning it. Way to go Bob!! Catgirl...looking at the guitar and the vacume cleaner (hoover to those in Europe) Which do I pick up now? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:43:57 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: dog eat dog, larry (jc) In a message dated 7/21/1999 4:36:20 PM Eastern Daylight Time, j.pukkila@pp.inet.fi writes: << t's in my top 3. Even if Joni replied to this and said she actually was misguided at this time of her life, I think not even that would change my opinion about the album. I would think Klein & Dolby had the insight to guide Joni in this direction. --jussi >> THAT song would be your top 3rd song out of everything she ever did? Have you ever considered having your ears coned? I am not being mean but if this statement is true you just blew my doors OFF! Catgirl...pulling out Hissings demo....ahhhhhhh...relief! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 23:55:18 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: The Black Crow I didn't know about the lyric change and my first reaction is sorrow. There's something so palpable and immediate about "love and music" that gets kind of bleached out when it morphs into the abstracts--"truth & beauty." And I am very moved by the image of "diving down to pick up any shiny thing." The soul is hungry for nourishment and the soul is like a child. Just my 2 cents DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #127 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. 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