From: les@jmdl.com (onlyJMDL Digest) To: onlyjoni-digest@smoe.org Subject: onlyJMDL Digest V1 #112 Reply-To: joni@smoe.org Sender: les@jmdl.com Errors-To: les@jmdl.com Precedence: bulk onlyJMDL Digest Saturday, July 10 1999 Volume 01 : Number 112 The Laborday JoniFest is happening this fall! For information: send a message to Join the mailing list at: ------- The Official Joni Mitchell Homepage is maintained by Wally Breese at http://www.jonimitchell.com and contains the latest news, a detailed bio, original interviews and essays, lyrics, and much more. ------- The JMDL website can be found at http://www.jmdl.com and contains interviews, articles, the member gallery, archives, and much more. ========== TOPICS and authors in this Digest: -------- [none] [Steve Dulson ] Stormy weather [Steve Dulson ] Re: STAS vinyl variations ["Kakki" ] Bay Area Joni get together (SJC) [DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us] Re: STAS vinyl variations [Heather Galli ] fallflowers ["Catherine McKay" ] Re: Furry Sings, Dogs Bark & Larry Fights Back [Don Rowe ] RE: fallflowers ["Wally Kairuz" ] Re: Clouds lyrics question [CaTGirl627@aol.com] Re: Barking Mad? [lisa durfee ] Re: Shipping to Europe; the agelessness of music [Dflahm@aol.com] RE: Bay Area Joni get together (SJC) ["patrick leader" ] Re: Joni's Jazz... excellent, dude ["Kakki" ] Joni's Jazz [Ashara@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:22:00 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: [none] Dear Mr. Klein, >... or that plinkety-plink hammer dulcimer nonsense on >"Blue", christ, to this day that's nails on the Apparently the electronic goop you insist on feeding yourself and us has really eaten some brain cells, to the point that you no longer can tell the difference between a hammer dulcimer and one of the Appalachian/fretted/lap variety. I am sure that both those that play the former ("clangers") and the latter ("droners" - of which I am proud to be one) resent the confusion. At least you confessed about the perm.... ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:26:41 -0700 From: Steve Dulson Subject: Stormy weather First off, Jan (welcome fellow southern Californian!) asked: >By the way does anyone know if Joni is aware of this group? Yes, she is. And Wally reported: >Holly Cole was to have sung "Raised On Robbery" ...but... stormy weather >interfered with her flights from Canada for rehearsal She was bidding for a copy on e-bay, or what??? Trying to track down Randy Remote or Michael Paz? What's the deal here? ############################################################## Steve Dulson Costa Mesa CA steve@psitech.com "The Tinker's Own" *NEW* website at: http://www.tinkersown.com "Southern California Dulcimer Heritage" http://members.aol.com/scdulcimer/ "The Living Tradition Concert Series" (Website soon!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:08:11 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: STAS vinyl variations Martin wrote: > It's not only the state of the source tapes and the manufacturing that > can affect the sound, but crucially, what happened in the cut. One > option is to cut the tape 'flat', i.e. to make no alterations in the > sound of the tape. Alternatively, a cutting engineer may be able to > improve the overall sound in a number of ways. (If he's not very good, > he can make things worse.) The cutting engineer has to weigh up all the pros and cons to > arrive at the best solution. Two different cutting engineers, two > different solutions. Hence the different look and sound or your two > versions of STAS for instance. By the way, I'm not a nerd, (really), I'm a cutting engineer! Martin, this is all very fascinating to me. Thanks for providing information that is rarely known. I'm glad to know it wasn't my imagination or wishful thinking in hearing something significantly finer in the '74 reissue. It makes me wonder if Crosby and/or Joni realize that there are actually some improved copies of STAS vinyl out there. They've both (especially Crosby) fretted about the whole thing being distorted in the end product. I always thought the distortion was deliberate and kind of liked it. Several other music releases at that time had elements of "distortion" and it seemed to be a certain style of sound that had some popularity in the late 60s. I think of some of the psychedelica and other music that actually sounded like it was recorded in the garage. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 13:38:24 -0700 From: DARICEM@sfpl.lib.ca.us Subject: Bay Area Joni get together (SJC) Our list member Trey and I are trying to plan a late July-early August Joni-get-together. Anyone else interested?...email me privately. Darice ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 16:51:00 -0500 From: Heather Galli Subject: Re: STAS vinyl variations Martin - I also found this very interesting. I learn something new here all the time :-) > Kakki wrote: <> I always thought the distortion was deliberate and kind of liked >it. Several other music releases at that time had elements of "distortion" >and it seemed to be a certain style of sound that had some popularity in the >late 60s. I think of some of the psychedelica and other music that actually >sounded like it was recorded in the garage. I always thought it was a "sign of the times" when I listen to recordings from the late 60's and even early 70's. Some of Laura Nyro's early songs have a little distortion to them also. In a way, it's part of the uniqueness of listening to those songs. Thank heavens for progress in the music business, though! Heather ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 20:54:35 GMT From: "Catherine McKay" Subject: fallflowers Pat asked, >btw, does anyone else wonder if there even *are* such things as 'fall >flowers'?!?!? Asters, my dear. Asters and mums. