From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #126 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Wednesday, July 21 1999 Volume 01 : Number 126 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- G'daughter, heffalump [Thomas Ross ] Re: moon songs (Willy) [Deb Messling ] Fairport's Chelsea Morning [Deb Messling ] Re: Moon Songs [FMYFL@aol.com] HOSL Demo Remastering Offer [Don Rowe ] Re:happy anniversary to me ["Chad Burkhart" ] Re:happy anniversary to me [Heather Galli ] Re: Fairport's Chelsea Morning [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Conquered (moon) ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Expensive collectable vinyl [Bounced Message ] Lily, Joni, ice-cream, smokin' ["Catherine McKay" ] Today in Joni History - July 24 [Today in Joni History ] Today in Joni History - July 22 [Today in Joni History ] Today in Joni History - July 28 [Today in Joni History ] Today in Joni History - July 21 [Today in Joni History ] Today in Joni History - July 26 [Today in Joni History ] Re: Lily, Joni, ice-cream, smokin' [Don Rowe ] Re: Lily, Joni, ice-cream, smokin' ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: SIQUOMB/SIDHE [zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny)] Re: Lily, Joni, ice-cream, smokin' [CaTGirl627@aol.com] kind words from Heather ["Chad Burkhart" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 03:36:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Thomas Ross Subject: G'daughter, heffalump well the most congrats, J! I expect grandparenting to be an even greater delight than parenting. The boom-boom pachyderm as drum fill is something I've never heard in jazz circles. A coinage? And although no doubt elephant dicks are memorable, this new take on the words evokes for me instead the Pink Elephants sequence in "Dumbo." Pachyderm, of course, is one of those drum-syllables drummers mutter, like 'paradiddle' and 'ratamicue'. TR ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 05:41:45 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Re: moon songs (Willy) Yeah, "trampled moon" is from No Apologies. >At the beginning of the moon songs thread I noticed an incorrect line from >"Willy". The lyric reads: He stood looking thru the lace at the face on >the conquered moon (not trampled moon). Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 06:12:55 -0400 From: Deb Messling Subject: Fairport's Chelsea Morning Over at the Digital Tradition, the folk song lyrics database, the song Chelsea Morning is attributed to Fairport Convention and is transcribed thusly: Woke up big this Chelsea morning and the first thing that I heard The "woke up big" is repeated in each stanza. Is this really how Fairport sings it?? Deb Messling messling@enter.net http://www.enter.net/~messling/ ~there are only three kinds of people: those who can count, and those who can't. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 08:29:52 EDT From: FMYFL@aol.com Subject: Re: Moon Songs Mary writes: >>Subject: Moon songs. >>At the beginning of the moon songs thread I noticed an incorrect line from>> >>"Willy". The lyric reads: He stood looking thru the lace at the face on>> >>the conquered moon (not trampled moon).>> I believe that the lister was not referring to "Willy", but "No Apologies". ....Wagging in the wound, beneath the trampled moon........ Jimmy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:23:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: HOSL Demo Remastering Offer We've recently acquired the most recent version of Sound Forge, a complete digital remastering software suite. So if anyone would care to send along a copy of the HOSL demo, we'd be more than happy to digitally restore and remaster it, then make it available as a Tape Tree on CDR. Obviously the better the source material, the better the final results of enhancement. If interested, please e-mail me privately. Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 09:22:54 PDT From: "Chad Burkhart" Subject: Re:happy anniversary to me Deb, First of all, I would like to wish you a happy anniversary of 30 years of joni!!! I am just a youngin' here on the list (24) and only just discovered Joni a few years back due to some friends and my girlfriend. They would always listen to Blue, being the only album they had in good condition. I fell in love just as you did with Clouds. The reason that I am writing is because I can relate with you on the song Gallery. The first time that I listened to my Clouds album, I didn't really like it until along came this Gallery song. I have to tell you that it was a very emotional experience I had never cried before while listening to a song but I just burst out in tears. I guess that I was going through an emotional time anyway and I was so moved by the song that I broke down. To this day I tear up every time I hear that song, and for some reason, I do the same with Real Good For Free. Anyway, just thought I'd share. Keep Smiling.Yours always, Chadly From Mountains ICQ = 41775889 Go where you will go to Know that I will know you Someday I may know you very well ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:50:19 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re:happy anniversary to me Deb, Chad & all, I am amazed at Deb remembering her first Joni purchase! My ol' gray matter has trouble remembering what day it is. I do like the lines that Chad pulled from Michael From Mountains. When I think of how many of us from this list have met each other .... these lines seem approprate :-) Thanks for sharing, Chad. Heather Go where you will go to Know that I will know you Someday I may know you very well ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:53:00 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Fairport's Chelsea Morning In a message dated 7/20/1999 6:55:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, messling@enter.net writes: << The "woke up big" is repeated in each stanza. Is this really how Fairport sings it?? >> No not at all. She Says...Woke up it was Chelsea Morning. Catgirl NP- Chelsea Morning performed by the great Judy Dyble...what ever happen to her??? What ashame that no one put this on a tape tree. It is VERY different! