From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #122 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, July 17 1999 Volume 01 : Number 122 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- UK JMDL meeting ["Phil Klein" ] Paved Paradise Book ["Paul Castle" ] Re: UK JMDL meeting [catman ] Re: UK JMDL meeting [Howard Wright ] Marcie - Where is she now? ["Paul Castle" ] Re: Joni's Standard's "To Go" [RMuRocks@aol.com] Taming the Tiger - Joni's version of 'Cats'? ["Paul Castle" ] JM in RS ["Reuben Bell3" ] Re: Taming the Tiger - Joni's version of 'Cats'? ["Mark or Travis" ] Guitar, electronic tuner ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Taming the Tiger - Joni's version of 'Cats'? [Ginamu@aol.com] Gorsky & the moon ["Catherine McKay" ] Cats ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Parody (no warnings) ["Jennifer L. Nodine" ] Re: Paved Paradise Book [SMEBD@aol.com] UK JoniFesters unite [Les Irvin ] guitar stuff [Jenaya Dawe ] New midi file ["Ken (Slarty)" ] Re: dog eat dog, and '80s joni again [pam tompkins ] Re: Guitars (SJC) [AzeemAK@aol.com] Re: Gorsky & the moon [AzeemAK@aol.com] A Wizard A true Star??? [michael paz ] Re: A Wizard A true Star??? [RMuRocks@aol.com] VG-8 and Parker Guitars [Michael Paz ] Re: VG-8 and Parker Guitars [Mark Domyancich ] A Joni Moment today [Brian Gross ] The Hinton Biog. ["John Low" ] Re: The Hinton Biog. ["Kakki" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:40:15 GMT From: "Phil Klein" Subject: UK JMDL meeting Krys and Geoff wrote: > In message , Howard Wright writes > >Put me down as a definite maybe ;-) > >A weekend would definitely suit me better. I'd be happy to bring a guitar > >to strum and a bottle of malt whisky to share. > > I can bring a guitar but can't play yet! Though I do sing. > > > >Not sure how far it is from Worcester to Colin's place, but I think it > >should be easy enough by train. > > Welcome to the Midlands! Worcester to March ought to be fairly easy by > train I think. Have a save and happy move. > > Love and peace, > Krys XXXX > I'd be happy to bring a guitar as well. Hmm, I don't suppose Howard could be persuaded to bring his VG8?? If so, I could bring my leccy guitar as well, if I can successfully negotiate the car. But before we turn the whole thing into a Joni jam session, let's ask Colin what he would like the meet to be about - maybe he doesn't want people wailing and strumming in his house all weekend! It's his bash, after all. Phil ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:51:29 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Paved Paradise Book I recently saw an advert in a British magazine for a book called 'Paved Paradise'. The cover picture appears to be a drawing of Joni wearing a black Tina Turner-style wig. Does anyone on the list know anything about this? - going to the publisher's website at http://www.dmac.co.uk/agenda.html I found this blurb: JONI MITCHELL, PAVED PARADISE. Joni rose to fame in the sixties with beautiful albums such as 'Ladies of the Canyon' and 'Clouds'. Joni is also a painter and in recent years she has devoted more time to art and has become a sought-after artist. Many of her albums have displayed her artwork and she won an award for her design of her compact disc booklet for 'Turbulent Indigo'. She wrote the song for Woodstock but was not present at the Festival of Love. Joni has used her lyrics to speak to ex-lovers, her parents, new lovers, and her child that was adopted. Some of the songs are extremely personal, exorcising many ghosts. Joni's officially released albums are evaluated in this track-by-track analysis. She joins Leonard Cohen, Neil Young, and Gordon Lightfoot as one of the greatest Canadian singer songwriters of the modern generation. Her love of folk music merged into jazz and then rock 'n' roll, at all times her lyrics have been thought provoking, after all she has seen the World from both sides now! JONI MITCHELL, PAVED PARADISE ISBN 1 899882 855 Paperback 210 x 150mm PRICE £6.99 Personally, this blurb and (what looks like) its truly awful cover doesn't exactly inspire me to rush out and buy a copy - unless someone on the JMDL can recommend -- ? -- PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:53:06 +0100 From: catman Subject: Re: UK JMDL meeting I am too ill right now to think clearly. of course people can bring guitars etc. But if people were planning to stay the weekrnd thy should know I only have one bed and two upstaris rooms belong to cats. it seems I don't have colic after all but food poisoning. I have never been this ill. Had to rush martha dog to vet this morning too. she is very very ill. i feel like crap. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:53:51 +0100 (BST) From: Howard Wright Subject: Re: UK JMDL meeting > > Howard Wright writes > > > > > >Put me down as a definite maybe ;-) > > >A weekend would definitely suit me better. I'd be happy to bring a guitar > > >to strum and a bottle of malt whisky to share. > > Krys wrote: > > I can bring a guitar but can't play yet! Though I do sing. > > > > Love and peace, > > Krys XXXX > > Phil Klein wrote: > > I'd be happy to bring a guitar as well. Hmm, I don't suppose Howard > could be persuaded to bring his VG8?? If so, I could bring my leccy > guitar as well, if I can successfully negotiate the car. But before > we turn the whole thing into a Joni jam session, let's ask Colin > what he would like the meet to be about - maybe he doesn't want > people wailing and strumming in his house all weekend! It's his bash, > after all. > > Phil I wish I could bring my VG8, but ... I don't have one! If I bring anything it will be my acoustic guitar. And you're right, we shouldn't swamp the place with guitars before checking what Colin and everyone else feels about it. I think some playing and singing would probably go down well, but we shouldn't let the guitars take over the evening. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:54:00 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Marcie - Where is she now? When visiting London back in September 1968, Joni was interviewed by Karl Dallas in Melody Maker. "My lyrics are influenced by Leonard [Cohen]," she admits. "We never knew each other in Canada, but after we met at Newport last year we saw a lot of each other. My song 'Marcie,' has a lot of him in it, and some of Leonard's religious imagery, which comes from being a Jew in a predominantly Catholic, seems to have rubbed off on me, too. 'Marcie' is about a girl waiting for a letter that never comes, who walks out of the last verse to go west again. Is Marcie Joni? "I suppose so, really. Marcie is a real girl, she lives in London. I used her name, because I wanted a two-syllable name. But I'm the girl in all these songs." _________ Does Marcie still live in London, I wonder? Does she know? Does she lurk? Or did she go west again, to Bristol or to Bath, maybe? PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 08:13:22 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: Joni's Standard's "To Go" Penny said: << But I don't see much similarity between the crowd that Dylan brought in, acting very disrespectful to our Joan at times, and the music lovers that would be going to hear Lyle or Harry Jr, along with Joni. >> Nor do I, which is why I said she could do a lot worse than tour with these guys. << I could see Joni gaining many new, younger? fans in a tour like that. The thought of seeing her solo isn't bad, mind you, but I don't know about doing a standards tour solo. Personally though, I think I still prefer the notion of hearing her with a full symphony. Ooooooohhh!!! >> Those kind of full orchestra tours are VERY cost-prohibitive; my fear is that Reprise would never agree to front the money given Joni's disappointing sales numbers. And come to think of it, "Oooooooohhh!!!" was the exact word I used when I heard Joni's voice come in to that "Stormy Weather" lead-in... :~) Bob NP: Tori, "Pandora's Aquarium" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:32:35 +0100 From: "Paul Castle" Subject: Taming the Tiger - Joni's version of 'Cats'? Mark mark-n-travis@worldnet.att.net wrote (in his just purrrfect TTT analysis) >And finally 'Here's to You' ..... > Wait a minute. The last track on my copy of TTT is 'Tiger Bones' - did you miss it or is the US version different? PaulC ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:49:42 +0100 From: Krys & Geoff Subject: Re: UK JMDL meeting In message , Howard Wright writes >I wish I could bring my VG8, but ... I don't have one! If I bring anything >it will be my acoustic guitar. And you're right, we shouldn't swamp the >place with guitars before checking what Colin and everyone else feels >about it. I think some playing and singing would probably go down well, >but we shouldn't let the guitars take over the evening. > Good point. I won't bring mine because I can't play it yet and it would be a waste of space. I'll stick to singing. BTW, if I've missed anything about dates can someone e-mail me please? My PC has been rejecting occasional mails on/off the past week. :( Can I drag my partner Geoff along? I am trying to train him to like Joni; I played For The Roses last night and he