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 14:21:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Rowe Subject: Re: Furry Sings, Dogs Bark & Larry Fights Back - --- Steve Dulson wrote: > Dear Mr. Klein, > > Apparently the electronic goop you insist on feeding > yourself and > us has really eaten some brain cells, to the point > that you no > longer can tell the difference between a hammer > dulcimer and one of > the Appalachian/fretted/lap variety. I am sure that > both those that > play the former ("clangers") and the latter > ("droners" - of which I > am proud to be one) resent the confusion. > > At least you confessed about the perm.... > My sincerest apologies ... god forbid I should confuse clangers and droners. But mother always warned me there'd be days like these ... Larry K. (alias Don Rowe) n.p. "Nothing Can Be Done" -- on twin new Marshalls that go up to 25, looped into dual-channel Aphex Aural Exciters. Take that you droners and clangers! _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 17:44:00 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: STAS vinyl variations In a message dated 7/9/1999 1:29:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time, tech@cts-lansdowne.co.uk writes: << It's not only the state of the source tapes and the manufacturing that can affect the sound, but crucially, what happened in the cut. One option is to cut the tape 'flat', i.e. to make no alterations in the sound of the tape. Alternatively, a cutting engineer may be able to improve the overall sound in a number of ways. (If he's not very good, he can make things worse.) >> Then what makes a JAPANESE pressings so much better? I have 4 and they sound amazingly like a CD but not digital so much smoother. Catgirl...inquiring cats want to know. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 15:52:35 -0700 From: "Gene Mock" Subject: Re: Clouds lyrics question I think she is referring to flowers that bloom in the Fall season and yes indeed, there are some flowers that do bloom in the Fall. Hope all is well. - ----- Original Message ----- From: P. Henry To: Cc: Sent: Friday, July 09, 1999 10:17 AM Subject: Re: Clouds lyrics question > From: CaTGirl627@aol.com > > >In the songbook *Joni Mitchell Complete Vol. 1* it says.....Braiding fall flowers and leaves in my hair. AND, In the songbook * The Music of Joni Mitchell* from 1969, it says: Braiding fall flowers and leaves in my hair...> > > btw, does anyone else wonder if there even *are* such things as 'fall flowers'?!?!? > > pat > > > Angelfire for your free web-based e-mail. http://www.angelfire.com > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 20:36:01 -0300 From: "Wally Kairuz" Subject: RE: fallflowers >Pat asked, >>btw, does anyone else wonder if there even *are* such things as 'fall >>flowers'?!?!? what about cyclamen? they thrive here, especially after the first frosts. though they would be pretty hard to braid in your hair, unless you remove the bulbs. wallyk, np iris dement, let the mystery be ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:40:43 EDT From: CaTGirl627@aol.com Subject: Re: Clouds lyrics question In a message dated 7/9/1999 7:15:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time, gmock@psyber.com writes: << I think she is referring to flowers that bloom in the Fall season and yes indeed, there are some flowers that do bloom in the Fall. Hope all is well. >> But the correct words are not FALL flowers. We just discussed this a few weeks ago. It is wildflowers. If you listen carefully on the CD you can hear her say wildflowers. I never knew this until recently myself. Catgirl...saying the wrong word for the last 20 years!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Jul 1999 23:39:15 -0400 From: lisa durfee Subject: Re: Barking Mad? Jason Maloney wrote: > Uh-oh....time to call in the pro-DED gang again ;-) Don??? DON?????? > > DED - ....... I too would be very > intruiged to hear how the songs originally sounded with just Joni and no > "interior decorating" :-) I havent been able to confirm whether something I taped off of WNEW radio in NYC around 1985 when DED came out is on the Tape Trees or not. Its Joni singing 'The Three Great Stimulants' with just a (borrowed) guitar. It's quite wonderful, but I missed the beginning of the song sinse I didnt have a tape in the player when I turned on the radio and realized she was live on the air.If its not on the tape trees I would like to dig it up and share it with the list. Hope I can find it. pro-DED liså Durfee ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:43:52 EDT From: Dflahm@aol.com Subject: Re: Shipping to Europe; the agelessness of music Hello, Catherine. I thinks it's precisely because we assume that great poetry is spontaneous in a large degree that we invest ourselves in trying to be open to it. I agree that much, even most discussion of poetry is exasperating. ONCE IN A WHILE, however, a commentator will ephasize the sensual enjoyment that poetry can offer and her/his insights can be enlightening and fun to read. I particularly reccomend THE LIVES of the MODERN POETS by William H. Pritchard. I return again and again to his chapters on Hardy, Yeats, Frost, Robinson, Eliot, and Stevens. There are also chapters on some whose work is less familiar to me: Crane, Williams and Pound. I think all who write about JM's songs in an interpretive way do so because they are moved and fascinated with her really startling originality. I've never read any post that conveyed the idea that its interpretation was more significant than the art it was responding to. Richard Rodgers was another great individualist among songwriters; he truly found his own language, especially after he teamed up with Oscar Hammerstein II in 1943. DAVID LAHM ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 23:57:07 