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:04:59 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Conquered (moon) You caught me. The very night I sent off the "moon" e-mail, wondering why the moon would be "trampled" twice, I was awakened at about 4 a.m. by that voice in my head that's always telling me about my mistakes, chastising me for getting the words wrong. It had been churning 'round in the backroom of my brain for a while. In "Willie", the moon is conquered, not trampled. There had probably only been one moonwalk at the time;) Laziness and the sneaking suspicion that some other eagle eye (or ear) would pick this up held me back from 'fessing up to the error. Shine on, conquered moon. cateri@hotmail.com P.S. You're a virgo, aren't you! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 11:30:47 -0600 From: Bounced Message Subject: Re: Expensive collectable vinyl Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:06:48 +0100 From: Martin Giles Jim wrote.. Jim, I'd be a bit careful here. It might be 180 grams but it might also be unplayable. Test pressings are just what they sound like. They're tests to see if everything (anything) is O.K. Quite often they're not. The last test pressing I encountered, was so warped I couldn't drop the needle anywhere near the outside edge without it flying straight off again. The pressing plant hadn't got the cooling process right. They can get a lot of other things wrong aswell, as indeed can the cutting engineer. I'd be suspicious that these things are a complete rip-off. (Even if they were only $10). But then I'm not a real collector of this sort of stuff. If the items are listed as 'never released' I imagine that there really was something wrong. Their value is only in their rarity, typically only 10 or 20 TPs are made. Martin. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:34:11 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Lily, Joni, ice-cream, smokin' Just picking up on a number of items that have appeared in the latest "digest". On the subject of Lily Tomlin and The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe - Lily IS probably one of the few forms of intelligent life in this universe. She has to be a Joni Mitchell fan. I wonder why everything has to be a media circus these days? Is it because everything is so immediate? I mean, we can practically BE there any time a major world event happens. They're showing us live-action bombings in Europe and kids starving in Africa as it happens. In a way, that can somehow numb a person to the real tragedy. Is it just we in North America that get all the hype over the Kennedys and so on? I'd be interested to know if it's the same in Europe and Australia and so on. Here in Toronto where I am, we get all the US TV stations as well as the Canadian ones. As such, it's difficult to know how much is us being influenced by the American media and how much is original Canadian hype. They keep playing up the "Kennedy curse" and all the tragedy that has hit that family. True enough, I suppose, and it is tragic and all that, but I know many people whose families have undergone similar bouts of tragedy and pain. To reduce it to simple terms, and with no intent to devalue the sadness of this recent loss, the Kennedy family is a large one, so the odds of things happening are pretty good (or bad, depending on point of view.) Add to that some high-risk behaviours, compared to what the rest of us peasants do (flying planes, playing ski-football(!!), being a politician, being famous), and something's bound to happen. Too bad - but don't these people deserve a little privacy? On a lighter note... Ravine, Raveen, curls - interesting that they actually corrected the mistake on the CD if indeed they did. I did buy the CD, but I can't read the small type on it, so wouldn't have thought of comparing. Isn't Raveen one of those hypnotist/magician types? ;) Kay - who ARE you? What a lucky person you are! I'm with Heather Galli - we JMDLies need more! The really important stuff, like, what kind of gum WAS she chewing anyway? Re: Kay's "Myths to be dispelled: "Ice cream melting on a piece of pie" is not a sexual reference"... My ribs are aching from laughter. Catgirl, I'm with you. Do you think that "Smoking (empy, empty, try another)" track on DED was put on because they had a little extra time left on the tape when they were winding up recording? Do you think maybe it was some kind of a sick joke? I sure hope so. That has to be the all-time worst song Joni ever did. (It has to be a joke, n'est-ce pas?) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Jul 1999 12:50:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - July 24 1983: Joni performs at Jones Beach in Wantaugh, NY - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 21 Jul 1999 12:49:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - July 22 1979: Joni performs in New York City 1983: Joni performs at Meriwether Post Pavillion in Maryland - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 27 Jul 1999 12:52:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - July 28 1966: Today the Saskatoon Star Phoenix publishes a story on Joni called "Rising Folk Singer From Saskatoon Discusses Career." It reads, in part, "Mrs. Anderson, as proud as a mother could be of her daughter's success, gave details of Joni's career, while we thumbed through a scrapbook filled with press notices of her performances in several major North American cities. Critics in Toronto, Detroit, and Calgary (where she first started to sing) had nothing but praise for her ability and originality as a folk performer." Read the entire article and see a picture at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/SaskatoonStar.html - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 12:50:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - July 21 1973: Joni performs in Kona, Hawaii 1990: Joni takes part in Roger Waters' staging of "The Wall" at the site of the Berlin Wall in Potzdamer Platz, Berlin, Germany, singing Goodbye Blue Sky. The event is broadcast live throughout the world, and raises money for the Memorial Fund For Disaster Relief. (from Wally's bio): The concert ... included guest singers and musicians such as Sinead O'Connor, Van Morrison, Cyndi Lauper, Bryan Adams, Paul Carrack of Mike and the Mechanics, the Band, the Scorpions, etc. Joni was joined onstage by flutist James Galway, performing with a pre-recorded backing track on the song "Goodbye, Blue Sky." She also re-appeared at the finale and sang a few solo lines for "The Tide Is Turning" clustered with Sinead O'Connor, Thomas Dolby and Bryan Adams at one side of an elevated platform. View pictures of the event at: http://www.jonimitchell.com/TheWallBerlin90.html - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 25 Jul 1999 12:51:00 -0600 From: Today in Joni History Subject: Today in Joni History - July 26 1970: Joni performs at the Mariposa Folk Festival 1979: Today's issue of Rolling Stone features "The Joni Mitchell Interview" and Joni on the cover. Ben Fong-Torres wrote of the interview years later: "With Rolling Stone, I had my own little territory," says Cameron Crowe, who in 1979 lived in Los Angeles. "I became identified with Southern California musicians: The Eagles; Joe Walsh; Crosby, Stills, Nash and Young... and I'd run across Joni Mitchell in various situations for seven years. And I pestered her for an interview for seven years. I even wrote her a letter when Don Juan's Reckless Daughter came out (in early 1978), saying, this was the time for her to talk. She was not interested." Especially in Rolling Stone, which she had not forgiven for calling her a "groupie" in a yearend awards issue. She hadn't spoken to the magazine in eight years. But shortly after Mitchell finished Mingus, her collaboration with the jazz bassist Charles Mingus, Crowe got a call from her manager. "He said she wanted to talk and wanted to talk to me and she didn't care who for." Crowe called Rolling Stone. And although Mitchell had hit her commercial peak with the 1974 album, Court and Spark, and had been moving for several years into jazz—that is, away from her mass audience—there was no question. We wanted to hear from her. Read the entire interview at: http://www.jmdl.com/articles/rs79.htm - -------- Know a date or month specific Joni tidbit? Send it off to JoniFact@jmdl.com and we'll add it to the list. - -------- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 14:19:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Lily, Joni, ice-cream, smokin' > Catgirl, I'm with you. Do you think that "Smokin" > has > to be the all-time > worst song Joni ever did. (It has to be a joke, > n'est-ce pas?) Well "Smokin" certainly takes the award for the all-time most maligned cut Joni's ever recorded. Let's face it, it's a lot like "South Park" -- there's something in it to offend pretty much anyone. The acoustic sensibility is offended by the sampled cigarette machine as the rhythm section. The anti-tobacco lobby is up in arms, as the song "obviously" promotes underage nicotine addiction. The poets don't understand the "empty-empty" chanting. "And what's up with that god-awful bass line?" the members of the Jaco Pastorious fan club ask themselves. Okay, for all that, "Smokin" is still a delightful and elegant little joke. They can't all be Songs for Sharon, you know, and at least Joni has a sense of humor enough to poke a little fun at herself in the process. Besides, there's more going on here than meets the eye ... Catgirl is impressed by Joni's rhythmic sense, or has so posted in the past. "Smokin" is a classic example of this. Listen to the way Joni's looped the empty cigarette machine until it actually becomes a 10/8 beat. That didn't just happen, you know, though it sounds for all the world like it did. Around this loop, the machine's buzz actually becomes the "drone" chord of the entire song, around which the rest of the harmonies revolve. If you listen just right, it has the ring and feel of a jig or reel, played on a robotic set of bagpipes (an annoying enough instrument in it's own right, to some ears). But again, this didn't just happen. And like all good novelties, the timing of "Smokin" is perfect. Sure it's a novelty, so it ought to be over just about the time you "get it". And it does just that. But the biggest joke of all is probably on Geffen. Record companies only pay for 10 cuts an album ... and in my opinion, DED wouldn't be half as effective as it is without it's one rather expensive gem of comic relief. "No regrets coyote" ... Don Rowe _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:51:52 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Re: Lily, Joni, ice-cream, smokin' Jeez, Don, thanks