stayed in the room the whole time. Verdict: "I quite liked that one." It may be working.... :) Love and peace, ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:20:58 -0400 From: "Reuben Bell3" Subject: JM in RS There is a rather snitty reference to Joni in the August 6th issue of Rolling Stone (with Ricky Martin on the cover). Its a sidebar on the "VH1 50 Women of Rock" thing, and the author raves about how everyone has behaved themselves in regards to the project. Its mentioned that no one stepped on anyone to get to the top "Not even Madonna." And "No one acts pretentious. Not even Joni Mitchell." I thought it was funny...it was fairly tongue-in-cheek, but I like the idea that everyone has become resigned to the fact that Joni won't play the game. Reuben ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 06:35:30 -0700 From: "Mark or Travis" Subject: Re: Taming the Tiger - Joni's version of 'Cats'? > > >And finally 'Here's to You' ..... > > > Wait a minute. The last track on my copy of TTT is 'Tiger Bones' - did you > miss it or is the US version different? > > PaulC > Well pull my whiskers & call me Sylvster! I plumb forgot Tiger Bones! Mark in Seattle choking on a furball at the moment at his gross oversight! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:40:06 -0400 From: Janene Otten Subject: Guitars (SJC) On the subject of inexpensive guitars for a beginner, I think the Yamahas are very comfortable for someone who doesn't quite have dexterity yet. Yamaha instruments, in general, have a bright sound. The Yamahas have a nice sound but if you're used to hearing a darker 12 string, a Martin, for example, then the Yamahas may sound tinny (sp?). Anyway, I started on a Fender and the sound is great. Most people who played that guitar said that they loved the sound. The neck was a bit wide which made it easier for me to play electric guitars. On the subject of Joni pairings, I don't really think that Bob & Joni were mismatched at all. Maybe it has to do with living in NYC because I found that most of the people I meet here that love Joni also love Dylan and Bob has also been playing songs that he considers standards. Like when he played The Times We've Known by Charles Aznevour on last the tour last fall. I do think it would be great to pair Joni with some up and coming artist. Someone mentioned Aimee Mann or maybe someone like DeeDee Bridgewater. Her last album, Dear Ella, is fantastic. On another note, I saw Richie Havens last night and anyone planning on going to Bethel can see many Woodstock `69 artists on August 15th. Richie told me that they're "trying to get all the people from the original festival to play that day, the ones that are still alive!" I don't think Joni will perform there again but "one never knows, do one?" BTW, my sister-in-law is from the Midlands and now lives in Surrey with my brother but when I come over in the fall, I'd love to meet some of you and have a pint or two! Take care all. Janene np: Marvin Gaye: What's Going On ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:41:17 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Guitar, electronic tuner My first impulse was to say that the electronic tuners work very well. They're tuned to an A, so you have to tune your A string to it, then work from there to capture the tunings for the other strings by fretting at the proper place. However, you really have to be able to hear the vibrations on both the tuner and your string in order to know whether you're really right on the note and that takes some time to get used to. For that reason, the tuning fork may be a better idea - if you're right in tune, your string will vibrate in sympathy with the tuning fork and it's easier to detect than with the electronic thingy. If you can afford it, take at least a few lessons from a good guitar teacher. At the very least, go into a good music store (where they sell guitars!) and ask a lot of questions. If they're any good, they'll be only too happy to help you out. It is possible to teach yourself guitar, but it would probably go much faster with the help of a good teacher. They don't smack people over the hands anymore for making mistakes;} cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:43:21 EDT From: Ginamu@aol.com Subject: Re: Taming the Tiger - Joni's version of 'Cats'? In a message dated 7/16/99 9:38:38 AM Eastern Daylight Time, mark-n-travis@worldnet.att.net writes: > Well pull my whiskers & call me Sylvster! I plumb forgot Tiger Bones! > > Mark in Seattle choking on a furball at the moment at his gross > oversight! I find myself forgetting it too