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Bay Area Joni get together (SJC) darice, i hope you are well. i wish i could be there. may i recommend the excellent french bistrot, 'pastis', near levi strauss plaza? darice has eaten there, you both have met my lovely sister-bartender, and the food rocks. patrick np - cesaria evora > >Our list member Trey and I are trying to plan a late July-early August >Joni-get-together. >Anyone else interested?...email me privately. >Darice > ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:07:15 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: joni's jazz, thoughts from jane siberry (jc) jane's website has a 'tour-diary' section that has a couple of comments and questions from jane fans written after the concert. one fan asked her about the process of preparing; she replied: They picked the songs. I wasn't that familiar with that era of her writing. (Court and Spark, Hissing of Summer Lawns, Hejira). I had not listened to her for quite a long time, because when I was starting to write, I felt I was being programmed too strongly and had to break away to hear my own muse. So listening to the songs as I was trying to learn them was strange. Her rhythms, phrasing, sound of her voice running through my head all the time, bringing back memories. And affecting my body, how I walked. Well, I'm not sure but that's how it felt. Joni sitting in the audience. Looking beautiful. Girl tough, easy-going, grit, parties, smoking. Don Freed beside her, intense, elbows on knees. (Don one of Canada's finest documenters of the human condition. Now travelling from small town to small town in northern Saskatchewan. Getting exasperated when the students sit there in his songwriting workshops saying nothing. Then he's about to leave. Then one speaks. That's more like it! he yells. I've heard him yell, too. Would scare the bee-jesus out of you. And then the class takes off and songs are written and sung like no one could but them. A window opens for safety for a few young people.) Raining right up until the concert. But temperature is 90. So rain is sweet. Share trailer with other women. Examine each other's clothes and makeup. Talk about our grandmother's fortés, talents. Ten talents of gold. A joy playing with other musicians. Fine, listening. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:26:07 EDT From: TerryM2442@aol.com Subject: Re: joni's jazz, thoughts from jane siberry (jc) In a message dated 7/10/99 12:09:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, trxschwa@bway.net writes: << Don Freed beside her >> How'd we miss that, gang?? Terry ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:27:26 -0400 From: "patrick leader" Subject: RE: Joni's Jazz... excellent, dude kakki wrote >Also wanted to share that Patrick's excellent report was >cross-posted you know, wally called the report 'excellent' when i submitted it. jerome harris, in his cool note, mentioned 'patrick's excellent report'. i think i brainwashed you all by referring to m. kapilian's intro as, not once, but twice, 'his excellent opening speech'. oh, mr. thesaurus, why have you forsaken me? wally, thank you so much for forwarding the comments. danny kapilian is a man who completely deserves to be on a high for this one; i've been loving and reliving the memory all week. at least couple of jmdlers will be at the prince-1999 tribute in december, too, danny. just so you know... and please forward my thanks to jerome harris for his info on doug weiselman's e-flat clarinet. this is exactly what i wanted to know. the sound of weiselman and don byron weaving those two instruments together is yet another incredible soundsnap from my memories of the show. patrick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Jul 1999 21:22:31 -0700 From: "Kakki" Subject: Re: Joni's Jazz... excellent, dude Patrick wrote: > you know, wally called the report 'excellent' when i submitted it. jerome > harris, in his cool note, mentioned 'patrick's excellent report'. i think i > brainwashed you all by referring to m. kapilian's intro as, not once, but > twice, 'his excellent opening speech'. oh, mr. thesaurus, why have you > forsaken me? I know, it's starting to sound like "Patrick's Excellent Adventure and Report." ;-) But sometimes there is no other suitable word, thesaurus or not, and in your case, "excellent" just fits so well! Echoing Terry, I was also surprised to hear about Donald (Freed not Trump) being in attendance! I liked hearing more background on him from Jane. Phyliss and I sat behind him one night of the tapings and yes, he did seem like a very intense and unique man. It's great to hear that he was there. Kakki ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Jul 1999 00:43:57 EDT From: Ashara@aol.com Subject: Joni's Jazz Just a quick thank you to all who posted about Joni's Jazz. I was so sad that I couldn't make it, even though it was so close. (I had a gig.) I really felt like I was there, though, from all the wonderful posts. THANK YOU!!! Oh.....BTW.......I would REALLY, REALLY feel like I was there if someone sent me a tape of it!! ;-) Hugs, Ashara ------------------------------ End of onlyJMDL Digest V1 #112 ****************************** The Song and Album Voting Booths are open! Cast your votes by clicking the links at http://www.jmdl.com/gallery username: jimdle password: siquomb ------- Don't forget about these ongoing projects: Glossary project: Send a blank message to for all the details. FAQ Project: Help compile the JMDL FAQ. Do you have mailing list-related questions? -send them to Trivia Project: Send your Joni trivia questions and/or answers to Today in History Project: Know of a date-specific Joni fact? - -send it to ------- Post messages to the list at Unsubscribe by sending "unsubscribe onlyjoni-digest" to ------- Siquomb, isn't she?