for clearing that up... >Catgirl is impressed by Joni's rhythmic sense, or has >so posted in the past. "Smokin" is a classic example >of this. Listen to the way Joni's looped the empty >cigarette machine until it actually becomes a 10/8 >beat. That explains everyhing. I can't count past 4. I ran out of toes ;) cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 17:49:25 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Lily, Joni, ice-cream, smokin' In a message dated 7/20/99 1:37:03 PM Eastern Daylight Time, cateri@hotmail.com writes: > Ravine, Raveen, curls - interesting that they actually corrected the mistake > on the CD if indeed they did. I did buy the CD, but I can't read the small > type on it, so wouldn't have thought of comparing. Isn't Raveen one of > those hypnotist/magician types? ;) I truly don't mean this in a police-like way, but my LP says Raven, not Ravine. The only reason I mention it, really, is because I wonder if others' copies actually say Ravine. I know it's picky of me, but I really like to keep track of these little discrepancies in printed lyrics. Take care, Gina NP: Rock In This Pocket, from 99.9 F, Suzanne Vega ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 18:08:16 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Smokin' In a message dated 7/20/1999 2:24:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: << > Catgirl, I'm with you. Do you think that "Smokin" > has > to be the all-time > worst song Joni ever did. (It has to be a joke, > n'est-ce pas?) Well "Smokin" certainly takes the award for the all-time most maligned cut Joni's ever recorded. >> Everyone always wants to know more about Joni. Everyone keeps waiting for another confessional album like "Blue". Look no further. "Smokin'" is perhaps one of the most revealing songs that Joni has ever written. This song says it all: Joni has a wonderful sense of humor, a wonderful sense of irony, and the ability to make music out of just about anything. Everytime I hear "Smokin'", I chuckle along side Joni. Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 15:36:22 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: SIQUOMB/SIDHE Hello all! Those of you who have experienced any of the jmdl get- togethers at the Kakkishack, or any of the events that Kakki has organized, know how wonderful she is at this stuff. I've been thinking that we need an acronym for her (a la SIQUOMB), and what popped into my head but SIDHE (She Is Definitely Hostess Extraordinaire), pronounced "she" and the Irish word for female spirit. Banshee (Wow! A Joni STAS connection!) is the anglicized Bean Sidhe, BTW. Any other ideas? ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 16:17:43 -0700 (PDT) From: zapuppy2@webtv.net (Penny) Subject: Re: SIQUOMB/SIDHE Steve Dulson wrote: Hello all! Those of you who have experienced any of the jmdl get- togethers at the Kakkishack, or any of the events that Kakki has organized, know how wonderful she is at this stuff. I've been thinking that we need an acronym for her (a la SIQUOMB), and what popped into my head but SIDHE (She Is Definitely Hostess Extraordinaire), pronounced "she" and the Irish word for female spirit. Any other ideas? HA HA HA. Considering she sounds like the energizer bunny when there's options for what all could be done and squeezed into 'x' amount of time, plus all her similarities to our own Joan, I nominate SIQUOBE. (She Is Queen Undisputed Of Boundary Extentions.) Kakki, do you *ever* sleep? ;-) Smiles Penny ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 20:46:09 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Lily, Joni, ice-cream, smokin' In a message dated 7/20/1999 2:50:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, dgrowe227@yahoo.com writes: << And like all good novelties, the timing of "Smokin" is perfect. Sure it's a novelty, so it ought to be over just about the time you "get it". And it does just that. >> This may be true but in MHO, I think it is still annoying! But like I said I do like Ethiopia....now that song is deep and thought provoking. When ever I listen to that song I almost cry but get angry instead. She certainly knows how to get the emotions going in all of us! Catgirl Your top soil flies away..Ethiopia We pump ours full of poison spray....Ethiopia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 20 Jul 1999 22:01:28 PDT From: "Chad Burkhart" Subject: kind words from Heather Heather, Thanks for the kind words about my signature file. I decided some time ago when I was listening to STAS (even though I still think it's Joni Mitchell but STAS sounds much better so I guess I've changed my mind). I thought that the lines from Michael From Mountains was a fitting tag at the end of an e-mail for friends and friends to be. We can learn so much more about everyone, even those that are closest to us and I thought it would be nice to add those words. Joni's songs make me happy on a daily basis (I have around 16 albums although I have yet to really count them but I am missing some good ones like DJRD, CMIARS, DED...although I am fearful of it from what some people on the list [and my girlfriend] are saying about it, WTRF, and all of the tape trees that are out there that someday I may get my hands on) and I thought why not share them with those that are not so aquainted with her music as those on this list. Cheers! Yours always, Chadly From Mountains ICQ = 41775889 Go where you will go to Know that I will know you Someday I may know you very well ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #126 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! 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