sometimes because of the long paws...uuuh...I mean pause, before it. Take care, Gina ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:02:48 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Gorsky & the moon Loved the Gorsky story. Hmm, I had a Mrs Gorsky as a teacher once. Could it be the same one? Nah. Since you mention moon-landings and so on, there is a Joni tie-in. She makes many references in her music to the moon. Some of them are optimistic, others far from. Lots of references to the fact that man's landing on the moon is a sort of defilement, e.g. >He stood looking through the lace >at the face of the trampled moon >Snakes and snails and puppy tails >Are wagging in the womb >Beneath the trampled moon >Don't interrupt the sorrow >Darn right >He says "We walked on the moon >You be polite" cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 14:07:20 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: Cats Thank you for sharing that. My cats, Emily (aka Smudge) and Charlotte (aka HuncaMunca) loved it too. They are grinning big kitty grins. cateri@hotmail.com ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 10:57:04 -0400 From: "Jennifer L. Nodine" Subject: Re: Parody (no warnings) Thanks, greatfuldave for the parody. It's sad to think that a life like that is reality for so many young people today. Thanks again for reminding me how good I have it. - -Jenny CT np nothing ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:12:30 EDT From: SMEBD@aol.com Subject: Re: Paved Paradise Book In a message dated 7/16/1999 6:53:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, pdcmusic@freeuk.com writes: << I recently saw an advert in a British magazine for a book called 'Paved Paradise'. The cover picture appears to be a drawing of Joni wearing a black Tina Turner-style wig. Does anyone on the list know anything about this? - >> This is a VERY CHEESY book in which the author "analyzes" each track on Joni's albums--some of the takes on the songs are really quite funny. SAVE YOUR MONEY! Stephen ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:59:22 -0600 From: Les Irvin Subject: UK JoniFesters unite Joniphiles - A mailing list has been set up for those of you interested in the UK JoniFest. Go to http://www.jmdl.com/lists for more details and to sign up. Les ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:11:04 -0700 From: Jenaya Dawe Subject: guitar stuff I've also been shopping for a guitar (I played a tiny bit in Jr. High, but am ready to committ myself to truly learning this time). I've checked out a bunch of Yamahas, and, at least the less expensive ones seem a bit tinny. I found an Ibanez that I really like, anyone else play one of these? jen... who found the guitar she *REALLY* wants, but doesn't have a spare grand layin around. :-) Jenaya H. Dawe PlayNetwork, Inc. 215 8th Ave North Seattle, WA 98109 206.624.2444 - vox 888.567.PLAY 206.624.2444 - fax http://www.playnetwork.com "The conformity factory is now closed!" ~Homer Simpson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 13:59:49 -0400 From: "Ken (Slarty)" Subject: New midi file Thanks to fellow Mitchellidian, Gerald Hillman, I have a new midi file on my midi page - Not to Blame. http://www.total.net/~slarty/midi.htm Also accessible through Wally's site at http://www.jonimitchell.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:35:10 -0400 (EDT) From: pam tompkins Subject: Re: dog eat dog, and '80s joni again What a waste of time and energy this entire stream has been. I read my emails backwards, just to be different...and who gives a )(*&@#$) about punctuation. How snobby do you really have to be to live? - --- Bounced Message wrote: > Date: Wed, 14 Jul 1999 18:11:49 +0100 > From: Martin Giles > > shawn streamed... > people who think she > can do no wrong well she like any artist has put out > her share of stink > bombs. To me its so personal how can you guys just > talk and talk take > it for what it is or means to you. Dont worship the > ground she walks > on, strive to be a light as bright as her. Remember > every picture has > its shadows.> > > but i do worship her i'm nothing without her i am > just a shadow and she > is the light i am only a bit of crumbled tape > accidentally stuck to the > back of the painting of her life i kiss the ground > she walks on or i > would if she came over to the uk again i live her > music breath her music > she is turbulent indigo i am a thousand times washed > beige i am not > worthy to even listen to her music i feel guilty > every time i hear her > songs i am only a soon to be mopped up muddy smudge > in a cold water rest > room once brifly visited by > her.....ggllmmmnnoooogrphfff > > _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:25:39 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Guitars (SJC) In a message dated 16/07/99 14:41:43 GMT Daylight Time, JaneneO@mji.com writes: << BTW, my sister-in-law is from the Midlands and now lives in Surrey with my brother but when I come over in the fall, I'd love to meet some of you and have a pint or two! Take care all. Janene >> I hope so, Janene - and indeed welcome to the list (if you're new) or congratulations (if you've just de-lurked). Are your bro and sis-in-law Joni fans too? Azeem in London ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 18:25:40 EDT From: AzeemAK@aol.com Subject: Re: Gorsky & the moon In a message dated 16/07/99 15:04:29 GMT Daylight Time, cateri@hotmail.com writes: << Since you mention moon-landings and so on, there is a Joni tie-in. She makes many references in her music to the moon. >> Indeed she does, my favourite one being in "Refuge of the Roads", the most brilliant moon/June rhyme EVER! In a highway service station Over the month of June Was a photograph of the earth Taken coming back from the moon Second best for me would be Prince's Sign O' the Times: Little sister killed her baby 'cos she couldn't afford to feed her Yet we're sending people to the moon September my cousin tried reefer for the very first time Now he's doing horse - it's June Azeem in London np: Suzanne Vega's first, on vinyl! I really felt like playing a record, and it sounds great! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 11:33:27 +0000 From: michael paz Subject: A Wizard A true Star??? Jerry wrote: "np: Joni with Todd Rundgren" Jerry, Joni with Todd Jerry, Joni? Huh have I been asleep? What is that? Michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:08:50 EDT From: RMuRocks@aol.com Subject: Re: A Wizard A true Star??? In a message dated 7/16/99 6:04:45 PM Central Daylight Time, michaelpaz@worldnet.att.net writes: << Jerry, Joni with Todd Jerry, Joni? Huh have I been asleep? What is that? >> I assumed it was the TT interview "The Difference"... Bob NP: ZZ Top, "Old Man" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:24:20 -0500 From: Michael Paz Subject: VG-8 and Parker Guitars Hello Listers and VG-8 Enthusiasts in particular, I had a wonderful and long conversation with the man behind the Parker Guitar, Ken Parker. It turns out that he is a Joni fan and his place is very near by Topsfield, Ma. and Joni Fest 99. I called him because I had been talking to their A/R guy about getting one for myself, but I have been waiting for them to do one with the Roland GK-2 pick-up installed in the Concert Fly guitar. As it turns out, they are still procrastinating about doing that because obviously it will cost alot of money to do the project for a market that is just NOT very big. One big Boo-Hoo! I would like to know how many people on the list a) own a VG-8 system, b) what kind of guitar you have the pick up mounted on, and c) would be interested in a Parker with a GK system built in??? I really enjoyed my talk with him and hope to be able to meet him in person and get to know him a little more. He told me how much he appreciated Walecki getting him in touch with Joan and how deeply he feels about the association, her music, and all. I told him about the list and the page and he was very interested about it and I think he may join our happy group (He could be reading this right now). I am planning to get in touch with them before Joni fest and see if it would be possible to go tour the factory. I would love that. He also told me that he has another guitar ready for Joni and he has made some improvements for her. Her response was she couldn't imagine what he could do to it to make it any better. I'd love to check that one out, I just love the way their guitars play and feel and through my VG system, I can imagine how much time I would spend right here in the studio. Right now I am considering just purchasing the Concert Fly (maybe with some custom finish with Joni art on it or something) and adapting the pick up on myself. I have some ideas of how to mount the big ugly Roland volume wart on the strap instead of the guitar. Sorry for the long post, but I thought many of you VG types would find this interesting. Peace, Michael (praying everyone will get a VG-8 for Christmas this year and Parker will develop the ConcertListFly Guitar exclusively built for JMDL folks) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:45:06 -0500 From: Mark Domyancich Subject: Re: VG-8 and Parker Guitars I don't have one, but maybe he can give a few away to the transcribers on this list! :O (After all the work we've done!!!!!!) At 8:24 PM -0500 7/16/99, Michael Paz wrote: >I would like to know how many people on the list a) own a VG-8 >system, b) what kind of guitar you have the pick up mounted on, and c) >would be interested in a Parker with a GK system built in??? ____________________________ | Mark Domyancich | | Harpua@revealed.net | | home.revealed.net/Harpua | |__________________________| ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 20:19:11 -0700 (PDT) From: Brian Gross Subject: A Joni Moment today Joni moments tend to occur when least we expect them, don’t they? Today, while being driven all over the Arizona desert by an associate, we had a hotel to visit in Lake Havasu City. As we drove across the original London Bridge which is now located there, Joni’s rendition of her London Bridge Song popped into my head. It is among those unreleased goodies from the 60’s performances at the Second Fret in my hometown of Philadelphia. “London Bridge is falling up Say the tea leaves in my cup...” Take care everyone, Brian, headed back to NJ from a trip that included 5 of the best days and nights of my whole life :-)) np: the non-stop chatter at Gate B13 in the Phoenix airport === "No paper thin walls No folks above No one else can hear the crazy cries of love" yeah, right _________________________________________________________ DO YOU YAHOO!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 21:50:27 PDT From: "John Low" Subject: The Hinton Biog. Many thanks to Deb Messling and Paul I. for responding to my inquiry about the Hinton biography. I'm grateful for your thoughts. Yes, his total reliance on secondary sources and his failure to say why he didn’t (apparently) seek the involvement of Joni herself or those privately and professionally close to her, is disappointing. (Or, did she refuse involvement?) And, I agree that, for those who are well read in the magazine literature, the book would probably be lacking in new insights. However, does this necessarily make the biography a ‘write-off’? Don’t you think that, for anyone new to JM or wanting a concise overview of her life and music, the book serves a useful purpose? Let’s face it, there is nothing else readily available. For new insights, I guess we will have to wait for the autobiography. As for Hinton’s subjective and sometimes unusual ('goofy'- great word) reflections on Joni’s songs - they are just that, subjective opinions that can be accepted or rejected! Music criticism is full of these. I’m actually quite enjoying them, even while I’m disagreeing! And, I like the way he draws parallels with and makes comparisons to the work of other musicians and writers. Again, I don’t always agree with him but I enjoy the ‘thought roads’ they sometimes lead me down. Oh well, I suppose I must be in the minority on this! John. PS. Jim H., I haven't come to the part yet where Joni is "celabate (sic) since 1967" (Thurs. 15 July, Digest 311). I'll look out for that one! ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 22:07:22 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: The Hinton Biog. John, you are not in the minority. After reading many negative reviews here, I was not going to buy it but after glancing at it (on sale) at the book store, I figured that it was at least worth the photos. Once I started reading it, I was far more impressed than anticipated. I did see it as mostly a compilation of several years of articles and reviews, but that in itself has some value to me - to sort of all have them summarized in one place. You wrote: >As for Hinton's subjective and sometimes unusual ('goofy'- great word) >reflections on Joni's songs - they are just that, subjective opinions that >can be accepted or rejected! Music criticism is full of these. I agree - and it would not be the first time an author's personal slant was revealed in a biography. Ulltimately, it seemed apparent to me that Hinton meant well and revered his subject. We may never see a truly definitive biography on Joni - supposedly her own anticipated "autobiography" is going to take more the form of a collection of anecdotal stories from her life. >PS. Jim H., I haven't come to the part yet where Joni is "celabate (sic) >since 1967" (Thurs. 15 July, Digest 311). I'll look out for that one! Ha! I don't recall that one. Perhaps Jim is being a kidder? ;-) Jim, what page may we find this one on? Kakki ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #122 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?